View Full Version : Who was more justified between Smith and Rock?
Redway
29-03-2022, 02:09 PM
Was Will Smith right to do what he did after Chris. said what he said about Jada or was it a huge overreaction on his part?
Well, Chris Rock did his job what he gets paid for and also responded very professionally after the attack.
Will Smith physically assaulted a comedien host at an awards show on live television.
So you can work out from that what I think.
Crimson Dynamo
29-03-2022, 02:17 PM
Smith is a spineless bully
GoldHeart
29-03-2022, 02:23 PM
I'm not picking either .
But Will Smith overeacted.
Cherie
29-03-2022, 02:44 PM
It was a pretty innocuous comment
Smith should be locked up.
Niamh.
29-03-2022, 02:47 PM
Will was 100% in the wrong and the more I watch it the more strongly I feel about that. I also think having watched it quite a few times now that Chris Rock might not have even known Jada had alopecia as he looked very confused about why Will was so angry. Either way you can't just hit someone like that
Toy Soldier
29-03-2022, 02:49 PM
I wouldn't say "equally" and violence is never justified, however I think the joke was massively ill-judged. That said I actually don't think that was intentional, he thought he was just doing a "basic roast" and hadn't given enough thought to the likely implications. Alopecia often has an underlying cause rooted in some extreme emotions/stress/trauma... but then, there's no reason Chris Rock should know that so the appropriate response would have been for Smith to let him know respectfully afterwards that it was not well received. Chris Rock could then have apologised (either publicly or privately).
Having typed that, I'd actually change to Chris Rock being more justified... as while the joke was poor / in poor taste, it's still "justified" to try to crack jokes in that presenting role (it's expected) and it being a BAD joke doesn't change that.
All this story has shown is that powerful actors still have the power they have over law and order hasnt changed since wienstiens arrest.
Toy Soldier
29-03-2022, 02:51 PM
Will was 100% in the wrong and the more I watch it the more strongly I feel about that. I also think having watched it quite a few times now that Chris Rock might not have even known Jada had alopecia as he looked very confused about why Will was so angry. Either way you can't just hit someone like that
He APPARENTLY did know, but as above, it doesn't necessarily mean he understands the condition or its likely causes, or the impact it can have on someone's confidence.
Toy Soldier
29-03-2022, 02:52 PM
All this story has shown is that powerful actors still have the power they have over law and order hasnt changed since wienstiens arrest.
With a slap like that they would only arrest him is Chris Rock wanted to press charges... it would be the same with any fight. What is questionable though is the response of security - in any other scenario, Will Smith would have been removed from the venue immediately.
Niamh.
29-03-2022, 02:53 PM
He APPARENTLY did know, but as above, it doesn't necessarily mean he understands the condition or its likely causes, or the impact it can have on someone's confidence.Well if he did it was a mean and lazy joke and I would have no issue with Will pulling him up on it but he hit him and that made Will 100% wrong and actually security should have been in there protecting Chris Rock
There is also the strong possibility that the joke was written for him, maybe by someone who knew it would create a scene. The academy would have surely gone through Rock's act before hand as this is a family show.
With a slap like that they would only arrest him is Chris Rock wanted to press charges... it would be the same with any fight. What is questionable though is the response of security - in any other scenario, Will Smith would have been removed from the venue immediately.
Especially with all that shouting...nobody even shushed him..noisy inconsiderate, and if rumour has it, one of the nastiest men In hollywood for anyone interviewing him.
What was the joke anyway?
I dont get the link with gi jayne and hairlessness
What was the joke anyway?
I dont get the link with gi jayne and hairlessnessDemi Moore had a skin head in the film G.I. Jane.
michael21
29-03-2022, 03:00 PM
Demi Moore had a skin head in the film G.I. Jane.
I think she got punk'd one day
I think he just saw her sat in the front row sporting a skin head and he made an on the spot reactionary joke about G.I. Jane. Smith laughed along then saw the reaction of his wife and from there the guy has totally lost the plot.
UserSince2005
29-03-2022, 03:03 PM
Both in the wrong. I'd say Will more so as the violence was just so over the top. This aint bad boys club.
The Slim Reaper
29-03-2022, 03:07 PM
I'm caught between a Rock and a marriage facade place :smug:
GoldHeart
29-03-2022, 03:10 PM
Wait did Chris Rock know about Jada's alopecia???? , I didn't think he knew.
If so then it's more insensitive for him to make that joke. But alopecia isn't life threatening like cancer , so unless Rock was just ignorant to the full condition still ?.
Rock did nothing wrong and infact he was very professional and should be applauded for that.
The security should be ashamed. Smith could have had a weapon on him for all they knew. He should have been kicked out of the venue.
Niamh.
29-03-2022, 03:14 PM
Wait did Chris Rock know about Jada's alopecia???? , I didn't think he knew.
If so then it's more insensitive for him to make that joke. But alopecia isn't life threatening like cancer , so unless Rock was just ignorant to the full condition still ?.Says in this article that he didn't know
https://pagesix.com/2022/03/28/chris-rock-reportedly-didnt-know-jada-pinkett-smith-has-alopecia/
I mean did you know? How many people posting on TiBB did I wonder? I didn't anyway
UserSince2005
29-03-2022, 03:19 PM
Says in this article that he didn't know
https://pagesix.com/2022/03/28/chris-rock-reportedly-didnt-know-jada-pinkett-smith-has-alopecia/
I mean did you know? How many people posting on TiBB did I wonder? I didn't anyway
I mean i would wonder if she had cancer tbh and done my research to confirm she doesnt
but then at the point of then finding out that she has alopecia id have realised the joke was still distasteful for the oscar stage.
the question really is .... why did Will hit him, the joke in itself wasn't the reason. No celeb in the public eye has not had some form of bad taste joke directed at them. We live in the twitter age fgs :laugh:
For me that makes it more serious and honestly, i don't think its about standing up for family either. He basically lets his wife do her own thing in the relationship department and i'm sure there will be a long line of disgruntled ex flings that have been less than pleasant over the years. So again, what made the oscars the event that made him tip over the edge? My take is that he is typically an angry man and he puts on a front that he is this nice guy that loves everyone and he has just been found out for who he really is
Niamh.
29-03-2022, 03:24 PM
I mean i would wonder if she had cancer tbh and done my research to confirm she doesnt
but then at the point of then finding out that she has alopecia id have realised the joke was still distasteful for the oscar stage.Yeah that's a point I suppose, so a lazy joke really, on a stage that big every joke should be researched for things like that. Still doesn't excuse Will hitting him though
GoldHeart
29-03-2022, 03:26 PM
Says in this article that he didn't know
https://pagesix.com/2022/03/28/chris-rock-reportedly-didnt-know-jada-pinkett-smith-has-alopecia/
I mean did you know? How many people posting on TiBB did I wonder? I didn't anyway
Yeah to be honest I DIDN'T KNOW either that she had alopecia, as people change their hairstyles all the time:shrug: .
Niamh.
29-03-2022, 03:26 PM
the question really is .... why did Will hit him, the joke in itself wasn't the reason. No celeb in the public eye has not had some form of bad taste joke directed at them. We live in the twitter age fgs [emoji23]
For me that makes it more serious and honestly, i don't think its about standing up for family either. He basically lets his wife do her own thing in the relationship department and i'm sure there will be a long line of disgruntled ex flings that have been less than pleasant over the years. So again, what made the oscars the event that made him tip over the edge? My take is that he is typically an angry man and he puts on a front that he is this nice guy that loves everyone and he has just been found out for who he really isMaybe so, talk about bad timing for him though, he really tarnished a night that should have been one his best and he tarnished it for the Williams family too
the question really is .... why did Will hit him, the joke in itself wasn't the reason. No celeb in the public eye has not had some form of bad taste joke directed at them. We live in the twitter age fgs :laugh:
For me that makes it more serious and honestly, i don't think its about standing up for family either. He basically lets his wife do her own thing in the relationship department and i'm sure there will be a long line of disgruntled ex flings that have been less than pleasant over the years. So again, what made the oscars the event that made him tip over the edge? My take is that he is typically an angry man and he puts on a front that he is this nice guy that loves everyone and he has just been found out for who he really isYou've probably just described about 90% of celebrities there.
GoldHeart
29-03-2022, 03:32 PM
Yeah sadly this has now become more about Will Smith's anger & Chris Rock's silly joke , and less about the ACTUAL MOVIES/OSCAR NOMINATIONS/WINS.
I' still curious about his movie King Richard though.
Team smith now, theres someone I would happily bitch slap for no apparent reason at this moment in time.
Kizzy
29-03-2022, 07:37 PM
It's quite surreal, they had a very public relationship, and we're open and honest about EVERY aspect of their marriage. Jadas name was in everyone's mouth as people discussed the Smith family at length.
Why suddenly is she not allowed to be spoken about?..
Toy Soldier
29-03-2022, 08:13 PM
Why suddenly is she not allowed to be spoken about?..
Because her HAIR FELL OUT, Kizzy :worry:
Cherie
29-03-2022, 08:39 PM
Think he snorted a few lines pre show
Do you think he has the power to cancel any usage of his, get my wife's name out your mouth, comment, on meme form?
Think he snorted a few lines pre show
I think he thought he was in his own house sat on that couch.
Cherie
29-03-2022, 09:28 PM
I think he thought he was in his own house sat on that couch.
:laugh:
UserSince2005
29-03-2022, 09:39 PM
The more time passes the more shocking this is. The fact that he just got up on stage walked up to him and slapped him lol it’s just ridiculous
rusticgal
29-03-2022, 09:58 PM
Will was 100% in the wrong and the more I watch it the more strongly I feel about that. I also think having watched it quite a few times now that Chris Rock might not have even known Jada had alopecia as he looked very confused about why Will was so angry. Either way you can't just hit someone like that
Yup…I agree.
GoldHeart
29-03-2022, 11:08 PM
It's quite surreal, they had a very public relationship, and we're open and honest about EVERY aspect of their marriage. Jadas name was in everyone's mouth as people discussed the Smith family at length.
Why suddenly is she not allowed to be spoken about?..
Kizzy it's not a case of she "can't" be spoken about, it's the fact Chris Rock made a silly joke about her hair loss. But I don't think he knew about her alopecia.
Also it turns out there's a history ,and back in 2016 he made a dig about Jada then aswell.
Niamh.
29-03-2022, 11:55 PM
Kizzy it's not a case of she "can't" be spoken about, it's the fact Chris Rock made a silly joke about her hair loss. But I don't think he knew about her alopecia.
Also it turns out there's a history ,and back in 2016 he made a dig about Jada then aswell.Oh fgs though that isn't really a "history " that was 1 joke a comedian made 8 years ago and again a very mild joke
Mystic Mock
30-03-2022, 01:32 PM
Chris Rock is a Comedian, why can't people just leave them alone rather than acting offended all of the time? I get that Will Smith probably thinks that he was being malicious, but I just think that Chris Rock was trying to do "edgy" humour and it's backfired on him.
Imo Will Smith needs to grow a thicker skin as celebrities get mocked all of the time by Comedians, or they used to anyway.
Liam-
30-03-2022, 01:40 PM
iirc, on one of her podcasts Jada has said that Chris Rock has been a problem within the Smith family for a long time, so there’s already personal beef embedded in the situation and I’m sorry, but there is a very big difference between making fun of people for the things they do and say and their illnesses that they have no control over, should Will have slapped him? Obviously not, it was ridiculously over the top, however, I don’t buy into the he shouldn’t have been offended narrative, when a joke is aimed at a specific person for a specific uncontrollable situation, people have the right to be offended if it offends them, since when is people having feelings a bad thing? Is everyone supposed to be heartless robots these days or?
Mystic Mock
30-03-2022, 01:46 PM
iirc, on one of her podcasts Jada has said that Chris Rock has been a problem within the Smith family for a long time, so there’s already personal beef embedded in the situation and I’m sorry, but there is a very big difference between making fun of people for the things they do and say and their illnesses that they have no control over, should Will have slapped him? Obviously not, it was ridiculously over the top, however, I don’t buy into the he shouldn’t have been offended narrative, when a joke is aimed at a specific person for a specific uncontrollable situation, people have the right to be offended if it offends them, since when is people having feelings a bad thing? Is everyone supposed to be heartless robots these days or?
I suppose it depends on if Chris Rock was really joking or not for me.
I do feel like people get offended at all sorts of Comedy nowadays though, I mean if Will Smith thinks Chris Rock was mean to his Wife how would he feel if someone like Frankie Boyle made a joke about his Wife? Because no doubt it'd be more offensive.
GoldHeart
30-03-2022, 02:00 PM
I suppose it depends on if Chris Rock was really joking or not for me.
I do feel like people get offended at all sorts of Comedy nowadays though, I mean if Will Smith thinks Chris Rock was mean to his Wife how would he feel if someone like Frankie Boyle made a joke about his Wife? Because no doubt it'd be more offensive.
But some 'jokes' just aren't funny , and Frankie Boyle just seems to enjoy offending people. His joke about Harvey Price was mean spirited and cruel.
I know humour is subjective , and there's alot of boundary pushing going on . But it seems there's beef between the Smith's & Rock by the looks of it. And even when people don't react with violence,we can still see when they hate a joke made about them. People are free to feel how they want but it's how they react to it.
Perfect example is Seth MacFarlane who did a juvenile song about all the actresses 'breasts ' he'd seen on screen, they were all in the audience looking unimpressed.
Smith should have just told Rock that his wife has alopecia and that it's not fair to make jokes about her,and then left it at that . Or better still he could have roasted him back . Instead of resorting to getting physical & angry. It's ashame really.
Toy Soldier
30-03-2022, 02:01 PM
how would he feel if someone like Frankie Boyle made a joke about his Wife? Because no doubt it'd be more offensive.
Not these days - Frankie is woke.
Mystic Mock
30-03-2022, 02:04 PM
Not these days - Frankie is woke.
That sounds like an alternate reality.:joker:
I suppose people can change tbf.
GoldHeart
30-03-2022, 02:05 PM
Not these days - Frankie is woke.
He's a bliddy hypocrite more like . I will never forget his nasty humour. So he can stop trying to take the moral high ground.
Mystic Mock
30-03-2022, 02:08 PM
But some 'jokes' just aren't funny , and Frankie Boyle just seems to enjoy offending people. His joke about Harvey Price was mean spirited and cruel.
I know humour is subjective , and there's alot of boundary pushing going on . But it seems there's beef between the Smith's & Rock by the looks of it. And even when people don't react with violence,we can still see when they hate a joke made about them. People are free to feel how they want but it's how they react to it.
Perfect example is Seth MacFarlane who did a juvenile song about all the actresses 'breasts ' he'd seen on screen, they were all in the audience looking unimpressed.
Smith should have just told Rock that his wife has alopecia and that it's not fair to make jokes about her,and then left it at that . Or better still he could have roasted him back . Instead of resorting to getting physical & angry. It's ashame really.
I get not liking certain jokes, I'm sure we all have jokes that cross the line for us.
I just feel that some people nowadays take Will Smith's approach where it becomes a big drama rather than calmly just saying that the joke wasn't for him.
iirc, on one of her podcasts Jada has said that Chris Rock has been a problem within the Smith family for a long time, so there’s already personal beef embedded in the situation and I’m sorry, but there is a very big difference between making fun of people for the things they do and say and their illnesses that they have no control over, should Will have slapped him? Obviously not, it was ridiculously over the top, however, I don’t buy into the he shouldn’t have been offended narrative, when a joke is aimed at a specific person for a specific uncontrollable situation, people have the right to be offended if it offends them, since when is people having feelings a bad thing? Is everyone supposed to be heartless robots these days or?It's opinion's like yours that makes it look like it may have been a set-up with the motive of pushing on with the cancel culture agenda, by trying to turn this act of violence on to being the victims fault, in this
case the comedians fault.
Cancel comedians. We don't want people like Ricky Gervais roasting us privliged people.
Niamh.
30-03-2022, 02:27 PM
iirc, on one of her podcasts Jada has said that Chris Rock has been a problem within the Smith family for a long time, so there’s already personal beef embedded in the situation and I’m sorry, but there is a very big difference between making fun of people for the things they do and say and their illnesses that they have no control over, should Will have slapped him? Obviously not, it was ridiculously over the top, however, I don’t buy into the he shouldn’t have been offended narrative, when a joke is aimed at a specific person for a specific uncontrollable situation, people have the right to be offended if it offends them, since when is people having feelings a bad thing? Is everyone supposed to be heartless robots these days or?Of course not but any moral high ground Will had, he utterly destroyed with what he did. As Someone else said earlier, if Will hadn't done anything in that moment but mentioned it in his acceptance speech about commenting on his wife's appearance due to her medical condition, I think he would have "won" and Chris would look like the bad guy
Niamh.
30-03-2022, 02:29 PM
It's opinion's like yours that makes it look like it may have been a set-up with the motive of pushing on with the cancel culture agenda, by trying to turn this act of violence on to being the victims fault, in this
case the comedians fault.
Cancel comedians. We don't want people like Ricky Gervais roasting us privliged people.I thought you might enjoy this video Alf
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Ricky Gervais was worshiped for his roasting of Hollywood people, he was saying things like they hang out with paedos and all sorts.
So Chris Rock has one question for you trying to say he did wrong here.
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I thought you might enjoy this video Alf
_Qo0SkwMPlYThank you, I'll have a look.
Vanessa
30-03-2022, 02:38 PM
I have wondered if it was staged to get the Oscars in the headlines. And if it was, it looks like it worked :laugh:
GoldHeart
30-03-2022, 02:40 PM
Ricky Gervais was worshiped for his roasting of Hollywood people, he was saying things like they hang out with paedos and all sorts.
So Chris Rock has one question for you trying to say he did wrong here.
ZHJmY6h-LV0
Actually I think you'll find American comedians regardless of race & even gender get away with alot on their own turf .
When British comedians go across the pond ie Ricky Gervais ,James Corden etc ,then there's resentment at the jokes. And it's always called 'controversial' and they get a bit of a dressing down.
But whoever the comedian is ,if a joke is seen as offensive especially nowadays then it will make headlines.
But Chris Rock & Will Smith are only making headlines because of the slap , otherwise that GI Jane silly joke probably would have just gone by like nothing.
Niamh.
30-03-2022, 02:40 PM
I have wondered if it was staged to get the Oscars in the headlines. And if it was, it looks like it worked [emoji23]I don't think it was though, that behaviour/body language guy in the video doesn't either
Vanessa
30-03-2022, 02:43 PM
I don't think it was though, that behaviour/body language guy in the video doesn't either
Who knows? It's just the timing that's a bit odd for me.
I don't think it was though, that behaviour/body language guy in the video doesn't either
I have seen ordinary people diagnose themselves with depression, does it mean they’re qualified to give a professional insight into depression
Niamh.
30-03-2022, 03:12 PM
Who knows? It's just the timing that's a bit odd for me.The whole thing was pretty surreal, it just makes no sense imo for Will Smith to have agreed to stunt like that, all it could really do him is harm, career and reputation wise
I don't think it was though, that behaviour/body language guy in the video doesn't eitherThat body language guy agreed with me that Chris Rock's reaction to the attack was handled like a true professional.
I'm well over 50% sure it isn't a set-up, but there is always a little bit of me that doesn't trust the elites so I will always question them and their motives for doing things.
Niamh.
30-03-2022, 03:23 PM
That body language guy agreed with me that Chris Rock's reaction to the attack was handled like a true professional.
I'm well over 50% sure it isn't a set-up, but there is always a little bit of me that doesn't trust the elites so I will always question them and their motives for doing things.Yes he did, I really liked his analysis of Chris Rock in particular as well
GoldHeart
30-03-2022, 03:25 PM
It happened so quickly , maybe Rock didn't expect Smith to actually hit him.But he definitely knew some form of confrontation was about to happen.
He's the presenter so whether he was just trying to hold the envelope like a professional,but it just looks odd how his reflex with his hands stay behind his back .
Even if he didn't want to 'fight back ' ,you'd think he'd still automatically have his body language in a way to protect himself.
Toy Soldier
30-03-2022, 03:26 PM
That body language guy agreed with me that Chris Rock's reaction to the attack was handled like a true professional.
I'm well over 50% sure it isn't a set-up, but there is always a little bit of me that doesn't trust the elites so I will always question them and their motives for doing things.
Here's some conspiracy fuel for your fire then Alf; what if it was set up, but Chris Rock wasn't in on it? They needed his reaction to be genuine, so they told him to make the joke but not what would happen. Catch his genuine shock at it happening to make it convincing. Then afterwards they inform him of the full plan and that he isn't to press charges. :omgno:
Here's some conspiracy fuel for your fire then Alf; what if it was set up, but Chris Rock wasn't in on it? They needed his reaction to be genuine, so they told him to make the joke but not what would happen. Catch his genuine shock at it happening to make it convincing. Then afterwards they inform him of the full plan and that he isn't to press charges. :omgno:QrrIRr9arkM
I have already seen that theory pushed about. Some said Smith had an ear piece and was told what to do.
I preferred the Pfizer theory. That Pfizer, who sponsored the Oscars have a new alopecia medication coming out.
Would have been funnier if it was a white actor hitting him...the world would have melted.
GoldHeart
30-03-2022, 03:42 PM
Would have been funnier if it was a white actor hitting him...the world would have melted.
Why do you feel the need to bring race into it
Crimson Dynamo
30-03-2022, 03:50 PM
Yeah sadly this has now become more about Will Smith's anger & Chris Rock's silly joke , and less about the ACTUAL MOVIES/OSCAR NOMINATIONS/WINS.
I' still curious about his movie King Richard though.
Awards shows are a thing of the past
Why do you feel the need to bring race into it
I've just watched a video where someone mentions it..
It would be a completely different story had it been though.
Livia
31-03-2022, 09:27 AM
Will Smith was right.
A man mocked his wife's medical condition and her appearance, in front of millions of people. He's lucky he got a slap and not a punch. And I think Will was going for a punch until he pulled himself back at the last minute. I'm sure all the people backing Rock would politely stand back and smile if someone ripped the piss out of their partner's medical condition.
The fact that the academy asked Will to leave and is now considering banning him is ****ing lunacy. Expecting a man not to react in a situation like this is laughable.
Will Smith was right.
A man mocked his wife's medical condition and her appearance, in front of millions of people. He's lucky he got a slap and not a punch. And I think Will was going for a punch until he pulled himself back at the last minute. I'm sure all the people backing Rock would politely stand back and smile if someone ripped the piss out of their partner's medical condition.
The fact that the academy asked Will to leave and is now considering banning him is ****ing lunacy. Expecting a man not to react in a situation like this is laughable.So you believe Donald Trump should go around slapping people in the face everytime someone mocks his wife? And she has been called all sorts many times. Don't remember you ever egging him on to go and assault people for it.
I think it's time for some alopecia jokes on here today. Sadly Jada won't see them, well that's hair loss.
Livia
31-03-2022, 09:39 AM
So you believe Donald Trump should go around slapping people in the face everytime someone mocks his wife? And she has been called all sorts many times. Don't remember you ever egging him on to go and assault people for it.
I think it's time for some alopecia jokes on here today. Sadly Jada won't see them, well that's hair loss.
Wow... Super-surprised at you, Alfie.
Wow... Super-surprised at you, Alfie.Most people's hair falls out. Prince William is bald as badger. I'll make baldy jokes about his egg head as well.
Crimson Dynamo
31-03-2022, 09:51 AM
Would have been funnier if it was a white actor hitting him...the world would have melted.
especially if he had used the back of his hand
:omgno:
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 09:53 AM
I don't even think Chris Rock knew about her medical condition though tbf. Should he have researched why she shaved her head? Maybe but that still doesn't give anyone the right to hit him and I'm surprised anyone thinks violence is an appropriate reaction to words. What kind of a lawless messed up society would we be in if you could just go around hitting anyone who said something we didn't like?
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 10:02 AM
gPoCf4rIAaw
gPoCf4rIAawHe's stand up shows have sold out now.
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 10:08 AM
He's stand up shows have sold out now.Yeah the ticket prices sky rocketed apparently
None of them.
The joke was cruel but it was still a joke and that's exactly what Chris Rock gets paid to do.
Assault is never OK. Will could have defended his wife perfectly well without lifting a hand.
Think he snorted a few lines pre showAh do you think he's been on the devil's dandruff?
I genuinely think Will Smith is heading for a breakdown
i honestly cant fathom it. He assaults someone, then sits down and swears his head off. Refuses to leave the event, and then parties like its going out of fashion, and the majority of americans support him?
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 10:36 AM
Ah do you think he's been on the devil's dandruff?
I genuinely think Will Smith is heading for a breakdownThe Devils dandruff [emoji28] now Denzels pep talk makes sense!
I agree though that there's more to his reaction than just that joke. It's not a rational way to behave at a show where you're expecting to get roasted. Its not Wills first time at one of these things
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 10:36 AM
i honestly cant fathom it. He assaults someone, then sits down and swears his head off. Refuses to leave the event, and then parties like its going out of fashion, and the majority of americans support him?I think the tide has turned a bit on the support
Livia
31-03-2022, 10:50 AM
I knew Jada Pinkett had alopecia. Maybe Chris Rock lives in a cave or something....
Comedian Tom Segura lays into to Smith. Rightly so, every comedien should be doing the same because it was more than just an attack on Rock, it's an attack on comediens. Well done to Jim Carrey and all the other comediens that have waded in so far.
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Liam-
31-03-2022, 10:55 AM
Yeah, Chris Rock has known the family for a long time, even strangers know she has alopecia, he definitely does to
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 10:57 AM
I knew Jada Pinkett had alopecia. Maybe Chris Rock lives in a cave or something....I didn't
GoldHeart
31-03-2022, 11:08 AM
I didn't
I didn't know either
Toy Soldier
31-03-2022, 11:10 AM
I can see both arguments there to be fair. I mean, I didn't know that she had alopecia (or... umm... care... sorry :umm2: ) but then I couldn't really give a stuff about anything celebrity-related on a deeper level than just "kinda liking gossip".
Howeverrr... I'm not going to be hosting the Oscars any time soon... you would think that someone hosting the Oscars WOULD be aware of celebrity news.
HOWEVERRR... it doesn't really matter if he knew or not. No one (I don't think?) is bothered that Will Smith didn't like the joke or that he got angry about it. The issue is a person letting their anger get the better of them and physically assaulting someone. I understand why it happens of course and I think if we're to be truly compassionate, no one should be "villified", you can point out that an action is wrong without saying "So that person is now a BAD PERSON!". I actually have more issue with the fact that he then refused to leave and sort of doubled down on his actions a bit - then only decided later that apologising would be a better idea.
Crimson Dynamo
31-03-2022, 11:10 AM
I would not have joked about her hair': Ricky Gervais wades in on Will Smith's divisive Oscars slap as he insists he'd have mocked Jada Pinkett Smith's 'BOYFRIEND' if he'd been host
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/31/01/56028333-10670401-image-a-54_1648685777398.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10670401/Ricky-Gervais-joked-Jada-Pinkett-Smiths-BOYFRIEND-hair-Oscars.html
I would not have joked about her hair': Ricky Gervais wades in on Will Smith's divisive Oscars slap as he insists he'd have mocked Jada Pinkett Smith's 'BOYFRIEND' if he'd been host
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/31/01/56028333-10670401-image-a-54_1648685777398.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10670401/Ricky-Gervais-joked-Jada-Pinkett-Smiths-BOYFRIEND-hair-Oscars.htmlNow that would have been good, I'd have liked to see if Will would have been laughing at that. He'd probably have had the same expression Tom Hanks had the last time Ricky roasted them.
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 11:20 AM
I can see both arguments there to be fair. I mean, I didn't know that she had alopecia (or... umm... care... sorry :umm2: ) but then I couldn't really give a stuff about anything celebrity-related on a deeper level than just "kinda liking gossip".
Howeverrr... I'm not going to be hosting the Oscars any time soon... you would think that someone hosting the Oscars WOULD be aware of celebrity news.
HOWEVERRR... it doesn't really matter if he knew or not. No one (I don't think?) is bothered that Will Smith didn't like the joke or that he got angry about it. The issue is a person letting their anger get the better of them and physically assaulting someone. I understand why it happens of course and I think if we're to be truly compassionate, no one should be "villified", you can point out that an action is wrong without saying "So that person is now a BAD PERSON!". I actually have more issue with the fact that he then refused to leave and sort of doubled down on his actions a bit - then only decided later that apologising would be a better idea.Yeah I agree with you on that actually and he could have stood up for Jada and come out of it as "the good guy" had he for example said something about the joke while accepting his award
Crimson Dynamo
31-03-2022, 11:23 AM
why does he think she cant look after herself?
Toy Soldier
31-03-2022, 11:23 AM
Yeah I agree with you on that actually and he could have stood up for Jada and come out of it as "the good guy" had he for example said something about the joke while accepting his award
Honestly a dignified response calling him out for making a lazy, low-hanging joke and criticising his skill as a host and comedian would have hurt more than a slap, and with zero blowback.
Niamh.
31-03-2022, 11:25 AM
Honestly a dignified response calling him out for making a lazy, low-hanging joke and criticising his skill as a host and comedian would have hurt more than a slap, and with zero blowback.Absolutely
GoldHeart
31-03-2022, 11:27 AM
I would not have joked about her hair': Ricky Gervais wades in on Will Smith's divisive Oscars slap as he insists he'd have mocked Jada Pinkett Smith's 'BOYFRIEND' if he'd been host
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/31/01/56028333-10670401-image-a-54_1648685777398.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10670401/Ricky-Gervais-joked-Jada-Pinkett-Smiths-BOYFRIEND-hair-Oscars.html
Ricky Gervais would have still gotten stick , because as I keep saying when a British comedian goes across the pond and jokes about American celebrities then they get offended.
I can't stand James Corden but when he made tasteless jokes re the Harvey Weinstein scandal, he'l got alot of grief over it.
But Tina Fey & Amy Poeler happily joked about the Bill Cosby scandal and got no flack.
Crimson Dynamo
31-03-2022, 11:28 AM
to be honest this whole debacle has been played out before
Imagine Pinkett smith and Will Smith are the Ogg-monster and Chris Rock is David Brent....
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Niamh.
31-03-2022, 11:30 AM
Oh just a quick point TS Chris Rock wasn't actually the Presenter, he was just presenting an award
Toy Soldier
31-03-2022, 11:30 AM
why does he think she cant look after herself?
That unfortunately is the other less-talked-about part of this story. The idea of "tough guys defending their wives" is fairly toxic as well. If she didn't make a scene herself... perhaps she didn't want a scene to be made.
Oh just a quick point TS Chris Rock wasn't actually the Presenter, he was just presenting an awardI don't think many people know much other information about the ceremony, hardly anyone was watching. They just saw someone tweet out what Will Smith did and the games began.
Kizzy
31-03-2022, 12:23 PM
None of them.
The joke was cruel but it was still a joke and that's exactly what Chris Rock gets paid to do.
Assault is never OK. Will could have defended his wife perfectly well without lifting a hand.
It was only cruel if it was known about her condition, as far as we know Rock didn't know.
That hairstyle is quite fashionable at the moment so it couldn't really be assumed it was necessary.
Award shows are well known thanks to Gervais for upsetting and offensive comments by hosts.
As you said Smith could've found another way to support his wife.
It was only cruel if it was known about her condition, as far as we know Rock didn't know.
That hairstyle is quite fashionable at the moment so it couldn't really be assumed it was necessary.
Award shows are well known thanks to Gervais for upsetting and offensive comments by hosts.
As you said Smith could've found another way to support his wife.
Apparently EVERYONE in showbiz or who even casually follows showbiz news would know about her Alopecia . She’s apparently been very public about it to raise the general awareness since 2018
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Niamh.
31-03-2022, 05:03 PM
Apparently EVERYONE in showbiz or who even casually follows showbiz news would know about her Alopecia . She’s apparently been very public about it to raise the general awareness since 2018
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProYou can't say EVERYONE on Showbiz knew, obviously not everyone knew
You can't say EVERYONE on Showbiz knew, obviously not everyone knew
It’s a ‘saying’ .. it seems ridiculous that such a high profile comedian who makes a living out of jokes about people and their situations didn’t know about her well documented condition.
Chris Rock and the Smith family have ‘history’ as well which makes it even more likely that he knew but made a bad error of judgment.
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It later emerged that there was more to the story, as Chris had previously also cracked a joke about Jada at the Oscars. The comedian, who was hosting the Oscars in 2016, had roasted Jada's efforts to boycott the award ceremony. She had made a video announcing she was boycotting the 2016 Oscars as 'no persons of colour were nominated' in any of the major acting categories, which included her husband Will.
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Crimson Dynamo
31-03-2022, 05:29 PM
If nothing else it least it gave us a little distraction from covid/ukraine/cost of living crisis
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If nothing else it least it gave us a little distraction from covid/ukraine/cost of living crisis
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Crimson Dynamo
31-03-2022, 05:46 PM
TAKE, THE WORLDS PROBLEMS, OUT YOUR MOUTH:fist:
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Niamh.
31-03-2022, 07:09 PM
It’s a ‘saying’ .. it seems ridiculous that such a high profile comedian who makes a living out of jokes about people and their situations didn’t know about her well documented condition.
Chris Rock and the Smith family have ‘history’ as well which makes it even more likely that he knew but made a bad error of judgment.
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It later emerged that there was more to the story, as Chris had previously also cracked a joke about Jada at the Oscars. The comedian, who was hosting the Oscars in 2016, had roasted Jada's efforts to boycott the award ceremony. She had made a video announcing she was boycotting the 2016 Oscars as 'no persons of colour were nominated' in any of the major acting categories, which included her husband Will.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProHe made a joke about Jada boycotting the Oscar's while he was hosting the Oscar's, its hardly "targeting" them. He's a Comedian joking about Celebrities at a celebrity event, that is literally his job and that was 6 years ago
it doesnt matter whether chris knew about her condition or not. He is a comedian, there to tell jokes and roast a few celebs. The fact that some didn't find it funny, doesn't give them the right to then assault him. That's the plain truth of the matter
I guarantee had The Rock made that joke Will wouldn't have reacted like that whether Jada liked it or not.
Cherie
31-03-2022, 09:14 PM
TAKE, THE WORLDS PROBLEMS, OUT YOUR MOUTH:fist:
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GoldHeart
31-03-2022, 11:38 PM
I guarantee had The Rock made that joke Will wouldn't have reacted like that whether Jada liked it or not.
Meaning Will Smith is scared of The Rock ?. It seems Will Smith & Chris Rock aren't as close as they use to be , maybe that's another reason.
Meaning Will Smith is scared of The Rock ?. It seems Will Smith & Chris Rock aren't as close as they use to be , maybe that's another reason.
Well yeah, I don't reckon Will would have been so aggressive had it been someone like The Rock. Chris Rock is like 5"6 and weighs about 9 stone probably.
GoldHeart
01-04-2022, 12:25 AM
Well yeah, I don't reckon Will would have been so aggressive had it been someone like The Rock. Chris Rock is like 5"6 and weighs about 9 stone probably.
Yeah probably , Dwayne Johnson is huge ... he's a chilled out guy though.
Kizzy
01-04-2022, 12:50 AM
TAKE, THE WORLDS PROBLEMS, OUT YOUR MOUTH:fist:
Spat my coffee out :joker:
Meaning Will Smith is scared of The Rock ?. It seems Will Smith & Chris Rock aren't as close as they use to be , maybe that's another reason.
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GoldHeart
01-04-2022, 03:40 PM
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When I saw the title I almost thought it was real :laugh: .
Dogeatdog
01-04-2022, 07:59 PM
Can resonate with both sides tbh. It was a poor joke especially if it was something that Chris was aware of (maybe it wasn’t?) but Will was definitely still wrong to go up and slap him but I can understand his anger.
On a side note, security must be really crap at these events if anyone can just walk up on stage and hit somebody?
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