Will Boris survive?

[Kate!]

Will he wriggle his way out of it or is he a gonner?

Poll coming.....

[ThomasC]

I think he's done.

[bots]

he wont be leader at the next GE, i think he will probably scrape through tonight

[Kate!]

he wont be leader at the next GE, i think he will probably scrape through tonight

I half...or more than half even...want him to stay and be leader at the next GE tbh. Then Labour will stuff him.

[Zizu]

The Tories are stupid if they get rid of their only charismatic character ... and one with a proven record .. 14 million voted for him last time !!


I’d laugh if they kick him out and lose the next election


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[Kate!]

Rishi or Dom will replace him imo.

[GoldHeart]

I think he'll wriggle out . But either way .. same old government even if he stepped down :notimpressed: .

[Zizu]

Rishi or Dom will replace him imo.


They are too meek and mild though ..


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[Kate!]

They are too meek and mild though ..


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Yes thats true enough. But they'll want the other end of the scale from Boris.

[ThomasC]

He'll get through tonight I reckon, bit his days are numbered.

To have a vote of no confidence is very damaging, whether he wins it or not.

[GoldHeart]

He'll get through tonight I reckon, bit his days are numbered.

To have a vote of no confidence is very damaging, whether he wins it or not.

Even if his days are numbered, this will still backfire. As whoever replaces him will be seen as some ' great fresh face' , and Conservatives will still win the next generation election AGAIN . Because people will think nobody can be worse than Boris.

[Kate!]

Even if his days are numbered, this will still backfire. As whoever replaces him will be seen as some ' great fresh face' , and Conservatives will still win the next generation election AGAIN . Because people will think nobody can be worse than Boris.

I agree with this. This is exactly why I said I want Boris to stay so Labour can triumph at the polls next GE. I hope.

[ThomasC]

Even if his days are numbered, this will still backfire. As whoever replaces him will be seen as some ' great fresh face' , and Conservatives will still win the next generation election AGAIN . Because people will think nobody can be worse than Boris.

I wouldn't be so sure that conservatives will win the next GE... People don't forget.

[UserSince2005]

Im so ready for the Priti era.

[Zizu]

He'll get through tonight I reckon, bit his days are numbered.

To have a vote of no confidence is very damaging, whether he wins it or not.


Just because 54 disgruntled ‘remainers’ chose to rattle his cage ??


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[Zizu]

I agree with this. This is exactly why I said I want Boris to stay so Labour can triumph at the polls next GE. I hope.


Labour realise that the voters love Boris and that’s why they want to get rid of him ..

Same principle as the opposing teams kicking lumps out of Messi


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[ThomasC]

Just because 54 disgruntled ‘remainers’ chose to rattle his cage ??


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We don't know how many at minute.

His cage has been rattled for a long time.

He was bood at the jubilee, how embarrassing!!

[Zizu]

Im so ready for the Priti era.


She wouldn’t last past the weekend


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[ThomasC]

Labour realise that the voters love Boris and that’s why they want to get rid of him ..

Same principle as the opposing teams kicking lumps out of Messi


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I don't think many people love Doris. For a lot it's better the devil you know.

[rusticgal]

The Tories are stupid if they get rid of their only charismatic character ... and one with a proven record .. 14 million voted for him last time !!


I’d laugh if they kick him out and lose the next election


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Yup …I agree.

[ThomasC]

The Tories are stupid if they get rid of their only charismatic character ... and one with a proven record .. 14 million voted for him last time !!


I’d laugh if they kick him out and lose the next election


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Is that what you call it, charisma? G Wiz, knock me down butter cup and tickle my feet. Lol

14 million voted last time before they found out how much of an ejit he is

[Zizu]

Is that what you call it, charisma? G Wiz, knock me down butter cup and tickle my feet. Lol

14 million voted last time before they found out how much of an ejit he is


He’d already won the Mayor of London vote twice against all odds ..

He’s a serial winner whatever you think .


Polls showed that many people voted for Boris when they hadn’t shown any interest in politics before that .. that’s charisma


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[ThomasC]

He’d already won the Mayor of London vote twice against all odds ..

He’s a serial winner whatever you think .


Polls showed that many people voted for Boris when they hadn’t shown any interest in politics before that .. that’s charisma


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Please just stop. Absolutely drivel. I award you the most ridiculous post of the day.

That was before all this tosh since he's been in office.

[Zizu]

Please just stop. Absolutely drivel. I award you the most ridiculous post of the day.

That was before all this tosh since he's been in office.


He was photographed ONCE with a glass in his hand ...

There’s another party being talked about today .. when he was in the intensive care ward .

You seriously want to hang him for something as ridiculous as that ??


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[Oliver_W]

The Tories are stupid if they get rid of their only charismatic character ... and one with a proven record .. 14 million voted for him last time !!


I’d laugh if they kick him out and lose the next election


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Technically no-one (outside of his constituency) voted for him, the UK doesn't elect Prime Ministers.

[Zizu]

Technically no-one (outside of his constituency) voted for him, the UK doesn't elect Prime Ministers.


You get my point though ...


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[ThomasC]

He was photographed ONCE with a glass in his hand ...

There’s another party being talked about today .. when he was in the intensive care ward .

You seriously want to hang him for something as ridiculous as that ??


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Hang him, no.

Resign, yes I wouldn't mind.

We need someone we can trust. Biggest problem is most of them are as bad as one another.

It's a lot more than him being photographed in one picture. Constant lies. He's full of crap.

[Oliver_W]

You get my point though ...


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Oh sure, I'm just a bit of a pedant about some things, including the "elections of" Prime Ministers :joker:

[bots]

so far there is no indication that tory voters have changed their minds about Boris. Obviously labour voters will shout with glee for him to resign

[arista]

211 Voted for him


148 against him

He Won

[user104658]

211 Voted for him


148 against him

He Won

Completely unsurprising and the Tories will walk the next GE too. UK politics is thoroughly entrenched and that's not changing any time soon.

[thesheriff443]

Well technically he has got another year in office at least

[Cherie]

We are stuck with the liar for now

[Zizu]

Hang him, no.

Resign, yes I wouldn't mind.

We need someone we can trust. Biggest problem is most of them are as bad as one another.

It's a lot more than him being photographed in one picture. Constant lies. He's full of crap.


They all lie , they’re all corrupt..


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[Zizu]

We are stuck with the liar for now


They all lie ...


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[Cherie]

They all lie ...


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Blimey you are forgiving...I recall you being beside yourself when your neighbours broke covid rules, yet the rule makers broke them...then lied about breaking them but hey....no problemo ....no wonder he is laughing

[rusticgal]

Unless Labour replace Starmer they don’t stand a chance. The bloke has no charisma or leadership qualities…there he was tonight saying the obvious YET AGAIN…empty promises I don’t think he can commit to.
I don’t think the public will forgive Boris for Partygate…but he will fight to redeem himself and won’t surrender until he is dragged out kicking and screaming. Can he redeem himself :shrug:…..he has a lot of work to do…I don’t know wether it will be enough.

[Zizu]

Blimey you are forgiving...I recall you being beside yourself when your neighbours broke covid rules, yet the rule makers broke them...then lied about breaking them but hey....no problemo ....no wonder he is laughing


I’m just a realist ...

The ones I’ve heard about where all after work in the work place ...with people in their work bubble .. a few drinks and sandwiches . One of them showed them social distancing and one was outside in a bladdy garden

They weren’t arranged parties in a fancy nightclub like the one those two hypocrites Kay Burley and Beth went to during lock down


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[UserSince2005]

Boris should have laughed in there faces. They gave him another year haha.

[jet]

Unless Labour replace Starmer they don’t stand a chance. The bloke has no charisma or leadership qualities…there he was tonight saying the obvious YET AGAIN…empty promises I don’t think he can commit to.
I don’t think the public will forgive Boris for Partygate…but he will fight to redeem himself and won’t surrender until he is dragged out kicking and screaming. Can he redeem himself :shrug:…..he has a lot of work to do…I don’t know wether it will be enough.

Boris really does have charisma, and comes across as more 'human' than most leaders.
I read that the Queen has a soft spot for Boris, who always made her laugh, but then again according to Harry she says the same about him so....:laugh:

[bots]

it just takes another issue and the tory mp's can change the rules about the 1 year wait and boot Boris out. There is a fairly strong possibility that he will be gone fairly quickly

[Zizu]

it just takes another issue and the tory mp's can change the rules about the 1 year wait and boot Boris out. There is a fairly strong possibility that he will be gone fairly quickly


Southgate out ... resign fgs !!!


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[Zizu]

it just takes another issue and the tory mp's can change the rules about the 1 year wait and boot Boris out. There is a fairly strong possibility that he will be gone fairly quickly


Anyways ...

What’s the point of rules if ya can change them when it suits ?


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[ThomasC]

Completely unsurprising and the Tories will walk the next GE too. UK politics is thoroughly entrenched and that's not changing any time soon.

I don't think the general public are that fickle.

I think thru will remember come GE time.

As much as Dorris says that now we can move on and he can get the job done, this is not going away.

Over 40% of his crew do not feel he is fit for purpose.

I see a downward trajectory

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUmIUFRXwAUG5sj?format=jpg&name=small

[bots]

there are now 148 of his own MP's that don't want him in position. They could cause absolute havoc in parliament if they were inclined. The difference between yesterday and now is that the rebels now know the extent of their power and they will use it one way or another

[arista]

there are now 148 of his own MP's that don't want him in position. They could cause absolute havoc in parliament if they were inclined. The difference between yesterday and now is that the rebels now know the extent of their power and they will use it one way or another


Of Course.

But do they want Labour,
Hell No.

[arista]

The Online Paper:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUnm64GXEAAW-T2?format=jpg&name=900x900

[user104658]

I don't think the general public are that fickle.

I think thru will remember come GE time.

As much as Dorris says that now we can move on and he can get the job done, this is not going away.

Over 40% of his crew do not feel he is fit for purpose.

I see a downward trajectory

I think they'll ditch Boris before the next GE, but they will still win the next GE with whoever replaces him; they'll brand it a "fresh start" of some sort and people will continue to vote the same way they have been for the last 15 years.

[bots]

labour need a drastic rethink, the same way that they had a rethink before tony blair became PM. They have moved so far away from what the mainstream public in the UK want. If they want to take tory voters, they need to embrace what the tories offer, put their own spin on it and deliver the message in a believable way

[Kazanne]

I’m just a realist ...

The ones I’ve heard about where all after work in the work place ...with people in their work bubble .. a few drinks and sandwiches . One of them showed them social distancing and one was outside in a bladdy garden

They weren’t arranged parties in a fancy nightclub like the one those two hypocrites Kay Burley and Beth went to during lock down


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I agree with this ,they werent exactly doing the Hokey Cokey, and how does holding a drink and eating ?make a party ? they were working in a bubble and one was he was saying bye to a work friend,so imo,they were not parties its just a lable the media press and opposition have run with and tried to ingrain in everyone as they wanthim out at any cost.Its just been blown way out of proportion, I do think the remainers also have a big part in it.

[ThomasC]

I agree with this ,they werent exactly doing the Hokey Cokey, and how does holding a drink and eating ?make a party ? they were working in a bubble and one was he was saying bye to a work friend,so imo,they were not parties its just a lable the media press and opposition have run with and tried to ingrain in everyone as they wanthim out at any cost.Its just been blown way out of proportion, I do think the remainers also have a big part in it.

I wonder whether you'd feel the same if you couldn't visit a dying relative, see them in their last moments?

I don't know maybe that did happen to you and I'm very sorry if it did.

He said there were no parties, he was outraged, then said there were, then said he didn't realise he was breaking the rules, you know, the ones he set?

Why else would he apologise so profusely?

Others made horrific sacrifices, I don't consider myself one of them, but people did to then find all this out. It's a bloody kick in the teeth and hurtful

[_Seth]

I cannot believe that foul, devious little snake won the confidence vote. Boadicea would be turning in her grave.

[arista]

I cannot believe that foul, devious little snake won the confidence vote. Boadicea would be turning in her grave.


I can believe it


No One Wants Jeremy Hunt

[_Seth]

I can believe it


No One Wants Jeremy Hunt

I don't know anything about Jeremy Hunt or politics in general, however I don't believe there are many people breathing that could do a worse job than Boris.

[Crushter]

I can believe it


No One Wants Jeremy Hunt

Hunt is not a realistic candidate. Stop listening to Nadine Dorries.

Boris surviving the vote was inevitable. It would have been very difficult for the rebels to defeat him here. But 150ish of his back benchers (and probably a good number of cabinet ministers tbh) voting against him he is mortally wounded. When the tories are destroyed in the two upcoming by-elections and continue to decline in the polls, more will turn because their jobs will be at risk. If only labour had a clearer vision and a more charismatic leader then they would be much further ahead. But as things stand the tories are slowly digging their own grave. Before long they will have no choice but to get rid of him.

[arista]

I don't know anything about Jeremy Hunt or politics in general, however I don't believe there are many people breathing that could do a worse job than Boris.


Hunt failed as Health Secretary.



He is far worse than Johnson

[Crushter]

Hunt failed as Health Secretary.



He is far worse than Johnson

?????

In what universe. Johnson is about as bad as it can get. The only one I fear more than him is Patel.

[arista]

Crushter
are you a Former Poster?

[Crushter]

Crushter
are you a Former Poster?

No.

[user104658]

?????

In what universe. Johnson is about as bad as it can get. The only one I fear more than him is Patel.

I'd argue that Sunak is looking pretty dangerous but actually probably moreso in the job he's in now than as PM.

[Crushter]

I'd argue that Sunak is looking pretty dangerous but actually probably moreso in the job he's in now than as PM.

Sunak isn't happening for several reasons. Firstly, he has been damaged by partygate too. He can't succeed Boris who has been mortally wounded by this scandal when he was just as active a participant. Then there is the tax scandal and the fact he may have broken US immigration law. Third and most importantly, he is a tory Chancellor who has raised taxes more than any labour chancellor ever did under Blair or brown. That is the opposite of what tories stand for. No way the tory membership backs him after that.

[arista]

Good Johnson has had
a hair Cut

[arista]

[Lee Anderson MP provided daytime fireworks
as he confronted the BBC over anti-Boris
bias live on the channel.
He also called them “quite sad” over their
refusal to let the Boris leadership question drop,
accusing them of spearheading a witchhunt.]

https://order-order.com/2022/06/07/lee-anderson-slams-sad-bbc-youre-not-going-to-let-this-drop-are-you/?fbclid=IwAR1J0ZQgs0ml7-0sNMmjt6xi8LvNeS_2OG4PhJnYtKkh5B_xPgzTEyZ8XtA

Yes that reporter the Sister of the brother
on Ch4HDnews
has been one-sided all day.

[Zizu]

I wonder whether you'd feel the same if you couldn't visit a dying relative, see them in their last moments?

I don't know maybe that did happen to you and I'm very sorry if it did.

He said there were no parties, he was outraged, then said there were, then said he didn't realise he was breaking the rules, you know, the ones he set?

Why else would he apologise so profusely?

Others made horrific sacrifices, I don't consider myself one of them, but people did to then find all this out. It's a bloody kick in the teeth and hurtful


As someone just said .... a sandwich and a sip of something is hardly a party in the general meaning of the word .


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[Zizu]

Crushter
are you a Former Poster?


Mmmmmm first post today after registering 12 years ago !!


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[arista]

Mmmmmm first post today after registering 12 years ago !!




Yes, a Poster that likes Hunt MP
the failed Health Secretary

[Crushter]

Yes, a Poster that likes Hunt MP
the failed Health Secretary

I don't like Hunt lol. He is a tory.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3DA5/production/_125318751_telegraph-nc.png

Yes easy to dream
but Hunt is a troublemaker.

[bots]

thats complete nonsense. You would never make someone who has publicly just called on you to resign a member of the cabinet.

[Zizu]

thats complete nonsense. You would never make someone who has publicly just called on you to resign a member of the cabinet.


Agreed


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[GoldHeart]

As someone just said .... a sandwich and a sip of something is hardly a party in the general meaning of the word .


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Boris' party gate , was more than that . People were getting drunk & were sitting on eachothers knee, no social distancing,and no masks .

These little 'meetings' were pencilled in as a regular thing. And this was when people couldn't see their loved ones who were dying.

[arista]

Boris' party gate , was more than that . People were getting drunk & were sitting on eachothers knee, no social distancing,and no masks .

These little 'meetings' were pencilled in as a regular thing. And this was when people couldn't see their loved ones who were dying.


Yes that has all ended
He has Apologised
New Staff now in control.


Move on please

[bots]

people will move on when they are good and ready. The tory mps that voted no confidence arent going to stop now. Boris will be gone soon

[Zizu]

Boris' party gate , was more than that . People were getting drunk & were sitting on eachothers knee, no social distancing,and no masks .

These little 'meetings' were pencilled in as a regular thing. And this was when people couldn't see their loved ones who were dying.


But even if they ‘were’ regular things ( I haven’t seen proof of that ) .. they were still with people in their bubble ... just like we were in the school staffroom..

A couple of those ‘gatherings’ were in the evening because they were working late .

I hate politicians generally but a lot of those civil servants were working their butts off trying to manage the Covid19 situation.


I wish everyone was as angry with Kay Burley who really did abuse the rule .

Her punishment for her huge , lavish birthday party at fancy London nightclub.. was a six month fully paid holiday ( think she went travelling ) and now her and Beth are back on our screens everyday interviewing Boris and others and asking THEM if they should resign for having a drink and sandwich after work

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[user104658]

Bubble schmubble - at the time these gatherings were taking place at my work we weren't allowed more than 3 in the office and it was strict 2m social distancing and masks. They're sat on top of each other drinking champers and licking each other's faces. No wonder they were all constantly coming down with Covid.

The excuses being made for it are an absolute joke. Now, I personally see no actual benefit in removing Boris only to replace him with some other Tory tosser, but I can't abide people talking nonsense about how acceptable the little soirees were. You KNOW that if it was anyone but them doing it, they'd have been lambasting it as "against the rules".

[Zizu]

Bubble schmubble - at the time these gatherings were taking place at my work we weren't allowed more than 3 in the office and it was strict 2m social distancing and masks. They're sat on top of each other drinking champers and licking each other's faces. No wonder they were all constantly coming down with Covid.

The excuses being made for it are an absolute joke. Now, I personally see no actual benefit in removing Boris only to replace him with some other Tory tosser, but I can't abide people talking nonsense about how acceptable the little soirees were. You KNOW that if it was anyone but them doing it, they'd have been lambasting it as "against the rules".


Your thoughts on Kay Burley and her friends & family ??


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[Niamh.]

Your thoughts on Kay Burley and her friends & family ??


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Kay Burley isn't a member of your government though is she? The one's telling everyone that they need to "stay home to save the NHS" and all that stuff?

[Kazanne]

Boris' party gate , was more than that . People were getting drunk & were sitting on eachothers knee, no social distancing,and no masks .

These little 'meetings' were pencilled in as a regular thing. And this was when people couldn't see their loved ones who were dying.

And where did that news come from Goldheart :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

And where did that news come from Goldheart :laugh:

It was literally on the news a few weeks ago ,it was more than 1 party as we know. Plus there was reports of finding bins around there full of empty alcohol bottles etc.

The sitting on knees is probably more of a rumour,but apparently they were so crammed that some people were sitting on eachother. And I wouldn't put it past them

[Zizu]

Kay Burley isn't a member of your government though is she? The one's telling everyone that they need to "stay home to save the NHS" and all that stuff?


I still see her crime as totally reprehensible


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[Niamh.]

I still see her crime as totally reprehensible


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Sure but surely the Government, the law makers, the ones imploring everyone to stay home should be absolutely leading by example and not "do as i say not as i do"? That's the absolute worst imo, especially in such worrying and unstable times too

Basically yeah it was wrong of her but no where near the same level imo as not only a member of Government but the actual leader of your country doing it

[Zizu]

Sure but surely the Government, the law makers, the ones imploring everyone to stay home should be absolutely leading by example and not "do as i say not as i do"? That's the absolute worst imo, especially in such worrying and unstable times too

Basically yeah it was wrong of her but they're no where near the same level imo as not only a member of Government but the actual leader of your country doing it


Just our different takes on things then .

You regard a few butties and a slurp after a hard days work to be more serious than a well organised, lavish , high profile birthday celebration for over a hundred people at a fancy London nightclub !!?


Given her and Beth’s high profiles and their job is to question the wrong doings of others I expected them both to be sacked immediately or at least resigned .


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[Niamh.]

Just our different takes on things then

Given her and Beth’s high profiles and their job is to question the wrong doings of others I expected them both to be sacked immediately or at least resigned .


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Not my government so no skin off my nose but if it happened in Ireland, a celebrity or a member of Government I know which one I'd be more angry with and that's the ****er telling me I couldn't leave my house/see my relatives or friends etc etc

[Kazanne]

It was literally on the news a few weeks ago ,it was more than 1 party as we know. Plus there was reports of finding bins around there full of empty alcohol bottles etc.

The sitting on knees is probably more of a rumour,but apparently they were so crammed that some people were sitting on eachother. And I wouldn't put it past them

Well I think you know my feelngs on the press and media.

[GoldHeart]

Well I think you know my feelngs on the press and media.

Point is ,he was telling us all to stay at home & save lives. Told us not to mingle with other households. People's relative's were dying in nursing homes, funerals were limited. And Boris was having parties & laughing at us all .

[Niamh.]

I just don't understand this complete loyalty to a party or a politician either, why?

[AnnieK]

But even if they ‘were’ regular things ( I haven’t seen proof of that ) .. they were still with people in their bubble ... just like we were in the school staffroom..

A couple of those ‘gatherings’ were in the evening because they were working late .

I hate politicians generally but a lot of those civil servants were working their butts off trying to manage the Covid19 situation.


I wish everyone was as angry with Kay Burley who really did abuse the rule .

Her punishment for her huge , lavish birthday party at fancy London nightclub.. was a six month fully paid holiday ( think she went travelling ) and now her and Beth are back on our screens everyday interviewing Boris and others and asking THEM if they should resign for having a drink and sandwich after work

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When did this happen? IIRC she was suspended for being with 9 colleagues in a restaurant and then popping in to another restaurant o use the bathroom. She breached the rule of 6 - I don't recall a big lavish nightclub party???? You make it sound like there were hundreds there.

[AnnieK]

Boris broke the law (as evidenced by the fine he received)
He then lied about breaking the law.

Case closed for me

[GoldHeart]

Boris broke the law (as evidenced by the fine he received)
He then lied about breaking the law.

Case closed for me

Exactly

[Zizu]

Point is ,he was telling us all to stay at home & save lives. Told us not to mingle with other households. People's relative's were dying in nursing homes, funerals were limited. And Boris was having parties & laughing at us all .


One time apparently ...


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[Zizu]

When did this happen? IIRC she was suspended for being with 9 colleagues in a restaurant and then popping in to another restaurant o use the bathroom. She breached the rule of 6 - I don't recall a big lavish nightclub party???? You make it sound like there were hundreds there.

The details I used where in a news article at the time ..



This is from Google


When Kay Burley decided to hold a 60th birthday party last weekend, she was also looking forward to a pre-Christmas safari holiday before knuckling down to cover the arrival of a coronavirus vaccine and the conclusion of the Brexit process – two of the biggest stories of her decades-long career.
Instead, she is in for a much longer break. After a week of controversy and internal drama at Sky News, her employers concluded that her celebrations broke the coronavirus rules – and meant she should be off air for six months. While she will still be paid throughout her absence, there is no doubt that Burley would rather be on screen.


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[AnnieK]

When Kay Burley decided to hold a 60th birthday party last weekend, she was also looking forward to a pre-Christmas safari holiday before knuckling down to cover the arrival of a coronavirus vaccine and the conclusion of the Brexit process – two of the biggest stories of her decades-long career.
Instead, she is in for a much longer break. After a week of controversy and internal drama at Sky News, her employers concluded that her celebrations broke the coronavirus rules – and meant she should be off air for six months. While she will still be paid throughout her absence, there is no doubt that Burley would rather be on screen.


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That still doesn't say she having a HUGE LAVISH (your words) party. 10 people broke the rule of 6 and she was suspended by Sky for 6 months. It has damaged her career. You have played down Boris' law break birthday as his "work bubble" surely as they were all colleagues you have to extend the same courtesy to Kay Burley otherwise saying her "actions are reprehensible" (again your words) is a tad hypocritical, no?

[Zizu]

That still doesn't say she having a HUGE LAVISH (your words) party. 10 people broke the rule of 6 and she was suspended by Sky for 6 months. It has damaged her career. You have played down Boris' law break birthday as his "work bubble" surely as they were all colleagues you have to extend the same courtesy to Kay Burley otherwise saying her "actions are reprehensible" (again your words) is a tad hypocritical, no?


I just explained the details I initially used were from an article I read at the time ...


She didn’t have a few butties and a drink in the office after work .. is the main difference.. plus it was all arranged.

Anyways if she wasn’t guilty they wouldn’t have suspended her for 6 months

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[jet]

Boris broke the law (as evidenced by the fine he received)
He then lied about breaking the law.

Case closed for me

He delivered Brexit to the majority who had voted for it.
His vaccination rollout was very impressive and saved countless lives.
He has been the best with his help and support for Ukraine, more than any other world leader. (which has helped to save more lives.)

IMO, compare those successes with taking a few breaks with colleagues during lockdown with all the incredible pressure he was under in an unprecedented situation, and for me, yes, case closed.

[AnnieK]

The leader of a country prosecuted for breaking the law and then lying to the Government and the country as a whole is reprehensible.

I don't care what he did, at the end of the day he broke the law and lied. Add to that he lied to the Queen in order to prorogue Parliament over Brexit. His previous employment history is chequered at best.

Its no wonder this country is on its knees if we can forgive the highest officials lying and law breaking.

You couldn't make it up. :laugh:

[Zizu]

He delivered Brexit to the majority who had voted for it.
His vaccination rollout was very impressive and saved countless lives.
He has been the best with his help and support for Ukraine, more than any other world leader. (which has helped to save more lives.)

IMO, compare those successes with taking a few breaks with colleagues during lockdown with all the incredible pressure he was under in an unprecedented situation, and for me, yes, case closed.


Exactly

One of the ‘gatherings’ that is being levelled against him happened when Boris was in a flamin’ intensive care unit !!

Jees !


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[jet]

The leader of a country prosecuted for breaking the law and then lying to the Government and the country as a whole is reprehensible.

I don't care what he did, at the end of the day he broke the law and lied. Add to that he lied to the Queen in order to prorogue Parliament over Brexit. His previous employment history is chequered at best.

Its no wonder this country is on its knees if we can forgive the highest officials lying and law breaking.

You couldn't make it up. :laugh:

I care more about the saving of countless lives than I do about lies. He's done a lot of good and deserves a chance to prove himself in other areas.

[MTVN]

Exactly

One of the ‘gatherings’ that is being levelled against him happened when Boris was in a flamin’ intensive care unit !!

Jees !


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Yes I don't think Boris himself is guilty of much partying at all. Turning a blind eye maybe but worth remembering that Downing Street is actually pretty huge and comprises dozens of rooms where numerous people work day and night

[AnnieK]

I care more about the saving of countless lives than I do about lies. He's done a lot of good and deserves a chance to prove himself in other areas.

We should have a leader who does both to be honest - tells the truth and saves lives. Also, how many people died alone because they and their families were observing the rules that Boris and co set? How many families had to watch loved ones die through an IPad screen whilst the MPs and Government officials were drinking and covering up their parties? :shrug:

You may be able to offset those lies but for people who lost loved ones that is a much harder pill to swallow I am sure and they will not be as forgiving of the lies that have been told.

[Zizu]

We should have a leader who does both to be honest - tells the truth and saves lives. Also, how many people died alone because they and their families were observing the rules that Boris and co set? How many families had to watch loved ones die through an IPad screen whilst the MPs and Government officials were drinking and covering up their parties? :shrug:

You may be able to offset those lies but for people who lost loved ones that is a much harder pill to swallow I am sure and they will not be as forgiving of the lies that have been told.


All politicians bend or deflect the truth / lie .. they always have and they always will ..


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[bots]

All politicians bend or deflect the truth / lie .. they always have and they always will ..


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there is bending truth and then there is bare faced lying, you are fudging it

Whether boris agrees or not, his time is up, he wont fight the next election

[ThomasC]

Can't fecking believe people on here defending the fecker.

Unbelievable.

[ThomasC]

As someone just said .... a sandwich and a sip of something is hardly a party in the general meaning of the word .


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You need to go wobble your head big time.

You are completely missing the point.

He set the rules!!!! .....

You can simplify it as much as you want by saying it was a sandwich and a dribble.

My arse it was. You admitted in another thread you haven't really followed it but just like Boris.

[jet]

We should have a leader who does both to be honest - tells the truth and saves lives. Also, how many people died alone because they and their families were observing the rules that Boris and co set? How many families had to watch loved ones die through an IPad screen whilst the MPs and Government officials were drinking and covering up their parties? :shrug:

You may be able to offset those lies but for people who lost loved ones that is a much harder pill to swallow I am sure and they will not be as forgiving of the lies that have been told.

It’s’ not Boris who would have decided on the rules, he isn’t an expert on pandemics. He could only take the lead from those whose job it was to advise him on what course to take. They are blame free, apparently.

I can understand people taking their anger out on Boris, but also think of all the many thousands of people whose loved one’s lives were saved because of the vaccines; how the Ukranians are praising him for his very real support above all other leaders. I think this plot to oust him from many quarters has a lot more to it than Partygate, it’s just an excuse.

[bots]

It’s’ not Boris who would have decided on the rules, he isn’t an expert on pandemics. He could only take the lead from those whose job it was to advise him on what course to take. They are blame free, apparently.

I can understand people taking their anger out on Boris, but also think of all the many thousands of people whose loved one’s lives were saved because of the vaccines; how the Ukranians are praising him for his very real support above all other leaders. I think this plot to oust him from many quarters has a lot more to it than Partygate, it’s just an excuse.

he is the flippin prime minister, he gives his official ok to everything .... what you say is just incorrect.

[jet]

he is the flippin prime minister, he gives his official ok to everything .... what you say is just incorrect.

Why wouldn't he give his okay to the pandemic experts advice on the course of action to take? He knew no more about the risks than you or I.

What would you have done in his shoes, and why?

[AnnieK]

It’s’ not Boris who would have decided on the rules, he isn’t an expert on pandemics. He could only take the lead from those whose job it was to advise him on what course to take. They are blame free, apparently.

I can understand people taking their anger out on Boris, but also think of all the many thousands of people whose loved one’s lives were saved because of the vaccines; how the Ukranians are praising him for his very real support above all other leaders. I think this plot to oust him from many quarters has a lot more to it than Partygate, it’s just an excuse.

I do understand what you are saying but in the same breath, it wasn't Boris who masterminded the vaccine roll out. You can't say he didn't set the rules then in the same breath say he is responsible for all the good stuff.

I get that he is a figure head as such but the buck has to stop somewhere. He is the top man so the buck stops with him. Did he turn a blind eye to some of the parties? Did he even know about them? Don't know but he is the boss so has to take the responsibility.

Would he have been quite so vocal on Ukraine if his neck wasn't on the block about Partygate and he saw it as a diversion?? (don't get me wrong I do think he has handled the Ukraine situation admirably and has caused more countries to step up but the cynical side of me thinks he may have had ulterior motives).

[jet]

I do understand what you are saying but in the same breath, it wasn't Boris who masterminded the vaccine roll out. You can't say he didn't set the rules then in the same breath say he is responsible for all the good stuff.


He had the balls to forge ahead with the vaccine rollout asap, when other countries did nothing or lagged way behind. No - one knew how effective it would be but he took the risk and went for it, cost be damned.

[Niamh.]

Why wouldn't he give his okay to the pandemic experts advice on the course of action to take? He knew no more about the risks than you or I.

What would you have done in his shoes, and why?

Not broken the rules I told the citizens of the country I run they had to abide by? Lead by example? That sort of thing

[jet]

Not broken the rules I told the citizens of the country I run they had to abide by? Lead by example? That sort of thing

That's not an answer to the question I asked.

[AnnieK]

He had the balls to forge ahead with the vaccine rollout asap, when other countries did nothing or lagged way behind. No - one knew how effective it would be but he took the risk and went for it, cost be damned.

I get that - but his advisors will have told him to go for it - just like his advisors told him which rules to set :shrug:

[Zizu]

You need to go wobble your head big time.

You are completely missing the point.

He set the rules!!!! .....

You can simplify it as much as you want by saying it was a sandwich and a dribble.

My arse it was. You admitted in another thread you haven't really followed it but just like Boris.


I’ve followed the interesting bits ..

I don’t have any political affiliations ..


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[Zizu]

It’s’ not Boris who would have decided on the rules, he isn’t an expert on pandemics. He could only take the lead from those whose job it was to advise him on what course to take. They are blame free, apparently.

I can understand people taking their anger out on Boris, but also think of all the many thousands of people whose loved one’s lives were saved because of the vaccines; how the Ukranians are praising him for his very real support above all other leaders. I think this plot to oust him from many quarters has a lot more to it than Partygate, it’s just an excuse.


Hallelujah


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[jet]

I get that - but his advisors will have told him to go for it - just like his advisors told him which rules to set :shrug:

If Boris hadn't delivered Brexit, (which I was neutral about) many more would have died....

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/25/uk/boris-johnson-vaccine-eu-intl-gbr/index.html

The UK, no longer a member of the European Union, opted not to work with its European partners in procuring or approving vaccines. As a result, it was able to negotiate contracts and approve vaccines for use more quickly.

"If you wanted a single demonstration of why Brexit was important, you've got it. If we were still in the EU now some people would be dead who are not. It's nothing to crow about, it's just true," said David Davis, a veteran lawmaker and former Brexit secretary.

There are other reasons the UK got ahead, not least Johnson's massive spending spree when it came to procuring vaccines….


I didn't see the media gushing over his vaccine rollout success, and haven't over his brilliant support of Ukraine - just months of endless talk of how dreadful Partygate is.....

[AnnieK]

If Boris hadn't delivered Brexit, (which I was neutral about) many more would have died....

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/25/uk/boris-johnson-vaccine-eu-intl-gbr/index.html

The UK, no longer a member of the European Union, opted not to work with its European partners in procuring or approving vaccines. As a result, it was able to negotiate contracts and approve vaccines for use more quickly.

"If you wanted a single demonstration of why Brexit was important, you've got it. If we were still in the EU now some people would be dead who are not. It's nothing to crow about, it's just true," said David Davis, a veteran lawmaker and former Brexit secretary.

There are other reasons the UK got ahead, not least Johnson's massive spending spree when it came to procuring vaccines….


I didn't see the media gushing over his vaccine rollout success, and haven't over his brilliant support of Ukraine - just months of endless talk of how dreadful Partygate is.....

I understand all that Jet - but i feel you are missing my point.

You said that Boris didn't set the rules - his advisors did (as a way to re-apportion blame for Boris breaking said rules). I am saying if you believe that to be true you cannot expect people to think that everything good you believe he has done for the country is simply on his say so - his advisors are responsible for that too. Based on the way you are viewing things.

He broke his own lock down rules - you said he didn't set the rules his advisors did

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He delivered Brexit and the vaccine roll out - Boris himself yay Boris.

He has a whole team behind the scenes working on everything - yes he might not have physically sat down and wrote a list of rules but he signed them off therefore he is responsible for them - and he went ahead and broke them anyway.

That is simply my point, I don't understand why we are still talking about this. :laugh:

[jet]

I understand all that Jet - but i feel you are missing my point.

You said that Boris didn't set the rules - his advisors did (as a way to re-apportion blame for Boris breaking said rules). I am saying if you believe that to be true you cannot expect people to think that everything good you believe he has done for the country is simply on his say so - his advisors are responsible for that too. Based on the way you are viewing things.





Not really. The pandemic was an unprecedented occurrence which he would have had no experience of whatsoever.
That cannot be said of many other areas of government - I’m pretty sure he likes his own way on many issues.

And I have never said it was fine for him to break the rules.
I have said as the leader of the country under severe pressure at a dreadful time I can understand why he succumbed to a little light relief with colleagues now and then. Even Prime ministers are flawed human beings.

I respect your viewpoint though on this issue and I hope you respect mine.

[Kazanne]

Not really. The pandemic was an unprecedented occurrence which he would have had no experience of whatsoever.
That cannot be said of many other areas of government - I’m pretty sure he likes his own way on many issues.

And I have never said it was fine for him to break the rules.
I have said as the leader of the country under severe pressure at a dreadful time I can understand why he succumbed to a little light relief with colleagues now and then. Even Prime ministers are flawed human beings.

I respect your viewpoint though on this issue and I hope you respect mine.

I agree with this Jet, people have different opinions and thats good ,well should be,we all see things differently , I have a lot of opinion on it all but you just know it will trigger those that dont agree,but it doesnt change my opinion, I will say though I don't follow blindly, I dont think he is perfect but given the circumstances when he first got in ,he's not done so bad,I mean as if he would purposely piss the public off as they are his voters whatever he's done he obviously didnt think it was so wrong and I do think there is more to the desperation of some wanting him out than meets the eye.Why would he commit political suicide?Will he survive ? I dont know, but cant see any better alternative.

[bots]

if he hasn't gone before the next GE, the people will decide if they want him or not. Eventually he will get his backing or kicked into the long grass

[Kazanne]

if he hasn't gone before the next GE, the people will decide if they want him or not. Eventually he will get his backing or kicked into the long grass

Yes I think thats a fair comment bots,let the public decide at the next GE.

[AnnieK]

Not really. The pandemic was an unprecedented occurrence which he would have had no experience of whatsoever.
That cannot be said of many other areas of government - I’m pretty sure he likes his own way on many issues.

And I have never said it was fine for him to break the rules.
I have said as the leader of the country under severe pressure at a dreadful time I can understand why he succumbed to a little light relief with colleagues now and then. Even Prime ministers are flawed human beings.

I respect your viewpoint though on this issue and I hope you respect mine.

Of course I respect your viewpoint.

I don't really have an issue with the "party" part as such, it was the lying afterwards that is my biggest issue. I don't think he probably did realise that what they did constitute breaking the rules but afterwards he would have known and still he lied. That's my issue.

I would personally have had far more respect for him if he had held his hands up.

I know that won't be the case for a lot of his detractors but its my opinion. He let himself and the government as a whole down by continuing the lie.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[ThomasC]

I can't cope with talking about Dorris any longer.

I am respectfully bowing out.

Good luck my lovely flower pots

[DrunkerThanMoses]

People actually defending him here is sickening to see. Do me a favour come to my grandparents grave and say all this to them... I am sure they will love what you have to say.... oh wait they are ****ing dead and we couldnt even have a proper send off for either because we followed the ****ing rules.

I wish I had the privilege and honour to say goodbye to them because alas I foolish followed the rules to protect myself, my family and the vulnerable people I have to look after.

SO **** Boris, **** nadine whatsherface, **** Jacob twat whatever, **** all the other arselickers who know under anyone else the would not even have a job, and respectfully **** all the people in this thread defending a lying piece of **** boris.

[thesheriff443]

People actually defending him here is sickening to see. Do me a favour come to my grandparents grave and say all this to them... I am sure they will love what you have to say.... oh wait they are ****ing dead and we couldnt even have a proper send off for either because we followed the ****ing rules.

I wish I had the privilege and honour to say goodbye to them because alas I foolish followed the rules to protect myself, my family and the vulnerable people I have to look after.

SO **** Boris, **** nadine whatsherface, **** Jacob twat whatever, **** all the other arselickers who know under anyone else the would not even have a job, and respectfully **** all the people in this thread defending a lying piece of **** boris.

I’m sorry for your loss I lost my mum to covid in 2021 after following the rules only for her to catch it in hospital on a secure covid ward but covid was spread by doctors and nurses using phones laptops and eating together in the canteen .

You have every right to feel angry but it won’t change the outcome.

[bots]

the rules put in place were largely correct given the knowledge we had at the time. It was never really a concern for me what others were doing, my concern was for myself and my family, which was something i could influence.

Even before Boris was elected leader of the tory party, everyone knew what type of person he was, nothing has changed, people gave him a massive majority based on the full knowledge of the type of person he is. I don't honestly see what is different now for the voting public.

[thesheriff443]

the rules put in place were largely correct given the knowledge we had at the time. It was never really a concern for me what others were doing, my concern was for myself and my family, which was something i could influence.

Even before Boris was elected leader of the tory party, everyone knew what type of person he was, nothing has changed, people gave him a massive majority based on the full knowledge of the type of person he is. I don't honestly see what is different now for the voting public.

A measured post as always

[Beso]

People actually defending him here is sickening to see. Do me a favour come to my grandparents grave and say all this to them... I am sure they will love what you have to say.... oh wait they are ****ing dead and we couldnt even have a proper send off for either because we followed the ****ing rules.

I wish I had the privilege and honour to say goodbye to them because alas I foolish followed the rules to protect myself, my family and the vulnerable people I have to look after.

SO **** Boris, **** nadine whatsherface, **** Jacob twat whatever, **** all the other arselickers who know under anyone else the would not even have a job, and respectfully **** all the people in this thread defending a lying piece of **** boris.

May I ask what caused the death of your grandparents?