What Action should the Academy take against Will Smith?

[Niamh.]

In your opinion?

I think he should keep the Oscar, it was for the performance in the film after all, and there are many people holding Oscars who've done very bad things so if you took Will's award you'd have to make a list of other people to take awards from. I do think he should be banned from future Academy Awards ceremonies though, for a certain period of time at least, he behaved badly at the ceremony so should be banned from there like the way you'd be banned from an airline or from a football stadium or a bar if you behaved badly in those places

[Cherie]

Yes he should be banned for 5 years to send a message, you cannot in any walk of life just get off your chair and slap someone because you are annoyed

[Crimson Dynamo]

lifetime ban and rescind the award

[Crimson Dynamo]

plus 2 day ban from Tibb

[michael21]

In your opinion?

I think he should keep the Oscar, it was for the performance in the film after all, and there are many people holding Oscars who've done very bad things so if you took Will's award you'd have to make a list of other people to take awards from. I do think he should be banned from future Academy Awards ceremonies though, for a certain period of time at least, he behaved badly at the ceremony so should be banned from there like the way you'd be banned from an airline or from a football stadium or a bar if you behaved badly in those places


I think there should do the same as the UK government and do nothing

I sure gav would of done the same of sone one said something about you

[michael21]

plus 2 day ban from Tibb

:laugh2:

[Niamh.]

Yes he should be banned for 5 years to send a message, you cannot in any walk of life just get off your chair and slap someone because you are annoyed

Also a reason for not taking his award, you're punishing everyone else involved in that film if you take an award away from it's achievements which I don't think is fair

[Niamh.]

plus 2 day ban from Tibb

Too far :o

[Cherie]

plus 2 day ban from Tibb

get him telt

[Beso]

Yes he should be banned for 5 years to send a message, you cannot in any walk of life just get off your chair and slap someone because you are annoyed

This.

[Kizzy]

get him telt

This is cultural appropriation :nono:

I say same 5yr ban... owite geeza.

[GoldHeart]

I don't think he should be banned,but I think they could tell him if he behaves like that again then don't bother coming back. So basically a warning .

And taking his Oscar away would be ridiculous as it's for his performance in the movie, he's not being awarded for slapping Chris Rock :shrug:.

[Niamh.]

I don't think he should be banned,but I think they could tell him if he behaves like that again then don't bother coming back. So basically a warning .

And taking his Oscar away would be ridiculous as it's for his performance in the movie, he's not being awarded for slapping Chris Rock :shrug:.

A warning for getting on stage and hitting a presenter? You really don't think that warrants actual punishment?

[rusticgal]

lifetime ban and rescind the award


I agree....hit him where it hurts.

[Toy Soldier]

His actions don't impact whether or not it was the winning performance... not much point withdrawing it and I agree with Niamh that it impacts others involved with the movie.

I think a 3 to 5 year ban is appropriate; and personally I think it would be optimal if they could agree with other big awards ceremonies that the ban will apply to all of them, not just the Oscars.

[bots]

he shouldnt have been given the award after assaulting Chris, so that must be taken away, but it wont be.

[michael21]

A warning for getting on stage and hitting a presenter? You really don't think that warrants actual punishment?

Mad

This is a matter for the police not the award people

[rusticgal]

he shouldnt have been given the award after assaulting Chris, so that must be taken away, but it wont be.


I agree..

[Niamh.]

Mad

This is a matter for the police not the award people

It is a matter for the award people considering it happened during one of their events. If you hit someone in a Pub, yes you may get arrested but you'd also be barred from that Pub

[michael21]

It is a matter for the award people considering it happened during one of their events. If you hit someone in a Pub, yes you may get arrested but you'd also be barred from that Pub

But if he is ban will it stop other from doing the same thing at future events it like locally a carer stoles lots of money she has to paid just £1 back and no prison time on locally news on Wednesday no less

[Toy Soldier]

he shouldnt have been given the award after assaulting Chris, so that must be taken away, but it wont be.

I personally disagree on this; the award was won already (just not announced yet) so that's done. I agree that he shouldn't have been PRESENTED the award, he should have been removed immediately and not there to actually receive it. They should have sent it in the post.

[Kizzy]

I personally disagree on this; the award was won already (just not announced yet) so that's done. I agree that he shouldn't have been PRESENTED the award, he should have been removed immediately and not there to actually receive it. They should have sent it in the post.

Yep I agree with this, he shouldn't have been invited down to the stage again after that.

He's deffo a great actor, one min he's blubbering some half assed apology and the next partying :/

[rusticgal]

I personally disagree on this; the award was won already (just not announced yet) so that's done. I agree that he shouldn't have been PRESENTED the award, he should have been removed immediately and not there to actually receive it. They should have sent it in the post.

Fair enough....and then banned for 5 years from being nominated and attendance.

[Niamh.]

Plus if they take his award away, what are they going to do, give it to the guy who came second - which would be a bit **** for that actor, their "best actor Oscar" is really only a 2nd place, or they could give it to no one and have no winner which is also a bit ****

[michael21]

Plus if they take his award away, what are they going to do, give it to the guy who came second - which would be a bit **** for that actor, their "best actor Oscar" is really only a 2nd place, or they could give it to no one and have no winner which is also a bit ****

This dose happen on big events like the Olympic

[Toy Soldier]

Plus if they take his award away, what are they going to do, give it to the guy who came second - which would be a bit **** for that actor, their "best actor Oscar" is really only a 2nd place, or they could give it to no one and have no winner which is also a bit ****

Well exactly, giving it to the runner up is a bit ... questionable ... because that person is left like "Oh yeah I have an oscar but people didn't actually think it was the best performance". And giving it to no one essentially is just admitting that Will Smith did win it... so it's a "yeah we thought your performance was best and you won BUT you don't get the little statue!!"

A bit pointless really. The "flattery" is still there, he still knows it was voted as the winning performance, which is what it's all about really. The actual trophy is incidental.

[bots]

just dont award that oscar to anyone, make a point. The other thing is that he hadn't been awarded the oscar at that point and he brought the society into disrepute so he shouldnt get it. However, we all know that he will get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

[Toy Soldier]

just dont award that oscar to anyone, make a point. The other thing is that he hadn't been awarded the oscar at that point and he brought the society into disrepute so he shouldnt get it. However, we all know that he will get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

Yes but like I said, "not awarding it to anyone" is just admitting that he won it. It's not on paper and he doesn't get the statue, but everyone still knows whose name was in the envelope, the rest is incidental.

[bots]

Yes but like I said, "not awarding it to anyone" is just admitting that he won it. It's not on paper and he doesn't get the statue, but everyone still knows whose name was in the envelope, the rest is incidental.

history would record that he was still waiting on his first oscar though, and that matters more to them than anything

[Nicky91]

if they take any action against Will, then also something against Chris please, i sympathize with Will in terms of how inappropriate that ''joke'' was

would be similar if someone made a joke about Bruce Willis his condition now


making a mockery of such conditions is just simply disgusting, and i am more shocked about Chris that he did do that, i quite like him but this well he was out of line, but the way Will acted was also out of line

so if they want to punish one, they should punish both for both being involved in creating this over the top scene at a oscars ceremony

[Niamh.]

if they take any action against Will, then also something against Chris please, i sympathize with Will in terms of how inappropriate that ''joke'' was

would be similar if someone made a joke about Bruce Willis his condition now


making a mockery of such conditions is just simply disgusting, and i am more shocked about Chris that he did do that, i quite like him but this well he was out of line, but the way Will acted was also out of line

so if they want to punish one, they should punish both for both being involved in creating this over the top scene at a oscars ceremony

You don't know Chris knew about her condition though, he didn't make a joke about alopecia, he made a joke about a hairstyle, if he did know then yes it was in poor taste but the joke wasn't that bad, Demi Moore looked great in that film with that hair cut and Jada looks great with it too. I honestly wouldn't have even thought she had her hair like that because of a condition, it just looked like a style choice and it really suits her.

[bots]

it's society trying to dictate what is a funny joke and what isn't, yet again. I will always support a comedians right to tell a joke and not be physically assaulted or shut down because of it

[Toy Soldier]

it's society trying to dictate what is a funny joke and what isn't, yet again. I will always support a comedians right to tell a joke and not be physically assaulted or shut down because of it

Hmmmmm to be fair, I agree with that in terms of GENERAL jokes (i.e. is it ok to, in general, make a joke about alopecia) but when it comes to things like health conditions and actual individuals, I think that individual does get a say.

I'll take diabetes as an example:

- South Park, "I'm Scott Malkinson and I have diabetes!"

Fine

- One of my best friends has diabetes, we joke about it all the time and he finds it funny.

Fine


- Some random person I don't know well or who I know gets upset about having the condition...

...Not so fine to crack jokes then.



So I guess in other words, it's not OK for Jada to say "don't joke about alopecia", but it IS OK for her to say "don't joke about MY alopecia".

[Swan]

I don't think he should be stripped of the award, maybe a ban, but he should get to keep his Oscar. I know in the past people have done horrible, unforgivable things and thus lost their rewards/recognition for past works and achievements. However what Will did was forgivable. It was a moment of madness, and he is 100% in the wrong imo, but still, it was a very forgivable act. He swore at and slapped someone because he felt they unfairly mocked his wife, he overreacted yes, but it wasn't enough to have his past work and achievements stripped from him.

[GoldHeart]

A warning for getting on stage and hitting a presenter? You really don't think that warrants actual punishment?

I don't think he should be permanently banned No , as Swan said it was a moment of madness but I don't condone his behaviour.

Like I said I would have respected Smith more if he just used his words ,and roasted Rock back or even just calmly explained that his wife has alopecia, and how it's not something he finds appropriate to joke about.

Well what do you class as punishment ?, because if anything he's embarrassed himself and I'm pretty sure now he'll never live this down,and he's probably lost some support anyway.

Plus by giving him a warning it basically means he has to be careful how he behaves in the future at these events . That's my opinion anyway.

[Niamh.]

I don't think he should be permanently banned No , as Swan said it was a moment of madness but I don't condone his behaviour.

Like I said I would have respected Smith more if he just used his words ,and roasted Rock back or even just calmly explained that his wife has alopecia, and how it's not something he finds appropriate to joke about.

Well what do you class as punishment ?, because if anything he's embarrassed himself and I'm pretty sure now he'll never live this down,and he's probably lost some support anyway.

Plus by giving him a warning it basically means he has to be careful how he behaves in the future at these events . That's my opinion anyway.

I think he should be banned for a few years at least.

[Zizu]

I don't think he should be stripped of the award, maybe a ban, but he should get to keep his Oscar. I know in the past people have done horrible, unforgivable things and thus lost their rewards/recognition for past works and achievements. However what Will did was forgivable. It was a moment of madness, and he is 100% in the wrong imo, but still, it was a very forgivable act. He swore at and slapped someone because he felt they unfairly mocked his wife, he overreacted yes, but it wasn't enough to have his past work and achievements stripped from him.


That’s an excellent assessment of the situation imho


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[GoldHeart]

I think he should be banned for a few years at least.

I know assault is assault ( assuming it was real and not fake), I believe it was real but I did wonder if it was a set up .

I think it depends on the circumstance,if he punched Chris Rock and caused serious injury then i'd probably agree with you.

Obviously the angry shouting afterwards and him refusing to leave doesn't look good on Will Smith's side either. But like I said his image has been altered now. Who knows maybe the next Oscars he might not even turn up after all this.

[bots]

it will be interesting over time to see what affect this has. The bottom line is, will he continue to be a box office draw across the world, because that will ultimately dictate his future in the business

[Niamh.]

He's resigned as an Academy Member

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60963054

[bots]

he must have got wind that he was going to get booted out and jumped before he was pushed because it seemed to me a few days ago he thought he could get away with it like nothing had happened

[Cherie]

he must have got wind that he was going to get booted out and jumped before he was pushed because it seemed to me a few days ago he thought he could get away with it like nothing had happened

They more than likely gave him this option to jump before he was pushed

[Niamh.]

Yeah agree with Cherie on that one, it isn't enough though imo, he needs to be banned from attending too for a few years.

[Dogeatdog]

“The Academy says its disciplinary proceedings will continue, which leaves open the possibility that he could be stripped of the Oscar he won on Sunday - although that seems unlikely - or he could be denied future appearance at Academy Awards ceremonies.”

So there’s still a chance he can be banned from attending. I think stripping him of his award is too harsh but I definitely think he should be banned for a few years, as much as I like Will his actions need to have consequences.

[Niamh.]

“The Academy says its disciplinary proceedings will continue, which leaves open the possibility that he could be stripped of the Oscar he won on Sunday - although that seems unlikely - or he could be denied future appearance at Academy Awards ceremonies.”



So there’s still a chance he can be banned from attending. I think stripping him of his award is too harsh but I definitely think he should be banned for a few years, as much as I like Will his actions need to have consequences.I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

[Dogeatdog]

I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

Yh it’s definitely unfair on the rest of the people involved with the film if the award is taken away from him. They shouldn’t be punished because of Will’s actions that just doesn’t sit right with me tbh and like you said it wouldn’t really make much sense anyways as it was already decided he was going to win before the incident occurred.

I think a ban from the award ceremonies for a few years at least would be a fairer punishment.

[Niamh.]

And also, they've already given him the award if they're going to go back now and take it then in the interest of fairness they'd need to go back and take the awards from people like Weinstein and Polanski. Banning him from the event because if his behaviour at the event for a period of time is much more straightforward and fitting

[Liam-]

If they take the Oscar off of him but let all of the sex offenders and racists keep theirs, then it’s very clear what it’s all about

[Zizu]

TalkSport just said that he’s resigned from the academy..


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[GoldHeart]

If they take the Oscar off of him but let all of the sex offenders and racists keep theirs, then it’s very clear what it’s all about

Exactly !
They better not take his Oscar away. Is this Will Smith's FIRST Oscar aswell? .

[Niamh.]

TalkSport just said that he’s resigned from the academy..


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[arista]

He's resigned as an Academy Member

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60963054



Yes that was good sense

[Alf]

If they take the Oscar off of him but let all of the sex offenders and racists keep theirs, then it’s very clear what it’s all aboutWho are the racists? Name names if you can?

[rusticgal]

Good...now I hope he gets charged for assault.

[GoldHeart]

Who are the racists? Name names if you can?

If they think it's OK for Roman Polanski to get an award then why can't Will Smith keep his ,answer us?.

[rusticgal]

If they take the Oscar off of him but let all of the sex offenders and racists keep theirs, then it’s very clear what it’s all about


So keen to bring up the race card.... Had Will Smith been white this would be a whole different story.
He assaulted someone...and so far everyone seems to be licking his feet...he was asked to leave on the night but refused...so they let him stay...now he has been given the opportunity to resign rather than be sacked...to save face.
Had this been an unknown Actor he would have been led out in Handcuffs...its a disgrace.

[Alf]

If they think it's OK for Roman Polanski to get an award then why can't Will Smith keep his ,answer us?.I didn't ask about the nonces, I asked about the racists.

[Kizzy]

Who are the racists? Name names if you can?

John Wayne.

[Alf]

John Wayne.YBQvt-t6NcA

[Liam-]

That was actually meant to say rapists, but racists worked in the context to so I’ll stand by it

[Alf]

That was actually meant to say rapists, but racists worked in the context to so I’ll stand by it4gEbTcLPXzg

[Crimson Dynamo]

That was actually meant to say rapists, but racists worked in the context to so I’ll stand by it

a racist rapist is worse tho

[Cherie]

So keen to bring up the race card.... Had Will Smith been white this would be a whole different story.
He assaulted someone...and so far everyone seems to be licking his feet...he was asked to leave on the night but refused...so they let him stay...now he has been given the opportunity to resign rather than be sacked...to save face.
Had this been an unknown Actor he would have been led out in Handcuffs...its a disgrace.

Indeed Rusti

[GoldHeart]

So keen to bring up the race card.... Had Will Smith been white this would be a whole different story.
He assaulted someone...and so far everyone seems to be licking his feet...he was asked to leave on the night but refused...so they let him stay...now he has been given the opportunity to resign rather than be sacked...to save face.
Had this been an unknown Actor he would have been led out in Handcuffs...its a disgrace.
Actually I think you'll find It wasn't Liam who initially brought up race.

If I remember correctly when the altercation first happened, there was comments already bringing race into it and how " ohhh what if Chris Rock was a white man who got slapped" and blah blah.

I was one of the first people to ask why race has to be brought into it.

[Toy Soldier]

I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

I just don't think you can in principle "take back" an award, I don't think it's conceptually possible... the award isn't the little statue - it's the recognition from the award-givers that you were the best of the nominees. They can take back the statue and scribble his name off the list but the recognition that he was (in the eyes of the academy) the winner of that award still exists. The statue is just a physical token of that sentiment.

[Alf]

I don't care about the award, it's meaningless. I'm more bothered about the lack of justice handed out to him that would be handed out to the average citizen.

[rusticgal]

Actually I think you'll find It wasn't Liam who initially brought up race.

it.

It’s actually irrelevant Who bought it up…however it was the first comment I had read and since Liam mentioned it I obviously quoted it…

[Toy Soldier]

I don't care about the award, it's meaningless. I'm more bothered about the lack of justice handed out to him that would be handed out to the average citizen.

Nothing would happen to the "average citizen" for an assault like that. Literally nothing, police might give a verbal warning. Chris Rock could probably take some sort of civil action but that's up to him.

[GoldHeart]

Nothing would happen to the "average citizen" for an assault like that. Literally nothing, police might give a verbal warning. Chris Rock could probably take some sort of civil action but that's up to him.

And Chris Rock seems to have moved on from it, he was never going to press charges.

[bots]

Nothing would happen to the "average citizen" for an assault like that. Literally nothing, police might give a verbal warning. Chris Rock could probably take some sort of civil action but that's up to him.

the biggest thing is going to be the knock on effects to his draw at the box office. If the next couple of films starring him bomb then his career is over. The general public will decide with their wallets

[Toy Soldier]

the biggest thing is going to be the knock on effects to his draw at the box office. If the next couple of films starring him bomb then his career is over. The general public will decide with their wallets

Highly doubt it'll affect box office tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

thing is "the academy" is just a group of self-interest men who seek importance, power, self-gain

its nothing other than a golf club for people who are in the film business

it means nothing, it is nothing and it will never be anything other than an illusion in the MSM

[Beso]

Nothing would happen to the "average citizen" for an assault like that. Literally nothing, police might give a verbal warning. Chris Rock could probably take some sort of civil action but that's up to him.

An average citizen walks onto the stage st the Oscars and slaps Chris rock, and no charges would be brought!


:joker:..dreamworld.

[GoldHeart]

An average citizen walks onto the stage st the Oscars and slaps Chris rock, and no charges would be brought!


:joker:..dreamworld.

I think TS meant if 2 citizens were involved,not a celebrity and a citizen.

[Swan]

I think TS meant if 2 citizens were involved,not a celebrity and a citizen.

In fairness, black, white, whatever, celebs, especially A listers do seem to get away with stuff the 'average' citizen wouldn't.

I stand by him keeping his award, however the more power you have, the money you have, you will have a much better chance of getting away with this kinda stuff.

Also, it was America, walking up to a dude and physically assaulting him is a lot more heavily punished in the US. In some states Rock could have shot Smith and not even got so much as a slap on the wrist.

Yes, im being OTT now, just like Smith :joker: But still, in everyday life this WOULD been a different situation!

[Toy Soldier]

An average citizen walks onto the stage st the Oscars and slaps Chris rock, and no charges would be brought!


:joker:..dreamworld.I think TS meant if 2 citizens were involved,not a celebrity and a citizen.Indeed; I meant that if Average Joe made a joke about Average Bob's wife at the pub, and Bob then slapped Joe in the face, it's VERY unlikely the police would even arrest anyone let alone that it would result in criminal charges (unless Bob had previous).

If Bob closed-fist punched Joe and left him with a broken nose and two black eyes then it's more likely.

Thats partly why I think Will Smith knew exactly what he was doing to an extent (i.e. if he'd walked up and punched Rock in the mouth, then he might well end up being arrested)

[arista]

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[arista]

[The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
set to determine Friday whether Will Smith
will be stripped of his Best Actor Oscar
after slapping comedian Chris Rock on the show's stage]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10698067/Academy-completely-split-middle-meets-determine-Smith-loses-Oscar.html

[bots]

he has been banned from the oscars for 10 years

[The Slim Reaper]

If they've banned him for a decade, then it's likely he'll get his award stripped.

[Swan]

If they've banned him for a decade, then it's likely he'll get his award stripped.

That's ridiculous. He made a stupid mistake, he should get to keep his Oscar at least!

More overreaction in the modern world.

[GoldHeart]

That's ridiculous. He made a stupid mistake, he should get to keep his Oscar at least!

More overreaction in the modern world.

If his Oscar is taken away then it speaks volumes with Hollywood, as they're happy for Roman Polanski & Harvey Weinstein to keep their awards.

It's such ashame as this is Will Smith's first Oscar,and he's gone and ruined it . If they had to ban him then they should have just banned him for 1 year not 10 years .

[Beso]

Make him a male gay porn fluffer for 300 hours community service.

[bots]

The difference between Smith and the other names being mentioned is that Smith did it during the show, his actions were seen by millions in the here and now. The other people mentioned had actions in the dim and distant past. Under those circumstances, Smiths actions were always going to be more harshly dealt with

[Toy Soldier]

The difference between Smith and the other names being mentioned is that Smith did it during the show, his actions were seen by millions in the here and now. The other people mentioned had actions in the dim and distant past. Under those circumstances, Smiths actions were always going to be more harshly dealt with

This is why I think they MAY not strip the Oscar - I feel that the long ban, more than being for "what he did" - is because of how much he disrupted the event and the reputational damage caused. I don't think, for example, that he'd be getting such a long ban (or likely even a ban at all) if he'd run into Rock at an after-party event and hit him there... it's not about him hitting him... it's about him walking onto the stage and doing it (and then also, allegedly, refusing to leave).

[rusticgal]

It’s a long ban…and quite rightly so. They probably didn’t want to take his Oscar away which is why it’s a long ban.

[Cherie]

If they've banned him for a decade, then it's likely he'll get his award stripped.

They have already said this will not happen

[UserSince2005]

The award needs to be stripped

[GoldHeart]

The award needs to be stripped

No it does NOT

[Beso]

It’s a long ban…and quite rightly so. They probably didn’t want to take his Oscar away which is why it’s a long ban.

God knows where it's been by now anyway.