USA : Texas 19 students and 2 Teachers Killed (primary school)

[arista]

In a School

[14 children and one teacher have
been killed in a shooting at a primary
school in Texas, the state governor has said.]


https://news.sky.com/story/texas-shooting-14-children-and-one-teacher-killed-in-primary-school-shooting-12620763


https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-24-22/index.html


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-61573831

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sh1t

[rusticgal]

Oh dear…how sad.

[arista]

[Fourteen pupils and a teacher have been
killed in a school shooting in Texas
The shooting happened on Tuesday
at the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde,
around 70 miles west of San Antonio
The suspect was an 18-year-old male
called Salvador Ramos, Texas
Governor Greg Abbott says
He had a handgun, and possibly a rifle, Abbott adds
The suspect is dead, and
was believed to be killed by officers]



BBC link

[Jordan.]

Absolutely sickening, if only they cared about controlling guns as much as they do women's bodies.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/24/20/58236497-10850557-Footage_shot_outside_the_school_shows_law_enforcem ent_approachin-a-68_1653422338702.jpg

Police now have control

[arista]

[Texas gunman, 18, shoots dead 14 elementary
schoolkids, one teacher, and seriously
injures 13 - including
his grandmother: Worst elementary school
massacre since Sandy Hook in 2012

Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas,
confirmed on Tuesday afternoon that
14 students and one teacher were killed
in the shooting at an elementary school
in Uvalde
Abbott said that the gunman was
18-year-old Salvador Roma - but the name
was later clarified as Salvador Ramos
Ramos was shot and killed during
the shooting at Robb Elementary School: he is
believed to have been killed by
law enforcement officers
Ramos shot his grandmother
before heading to the school,
and was in a shootout with border
patrol agents before barricading himself
inside the school buildings
Uvalde Memorial Hospital confirmed that
two children were brought in dead
on arrival and that they were treating many more
The district said that the city's civic center
will be used as a reunification center and
that parents will be able to pick up their
children there]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10850557/Active-shooter-loose-Texas-elementary-school-campus-plunged-lockdown.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Obviously a nutter

[Jordan.]

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[jet]

Just horrific - what those poor kids parents will be going through doesn't bear thinking about....

[UserSince2005]

so sad 18 dead now. i'm actually currently in Texas :sad:

[Alf]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/24/20/58236497-10850557-Footage_shot_outside_the_school_shows_law_enforcem ent_approachin-a-68_1653422338702.jpg

Police now have controlJust imagine if that security had have been there permanently, just like it is for pretty much every other government building.

You get too many school shootings but rarely any in other government buildings but the other government buildings are defended while the Schools (where too many of these massacres happen) are left undefended. Who's doing the maths?

Private schools are heavily defended, public schools are sitting ducks unlike Politicians who are also heavily defended.

[Sticks]

Absolutely sickening, if only they cared about controlling guns as much as they do women's bodies.

So remove the weapons from law abiding citizens and allow the bad guys to have all the weapons they want, and they will get them.

If the teachers had been armed along with the pupils, that gunman would have been taken out sooner.

Guns don't kill people
Gun control laws and their advocates kill people.

Support your local branch of the NRA!

That was a party election broadcast by all politicians in the pocket, sorry supported by the NRA :whistle:

[bots]

When guns are freely available and can never be taken out of circulation there is a very good argument for arming up teachers and the like. The gun problem in america can't be tackled in the same way to a country where gun owners are in the minority

[UserSince2005]

Here in texas we are all so shocked. my texan friends are like family and have really taken this hard. i feel like a texan today.

[ThomasC]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/24/20/58236497-10850557-Footage_shot_outside_the_school_shows_law_enforcem ent_approachin-a-68_1653422338702.jpg

Police now have control

Very sad, but when will they learn!!

27th school shooting this year in America!!! And yet they will say it's their right to bare arms as an excuse for allowing anyone to go purchase a gun with no background checks.

On a side note, that cop is ridiculously HOT

[ThomasC]

So remove the weapons from law abiding citizens and allow the bad guys to have all the weapons they want, and they will get them.

If the teachers had been armed along with the pupils, that gunman would have been taken out sooner.

Guns don't kill people
Gun control laws and their advocates kill people.

Support your local branch of the NRA!

That was a party election broadcast by all politicians in the pocket, sorry supported by the NRA :whistle:

Yes remove guns from law abiding citizens. No reason to have one at all, END OF. **** your rights, it's no right, you do not need a gun!!!!!

This country will never learn, it's sickening

[ThomasC]

So remove the weapons from law abiding citizens and allow the bad guys to have all the weapons they want, and they will get them.

If the teachers had been armed along with the pupils, that gunman would have been taken out sooner.

Guns don't kill people
Gun control laws and their advocates kill people.

Support your local branch of the NRA!

That was a party election broadcast by all politicians in the pocket, sorry supported by the NRA :whistle:

Yes remove guns from law abiding citizens. No reason to have one at all, END OF. **** your rights, it's no right, you do not need a gun!!!!!

This country will never learn, it's sickening

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/24/22/58241245-10850557-image-a-5_1653428371419.jpg
[Salvador Ramos, 18, shot his grandmother before
going to Robb Elementary School in Uvalde;
engaging border patrol agents
nearby in a shootout; and then barricading himself
inside the school, killing 19 students and two teachers]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/24/23/58241873-10850557-image-a-18_1653430258113.jpg
[Ramos shared photos on social media of guns.
His account was taken down shortly after
Governor Greg Abbott confirmed his name]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/25/02/58244521-10850557-image-a-40_1653441058025.jpg

[Niamh.]

Absolutely sickening, if only they cared about controlling guns as much as they do women's bodies.Isn't that the truth.

This is so sad

[Cherie]

An elementary school, that is really young kids? So this isn’t a guy who was bullied at school and take his revenge scenario


Those poor kiddies

[bots]

7-10 year old kids. It's a particularly depraved individual that would go after them

[Jordan.]

So remove the weapons from law abiding citizens and allow the bad guys to have all the weapons they want, and they will get them.

If the teachers had been armed along with the pupils, that gunman would have been taken out sooner.

Guns don't kill people
Gun control laws and their advocates kill people.

Support your local branch of the NRA!

That was a party election broadcast by all politicians in the pocket, sorry supported by the NRA :whistle:

Sure start arming teachers and then when these nuts move onto new targets start arming those too and soon it'll just be a complete free for all, GREAT solution.

[arista]

Ramos, 18 bought his guns


Biden kept saying in God's Name....

But it is the Right for Americans
to Bear Arms.

When Covid started, there were loads
buying more guns

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/25/08/58257657-0-image-m-42_1653464855043.jpg

[Liam-]

As long as republicans put money and endorsement from the NRA and their rights to have fun above the rights of people to have their kids go to school and come home alive, things will never change

[arista]

As long as republicans put money and endorsement from the NRA and their rights to have fun above the rights of people to have their kids go to school and come home alive, things will never change

Democrats have Guns
as well.

[Oliver_W]

He broke a bunch of existing gun laws in order to do what he did, I'm not sure even more would have prevented it, not without an overhaul of the entire system. Maybe an overhaul would be in order, but there's no stomach for it in American politics.

The Dems are no better, endorsements notwithstanding. Oh, they'll play lip service, but they'll never put their money where their mouth is.

[arista]

[Texas school gunman 'shot 10-year-old girl dead
as she called 911':
Devastated relatives describe what they
know of heartbreaking final moments
of 19 children aged under 11 as they
were murdered by loner gunman, 18,
who told them 'you're going to die']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10852761/Texas-school-shooting-Hero-girl-shot-dead-tried-call-911.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Sticks was being sarcastic.

[Nicky91]

i have no words for this, other than ew

i saw this last night on CNN, right before we went to bed, i mean i just put CNN on usually the moment before i go to bed, if there is any latest news and coincidentally i saw this as ''breaking news'' on Jake Tapper's show

[Oliver_W]

i mean i just put CNN on usually the moment before i go to bed

Surefire cure for insomnia.

[Zizu]

I didn’t know that Andy Murray was one of the Dunblaine Massacre survivors !


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[Alf]

At least the Democrats now have something to run on for the mid-terms. There always seems to be a massacre leading up to elections. Strange phenomenon.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I didn’t know that Andy Murray was one of the Dunblaine Massacre survivors !


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yes he hid under a desk

[Kizzy]

Poor kids! Why kids? .. surely if he was disturbed enough to do this he was angry at someone, but children? :(

I read that angry young men are increasingly being indoctrinated into incel culture. This is a growing concern as a new form of terrorism.

[Alf]

Gun crime in the UK is rife.

Check out a YouTube video called Beef in Brum. And that's just in Birmingham. There's also London, Liverpool, Manchester, Bristol to name a few. Psychotic criminals for some bizarre reason don't tend to follow the law.

[Alf]

Poor kids! Why kids? .. surely if he was disturbed enough to do this he was angry at someone, but children? :(

I read that angry young men are increasingly being indoctrinated into incel culture. This is a growing concern as a new form of terrorism.If that's true then the best thing to do is disarm the law abiding citizens so that they can't defend themselves against these psychos.

That's sarcasm too Slim, only better.

[The Slim Reaper]

If that's true then the best thing to do is disarm the law abiding citizens so that they can't defend themselves against these psychos.

That's sarcasm too Slim, only better.

Statistically, gun owners are way more likely to use the gun on themselves as opposed to some movie film hero taking out the baddies.

There is absolutely no reason for citizens to own guns.

[Alf]

Statistically, gun owners are way more likely to use the gun on themselves as opposed to some movie film hero taking out the baddies.

There is absolutely no reason for citizens to own guns.You are correct on that statistic.

Hitler thought the same about German citizens not having guns. Most tyrants do. Much easier to control. The founding fathers knew this.

[The Slim Reaper]

You are correct on that statistic.

Hitler thought the same about German citizens not having guns. Most tyrants do. Much easier to control.

Hitler took guns from the Jews which were a tiny minority of the population, and unlikely to be able to defend themselves against the German people and the government, even if they were handed out like sweets in every synagogue.

The problem when you watch too much American rw commentary, is that you just end up regurgitating their nonsense without examination.

[Alf]

Hitler took guns from the Jews which were a tiny minority of the population, and unlikely to be able to defend themselves against the German people and the government, even if they were handed out like sweets in every synagogue.

The problem when you watch too much American rw commentary, is that you just end up regurgitating their nonsense without examination.Just theJews, that's OK then isn't it? It's just them who wouldn't be able to defend themselves, it's not like Hitler was then gonna go after them once they were disarmed.

Oh wait!

[The Slim Reaper]

Just theJews, that's OK then isn't it? It's just them who wouldn't be able to defend themselves, it's not like Hitler was then gonna go after them once they were disarmed.

Oh wait!

You're missing the point. Lets say he gave all jews an extra 3 guns each, the holocaust still happens in exactly the same way because there was a psychological prepping for it. Years of telling the german people that a minority of people were responsible for them losing the war and their post ww1 troubles.

Now, where exactly does that last part sound familiar?

[Alf]

You're missing the point. Lets say he gave all jews an extra 3 guns each, the holocaust still happens in exactly the same way because there was a psychological prepping for it. Years of telling the german people that a minority of people were responsible for them losing the war and their post ww1 troubles.

Now, where exactly does that last part sound familiar?Well not exactly the same way, there's gonna be resistance isn't there?

[Sticks]

I am waiting now for the accusation of bringing in Crisis Actors like the did at the "alleged" Sandy Hook shootings :bored:

[The Slim Reaper]

Well not exactly the same way, there's gonna be resistance isn't there?

Do you think no one tried resistance or had guns? Warsaw uprising?

It wasn't about one side having guns, when they had such overwhelming numbers. If you're worried about another nazi germany emerging, maybe looking at the kind of policies our own government is pursuing and has implemented should give you more cause for concern, and not being on the side of leaders that implement things like Muslim bans? Just a thought..

[Oliver_W]

the kind of policies our own government is pursuing and has implemented should give you more cause for concern,

Such as?

[The Slim Reaper]

Such as?

Criminalising protest.

Attacking human rights lawyers as left wing.

Taking over control of elections and the implementation of voter ID which overwhelmingly infringes on young people/students, and minorities (non trad tory voting groups) despite the fact voter fraud is not and has never been an issue.

Legalising police criminality.

Rwanda and the falsification of actual asylum rights, so that even people on here regularly repeat lies about first safe country.

Covid oligarchy.

Just to name a few things off the top of the dome.

[Alf]

Criminalising protest.

Attacking human rights lawyers as left wing.

Taking over control of elections and the implementation of voter ID which overwhelmingly infringes on young people/students, and minorities (non trad tory voting groups) despite the fact voter fraud is not and has never been an issue.

Legalising police criminality.

Rwanda and the falsification of actual asylum rights, so that even people on here regularly repeat lies about first safe country.

Covid oligarchy.

Just to name a few things off the top of the dome.Read the bill. They're not criminalising protests. They're protecting working people from going about their daily work from protesters who are deliberately disrupting them and putting them in danger.

As the so called workers party you'd think Labour would be all for protecting the workers, but apparently not. If they were criminalising protests then I'd be against that, but I read the bill and that's not what's happening.

[arista]

Poor kids! Why kids? .. surely if he was disturbed enough to do this he was angry at someone, but children? :(

I read that angry young men are increasingly being indoctrinated into incel culture. This is a growing concern as a new form of terrorism.


He was crazy
Easy targets

[The Slim Reaper]

Read the bill. They're not criminalising protests. They're protecting working people from going about their daily work from protesters who are deliberately disrupting them and putting them in danger.

As the so called workers party you'd think Labour would be all for protecting the workers, but apparently not. If they were criminalising protests then I'd be against that, but I read the bill and that's not what's happening.

Protest by it's nature is supposed to disrupt. Labour isn't a workers party anymore, but it's false to pretend that protecting workers is the aim of the bill, when you can end up with a 10 year prison sentence, just as civil unrest is on the cards over col crisis.

[UserSince2005]

send love to us here in texas pls.

[Zizu]

send love to us here in texas pls.


I’m sure the vast majority have already sent their good wishes / prayers


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[UserSince2005]

I’m sure the vast majority have already sent their good wishes / prayers


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yeah but to us that are here in the eye of the storm right now having to deal with the consequences of this barbaric act.

[Alf]

School shootings didn't take off with the frequency we see today until the 1990s. There were the odd incidents of school shootings before that but with nowhere near close the frequency we now see.

What went wrong?

[Alf]

This is a good twitter thread on the subject.


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[AnnieK]

So harrowing for everyone. Poor children, parents and the whole community :(

When I worked in the States in 98, we had a pool on the sub-division I lived on. A guy came there and shot his ex-girlfriend who was a lifeguard and then killed himself in front of loads of families and kids. It was horrific.

[Alf]

Holy Eartha Kitt



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[Crimson Dynamo]

Holy Eartha Kitt



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sickening

[Cherie]

Holy Eartha Kitt



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completely inappropriate tweet

[bots]

whatabout at it's best. He then does 3 further tweets that say nothing about the children and congratulates activism and calls for police reform

[user104658]

It’s clumsy but the “Social Media Outrage Story Reeee!!” flying around about this one is that he decided to completely randomly tweet about George Floyd.

May 25th is the 2 year anniversary of the George Floyd incident.

I suspect he wanted to tweet about that anniversary but thought it would be disrespectful not to acknowledge the school shooting.

Unfortunately as I said this was done very clumsily and has come across as looking like the opposite. But I don’t think that was the intent. Just terrible PR advice (if he’s still taking any). His best bet would have been to have two separate tweets in close succession, and also to not assume that people already know the significance of May 25th when mentioning George Floyd, as like I said it comes across as totally random if you don’t know it marks 2 years.

[Cherie]

It’s clumsy but the “Social Media Outrage Story Reeee!!” flying around about this one is that he decided to completely randomly tweet about George Floyd.

May 25th is the 2 year anniversary of the George Floyd incident.

I suspect he wanted to tweet about that anniversary but thought it would be disrespectful not to acknowledge the school shooting.

Unfortunately as I said this was done very clumsily and has come across as looking like the opposite. But I don’t think that was the intent. Just terrible PR advice (if he’s still taking any). His best bet would have been to have two separate tweets in close succession, and also to not assume that people already know the significance of May 25th when mentioning George Floyd, as like I said it comes across as totally random if you don’t know it marks 2 years.

He could have simply posted two separate tweets :shrug: lumping George Floyds two year anniversary into a tweet about the shooting of kids the day before is thoughtless at best, I think most people realised it was the anniversary from the tweet

also the shooting was on the 24th so they dont even share an anniversary

[user104658]

He could have simply posted two separate tweets :shrug: lumping George Floyds two year anniversary into a tweet about the shooting of kids the day before is thoughtless at best, I think most people realised it was the anniversary from the tweet


Well yes I did say, the best thing would have been to make it a completely standalone tweet and simply opened with “On May 25th, 2020…” etc.

There’s still have been inevitable kickback, because… well… it’s social media, however the way it’s been done looks like it’s trying to equate the two or draw some sort of comparison. I doubt that was the intent but I’m also confused about how it slipped through when (presumably?) he isn’t just throwing about tweets Trump-style - I would have thought Obama would have his tweets PR checked. If he even writes them in the first place.

[user104658]

also the shooting was on the 24th so they dont even share an anniversary


Yes but the tweet was made on the 25th… I imagine that’s the whole reason the tweet ended up being this clumsy to be honest; they were worried about making the school shooting “yesterdays news” by not acknowledging it. But it was handled very messily.

[Cherie]

Yes but the tweet was made on the 25th… I imagine that’s the whole reason the tweet ended up being this clumsy to be honest; they were worried about making the school shooting “yesterdays news” by not acknowledging it. But it was handled very messily.

surprised he waited a day to tweet about the shooting

[bots]

the implication is that he didn't give a crap about the school shooting 1) He didnt tweet about it on the day, 2) From the additional tweets it's obvious that the floyd anniversary was his only focus.

I don't think it was clumsy, i just don't think he cared about the shooting. Thinking back to when he was president, i dont think he gave much of a crap when those type of events happened then either

[Alf]

I will say that he probably didn't make the tweet personally, he probably has a social media team. Although of course I don't know that, I'm just guessing.

[user104658]

Your wait is getting close to being over.


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The pic on the left is fake (not the same person) Alf.

In answer to the question, I don’t find it that weird that he could afford it. Apparently he had a job, and he lived with family so no outgoings. Could have saved that in 6 months no problem even with a crappy wage… amazing how far money goes if you don’t have mortgage/rent/bills/food to think about.

Lots of 18 year olds own their own car, for example, so it’s not a stretch that he could have saved for and bought rifles.

[user104658]

Regardless, the shooter didn't get his weapons through legal means, so why should we assume he spent the retail price?


To be fair if he bought them illegitimately they’d have cost more, not less.

[Alf]

The pic on the left is fake (not the same person) Alf.

In answer to the question, I don’t find it that weird that he could afford it. Apparently he had a job, and he lived with family so no outgoings. Could have saved that in 6 months no problem even with a crappy wage… amazing how far money goes if you don’t have mortgage/rent/bills/food to think about.

Lots of 18 year olds own their own car, for example, so it’s not a stretch that he could have saved for and bought rifles.Maybe so, worth investigating though. It's not an unreasonable question to be inquisitive about.

Rumours say he was unemployed and lived with his Grandma. Whether that's true or not I don't know.

[Oliver_W]

Holy Eartha Kitt



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Totally tone-deaf. If he wanted to invoke the death of a career criminal at the hands of a police officer in order to make some kind of point, that's fine; but leave the murder of innocent children out of it.

[Vanessa]

This is horrible. Those poor kids :bawling:
They need much stricter gun control laws.
How is a teen able to buy so many weapons without any background checks?

[arista]

One Kid, Jose Flores Jr was 10. Shot up so bad

The Dad asked the Police if he could see the body
but they advised him not to, as his son was not recognisable.

Jose wanted to be a Policeman.


Just Live on CNN HD

[arista]

"The pic on the left is fake (not the same person) Alf."


Yes,
Typical of Alf.

[The Slim Reaper]

the implication is that he didn't give a crap about the school shooting 1) He didnt tweet about it on the day, 2) From the additional tweets it's obvious that the floyd anniversary was his only focus.

I don't think it was clumsy, i just don't think he cared about the shooting. Thinking back to when he was president, i dont think he gave much of a crap when those type of events happened then either

Just blatantly and demonstrably false. I'm no Obama fan, but come on dude.

[user104658]

Maybe so, worth investigating though. It's not an unreasonable question to be inquisitive about.

Rumours say he was unemployed and lived with his Grandma. Whether that's true or not I don't know.

I've also heard reports say that his co-workers described him as often being angry/aggressive/making concerning comments which would suggest he had a job...

[Oliver_W]

I heard he lived with his mum and stepdad :shrug:

[Alf]

"The pic on the left is fake (not the same person) Alf."


Yes,
Typical of Alf.I didn't post the picture, I just shared the tweet. I don't know how I could remove the picture from the tweet. The picture wasn't the point I was highlighting, I was highlighting that people are asking questions to how he was able to afford the guns.

It's not a news article, it's just a tweeter raising a point which I thought was worth sharing.

I'm not your enemy.

[arista]

"I just shared the tweet"


Yes with a Fake Photo

Typical of Alf

[Alf]

"I just shared the tweet"


Yes with a Fake Photo

Typical of AlfI can't explain myself anymore than I have so Crack on.

[Beso]

Video gaming must be a factor in all these shootings.

[Jordan.]

I didn't post the picture, I just shared the tweet. I don't know how I could remove the picture from the tweet. The picture wasn't the point I was highlighting, I was highlighting that people are asking questions to how he was able to afford the guns.

It's not a news article, it's just a tweeter raising a point which I thought was worth sharing.

I'm not your enemy.

They weren't making any point they were just trying to start a (bad) conspiracy theory that can instantly be debunked by the fact they didn't even post real photos or care to consider the shooter had financial income. Third eye dusty as ever Alf.

[user104658]

Video gaming must be a factor in all these shootings.


This has been pretty conclusively proven not to be the case. The Internet is a huge factor though… the hatred and indoctrination that goes on online is completely warping so many young peoples mindsets in all sorts of ways.

[Alf]

They weren't making any point they were just trying to start a (bad) conspiracy theory that can instantly be debunked by the fact they didn't even post real photos or care to consider the shooter had financial income. Third eye dusty as ever Alf.Because I seem to have triggered a few people by sharing a tweet and because I'm a good person, I will ease your stress by deleting the post and then hopefully you will be able to move on. Arne't I good to you?

[Alf]

There, it's gone.

[Alf]

Let's start again.

So I wonder how this 18 year old was able to afford a couple of expensive guns?

Would you like to give your reply again TS?

[Alf]

So pedantic.

[Jordan.]

So I wonder how this 18 year old was able to afford a couple of expensive guns?

He had a job. Of course you're behind on the facts because you rely on nameless twitter accounts that can't even post real photos to do the fact checking for you.

[Alf]

He had a job. Of course you're behind on the facts because you rely on nameless twitter accounts that can't even post real photos to do the fact checking for you.I rely on you too. You've shown me zero confirmation that the picture isn't real. I'm trusting what you're telling me.

[arista]

Let's start again.

So I wonder how this 18 year old was able to afford a couple of expensive guns?

Would you like to give your reply again TS?


His Parents

[Alf]

His ParentsWhere did you hear that from?

Make your explanation extremely good or I'll set Jordan on you.

[arista]

Where did you hear that from?

Make your explanation extremely good or I'll set Jordan on you.


Jordan is Fine

[Alf]

Jordan is FineSo where is the confirmation that he got his gun money from his parents?

[Alf]

I don't make many friends but I do have a good laugh.

[Cherie]

He probably put it on a credit card?

[Nicky91]

what was his motive?

i mean there always is a motive, there had been one in the columbine school massacre (the gunmen there were victims of bullying and school who basically did nothing about that)

not saying i fully want to talk the shootings right but like with columbine that was one which could've been prevented if only they reached out to those kids a tiny bit more but doing nothing proved to be a fatal mistake there



if this shooter here had mental health problems, maybe he wasn't on medication, as for the guns, well yes guns should be banned of course, but guns aren't the problem, it is the ones who carry them

[Alf]

He probably put it on a credit card?This is no place for probably. We want you to be 100% legitimate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I saw a pic of him wearing a dress

:umm2:

[Alf]

I saw a pic of him wearing a dress

:umm2:Jordan said it isn't real so that's the end of it.

[Jordan.]

I rely on you too. You've shown me zero confirmation that the picture isn't real. I'm trusting what you're telling me.

If you can't use your brain at least use your eyes Alf.

[Alf]

If you can't use your brain at least use your eyes Alf.My eyes are as bad as my brain. I'm falling apart with age. It'll happen to you one day

[bots]

there are literally at least a hundred different ways he could have got hold of the guns legitimately. If people want something, they get it. The issue is why did he want to shoot little kids in a school and dont be distracted by noise

[Alf]

there are literally at least a hundred different ways he could have got hold of the guns legitimately. If people want something, they get it. The issue is why did he want to shoot little kids in a school and dont be distracted by noiseAnd the question raised is, I wonder which one of the hundred ways it was that he got the money to afford the guns?

The investigators will be investigating that even if you don't want too.

[user104658]

I saw a pic of him wearing a dress

:umm2:


That’s been debunked LT, the picture is of someone else off Reddit (who is still active so definitely not them). Just happens to look a lot like the shooter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess you shoot young kids because they cant fight back

[user104658]

I guess you shoot young kids because they cant fight back


Not many people can realistically fight back against an assault rifle.

I’ve been wrestling all day with why someone would target young kids like this. Not that any shooting is ever understandable but you can at least trace back the rhetoric that’s radicalised someone against a race, religion, women etc and with high school shootings it’s often a peer who has snapped after years of feeling marginalised and frustrated (alongside then usually being taken under the wing of certain people online and radicalised). But little kids? How does someone even in their own broken mind justify that as a target?

The only answer I can come up with in this case is that he simply targeted kids because he wanted it to be as awful and shocking as possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not many people can realistically fight back against an assault rifle.

I’ve been wrestling all day with why someone would target young kids like this. Not that any shooting is ever understandable but you can at least trace back the rhetoric that’s radicalised someone against a race, religion, women etc and with high school shootings it’s often a peer who has snapped after years of feeling marginalised and frustrated (alongside then usually being taken under the wing of certain people online and radicalised). But little kids? How does someone even in their own broken mind justify that as a target?

The only answer I can come up with in this case is that he simply targeted kids because he wanted it to be as awful and shocking as possible.

Like Dunblane he wanted to hurt as much as he could for twisted revenge

[bots]

there are a lot of similar type of events. There was one here in the last year or so where a guy just picked people off at random including a father with his little daughter. If we look back further there was the hungerford massacre where he mostly shot unknown people indiscriminately

[Oliver_W]

The boy in the dress since posted it's not him.

[Cherie]

This is no place for probably. We want you to be 100% legitimate.

well I would assume they will find out from where he bought it

[Alf]

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[Alf]

Here's a thread on twitter of claims that the cops did nothing and stopped parents from helping their children.

I don't know who this tweeter (Matt Novak) is and remember it's only the take he's giving.

There's a few posts in this thread by him so click on the tweet to read the rest and let us know your take on it.


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Texas cops face backlash for taking an HOUR to get into classroom where shooter was
slaughtering 19 kids - while 150 officers were gathered outside telling parents 'we're
taking care of it'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10857101/Texas-school-shooting-cops-restrained-parents-trying-save-kids.html

[Oliver_W]

The cops sat with their thumbs up their ass while rioters burned cities, who'd expect them to have the balls to face someone endangering children?

[arista]

One Husband
of one of the Dead Teachers
has died of a Heart Attack.

There was one
Armed Guard
at the entrance,


Ch4HDnews.

[Mystic Mock]

Video gaming must be a factor in all these shootings.

It really isn't.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

This has been pretty conclusively proven not to be the case. The Internet is a huge factor though… the hatred and indoctrination that goes on online is completely warping so many young peoples mindsets in all sorts of ways.

Personally if people are falling into radical ideology then I think it's irresponsible family members & possibly Teachers at School who are spouting dangerous stuff to these eventual shooters when they're children.

Because let's be honest if everything was okay with this person in their real world, they wouldn't have been falling into a bad crowd on the Internet.

Imo Video Games, Social Media & other mediums are being scapegoated imo for the fact that someone is mentally wrong in the head.

[ThomasC]

Where did you hear that from?

Make your explanation extremely good or I'll set Jordan on you.

Awwww.

I think this has just got out of hand.

I'm the only man who sets Jordan off btw :nono:

[Alf]

One Husband
of one of the Dead Teachers
has died of a Heart Attack.

There was one
Armed Guard
at the entrance,


Ch4HDnews.The teacher and her husband who had a fatal heart attack had four kids. Tragic. Hear your mother has been shot dead and then your father dies of a heart attack just horrific.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The teacher and her husband who had a fatal heart attack had four kids. Tragic. Hear your mother has been shot dead and then your father dies of a heart attack just horrific.

It's unthinkable what is going on that poor household

[Oliver_W]

From what I've read online there's not even any proof he was radicalised online in any way, and he barely seemed to have an online footprint.

Sometimes they really are just like wolf nutters.

[Mystic Mock]

RIP to the Husband.

This is a tragic situation tbh, just like the Buffalo Shooting.

[ThomasC]

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Madness so you can purchase a rifle or shot gun, but you can't purchase a hand gun

Wtf.

It's Texas though so what you expect. They still allow the death penalty

[Crimson Dynamo]

Madness so you can purchase a rifle or shot gun, but you can't purchase a hand gun

Wtf.

It's Texas though so what you expect. They still allow the death penalty

Thankfully the shooter already got the death penalty so he won't be able to play call of duty in jail and brag about what he did to inmates and TV crews

[Oliver_W]

I heard he lived with his mum and stepdad :shrug:

(I was wrong about this, he did live with his grandparents, but he also had a mum and stepdad)

[Alf]

(I was wrong about this, he did live with his grandparents, but he also had a mum and stepdad)I heard his mother was a Junkie. He shot his grandmother didn't he?

[Oliver_W]

I heard his mother was a Junkie. He shot his grandmother didn't he?

I hadn't heard of his mother being a junkie, but yeah he shot his granny. Allegedly over an argument about wifi?! Without having looked into it I'd guess someone online made that up to be funny and it got Chinese Whispered into the narrative?
But the truck belonged to his grandparents.

[Zizu]

I hadn't heard of his mother being a junkie, but yeah he shot his granny. Allegedly over an argument about wifi?! Without having looked into it I'd guess someone online made that up to be funny and it got Chinese Whispered into the narrative?
But the truck belonged to his grandparents.


When did he shoot his grandmother ?


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[Alf]

When did he shoot his grandmother ?


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[Oliver_W]

When did he shoot his grandmother ?


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Before heading to the school, and apparently after an altercation of some kind.

[Mystic Mock]

This guy sounds really messed up.

For me I wonder what made this guy come to the conclusion to shoot up a School, even for some real twisted individuals out there this would be seen as an horrific act.

So what made him break? Like Trey Sesler's shooting years ago, this is a fascinating case in a morbid but different way.

[arista]

There is a Great Deal of anger at the Police
who took too long to arrive,
and left the killer in a classroom
who was shooting each child one by one.

It was not blocked off.


CNN HD

Also Some Doors in the School , were meant to be locked
they were not.


[Uvalde shooting: Texas school gunman 'walked in unobstructed']
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61600914

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

It's almost quaint to see a gunman who's just disturbed, without any apparent agenda or anything...

[user104658]

It's almost quaint to see a gunman who's just disturbed, without any apparent agenda or anything...

Apparent agenda no but clear path to extremism, absolutely. "Isolated young men online making rape threats/violent revenge fantasies" is what modern extremism looks like, and is increasingly the profile of what amounts to terrorism. We had one of these in the UK just last year, near identical, although he didn't target a school.

Look at the messages he's sending and the rhetoric used. This guy has been 100% sucked into the violent, frustrated "manosphere" and radicalised by it. It's an absolutely massive problem and it's going nowhere until the world actually takes off the blinkers and realises what they're looking at. It's going to keep happening. It's not about gun laws or mental health service improvements, it's online indoctrination to a new form of extremism... full stop.

[Alf]

Apparent agenda no but clear path to extremism, absolutely. "Isolated young men online making rape threats/violent revenge fantasies" is what modern extremism looks like, and is increasingly the profile of what amounts to terrorism. We had one of these in the UK just last year, near identical, although he didn't target a school.

Look at the messages he's sending and the rhetoric used. This guy has been 100% sucked into the violent, frustrated "manosphere" and radicalised by it. It's an absolutely massive problem and it's going nowhere until the world actually takes off the blinkers and realises what they're looking at. It's going to keep happening. It's not about gun laws or mental health service improvements, it's online indoctrination to a new form of extremism... full stop.I don't think the numbers add up for that to be the main cause. I hear over 80% of these school shootings come from people who have come from broken families. That's a concerning number. The increase in school shootings has risen dramatically since the 1990s when the divorce rate really took off to what it was before then. A lack of a father figure in the home stands out in most of these cases.

[user104658]

I don't think the numbers add up for that to be the main cause. I hear over 80% of these school shootings come from people who have come from broken families. That's a concerning number. The increase in school shootings has risen dramatically since the 1990s when the divorce rate really took off to what it was before then. A lack of a father figure in the house in most cases stands out in most of these cases.

It's all part of the same thing though Alf, the people you''re describing are particularly vulnerable to being taken in by these violent/extreme online groups and ideologies. Frustrated young people from broken homes, lacking in role models, easily taken under the wing of "big bro"-type figures who will validate their feelings of anger and frustration at the world and nudge them towards channeling it in more specific ways. Nihilism. Blackpilling. Male power fantasies/violence/rape/murder.

This used to be niche/mainly confined to places like Reddit but now it is absolutely ****ing everywhere. All over mainstream social media like Twitter and TikTok, really snowballing in the last few months.

[arista]

It's almost quaint to see a gunman who's just disturbed, without any apparent agenda or anything...


I am sure
from his own Computer/Laptop they
will find an Evil Connection.


He went for an Easy Target no one to fight him
little kids shot one by one.


As Stupid Police
stayed outside????????


It is Good the Killer was shot dead
just stupid of the Police to not get in their faster


They are saying he entered via an Un Locked door?


Such a Stink on this whole case

[user104658]

They are saying he entered via an Un Locked door?


Such a Stink on this whole case

I don't think that's massively unusual. In Scotland (since the Dunblane shooting) it became mandatory that primary schools only have one primary entrance point (with an "air lock" so anyone coming in has to be allowed in by staff) and all other doors should be inaccessible from the outside at all times.

...at my daughter's school, the fire exits were constantly propped open with chairs during summer. Anyone could have jumped the fence (only waist height) and walked right into the classrooms.

[arista]

"I don't think that's massively unusual."



In USA Schools all doors are meant to be Locked
They enforced that ruling,
after so many other School Killers got in.

[Alf]

It's all part of the same thing though Alf, the people you''re describing are particularly vulnerable to being taken in by these violent/extreme online groups and ideologies. Frustrated young people from broken homes, lacking in role models, easily taken under the wing of "big bro"-type figures who will validate their feelings of anger and frustration at the world and nudge them towards channeling it in more specific ways. Nihilism. Blackpilling. Male power fantasies/violence/rape/murder.

This used to be niche/mainly confined to places like Reddit but now it is absolutely ****ing everywhere. All over mainstream social media like Twitter and TikTok, really snowballing in the last few months.But I assume the amount of people using online groups is in the millions, while the numbers of people acting out on things like School shootings is nowhere even close to near that, it's probably less than the hundreds. So that would say that most people can control themselves. The television and the rhetoric of TV personalities and politicians would be just as influential if not more influential than people chatting with each other online. I'm not saying it's not a problem in some cases but I don't think it's nowhere near the main problem.

[rusticgal]

I don't think that's massively unusual. In Scotland (since the Dunblane shooting) it became mandatory that primary schools only have one primary entrance point (with an "air lock" so anyone coming in has to be allowed in by staff) and all other doors should be inaccessible from the outside at all times.

...at my daughter's school, the fire exits were constantly propped open with chairs during summer. Anyone could have jumped the fence (only waist height) and walked right into the classrooms.


Exactly...if you want to get into a school...you can get into one with little difficulty. A locked is no deterrant.

[arista]

Exactly...if you want to get into a school...you can get into one with little difficulty. A locked is no deterrant.


In the USA a Locked door
would have stopped him.

[rusticgal]

In the USA a Locked door
would have stopped him.


Didn't he shoot at the windows....he could have got in that way. He could shoot the lock out....a locked gate/door is a deterrent thats all.

[arista]

Didn't he shoot at the windows....he could have got in that way. He could shoot the lock out....a locked gate/door is a deterrent thats all.

The Windows would give a Great warning

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

The time for gun reform may well be long overdue - but guns are so deeply embedded in American culture that tightening up a few laws just won't work. Despite their impotent bluster, even the Dems don't really want to do it.

(Not saying nothing should be done, but it would be a long and hard road)

[arista]

Police Outside Conference
now on all media.

Col.Steven McCraw Director, Texas Dept., of Public Safety

Is trying to justify why they were slow
to go in.
He is reading paperwork

[arista]

McCraw is getting Angry Press shouting loud back at him.
No he is crying.


He will not answer how many students died
while the slow cops got the janitor with key?

They should have Blown the Door
got in there, with their hand held Shield ,and killed the Evil Killer FAST


Then some kids would still be alive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[MTVN]

Police ****ed up and its a terrible thing, that will always rest heavy on their conscience now but its not easy to know how to react to something like this as its unfolding. Nothing can prepare you for that

[Cherie]

Police ****ed up and its a terrible thing, that will always rest heavy on their conscience now but its not easy to know how to react to something like this as its unfolding. Nothing can prepare you for that

No and with such young kids involved, it was also an unfortunate situation with the doors which would normally be locked unlocked

[bots]

it's pretty grim that the police were handcuffing and pepper spraying the parents who wanted them to save their children. That police chief was obviously on the back foot when he was challenged on the facts. The first thing that should happen is that he is removed from his position

[Alf]

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[Oliver_W]

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Who even said he was poor?

[Alf]

Who even said he was poor?Nobody, but what's been heard so far is that he's either unemployed or he worked at Wendy's (fast food) His father is out of the picture and his mother is a junkie. It's a fair question to want to know how and where an 18 year old with that background got his weapons and ammo from and how he was able to pay for them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nobody, but what's been heard so far is that he's either unemployed or he worked at Wendy's (fast food) His father is out of the picture and his mother is a junkie. It's a fair question to want to know how and where an 18 year old with that background got his weapons and ammo from and how he was able to pay for them?

i reckon he stole the grannies credit card

[Alf]

i reckon he stole the grannies credit cardBut I'm not sure he'd have been able to purchase guns with somebody else's credit card. You have to do background checks and things. The granny would maybe have to had been present at the purchase.

[bots]

i just don't think it's relevant how he got the guns. If someone is intent on shooting up a place, they will get the guns they need. It's not like firearms are hard to obtain in america. Same with the gun laws, they are completely irrelevant when there are so many illegal paths to getting firearms

[Alf]

i just don't think it's relevant how he got the guns. If someone is intent on shooting up a place, they will get the guns they need. It's not like firearms are hard to obtain in america. Same with the gun laws, they are completely irrelevant when there are so many illegal paths to getting firearmsYou don't think it's relevant how a murderer obtained the weapons he carried out his crime with?

What if he purchased them illegaly? Wouldn't it be worth investigating who sold them to him so maybe they could stop them selling to the next murderer?

[user104658]

Nobody, but what's been heard so far is that he's either unemployed or he worked at Wendy's (fast food) His father is out of the picture and his mother is a junkie. It's a fair question to want to know how and where an 18 year old with that background got his weapons and ammo from and how he was able to pay for them?


Even if he worked in fast food it would take less than 6 months to save up a few thousand dollars (with no outgoings).

[user104658]

If he bought them illegally it was probably online and paying in crypto. Not really traceable.

[arista]

Worse

Reports the Texas Police Went into that school
to pull out their own children



Ref : Headliners, 11pm One Hour Newspaper Review
GBnewsHD

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-dec416b8-4b2c-4b11-93e9-41357cd76278.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[Alf]

Worse

Reports the Texas Police Went into that school
to pull out their own children



Ref : Headliners, 11pm One Hour Newspaper Review
GBnewsHDThis is getting to be very benificial for the "defund the Police" mob as well as the "ban the guns" mob, when it comes to, who benifits from the crime?

[Alf]

It ain't rocket science. The American people need their President to help the American people. If their own President won't help them then who will?

You could pay to have 5 armed guards for a year, in every school in the country for less than the 40 million of American taxpayers money that Biden has give to Ukraine.

Biden likes guns when they're for wars, those people like wars. They just don't like guns when they're for the American citizens to defend themselves.



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[Alf]

:crazy:


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[bots]

You don't think it's relevant how a murderer obtained the weapons he carried out his crime with?

What if he purchased them illegaly? Wouldn't it be worth investigating who sold them to him so maybe they could stop them selling to the next murderer?

i think it would be relevant in a country with proper gun controls, which doesn't apply in america

[Alf]

i think it would be relevant in a country with proper gun controls, which doesn't apply in americaChicago has strict gun control laws and that's the gun crime capital of the Western World.

So while your ideas sound good on paper and make you look and sound like you're caring, the reality is a totally different outcome.

[Oliver_W]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was some kind of set-up, it sure gives the Dems plenty of ammo for the midterms, and as always, trusting government or mainstream media is a rookie mistake.

Does that mean I think it was set up? No, but I certainly wouldn't be naïve enough to rule it out.

[bots]

it doesn't need to be set up, these events happen frequently enough that they would know one would be along shortly

I just don't empathise with american gun culture, but the dems arent going to change it. They had 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama and now 4 years again. If they can't change it in that time, they never will.

The upshot is that protecting kids at school costs money which means less profit for someone. So thats the end of that.

Trump was correct, inner city schools do have less problems and those authorities are overwhelmingly democrat run so he pretty much shot himself in the foot with that observation

[arista]

This was a Coward
he could kill small children
as they are not able to fight back.


The Police admit they
failed to go in right away
which would have saved lives.

[MTVN]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was some kind of set-up, it sure gives the Dems plenty of ammo for the midterms, and as always, trusting government or mainstream media is a rookie mistake.

Does that mean I think it was set up? No, but I certainly wouldn't be naïve enough to rule it out.

What do you mean a set up? 19 kids are dead

[Liam-]

****ing hell, we’re actually at the point where 19 kids being murdered is being labelled as a ‘set up’ all to help lefties, wtaf is happening

[Alf]

****ing hell, we’re actually at the point where 19 kids being murdered is being labelled as a ‘set up’ all to help lefties, wtaf is happeningThere's some dodgy things about it like the door being propped open when it's supposed to be closed. The fact Police did nothing and instead handcuffed and tasered parents outside. The fact that this loser had thousands of pounds worth of weaponry. The fact he was known to the FBI.

You being angry about people speculating about things not adding up yet means nothing. People are allowed to speculate.

[Alf]

What do you mean a set up? 19 kids are deadThousands died in the World trade centre attack, lots of people think that was a set-up.

[Zizu]

Chicago has strict gun control laws and that's the gun crime capital of the Western World.

So while your ideas sound good on paper and make you look and sound like you're caring, the reality is a totally different outcome.


This monster would have gotten a gun somehow .. I have no idea what the solution is .

I do know that guns are banned in England yet almost 50 Manchester gangs ( out of 176 known gangs ) have easy access to all manner of guns .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Thousands died in the World trade centre attack, lots of people think that was a set-up.

Many more died in the Iraq war and that really was a set up

[Alf]

Many more died in the Iraq war and that really was a set upExactly.

If they can't control the narrative and stop people from speculating on news stories, they get real angry.

[arista]

How Clever of a little girl.
She smeared blood over her
and laid still.
The Evil Killer walked past her

From CNN HD interview

[Alf]

How Clever of a little girl.
She smeared blood over her
and laid still.
The Evil Killer walked past her

From CNN HD interviewSlow CNN.

I heard that story two days ago. CNN are behind the times.

[arista]

Slow CNN.

I heard that story two days ago. CNN are behind the times.

They are not slow at all.


Silly
they got an interview

I heard about that day after


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/robb-shooting-survivor-miah-cerrillo/index.html

[arista]

[CNN: An 11-year-old survivor of the
Robb Elementary School massacre in Uvalde,
Texas, feared the gunman would
come back for her so she smeared herself
in her friend's blood and played dead.
Miah Cerrillo spoke exclusively to CNN about
her horrific experience that day
inside the classroom where the mass shooting
took place that killed 19 of her
classmates and two of her teachers.
Miah said she and her classmates were
watching the movie "Lilo and Stitch" in a
classroom shared by two teachers,
Eva Mireles and Irma Garcia.
The students were finished with their lessons
when the teachers got word there
was a shooter in the building,
she told CNN's "New Day."]

[arista]

People doing a Demo
outside NRA Conference.


It was booked to start
why should it not.

Inside Trump Read all the Children's name.
With a Church Bell after them


Ted Cruz in there as well

[Alf]

People doing a Demo
outside NRA Conference.


It was booked to start
why should it not.

Inside Trump Read all the Children's name.
With a Church Bell after them


Ted Cruz in there as wellTrump's doing a rally tonight in Wyoming.

Live on here


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[Crimson Dynamo]

People doing a Demo
outside NRA Conference.


It was booked to start
why should it not.

Inside Trump Read all the Children's name.
With a Church Bell after them


Ted Cruz in there as well

he gets money from the NRA

[Mystic Mock]

What do you mean a set up? 19 kids are dead

I'm interested as well.

If this was a set up, I seriously hope that the people that did set it up are put in jail for a very long time as this would be a disgusting thing for any politician to set up.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT1HfsSX0AI8aDZ?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT0jG6DWQAMPtsw?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

The Online Paper

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT0IxxrWQAEwssI?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT1fmQbXoAAfQuk?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Alf]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT0jG6DWQAMPtsw?format=jpg&name=smallWhy was Governor Abbott livid? He was misled.

By whom?


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[arista]

It took the Border Swat Police
to go in and Kill this Evil killer.

Meanwhile, Swat and Police stand outside?
(Swat have Bullet Proof hand held Big Shields 2 cops can stay behind
them while shooting at the killer)

One Politician Live on CNN HD
said some Police chiefs must be fired.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did the teachers not have guns in their desks?

[arista]

Did the teachers not have guns in their desks?


No

[Sticks]

Did the teachers not have guns in their desks?

That is the NRA solution

The problem with gun controls is that the bad guys still get them, and the good guys are left utterly defenceless.

Guns Don't Kill people
Gun Control laws and their advocates kill people
Only a matter of time before the NRA adopts that as their slogan, as that is effectively what they say.

[bots]

Whats the point in having gun controls when they are not enforceable. Anyone who wants a gun can get a gun in the usa. Everybody outside america criticises the nra, but it represents a huge proportion of americans

[Zizu]

Whats the point in having gun controls when they are not enforceable. Anyone who wants a gun can get a gun in the usa. Everybody outside america criticises the nra, but it represents a huge proportion of americans


Exactly !

We can’t even control the gun situation in bladdy Manchester !


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[Oliver_W]

What do you mean a set up? 19 kids are dead

****ing hell, we’re actually at the point where 19 kids being murdered is being labelled as a ‘set up’ all to help lefties, wtaf is happening

I'm interested as well.

If this was a set up, I seriously hope that the people that did set it up are put in jail for a very long time as this would be a disgusting thing for any politician to set up.

It isn't I who thinks it's a set up, I just wouldn't rule it out, with how crooked all polticians are.
I don't think it was, I think the Dems see it as a happy coincidence which they can exploit, to use to bolster their false promises on the election trail.

[Oliver_W]

No-one would (should) deny that something needs to change in the States, but it won't be easy, and it won't be achievable with a few extra restrictions. And it certainly won't be any time soon.

[Alf]

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[Mystic Mock]

It isn't I who thinks it's a set up, I just wouldn't rule it out, with how crooked all polticians are.
I don't think it was, I think the Dems see it as a happy coincidence which they can exploit, to use to bolster their false promises on the election trail.

Oh I agree sadly that Politicians are gonna use this situation to gain votes.

[arista]

President Biden is now there.

[Zizu]

President Biden is now there.


Does he know that ?


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[arista]

CNN HD Live

The Police are now saying the Killer got in
the back door that was closed
but it was not locked?

Which is strange
Was the door not working properly?

[Zizu]

CNN HD Live

The Police are now saying the Killer got in
the back door that was closed
but it was not locked?

Which is strange
Was the door not working properly?


I hope they don’t drop all this on a poor caretaker / janitor !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Ben Shapiro
1 day ago


So the Uvalde shooter was on video carrying around a bag of dead cats. Sounds
like the solution is to remove the guns of 100 million law abiding Americans,
not to work on targeting those with red flags.

[Swan]

My friend just told me they sell Bulletproof Backpacks for kids in the US, they call them 'Safe Packs'.

So messed up.

[arista]

Ben Shapiro
1 day ago


So the Uvalde shooter was on video carrying around a bag of dead cats. Sounds
like the solution is to remove the guns of 100 million law abiding Americans,
not to work on targeting those with red flags.



Yes the Signs were all there

What Still has not been Answered
is why the Police let him Shoot small children
one by one, they just let the Evil Killer carry on?


Such a Massive Stink on the Police

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FULd8nsXoAA8Qr-?format=jpg&name=small

[GoldHeart]

My friend just told me they sell Bulletproof Backpacks for kids in the US, they call them 'Safe Packs'.

So messed up.

I'm never going to America

[Zizu]

I'm never going to America


It’s just like any other country in many respects. .. fabulous places and grim ones


I love Ocoee , Kissimmee and the like in Orlando where our son lives .. it’s almost like heaven compared to Manchester


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[bots]

it was always going to be a tragedy, but the police appear to be directly responsible for the scale of the tragedy, and thats not acceptable

That dead cat side show is not relevant. You dont lock someone up for having a bag of dead cats, you dont lock them up in a mental institution. How was that a red flag to him shooting up a school? Complete nonsense

[GoldHeart]

It’s just like any other country in many respects. .. fabulous places and grim ones


I love Ocoee , Kissimmee and the like in Orlando where our son lives .. it’s almost like heaven compared to Manchester


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Oh I know there's risky dangerous places everywhere including here in the UK,but the high crime areas I won't be going to those places ever.

And there's far too many guns in America, here in the UK we'll never have that big a problem ...when it comes to
firearms. It's just a fact.

[Kazanne]

It’s just like any other country in many respects. .. fabulous places and grim ones


I love Ocoee , Kissimmee and the like in Orlando where our son lives .. it’s almost like heaven compared to Manchester


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Love Kissimmee Zizu, I love America in general, the gun culture is scarey, but to be honest it's humans that are the weapons really ,we are a very dangerous animal to our own and to others.

[Zizu]

Love Kissimmee Zizu, I love America in general, the gun culture is scarey, but to be honest it's humans that are the weapons really ,we are a very dangerous animal to our own and to others.


Oh I forgot Disney Springs :)


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[Alf]

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[Swan]

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Tbf Ukraine are in the middle of a war, which is really why a Semi Automatic Rifle is produced.

Actual hunters won't be using Semi Automatic Rifles like AR-15's to kill Deer, no matter the spin put on these things.

I don't think all guns should be taken off American's, but there really is no need whatsoever for Semi Automatic Guns.

[GoldHeart]

Love Kissimmee Zizu, I love America in general, the gun culture is scarey, but to be honest it's humans that are the weapons really ,we are a very dangerous animal to our own and to others.

The thing is Kaz
We're not just talking about your standard 'hand gun', I'm no gun expert. But when there's lunatics carrying several assault rifles,and machine guns etc you name it .

How does these countries like America ever have a chance , unless they do something and heavily restrict.

No matter how young or mentally disturbed someone is ,they still easily get hold of a gun. Your average civilian will not be walking around with a protection gun,if they've just gone to school or for dinner .

[bots]

they can't restrict gun access now even if they wanted to and more than 50% of the population dont want restrictions anyway. Combatting gun crime requires different solutions in the USA

[GoldHeart]

they can't restrict gun access now even if they wanted to and more than 50% of the population dont want restrictions anyway. Combatting gun crime requires different solutions in the USA

what is the answer then ??. Well some American's DO want guns banned , but the typical gun nut American will never accept it . As they'll continue to repeat " To bear arms" even if it literally kills them :bored: .

Also by banning .....they shouldn't make it so easy for ANY Tom dick & Harry to get a gun . Like I said this isn't just your standard pistol, the weapons are insane & usually more than just a few.

[bots]

you are not understanding the mentality of americans. It's a huge country, most americans don't give a crap what happens in another state, its the equivalent of a different country. Texas still views itself and wants to be separate from the rest of america so they wont give a crap what the federal government think. That comes before you even start talking about different states views on guns

[GoldHeart]

Oh I very much understand their MENTALITY, that's why the gun issue will never be resolved. As there's too many Gun nuts ,and the NRA would probably marry their weapons if they could. They likely sleep with their guns in their hands.

[Oliver_W]

It's not even a case of people being "gun nuts", having the right to own a gun is just seen as, well, a right over there. Even the "American equivalents" of most of the people we all know would be lukewarm at best toward the idea of massive change.

[Alf]

100 million + Americans have rights to carry a gun. The amount of these types of mass shootings is less than 100 in this century. That tells you that 100 millions of Americans arne't going around shooting people just because they have a gun.

You're giving power to the criminals to change the course of history whenever they wish to if you only act when they commit evil crimes.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/08/17/58833505-10897049-Uvalde_school_shooting_survivor_Miah_Cerrillo_11_r ecounted_to_Co-m-29_1654707478667.jpg
[Uvalde school shooting survivor Miah Cerrillo, 11,
who covered herself in Blood.]

Clever girl.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10897049/He-told-teacher-goodnight-shot-head-Uvalde-survivor-11-recounts-massacre.html

[rusticgal]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/08/17/58833505-10897049-Uvalde_school_shooting_survivor_Miah_Cerrillo_11_r ecounted_to_Co-m-29_1654707478667.jpg
[Uvalde school shooting survivor Miah Cerrillo, 11,
who covered herself in Blood.]

Clever girl.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10897049/He-told-teacher-goodnight-shot-head-Uvalde-survivor-11-recounts-massacre.html


She was indeed….she’s alive unlike so many of her friends. However the trauma will stay with her for the rest of her life.

[The Slim Reaper]

100 million + Americans have rights to carry a gun. The amount of these types of mass shootings is less than 100 in this century. That tells you that 100 millions of Americans arne't going around shooting people just because they have a gun.

You're giving power to the criminals to change the course of history whenever they wish to if you only act when they commit evil crimes.

I'm calling bollocks unless you can prove it. The definition of a mass shooting is 3 people.

13 mass shootings over a single weekend.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/06/us/mass-shootings-weekend-list/index.html

Or are you saying 100 school shootings this century, averaging one around every 4 months, for 22 straight years?

[Alf]

I'm calling bollocks unless you can prove it. The definition of a mass shooting is 3 people.

13 mass shootings over a single weekend.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/06/us/mass-shootings-weekend-list/index.html

Or are you saying 100 school shootings this century, averaging one around every 4 months, for 22 straight years?I'm saying there's less than a 100 of these types of shootings where some insane maniac just randomly starts shooting innocent people. That would be my guess. If I'm wrong then I won't be wrong by much. Certainly nowhere near to the over 100 million people who have the right to own a gun. So the very, very, very large majority of people are not going around just randomly shooting innocent people and are instead responsible gun owners, those are the ones I think you'd like to go after and take away their possesions for other people's crimes?

[Mystic Mock]

100 million + Americans have rights to carry a gun. The amount of these types of mass shootings is less than 100 in this century. That tells you that 100 millions of Americans arne't going around shooting people just because they have a gun.

You're giving power to the criminals to change the course of history whenever they wish to if you only act when they commit evil crimes.

I don't get why the Americans don't do proper health checks to make sure that psychopaths do not get a hold of a gun in the first place.

[Sticks]

Because it says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, NOT "the right to bear arms shall be infringed except if the person is a psychopath, has mental health issues et al.

According to that reading of the US constitution, all gun controls are unconstitutional. A five year old should be entitled to handle a full automatic assault rifle. It's in the constitution ...

[arista]

77 minutes delay

Reported today on CNN HD

The Police were terrible


https://opoyi.com/english/uvalde-police-chief-explains-77-minutes-delay-in-response-during-shooting

[Beso]

I don't get why the Americans don't do proper health checks to make sure that psychopaths do not get a hold of a gun in the first place.

Would arthur Fowler have passed the test before he smashed up Pauline living room?

[arista]

Would Arthur Fowler have passed the test before he smashed up Pauline's living room?


No, he would be locked up,
He went Mad

[Zizu]

No, he would be locked up,
He went Mad


Maybe not locked up ..

Maybe told to do his community service at home
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[Redway]

Obviously a nutter

Is that all you can say?

[Beso]

Is that all you can say?

Your 1st post in this thread.:hehe: