USA : Roe vs Wade overturned

[arista]

USA Supreme Court Overturns Roe V Wade


SkyNewsHD Live


https://news.sky.com/story/roe-v-wade-overturned-by-supreme-court-live-updates-12637381



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61928898


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWCbhclUIAAU9BT?format=jpg&name=small

[Liam-]

A truly dark day for American women, having their rights stripped away by a panel of compromised extremists and they definitely won’t stop there

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/24/15/59479747-0-image-m-16_1656080175420.jpg


[Supreme Court OVERRULES
Roe v. Wade saying the 'Constitution does not
confer a right to abortion': Ends nearly 50 years of
constitutional protection for terminations]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10949577/Supreme-Court-reverse-Roe-TODAY.html

[arista]

A truly dark day for American women, having their rights stripped away by a panel of compromised extremists and they definitely won’t stop there


Only for some.


These are Lifetime Judges


They knew this was on the way.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/24/15/59475107-10949577-An_anti_abortion_protester_stands_in_front_of_the_ Jackson_Women_-a-41_1656081255674.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/24/15/59475097-10949577-Tensions_over_the_future_of_abortion_rights_in_the _country_have_-a-42_1656081255675.jpg


Hell Yes. Madame

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/24/15/57335709-10949577-There_are_18_states_that_have_near_total_bans_on_t heir_books_whi-a-32_1656081255411.jpg

[arista]

Nancy Pelosi is now Live


She blames Trump.

[Alf]

I'll get some popcorn for the riots.

[Oliver_W]

Nancy Pelosi is now Live


She blames Trump.

:joker:

Of course she does.

Having "Democrats" ruling the House, Senate, and Presidency, it's clear where their bread is truly buttered.

[arista]

I'll get some popcorn for the riots.


Only the Left Wingers

[The Slim Reaper]

Only for some.


These are Lifetime Judges


They knew this was on the way.

Every single one of them said roe was settled law and they wouldn't overturn it, in their hearings.

[The Slim Reaper]

:joker:

Of course she does.

Having "Democrats" ruling the House, Senate, and Presidency, it's clear where their bread is truly buttered.

I know you know next to nothing about anything, but what the dems hold now is irrelevant in this matter, as it has all been done in the sc.

[Oliver_W]

what the dems hold now is irrelevant in this matter, as it has all been done in the sc.

If they wanted to do something about it, they would.

[The Slim Reaper]

If they wanted to do something about it, they would.

Such as, Einstein?

[Oliver_W]

Such as?

Protect the rights through new legislature?

[The Slim Reaper]

Protect the rights through new legislature?

Impossible to pass the senate as it would need 60 votes. Dems have 51 senators, but 2 of those side with republicans 95% of the time (manchin and sinema).

No republican would vote for it, especially with November elections on the horizon. Anything else, Aristotle?

[Liam-]

Ah, of course it’s the democrats fault that the republicans cheated to block Obama from appointing someone to the court and then packed the court with their own hand picked extremists, to dismantle everything they can in the name of religion

[The Slim Reaper]

All the anti-trans allies of women sure lost interest in protecting womens rights, the minute their actual rights have been infringed. I wish I could have seen this coming...

[bots]

all it does is put the responsibility back on each individual state. The largest populations are all democrat states and they will all allow abortion as before. Its a backward step for those living in republican states, but they largely support the supreme court ruling anyway

[Liam-]

All the anti-trans allies of women sure lost interest in protecting womens rights, the minute their actual rights have been infringed. I wish I could have seen this coming...

They’ll be happy again when scotus goes after the same-sex intimacy and marriage rulings like Clarence Thomas wants to do, don’t worry

[The Slim Reaper]

They’ll be happy again when scotus goes after the same-sex intimacy and marriage rulings like Clarence Thomas wants to do, don’t worry

Criminalisation for abortion is up next. Gays have got a good full year before they're up. Absolutely pitiful culture warriors.

[user104658]

all it does is put the responsibility back on each individual state. The largest populations are all democrat states and they will all allow abortion as before. Its a backward step for those living in republican states, but they largely support the supreme court ruling anyway

This is a massive misconception to be honest; it's like saying the whole UK supports Tory policies because our election outcomes keep coming up Tory. The MOST republican state is only 65% red, and most red states are much closer to 50% than that. It would be much simpler if people were indeed clustered in the states that matched their own politics and beliefs... in reality, at least 1/3 of even the reddest states are not Republicans.

[bots]

This is a massive misconception to be honest; it's like saying the whole UK supports Tory policies because our election outcomes keep coming up Tory. The MOST republican state is only 65% red, and most red states are much closer to 50% than that. It would be much simpler if people were indeed clustered in the states that matched their own politics and beliefs... in reality, at least 1/3 of even the reddest states are not Republicans.

But we have all seen the weird bible bashing states on the TV. The people that live there know what it's all about and what its like to live there. There will be nothing shocking to them in this ruling, to suggest otherwise is intentionally misleading

[user104658]

But we have all seen the weird bible bashing states on the TV. The people that live there know what it's all about and what its like to live there. There will be nothing shocking to them in this ruling, to suggest otherwise is intentionally misleading

Well yes but that's like saying it's not shocking when Tories let school children go hungry so that they can give their London pals another tax cut. It's not shocking at all but it's still absolutely appalling. If anything it's worse that it isn't shocking.

[bots]

when you hear phrases like "praise the lord" and "god has decided" in reference to this ruling, it really calls into question if there is any real difference between the USA and the middle east

[Liam-]

when you hear phrases like "praise the lord" and "god has decided" in reference to this ruling, it really calls into question if there is any real difference between the USA and the middle east

There is literally no difference, this is what happens when religion is allowed to be the controlling factor over a country, the worst parts get highlighted and it ****s people over beyond belief, as long as the minority are okay with it, there should always be a clear and concise separation between church and state

[user104658]

when you hear phrases like "praise the lord" and "god has decided" in reference to this ruling, it really calls into question if there is any real difference between the USA and the middle east

The United States was effectively founded on religious fundamentalism; groups of separatist cults escaping the established orthodoxy of Europe to "start anew" (and grow exponentially) in The New World. And it's heavily protected by their religion-like dogmatic worship of "The Constitution" which means that these populations will always be disproportionately represented in power (small god-fearing states have a ridiculously disproportionate voting power).

I doubt it's fixable, it's baked right into the very ingredients of the country, and generation upon generation are raised to ultimately accept "what's constitutional". Roe vs Wade was ALWAYS flawed because it was based on a successful legal argument that the right to abortion was constitutional - a precedent that's always been on a knife-edge - meaning that the whole thing collapses if that one consensus collapses.

[MTVN]

The United States was effectively founded on religious fundamentalism; groups of separatist cults escaping the established orthodoxy of Europe to "start anew" (and grow exponentially) in The New World. And it's heavily protected by their religion-like dogmatic worship of "The Constitution" which means that these populations will always be disproportionately represented in power (small god-fearing states have a ridiculously disproportionate voting power).

I doubt it's fixable, it's baked right into the very ingredients of the country, and generation upon generation are raised to ultimately accept "what's constitutional". Roe vs Wade was ALWAYS flawed because it was based on a successful legal argument that the right to abortion was constitutional - a precedent that's always been on a knife-edge - meaning that the whole thing collapses if that one consensus collapses.

That's how this country was governed for a while until it went to **** and they restored a monarch who preferred booze and women, one to thank the monarchy for

[user104658]

That's how this country was governed for a while until it went to **** and they restored a monarch who preferred booze and women, one to thank the monarchy for


True, but they didn’t have the damn Internet making things 10x worse :fist:

[Sticks]

Excuse me the topic for this thread, if you had forgotten is "USA : President Joe Biden 3rd Nov 2020 " not the ruling of a court in a foreign land.

I call on the moderators or admins to stream off the posts about this ruling into a separate thread. When I was an active moderator on another forum, that is what we would do if a discussion went off topic.

I would have reported the posts, but the reasons we are allowed to report a post for is limited on this site.

[MTVN]

You raise a fair point Sticks, I have heeded your call :douf:

[MTVN]

The Biden thread can now return to just being used for gifs of him falling off his bike

[arista]

The Biden thread can now return to just being used for gifs of him falling off his bike


OK Fair Enough

[arista]

Ch4HDnews gave a good report
even showing the 1973 broadcast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

Some fear backstreet abortions
could cause mother deaths, by error

Many have reported.

[The Slim Reaper]

Embarrassing.

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[Oliver_W]

Excuse me the topic for this thread, if you had forgotten is "USA : President Joe Biden 3rd Nov 2020 " not the ruling of a court in a foreign land.

I call on the moderators or admins to stream off the posts about this ruling into a separate thread. When I was an active moderator on another forum, that is what we would do if a discussion went off topic.

I would have reported the posts, but the reasons we are allowed to report a post for is limited on this site.

Making it a new thread was a good move, some things shouldn't be lost in the noise of a megathread.

[Swan]

The 3 G's in the USA as my friend say's. Guns. God. Government. In that order.

Appalling ruling, truly appalling. The knock on affect of this in the years to come shall be catastrophic, make no mistake about it.

[user104658]

All the anti-trans allies of women sure lost interest in protecting womens rights, the minute their actual rights have been infringed. I wish I could have seen this coming...

I personally wouldn't say there's any particular link between what some would brand "TERF feminism" and being in support of anti-abortion laws, to be fair... quite the opposite really; most people I've seen in TERFy circles are rightly horrified by this news. It's bad news for everyone and should be seen as such. Of course there will always be those who will jump on a political bandwagon as a means to their own ends.

[user104658]

Some fear backstreet abortions
could cause mother deaths, by error


This isn't a "some fear", it's a straight up certainty that this will happen. Deaths, but also permanent health consequences, and those will fly right under the radar with many never even being reported.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Oliver_W]

"Life wins", apart from victims of gun crime, obvs.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

I'll get some popcorn for the riots.Antifa's weapons have been delivered.


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[Alf]

Are they expecting burglers?



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[Nicky91]

"Life wins", apart from victims of gun crime, obvs.

yeah us supreme court are pathetic hypocrites

[arista]

Are they expecting burglers?



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No Alf


It's Left Wing nutters


I would do the same if I owned that store
with big windows

[Beso]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/24/15/59475097-10949577-Tensions_over_the_future_of_abortion_rights_in_the _country_have_-a-42_1656081255675.jpg


Hell Yes. Madame

Angela raynor gets about.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWCwNkLWQAEZwny?format=jpg&name=small


Tamzin Outhwaite Tweeted this

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">By properly interpreting the Constitution, the Supreme Court has answered the prayers of millions upon millions of Americans. <a href="https://t.co/CsPFpNnUPk">pic.twitter.com/CsPFpNnUPk</a></p>&mdash; Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1540378975251341315?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan.]

Religious extremism backed up by fragile ego'd ***** who will happily give up their rights just to feel they are sticking it to the WOKE left.

[arista]

Religious extremism backed up by fragile ego'd ***** who will happily give up their rights just to feel they are sticking it to the WOKE left.


Nothing wrong with that
Slick Jordan

[UserSince2005]

What does priti Patel think because I’m going with her decision on this topic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Top comment from the DM article:

Funny everyone on the Left suddenly remembered what a woman is.......

[user104658]

Nothing wrong with that
Slick Jordan


Literally everything is wrong with that arista. Anti-intellectual tribalistic divisions have been deliberately fed at an increasing pace to keep everyone pointing the finger at each other, while those in powerful positions with agendas of their own (who couldn’t care less about anyone outside of their tiny circle, no matter who or what they vote for) push through things like this using the distraction and chaos as cover.

[Alf]

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[arista]

LBC News
8 USA States Immediately


Have Brought in,
it is now Illegal to have an Abortion.

Any that assist a Lady
will also be charged

[The Slim Reaper]

LBC News
8 USA States Immediately


Have Brought in,
it is now Illegal to have an Abortion.

Any that assist a Lady
will also be charged

What are your thoughts about it? Do you think it's a good/bad thing?

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JOE BIDEN, 2006: &quot;I do not view abortion as a choice and a right. I think it's always a tragedy.&quot;<br><br>JOE BIDEN, 2022: Abortion-on-demand, without limits, until birth. <a href="https://t.co/R45umDefNu">pic.twitter.com/R45umDefNu</a></p>&mdash; RNC Research (@RNCResearch) <a href="https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1540400912199458817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Alf]

Make America Great Again

It's only just begun

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I notice everyone’s suddenly using the word ‘women’ again.</p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1540628891106254854?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Cherie]

Terrible decision but then so is abortion until birth with no limits :umm2:

[Nicky91]

so rape babies are supposed to be born then

:idc:

according to moronic woke supreme court

[Oliver_W]

Terrible decision but then so is abortion until birth with no limits :umm2:

I agree - I lean more towards not being in favour of abortion, not after a certain amount of time anyway - something like the so-called "Heartbeat Bill" would be a fair compromise, of actually implemented properly.

But regardless of my opinion, a blanket ban on abortion is abhorrent.

[Oliver_W]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I notice everyone’s suddenly using the word ‘women’ again.</p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1540628891106254854?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ha. Even with all of the posturing, everyone really knows what a woman is (adult human female) and isn't (transwoman).

Using terms like "womb haver" is fine (to them) when talking about women's rights in the abstract, or when discussing less hot-button topics like job places allowing period leave. But I don't think until recently, Roe v Wade being appealed was seen as something which could actually happen.

And when it comes to sports, people supporting transwomen in women's sports were probably women who don't care about sports, and gay men in an act of LGBT"Q" solidarity.

[Nicky91]

abortion should be allowed, especially for rape victims (because it can happen that they might end up pregnant through such crime)

it should a women's freedom of choice with all honesty


supreme court better focus on more important things such as a ban on guns, but that is unnecessary according to them :rolleyes: because what, nothing enough shootings happened?

[The Slim Reaper]

so rape babies are supposed to be born then

:idc:

according to moronic woke supreme court

Damn those woke christo-fascists :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Missouri has become the first state to ban abortion following the Supreme Court's ruling on Roe vs Wade.

[arista]

What are your thoughts about it? Do you think it's a good/bad thing?


Many are for it,


Many are against it.


The Law is the Law


So Follow it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Many are for it,


Many are against it.


The Law is the Law


So Follow it.

I get that, I was just wondering if you had an opinion on it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Look at the state of this dumb, dem, centrist dweeb.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWDoBMrWIAA3ck-?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

I get that, I was just wondering if you had an opinion on it.


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[The Slim Reaper]

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/The-Handmaid-s-Tale-season-3-1934042.webp?r=1580916225216

Cheers dude.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ronald Reagan said, the only people who support abortion are those who had the great privilege of being born.

[The Slim Reaper]

Ronald Reagan said, the only people who support abortion are those who had the great privilege of being born.

I mean, that's fcuking genius. Probably not in the way he meant it to be, but top quality from the gipper.

[Sticks]

Conversely there are a great many couples who are childless, but not through choice. Something medically prevents them from having the children they want.

There is a shortage of candidates for adoption, so not every childless couple is able to adopt, so surely the answer to unwanted pregnancies, that are not literally life threatening to the mother is adoption of the child by these childless couples?

[Cherie]

Conversely there are a great many couples who are childless, but not through choice. Something medically prevents them from having the children they want.

There is a shortage of candidates for adoption, so not every childless couple is able to adopt, so surely the answer to unwanted pregnancies, that are not literally life threatening to the mother is adoption of the child by these childless couples?

So if for instance the woman was raped she should be forced to carry that child so some childless couple can have it? What about what that would do to her mental state

[Cherie]

What about a family who already has 4 kids and cannot afford to feed another mouth, should that woman carry that baby to full term and then explain to her children she is handing over their brother or sister to a stranger :shrug:

[arista]

What about a family who already has 4 kids and cannot afford to feed another mouth, should that woman carry that baby to full term and then explain to her children she is handing over their brother or sister to a stranger :shrug:

In the USA there are Charities
that can help.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

How would you dealt with incest? Would you expect a 13 year old to carry her fathers or brothers baby?

[Cherie]

In the USA there are Charities
that can help.

That is not the answer :idc: not every family is comfortable with charity

[Liam-]

The ‘freest country in the world’ just loves taking its citizens freedoms away from then doesn’t it

[Liam-]

How would you dealt with incest? Would you expect a 13 year old to carry her fathers or brothers baby?

Alabama does, unsurprisingly

[arista]

That is not the answer :idc: not every family is comfortable with charity


Look, there are smiling Medical Doctors
appearing on CNN HD
backing this change.


They do admit, however, it could be tougher on Black Mothers.



Life In The City.

[arista]

The ‘freest country in the world’ just loves taking its citizens freedoms away from then doesn’t it

No, its more like
one of the Freest countries in the world.



It is also a "New" Nation,
there was a fantastic time, when we ran the top half of America

[bots]

there will be so many knock on effects from this, and it's not an issue that is going to go away. America was already fractured, but this will make it much, much worse

[Crimson Dynamo]

there will be so many knock on effects from this, and it's not an issue that is going to go away. America was already fractured, but this will make it much, much worse

Its their democratic system in operation and as such in every state they have the power to change it if that is the will of the people.

[bots]

Its their democratic system in operation and as such in every state they have the power to change it if that is the will of the people.

yeah i know and the truth is that the major population centres are all democrat, so there is no change there. However, an indicator of a forward thinking country is the freedoms that it offers it's people. This is the equivalent of the taliban taking control

[Crimson Dynamo]

yeah i know and the truth is that the major population centres are all democrat, so there is no change there. However, an indicator of a forward thinking country is the freedoms that it offers it's people. This is the equivalent of the taliban taking control

Like guns its futile to try and judge USA by our standards

I am sure Putin is laughing however

:skull:

[Cherie]

Alabama does, unsurprisingly

I get the whole adoption thing, but it is not the answer for childless couples to force a woman to take a pregnancy to full term, give birth and then hand the child over, I don’t think some men understand the connection that forms as the pregnancy advances, feeling the baby kick and the bond that forms, not to mention having to give birth to a child you will never hold, it’s one thing to enter a surrogacy arrangement with free will, it’s entirely different for someone who you might not even have voted for to decide you as a woman have to carry this child to term ...no mention of maintenance by the Dad either....they get off Scot Free as per

[Liam-]

There are hundreds of thousands of children in the system waiting to be adopted, why don’t the pro-lifers give those children homes rather than forcing people to bring even more unwanted children into the world.

I actually don’t even consider these people pro-life tbh, they’re pro-birth, they don’t give a **** what happens to a person after they’re born

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are hundreds of thousands of children in the system waiting to be adopted, why don’t the pro-lifers give those children homes rather than forcing people to bring even more unwanted children into the world.

I actually don’t even consider these people pro-life tbh, they’re pro-birth, they don’t give a **** what happens to a person after they’re born

I guess they think that they deserve to be born when they have been conceived by actual living humans?

who have choice to make them

99.99999999999999999999999% of the time

[Crimson Dynamo]

A wee baby about to be born. No it's inconvenience. Kill it

A repeat paedo..NO he must live we can't kill people.

:skull:

[The Slim Reaper]

So is it fair to say you support this, LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So is it fair to say you support this, LT?

You knock yourself out Slim

[The Slim Reaper]

You knock yourself out Slim

Just asking a question. Being anti-abortion is a semi-understandable position. Not judging you for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just asking a question. Being anti-abortion is a semi-understandable position. Not judging you for it.

I'd stick to expressing your own opinions slim

Let's face it

They are the ones you love the mostest after all

Lol

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd stick to expressing your own opinions slim

Let's face it

They are the ones you love the mostest after all

Lol

Weird reply, but ok. You could have just not bothered replying to the original question rather than trying to be a dick about it. Enjoy your evening.

[Swan]

Im usually quite open minded when it comes to anything really, not this though. Even Guns, i can, at times see the argument. But this is something i will always be 100% against.

Abortion should be a basic woman's right, the US truly is disgusting at times. It's getting worse too.

Im gonna get passionate, and personal here. When i 16 my girlfriend became pregnant (also 16). She wasn't ready, i wasn't ready, our home lives were a mess, she was about to go into sixth form. I had just started a really good job, well paid for a 16 year old. We were not ready for a child, it wouldn't of been fair on the child. We stayed up all night and day discussing it, and came to the right conclusion in the end. My girlfriend went on to get an abortion. I have no regrets. I felt guilty at the time, but looking back it was completely the right thing to do.

Judge me all you like. I don't care. It's a woman's body, it's HER choice. It's NOT 'murder' either.

A very, very sad, dark day for the US.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Weird reply, but ok. You could have just not bothered replying to the original question rather than trying to be a dick about it. Enjoy your evening.

Truth, it's a bitch

[Niamh.]

Absolutely disgusting decision. The states is falling to pieces

[user104658]

Its their democratic system in operation and as such in every state they have the power to change it if that is the will of the people.


Not really. The way US. “Democracy” works means that the majority will of the people doesn’t necessarily reflect in election results.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not really. The way US. “Democracy” works means that the majority will of the people doesn’t necessarily reflect in election results.

" The way US democracy works"

Yes, it does

[user104658]

" The way US democracy works"

Yes, it does

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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One vote

One human

If you have something better..

[user104658]

One vote

One human

If you have something better..


But that’s specifically NOT how the US system works LT. You’re describing a pure democracy. The US is not a pure democracy. Some people’s votes are worth over 10x others… that’s what I was talking about :think:

[arista]

Im usually quite open minded when it comes to anything really, not this though. Even Guns, i can, at times see the argument. But this is something i will always be 100% against.

Abortion should be a basic woman's right, the US truly is disgusting at times. It's getting worse too.

Im gonna get passionate, and personal here. When i 16 my girlfriend became pregnant (also 16). She wasn't ready, i wasn't ready, our home lives were a mess, she was about to go into sixth form. I had just started a really good job, well paid for a 16 year old. We were not ready for a child, it wouldn't of been fair on the child. We stayed up all night and day discussing it, and came to the right conclusion in the end. My girlfriend went on to get an abortion. I have no regrets. I felt guilty at the time, but looking back it was completely the right thing to do.

Judge me all you like. I don't care. It's a woman's body, it's HER choice. It's NOT 'murder' either.

A very, very sad, dark day for the US.



No,
that's fair of you to share.

[AnnieK]

Im usually quite open minded when it comes to anything really, not this though. Even Guns, i can, at times see the argument. But this is something i will always be 100% against.

Abortion should be a basic woman's right, the US truly is disgusting at times. It's getting worse too.

Im gonna get passionate, and personal here. When i 16 my girlfriend became pregnant (also 16). She wasn't ready, i wasn't ready, our home lives were a mess, she was about to go into sixth form. I had just started a really good job, well paid for a 16 year old. We were not ready for a child, it wouldn't of been fair on the child. We stayed up all night and day discussing it, and came to the right conclusion in the end. My girlfriend went on to get an abortion. I have no regrets. I felt guilty at the time, but looking back it was completely the right thing to do.

Judge me all you like. I don't care. It's a woman's body, it's HER choice. It's NOT 'murder' either.

A very, very sad, dark day for the US.

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons. :hug:

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

[Cherie]

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons. :hug:

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).


Great post Annie

[bots]

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons. :hug:

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

yes, i think ultimately, if a sizeable group are no longer able to make their own choices on how they live their lives, then that country no longer has a free society. They have criminalised women's behaviour, not men's and that is a shocking backward step for a country that is supposed to be the leader of the free world

[Cherie]

The idea that women should be forced to stay pregnant to fulfil the wishes of a childless couple is very Gileadesque

The blunt truth is most childless couples want the child to have at least one of the parents genes and science can provide that today

[Nicky91]

The idea that women should be forced to stay pregnant to fulfil the wishes of a childless couple is very Gileadesque

The blunt truth is most childless couples want the child to have at least one the parents genes and science can provide that today

especially victims of rape :umm2:


imagine if that baby when born also ending up to look like the person who raped you :yuk:


USA really going to new lows by the day it seems

[user104658]

Believe it or not it gets even worse as it opens up the possibility that terminations will be illegal even when the pregnant woman’s health is at serious risk or even when there’s a significant risk of death. In practice some of these states will probably implement laws where medical terminations are allowed when the mothers life is at risk - but not all of them - and even in the ones that do it’ll be down to doctors to decide what’s “acceptable risk” with the choice taken completely out of the woman’s hands. It’s a completely horrific situation.

There’s plenty of philosophical debate to be had around being “pro” or “anti” abortion but that’s completely separate to the legalities of it. People who are anti-abortion should focus on contraception campaigns and education so that fewer people are in the terrible position of having to make that choice in the first place - not try to remove the choice. Or in terms of adoption, focus on setting up clearer, simpler routes to adoption and again education campaigns that might make people more inclined to CHOOSE that for themselves.

And here’s an absolutely wild suggestion; how about having a society that has the social and financial support systems in place for potential mothers to feel like they could have and raise a baby without having to worry about how they’ll both survive and thrive. It’s an absolute fact that there would be far fewer abortions if people were confident that they would be supported; financially, with good quality childcare, with access to education (again both in financial terms and with access to good quality childcare support).

But nah no one has time for any of that, just ban it and everyone else can figure out the rest.

[bots]

the real problem is you have the likes of Biden saying they will make every effort to overturn it, when everyone knows he is anti abortion himself. It's playing politics at the ultimate level of deception

[The Slim Reaper]

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[user104658]

the real problem is you have the likes of Biden saying they will make every effort to overturn it, when everyone knows he is anti abortion himself. It's playing politics at the ultimate level of deception


I think the elephant hiding in the shadows in the corner is that, like a lot of large political moments in recent memory, this seems practically designed to further stoke the culture wars and associated divisions.

I believe there’s a sound ire of Trump floating around where he states that “if Roe vs Wade was to be overturned” (so made prior to it happening) it would ultimately be a massive net negative for the Republicans in the US. Basically he thinks it’ll flip a lot of swing voters to Blue.

If this analysis is right, then the democrats actually stand to benefit from this, so long as they keep making the right noises.

[The Slim Reaper]

the real problem is you have the likes of Biden saying they will make every effort to overturn it, when everyone knows he is anti abortion himself. It's playing politics at the ultimate level of deception

He is useless, but he's also said his religious views have no right to infringe upon the rights of others.

[bots]

I think the elephant hiding in the shadows in the corner is that, like a lot of large political moments in recent memory, this seems practically designed to further stoke the culture wars and associated divisions.

I believe there’s a sound ire of Trump floating around where he states that “if Roe vs Wade was to be overturned” (so made prior to it happening) it would ultimately be a massive net negative for the Republicans in the US. Basically he thinks it’ll flip a lot of swing voters to Blue.

If this analysis is right, then the democrats actually stand to benefit from this, so long as they keep making the right noises.

i think its irrelevant to be honest. Those that are pro abortion in the republican states already vote democrat and they are swamped by the bible waving nutters

[user104658]

He is useless, but he's also said his religious views have no right to infringe upon the rights of others.


Well quite, a person can be against abortion (morally) whilst still being pro-choice (in terms of legality) but unfortunately most people will struggle to grasp that nuance… and when they see it in others it’ll be branded hypocrisy.

[bots]

we always find it a big plus when politicians have the courage to stand by their convictions. There is a good reason that Corbyn bombed. He didn't have that courage and demonstrated it on multiple occasions and that's why he ultimately failed miserably

[user104658]

i think its irrelevant to be honest. Those that are pro abortion in the republican states already vote democrat and they are swamped by the bible waving nutters


Not necessarily, simple fact is that the thing that drives most “moderate” voters in red states is tax/money. Complacency in believing that all republican voters are bible-thumping extremists is a large part of what lost Hillary the election in 2016; Trump made an appeal to the “hard working American” and it resonated. There are Red voters who vote Red for their wallets who can be tipped the other way if things start to look “too extreme”… worth remembering that a lot of republican voters also consider themselves to be libertarian especially in terms of the self/property and whilst that means they won’t have liked Wade vs Roe in the first place (federal law dictating state law) … many also won’t be a fan of overly restrictive state law.

[Swan]

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons. :hug:

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

That really is a lovely, great post. The guilt was there for a long time, but absolutely no regrets. My gf at the time is now married and has 2 children of her own (our relationship was a rocky one, great at times, very bad at others, no environment for a child, when we were still children ourselves) and im happy for her.

Also, im so glad you were successful :hug:

I think at times, had we had the baby, what would our lives be now, what would the child's life be now? If im honest, probably not great all round. It wouldn't have been fair on the baby, it's that simple. The right decision was made.

We also did the right thing (not right for all) imo, not to tell our families, although my gf did tell her older sister, she was very helpful. Had we told our families it might have made things more tricky.

Back to topic though. As i said in a previous post. Im 100% against this ruling. Nothing will ever change my mind and i think the US is a pretty disgusting county on the whole.

[user104658]

we always find it a big plus when politicians have the courage to stand by their convictions. There is a good reason that Corbyn bombed. He didn't have that courage and demonstrated it on multiple occasions and that's why he ultimately failed miserably


I don’t think it’s about standing by conviction though, you can believe that something is the right thing whilst also believing that it’s wrong to force others to think the same/to comply with your idea of right. There’s no inherent contradiction there. I can think of many, MANY things that I personally would never choose to do that I don’t think should be made illegal for others to do.

[Oliver_W]

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Black and Hispanic women have much higher rates of abortion than white women. If white supremacists were worried about white birth rates, they'd surely be encouraging it, at least in certain communities.

She stumbled over her words so I find it plausible she misspoke. Don't know who she is though, so for all I know she could be a supremacist.

[bots]

I don’t think it’s about standing by conviction though, you can believe that something is the right thing whilst also believing that it’s wrong to force others to think the same/to comply with your idea of right. There’s no inherent contradiction there. I can think of many, MANY things that I personally would never choose to do that I don’t think should be made illegal for others to do.

nah, that never resonates with your average voter

[user104658]

Black and Hispanic women have much higher rates of abortion than white women. If white supremacists were worried about white birth rates, they'd surely be encouraging it, at least in certain communities.


It’s true that declining populations are an issue and if domestic birth rates are low then the only solution is increased immigration but yes the maths in what you’re saying here is also true; to believe that this law change would have any effect beyond “net zero” for white supremacists, you’d have to believe that white people are having abortions at HIGHER rates than non-white people.

Beyond that, you’d have to believe that abortion rates are so high that it makes any real difference either way (which they aren’t; declining population rates are down to people choosing not to get pregnant in the first place, not people aborting pregnancies).

If they move to ban contraception then I think some major red flags go up. Again it’s difficult to draw a racial line on that one though. It would simply increase birth rates across the board, not just for white people.

I suppose there could be an argument that it works out for white supremacists because it’ll only be implemented in certain states? I honestly don’t think the maths work out there though. Again, abortions are not being carried out at such a rate that it would have any impact at all on population demographics.

[user104658]

nah, that never resonates with your average voter


The average voter votes on slogans and bullet points, I don’t think that’s ever been in question.

I’m not convinced they vote on conviction though. Look at both Trump and the Tories. People vote on their big promises at election time and don’t give a shiny sh** when those promises are never actually fulfilled.

[The Slim Reaper]

we always find it a big plus when politicians have the courage to stand by their convictions. There is a good reason that Corbyn bombed. He didn't have that courage and demonstrated it on multiple occasions and that's why he ultimately failed miserably

This is just false, bots. Corbyn is the only politician who is still fighting for the things today, he has been fighting for since the 70's. Johnson? Starmer doesn't even have the same convictions he had a year ago. Corbyn's still raked in loads more votes than brown or Miliband in the 19 election and millions more in 17. There is a reason why the public are taking to Mick Lynch.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its actually an interesting point about Lynch - who has been on more media than i have seen any political figure since perhaps Nigel during the brexit ref - he is well across his brief and able to swat away most attempts by interviewers to try and provoke or unstable him.

He seems to be the person that Starmer should be but isnt to appeal to traditional Labour voters.

[Oliver_W]

Its actually an interesting point about Lynch - who has been on more media than i have seen any political figure since perhaps Nigel during the brexit ref - he is well across his brief and able to swat away most attempts by interviewers to try and provoke or unstable him.

He seems to be the person that Starmer should be but isnt to appeal to traditional Labour voters.

Especially against someone like Johnson. Starmer's lawyer tactics would probably work great against a proper politician, but BoJo is all bluster and hot air, so nothing really lands.
Say what you like about Corbyn, but when it comes to the dispatch box, he was a better match for Johnson. Neither really ever objectively "won", it would depend on who you liked more really. But there's no point in trying to be clever when "debating" someone like Johnson.

That said, Starmer's tactics do work in "talking to the rest of the room", so even if Johnson brushes it off, his points are still made, and it highlights what a buffoon he is.

[arista]

Nancy Pelosi

Said it is a Slap in the Face to women.

CNN HD Inside Politics live across the world
debating the 11 states that were quick to Ban Abortion
as soon as they could,


The Republican Attorney General of Oklahoma
John O' Conner
said it is the safest place to be
for child.

Police are now banning Abortion
in his state.

[arista]

President Biden is saying he will help
women get to another state?

[arista]

https://i.inews.co.uk/content/uploads/2021/06/SEI_83600112-1536x1022.jpg


A Fantastic Scene
from the near Future "Handmade's Tale"

[user104658]

President Biden is saying he will help
women get to another state?

There will undoubtedly be laws made that make it illegal for women to travel to other states for the purpose of getting an abortion. Depending on what laws are made, yes women will be able to access abortion in other states, but they may have to then stay there. At least for a period of time that makes it viable that they didn't travel "for" an abortion.

[user104658]

It's a situation that simply can't go on forever anyway... it's a legal mess. The states that are outlawing it are effectively calling it murder - murder is a federal crime, obviously - but you can't have a federal crime that isn't a crime in all states. It's pretty much the definition of a federal offense.

[arista]

There will undoubtedly be laws made that make it illegal for women to travel to other states for the purpose of getting an abortion. Depending on what laws are made, yes women will be able to access abortion in other states, but they may have to then stay there. At least for a period of time that makes it viable that they didn't travel "for" an abortion.


Yes they will have to
trick the Police

[user104658]

Yes they will have to
trick the Police

They'll have to not tell anyone, which is a very sad situation in itself. You can't get arrested for going out-of-state for an abortion if no one ever knew you were pregnant.

[arista]

They'll have to not tell anyone, which is a very sad situation in itself. You can't get arrested for going out-of-state for an abortion if no one ever knew you were pregnant.


Yes, others are saying they want to post pills
that can terminate a child

[Crimson Dynamo]

RMgGwFX2KEs

[bots]

women will stock up on morning after pills, which given it terminates early will still be legal in most states. That is the obvious loop hole

[user104658]

Yes, others are saying they want to post pills
that can terminate a child

Early stage abortions are actually very straightforward and can (in actual first world countries) be as simple as going to a pharmacy.

The morals become much less clear as you progress through 2nd trimester and they are extremely murky once you get to the third trimester. I personally am against "no questions asked" abortions after 24 weeks - but even that doesn't mean completely anti-abortion, just at that stage there should ideally be clearer medical reasons or other circumstances in making the decision, some reason they couldn't access services earlier, or it be clear that the woman didn't know she was pregnant until a later stage than usual (unusual, but it happens).

But 1st trimester abortions should barely even be a moral debate let alone outlawed. 1st trimester miscarriages are extremely common and in fact so common that often they're not even identified as a miscarriage and no ones ever knows it even happened.

To look at it another way; we have sadly experienced two early miscarriages. Yes, it's a little sad to think about, but to suggest that it's even vaguely comparable to people who have experienced a stillbirth or a neonatal death is flat-out offensive. It's not the same thing as the death of a baby. Instinctually, we all know that.

[user104658]

women will stock up on morning after pills, which given it terminates early will still be legal in most states. That is the obvious loop hole

It causes an immediate shedding of the uterus lining so the egg never even attaches or starts growing; arguably it's not an "abortion" of any kind but yeah they're even outlawing that which just goes to show that it's not entirely about the "life being terminated".

The real risk is in people attempting an early "home abortion" 4 - 8 weeks down the line using morning after pills, which is extremely dangerous at the best of times, and even moreso when you couple it with the legal issues of then seeking medical attention.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://scontent.fgla3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/289006947_3947823272108970_4717653554116641523_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=7SGtc9aRyJMAX-bZmyQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fgla3-2.fna&oh=03_AVLNoJ6ucJ8VZm1vRPu1O8Ghr-KeFgBQa4eZfJuYbdXJKQ&oe=62DE4F98

Anyone get this?

[AnnieK]

https://scontent.fgla3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/289006947_3947823272108970_4717653554116641523_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=7SGtc9aRyJMAX-bZmyQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fgla3-2.fna&oh=03_AVLNoJ6ucJ8VZm1vRPu1O8Ghr-KeFgBQa4eZfJuYbdXJKQ&oe=62DE4F98

Anyone get this?

It will possibly be true. If someone gets pregnant, both parents will be liable to pay for that child until adulthood. I'm guessing the woman mentioned thinks that some men will murder their baby mommas rather than pay 18 years of child support. They take considerably more from men in the US than here.

[user104658]

Anyone get this?

I *think* they might mean that there will be men who have been cheating on their partner and get other women pregnant, and then because that woman can't get an abortion and will be having their child, they'll murder them instead.

I don't think it'll happen in huge numbers but it will definitely happen, especially when it's rich old men with a lot to lose.

Then again, as I've said before, rich people will quite clearly still be able to get abortions... so most of those men are more likely to throw money at the problem and make it go away.

[user104658]

It will possibly be true. If someone gets pregnant, both parents will be liable to pay for that child until adulthood. I'm guessing the woman mentioned thinks that some men will murder their baby mommas rather than pay 18 years of child support. They take considerably more from men in the US than here.

There's that too, and it may be a comment on the number of women who are pressured INTO getting an abortion that they don't actually want, at the insistence/pressure of the father. Which is an anti-abortion argument, but not one that's without merit, this is definitely something that also happens, especially with young people (or as mentioned above, when the baby is the result of an affair). As a totally separate debate, there SHOULD ideally be better checks in place to make sure women aren't pressured into getting an abortion, as the associated guilt and trauma can be massive.

[edited to add] Pressure can often come from parents/family, also.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I *think* they might mean that there will be men who have been cheating on their partner and get other women pregnant, and then because that woman can't get an abortion and will be having their child, they'll murder them instead.

I don't think it'll happen in huge numbers but it will definitely happen, especially when it's rich old men with a lot to lose.

Then again, as I've said before, rich people will quite clearly still be able to get abortions... so most of those men are more likely to throw money at the problem and make it go away.

Ah yes

I guess you could also postulate that a child could be born (who would have otherwise been aborted) that goes on to save humanity somehow

[user104658]

Ah yes

I guess you could also postulate that a child could be born (who would have otherwise been aborted) that goes on to save humanity somehow

I don't think the world can operate on something so "butterfly effect", though... it's impossible. You could equally argue, what if that child is born, grows up and learns to drive, and hits another kid with their car ... and THAT kid was going to cure cancer.

A good illustration I've seen also is ... what if a kid is bullied at school and it wrecks his life and stops him saving a load of lives as an adult. Is that bully now a murderer? But also... what if a kid is bullied at school and that sends them down a life path of wanting to help people and they DO then save a load of lives. Is that bully now a saviour?

Obviously neither are the case... it's just "stuff happening" and you can never really know the cause/effect.

[bots]

its simple, they believe violence will increase against women because women could well be saying no a lot more often

[Crimson Dynamo]

its simple, they believe violence will increase against women because women could well be saying no a lot more often

I wonder if whoever makes Durex shares have just gone up?

[user104658]

I wonder if whoever makes Durex shares have just gone up?

There's rumblings about states wanting to ban contraception, so I imagine not...

Not great for condom manufacturers if 26 states start banning them.

[bots]

There's rumblings about states wanting to ban contraception, so I imagine not...

Not great for condom manufacturers if 26 states start banning them.

the pope was really happy about the decision, so you just know its heading down the catholic road

[bots]

next it will be burning infidels at the stake

[Crimson Dynamo]

ROME (AP) — Pope Francis celebrated families Saturday and urged them to shun “selfish” decisions that are indifferent to life as he closed out a big Vatican rally a day after the U.S. Supreme Court ended constitutional protections for abortion.

Francis didn’t refer to the ruling or explicitly mention abortion in his homily. But he used the buzzwords he has throughout his papacy about the need to defend families and to condemn a “culture of waste” that he believes is behind the societal acceptance of abortion.

“Let us not allow the family to be poisoned by the toxins of selfishness, individualism, today’s culture of indifference and waste, and as a result lose its very DNA, which is the spirit of welcoming and service,” he said.

The pope, noting that some couples allow their fears and anxieties to “thwart the desire to bring new lives in the world,” called for them not to cling to selfish desires.

“You have been asked to not have other priorities, not to ‘look back’ to miss your former life, your former freedom, with its deceptive illusions,” he said.

Francis has strongly upheld church teaching opposing abortion, equating it to “hiring a hitman to solve a problem.” At the same time, he has expressed sympathy for women who had abortions and made it easier for them to be absolved of the sin of undergoing the procedure.

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-pope-francis-us-supreme-court-religion-f10a617f74b7219cb34077f51b15dd04

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">45th President Donald J. Trump celebrates the overturning of Roe v. Wade &quot;...and above all a victory for life!&quot; <a href="https://t.co/kL1k0xfjWy">pic.twitter.com/kL1k0xfjWy</a></p>&mdash; RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1540849281078263810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/26/11/59537561-10954197-image-a-30_1656239877123.jpg

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/26/11/59537561-10954197-image-a-30_1656239877123.jpg

I know thats just a snap shot but its backs up what I heard someone say a few days ago ago that it is the boomer generation in the US who support abortion, Gen Z and Millenials are anti ...

[user104658]

I know thats just a snap shot but its backs up what I heard someone say a few days ago ago that it is the boomer generation in the US who support abortion, Gen Z and Millenials are anti ...

Support drops with age: The Pew poll found support for abortion highest among those ages 18-29 (67% believe should be legal), compared with 61% of those 30-49, 53% of those ages 50-64 and 55% of those ages 65 and up.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/24/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-as-supreme-court-reportedly-set-to-overturn-roe-v-wade/?sh=54e11abb2f3a

[bots]

basically, the less likely someone is going to need an abortion the more they are against it

[Cherie]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/24/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-as-supreme-court-reportedly-set-to-overturn-roe-v-wade/?sh=54e11abb2f3a

Just relaying what someone who seemed to know what they were talking about said :shrug: they are pretty young in that tweet

[user104658]

Just relaying what someone who seemed to know what they were talking about said :shrug:

Polls don't lie :nono:. Although to be fair that's a poll of everyone - maybe it's different in polls of "red states only".

[bots]

there are a lot of violent protests going on around the country

[Niamh.]

&lt;blockquote class="twitter-tweet"&gt;&lt;p lang="en" dir="ltr"&gt;45th President Donald J. Trump celebrates the overturning of Roe v. Wade &quot;...and above all a victory for life!&quot; &lt;a href="https://t.co/kL1k0xfjWy"&gt;pic.twitter.com/kL1k0xfjWy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;— RSBN [emoji631] (@RSBNetwork) &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1540849281078263810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"&gt;June 26, 2022&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"&gt;&lt;/script&gt;Victory for life is such bull****, fat cats like him have no idea what it takes to raise a child or what poverty is

[Crimson Dynamo]

Victory for life is such bull****, fat cats like him have no idea what it takes to raise a child or what poverty is

but that isnt his fault?

poor people have no idea what it is like to be rich and have ever utterance used and abused by the world?

[Niamh.]

but that isnt his fault?



poor people have no idea what it is like to be rich and have ever utterance used and abused by the world?The point is he has no idea what it's like for women and girls in situations so hard they choose abortion

[Crimson Dynamo]

The point is he has no idea what it's like for women and girls in situations so hard they choose abortion

Does any world leader?

[user104658]

Does any world leader?


No which is why it should be down to the citizens; polls indicate that nearly 80% of US citizens are pro-choice. You’re a fan of democracy LT so why are you so against the will of the masses being implemented?

[Niamh.]

Does any world leader?

Why is that relevant? He's the one claiming that this decision is a "victory for life" I'm speaking specifically about this man who made this comment

[Crimson Dynamo]

No which is why it should be down to the citizens; polls indicate that nearly 80% of US citizens are pro-choice. You’re a fan of democracy LT so why are you so against the will of the masses being implemented?

Then in each state they can vote for a politician who also shares their views and if that person is in power they can change the position

No laws are made from polls

[user104658]

Then in each state they can vote for a politician who also shares their views and if that person is in power they can change the position

No laws are made from polls

This would rely on politicians being elected based on the single policy of abortions which is obviously not the case. The stats wshow quite clearly that the majority of people are in favour of abortion being legal (at the very least, early tsage abortions, up to 16 weeks) however that doesn't mean they feel passionately enough about it for them to over-rule the other policies they're voting for. You're living in a rather simplictic world if you think voters agree with the candidate they vote for on ALL issues. It's not really possible.

[Niamh.]

You know what else is annoying is I've seen a lot of people post on social media about this saying that basically most people who are "my body, my choice" were pro mandating vaccinations, the assumption that if you think one way on one issue that you automatically think a certain way on all other issues too.

[Beso]

I read this on fb...whilst it makes no sense, it made a lot of sense to me.



Can a 13-year old girl adopt a baby if she wants to?

No. Obviously not, are you nuts?

What about a 15-year old girl? Can she adopt a baby if she feels like it?

Absolutely not!

How about an 18-year old girl? Surely SHE could adopt a baby, right?

Still, no. No way.

What if she’s 20? No longer a teenager. A 20-year old can definitely adopt a baby if she feels like it, right?

Actually, no.

Hm. Weird. Why not? There are 400,000+ children in foster care, why can’t she adopt at least one of them?

She just can’t. You have to qualify to adopt a child. Rigorous background checks, home visits, proof of financial and mental stability, etc. it’s a whole thing.

Cool.

But if she, at 14, gets impregnated by an abusive ex-boyfriend (who shoved her out of his moving car and left her for dead), she must carry to term, give birth and just, figure it out somehow?

Yes. That is correct.

But, she’s only 14 …

SHE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. She should have been more careful. Made better choices.

So, to “punish” her for her poor choices, we force her into motherhood, which we’ve established she’s totally unqualified for? And now, we are suddenly comfortable with a young, traumatized girl, caring for a vulnerable little screaming human being that is wholly reliant on her for survival?

Yes. Absolutely. Such an unexpected blessing.

But …

BLESSING.

Got it. ����

[Alf]

What is a Woman?

Can a man get pregnant and have an abortion?

[Niamh.]

I read this on fb...whilst it makes no sense, it made a lot of sense to me.



Can a 13-year old girl adopt a baby if she wants to?

No. Obviously not, are you nuts?

What about a 15-year old girl? Can she adopt a baby if she feels like it?

Absolutely not!

How about an 18-year old girl? Surely SHE could adopt a baby, right?

Still, no. No way.

What if she’s 20? No longer a teenager. A 20-year old can definitely adopt a baby if she feels like it, right?

Actually, no.

Hm. Weird. Why not? There are 400,000+ children in foster care, why can’t she adopt at least one of them?

She just can’t. You have to qualify to adopt a child. Rigorous background checks, home visits, proof of financial and mental stability, etc. it’s a whole thing.

Cool.

But if she, at 14, gets impregnated by an abusive ex-boyfriend (who shoved her out of his moving car and left her for dead), she must carry to term, give birth and just, figure it out somehow?

Yes. That is correct.

But, she’s only 14 …

SHE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. She should have been more careful. Made better choices.

So, to “punish” her for her poor choices, we force her into motherhood, which we’ve established she’s totally unqualified for? And now, we are suddenly comfortable with a young, traumatized girl, caring for a vulnerable little screaming human being that is wholly reliant on her for survival?

Yes. Absolutely. Such an unexpected blessing.

But …

BLESSING.

Got it. ����

That's spot on Parm, great post

[Niamh.]

https://i.imgur.com/N2aUZPI.jpeg

[arista]

https://i.imgur.com/N2aUZPI.jpeg


Yes Fair Point,
but the USA is Split,
Those Republican States have their own law now

Police all been updated



Sign Of The Times

[arista]

What is a Woman?

Can a man get pregnant and have an abortion?


Keep Labours Starmer
out of this thread

[Beso]

https://i.imgur.com/N2aUZPI.jpeg

If livestock were wild, the females have no, or very little choice in who gets up them to impregnate them.

They also don't have the option to abort, the closest you will get to abortion in the animal kingdom is the killing, or abandonment of new borns by their mothers.

[Niamh.]

If livestock were wild, the females have no, or very little choice in who gets up them to impregnate them.

They also don't have the option to abort, the closest you will get to abortion in the animal kingdom is the killing, or abandonment of new borns by their mothers.

If Livestock were wild they wouldn't be live stock......

[AnnieK]

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[Cherie]

Well I feel if the US wants this then the Dad should be by law involved in the child's life if the mother decides to keep it, and by being involved I mean involved, not just transferring a few dollars at the end of the moment, every weekend with Daddy for starters, and at least 6 full weeks in the year where Dad has custody

[user104658]

If livestock were wild, the females have no, or very little choice in who gets up them to impregnate them.

They also don't have the option to abort, the closest you will get to abortion in the animal kingdom is the killing, or abandonment of new borns by their mothers.

Actually most primate species (and loads of other species) do have a high degree of female partner selection (and thus male competition); there's a lot of "trying to impress" with physical prowess and resource gathering, "peacocking" bewteen males in hopes of being chosen as a mate by as many females as possible. It's a bit like "Love Island".

The second part you've pretty much covered yourself there Parmy; animals DO abort, they just do it at birth. Normally for (to be bleak/blunt) the same reasons as humans often choose abortion; because there's a reason to believe they won't survive anyway, or because of a lack of resources to feed/raise them. Then there's bloody hamsters... they're notorious for eating their babies for no apparent reason/because they fancied a snack. :umm2:

[user104658]

Well I feel if the US wants this then the Dad should be by law involved in the child's life if the mother decides to keep it, and by being involved I mean involved, not just transferring a few dollars at the end of the moment, every weekend with Daddy for starters, and at least 6 full weeks in the year where Dad has custody

I wouldn't make this mandatory, there are plenty of mums out there who do not want any sort of shared custody (and for good reason).

[Liam-]

Well I feel if the US wants this then the Dad should be by law involved in the child's life if the mother decides to keep it, and by being involved I mean involved, not just transferring a few dollars at the end of the moment, every weekend with Daddy for starters, and at least 6 full weeks in the year where Dad has custody

You can be certain they’d find some way to say it’s unconstitutional to control a mans life or body, I’d personally back mandatory vasectomies for straight men until they can prove they’re set up and stable enough to start reproducing

[Cherie]

I wouldn't make this mandatory, there are plenty of mums out there who do not want any sort of shared custody (and for good reason).

and plenty Mums who shouldn't have children as well :shrug: of course there are flaws in what I proposed just as there are gaping flaws in what has been enshrined in law by the Supreme court

[Cherie]

You can be certain they’d find some way to say it’s unconstitutional to control a mans life or body, I’d personally back mandatory vasectomies for straight men until they can prove they’re set up and stable enough to start reproducing

That would be better tbf

[Liam-]

and plenty Mums who shouldn't have children as well :shrug:

Oh god, don’t start that conversation with him, Jesus

[Niamh.]

You can be certain they’d find some way to say it’s unconstitutional to control a mans life or body, I’d personally back mandatory vasectomies for straight men until they can prove they’re set up and stable enough to start reproducing

yep...... not that I would genuinely be behind mandatory vasectomies really but it certainly would prove a point

[user104658]

You can be certain they’d find some way to say it’s unconstitutional to control a mans life or body, I’d personally back mandatory vasectomies for straight men until they can prove they’re set up and stable enough to start reproducing

The elephant in the room is that there's already a looming population decline catastrophe on the horizon; aging populations eventually simply cannot function. Couple that with the fact that it's becoming near-impossible for a lot of young people to get to the point where they're "set up and stable" and you're left with... well. A lot of half-empty classrooms.

Also vasectomy reversal doesn't actually work half the time.

[Liam-]

yep...... not that I would genuinely be behind mandatory vasectomies really but it certainly would prove a point

You’d see how quick they developed a love of choice over ones autonomy

[user104658]

Oh god, don’t start that conversation with him, Jesus

Yeah Cherie don't make me point out the verified statistical fact that the vast majority of domestic abuse perpetrators are men; the MRA's really don't like it! :nono: #NOT ALL MEN reee

[Niamh.]

You’d see how quick they developed a love of choice over ones autonomy

100%

[Liam-]

Or, just wait until they get one of their mistresses pregnant and they want to deal with it

[user104658]

Or, just wait until they get one of their mistresses pregnant and they want to deal with it

These laws don't apply to the rich and powerful or their families, they'll have private doctors who will do it, just like they have "people" for everything else. There's no real morals or ideology behind it at the end of the day. It's rules for the cattle not for the farmers.

[Niamh.]

Actually just reading now that Trump (prior to becoming a Politician) claimed to be very Pro-choice. These guys make me sick, changing their opinions to suits whatever works better for them politically. playing with peoples lives

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[user104658]

Actually just reading now that Trump (prior to becoming a Politician) claimed to be very Pro-choice. These guys make me sick, changing their opinions to suits whatever works better for them politically. playing with peoples lives

Trump was a registered Democrat throughout most of the 2000's ... his red hat is 100% a costume and always has been. He doesn't personally believe even half of it. He said privately that Roe vs Wade being overturned would be net negative for the Republican party, whilst celebrating it in public. It's all pantomime.

[user104658]

N2e02QdzJgg

Oh FFS not this guy again, I thought we didn't want "armchair experts" on here.

[Liam-]

Trump publicly said in a televised interview that republicans are stupid and gullible and would believe anybody who used a few of their favourite words and he perfectly demonstrated it

[Niamh.]

Trump publicly said in a televised interview that republicans are stupid and gullible and would believe anybody who used a few of their favourite words and he perfectly demonstrated it

That reminds me of L Ron Hubbard and Scientology, before he started Scientology he said the best way to make money was to start a religion and he still has followers like Tom Cruise

[Niamh.]

N2e02QdzJgg

Are you against abortion LT?

[bots]

i think LT is just creating a debate

[user104658]

That reminds me of L Ron Hubbard and Scientology, before he started Scientology he said the best way to make money was to start a religion and he still has followers like Tom Cruise

Well yeah but that's if you believe that any of the "high profile" Scientologists actually believe in any of it :whistle:.

[user104658]

i think LT is just creating a debate

He was sobbing about "murdering wee babies" a few pages back and now he's wheeled out ol' Dr John, and that means business.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh FFS not this guy again, I thought we didn't want "armchair experts" on here.

He is a Retired Nurse Teacher and A and E Nurse

his videos have been viewed more than 429 million times

[Niamh.]

i think LT is just creating a debate

I was just curious, I don't actually believe he is tbh

[Niamh.]

Well yeah but that's if you believe that any of the "high profile" Scientologists actually believe in any of it :whistle:.

What purpose does it serve for someone like Tom Cruise in that case do you think? I read yesterday he hasn't seen his daughter Suri in 10 years because she's no longer a Scientologist so is a "suppressive person"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you against abortion LT?

I am not

making humans is a relatively easy process and there are way way too many of us and I think it should be controlled especially in Africa for example

[Beso]

You can be certain they’d find some way to say it’s unconstitutional to control a mans life or body, I’d personally back mandatory vasectomies for straight men until they can prove they’re set up and stable enough to start reproducing

I saw that on facebook today, but I've had a vasectomy and was told by the doctor that they are difficult to reverse successfully.

[Niamh.]

I am not

making humans is a relatively easy process and there are way way too many of us and I think it should be controlled especially in Africa for example

And this comes back again to women being able to have full control over their reproduction, I think I might have quoted the great David Attenborough more than once on this topic but I like this quote a lot and it's very relevant

David Attenborough states it plainly and often: “Wherever women are given political control of their bodies, where they have the vote, education, appropriate medical facilities and they can read and have rights and so on, the birth rate falls – there's no exceptions to that.”

[arista]

Trump publicly said in a televised interview that republicans are stupid and gullible and would believe anybody who used a few of their favourite words and he perfectly demonstrated it


Some are


On the other side as well

[Crimson Dynamo]

And this comes back again to women being able to have full control over their reproduction, I think I might have quoted the great David Attenborough more than once on this topic but I like this quote a lot and it's very relevant

David Attenborough states it plainly and often: “Wherever women are given political control of their bodies, where they have the vote, education, appropriate medical facilities and they can read and have rights and so on, the birth rate falls – there's no exceptions to that.”

Indeed but as that aint going to happen in time in Africa and with China taking it over by stealth prospects are very poor

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also The POpe and his vile mob are not helping Africa neither

[Niamh.]

Also The POpe and his vile mob are not helping Africa neither

No I was going to say, all those missionaries they sent over there preaching and converting and telling them all contraception was a sin etc

[user104658]

He is a Retired Nurse Teacher and A and E Nurse

Well he's certainly no more a perinatologist or antenatal midwife than he was a virologist so basically he might as well be anyone with an academic background and a pen.

his videos have been viewed more than 429 million times

Jacksepticeye's videos have been viewed more than 15.3 billion times but I'm not interested in his thoughts on my glaucoma risk or cholesterol levels either.

[Liam-]

That reminds me of L Ron Hubbard and Scientology, before he started Scientology he said the best way to make money was to start a religion and he still has followers like Tom Cruise

Both are literally cults, disguised as something else

[user104658]

Both are literally cults, disguised as something else

As is every religion, to be fair.

[Liam-]

As is every religion, to be fair.

Well, yes, precisely why my little atheist heart nears implosion whenever decisions like this are derided from a singular space of selective belief

[Niamh.]

Both are literally cults, disguised as something elseDefinitely

[Liam-]

Protect the unborn they said, we’re doing this to save children they said, we only care about the children they said

https://twitter.com/gavibegtrup/status/1543002460285026305?s=21

A ****ing shambles, anybody that supports a decision that allows **** like this to happen should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1543236937800204290?s=21

Texas literally going a century back in time, as any first world, developed country would do

[bots]

i don't think texas ever moved forward in time, it's always been a **** show

[Liam-]

i don't think texas ever moved forward in time, it's always been a **** show

True, they would most definitely still do a few public lynchings every now and then if they could get away with it for sure

[Cherie]

Protect the unborn they said, we’re doing this to save children they said, we only care about the children they said

https://twitter.com/gavibegtrup/status/1543002460285026305?s=21

A ****ing shambles, anybody that supports a decision that allows **** like this to happen should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves

An opportunity for whom? Poor child

[Crimson Dynamo]

A ban has not yet taken effect in Indiana, which meant that the girl was able to travel to Dr. Bernard for the procedure.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

#shes10

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1554656541462216704?s=21

A massive loss to the republicans, losing a vote like this in a deeply red, religious state is stunning

[arista]

Lucky Kansas

[bots]

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1554656541462216704?s=21

A massive loss to the republicans, losing a vote like this in a deeply red, religious state is stunning

they got caught on the hop because republicans usually outnumber dems 2 to 1. The dems mobilised their vote and boom, this happened. I hope it's repeated in the mid terms

[Niamh.]

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1554656541462216704?s=21

A massive loss to the republicans, losing a vote like this in a deeply red, religious state is stunning

That's great news