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Redway
18-07-2022, 02:53 PM
It goes without saying that males of old (at least) regularly had sex. with other men (sometimes teenaged boys, which by today’s standards is very questionable indeed but that’s not really the point) and there’s a plethora of research that’s kind of been conducted since then linking those ancient African/Greek/Roman practices with modern sexuality and how people (males and females alike) are more fluid sexuality-wise in general than is usually admitted in the general public. Personally I have my reservations but I do feel like more people than we tend to think of are indeed sexually-fluid (most people obviously have a stronger affinity for one gender over the other, usually the opposite, but one thing I’ve learnt over the past few years is that nothing’s ever really 100% black-and-white). Do you think sexuality as we see it today is too rigid or are the vast majority of people truly heterosexual after all?

Liam-
18-07-2022, 02:53 PM
No

Niamh.
18-07-2022, 03:01 PM
What you describe in your OP is men in power taking advantage of boys, that's not sexual fluidity, it's sexual abuse, no different from sexual abuse of children and young teenagers within the Catholic Church for example.

Cherie
18-07-2022, 03:09 PM
What you describe in your OP is men in power taking advantage of boys, that's not sexual fluidity, it's sexual abuse, no different from sexual abuse of children and young teenagers within the Catholic Church for example.

exactly

UserSince2005
18-07-2022, 03:25 PM
No, people know their sexuality for certain once they have experienced me.

Niamh.
18-07-2022, 03:26 PM
No, people know they sexuality for certain once they have experienced me.

Lesbian?

UserSince2005
18-07-2022, 03:27 PM
Lesbian?

:hehe: don't fool yourself

Niamh.
18-07-2022, 03:29 PM
:hehe: don't fool yourself

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/34/97/493497b55f216d6ad43db6bc9c1d7647.gif

GoldHeart
18-07-2022, 03:48 PM
I think there's more openess in sexuality,but someone who fooled around in their younger years might still class themselves as straight today & vice versa.

As for old Roman & Greek cultures, they just all seemed horny . Especially in Roman times with all the orgies . It seemed anything went back then ,no boundaries.

Redway
18-07-2022, 04:02 PM
What you describe in your OP is men in power taking advantage of boys, that's not sexual fluidity, it's sexual abuse, no different from sexual abuse of children and young teenagers within the Catholic Church for example.

That was just a sordid example I just had to use for the most contextual background. I definitely don’t come anywhere near close to condoning that kind of foolishness per se but when you think about it it does kind of hone home how free people of ancient times kind of appeared to be when it came to sex. (for good and bad). If you know what I mean.

Redway
18-07-2022, 04:05 PM
I think there's more openess in sexuality,but someone who fooled around in their younger years might still class themselves as straight today & vice versa.

As for old Roman & Greek cultures, they just all seemed horny . Especially in Roman times with all the orgies . It seemed anything went back then ,no boundaries.

But the thing is I don’t think any lad/man would experiment with another male (even if it was just a teenage/college thing) if there wasn’t some sort of inherent attraction. They might repress it as the years go on and end up identifying as exclusively-heterosexual but I just feel like if you actually bum/get bummed by another guy there’s more to your sexuality. Blowjobs I don’t really count like that because I know it’s just a common thing for lads to want to suck each other off out of curiosity more than anything else and that doesn’t tend to go anywhere.

Cherie
18-07-2022, 04:06 PM
I can't think of anything worse than getting it on with a woman :yuk:

Niamh.
18-07-2022, 04:07 PM
That was just a sordid example I just had to use for the most contextual background. I definitely don’t come anywhere near close to condoning that kind of foolishness per se but when you think about it it does kind of hone home how free people of ancient times kind of appeared to be when it came to sex. (for good and bad). If you know what I mean.

Well yeah but they were "free" to do a lot of things, like rape, murder, colonizing, torture...... :laugh:

Liam-
18-07-2022, 04:09 PM
I can't think of anything worse than getting it on with a woman :yuk:

Snap :hehe:

Redway
18-07-2022, 04:10 PM
Imagine how this thread would pan out if good-ol. lostalex was here.

Crimson Dynamo
18-07-2022, 04:21 PM
I can't think of anything worse than getting it on with a woman :yuk:

especially the ones with a penis

:shocked:

Zizu
18-07-2022, 04:23 PM
Lesbian?


Fabulously, witty and funny response !


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thesheriff443
18-07-2022, 05:10 PM
I think drink can lower peoples inhibitions

For me it’s a no

Cherie
19-07-2022, 07:39 AM
Lesbian?

:joker:

Redway
19-07-2022, 08:52 AM
I think drink can lower peoples inhibitions

For me it’s a no

True. Anyone can turn bi. after one-too-many tequila shots at the bar. At least for a minute.

ThomasC
19-07-2022, 11:21 AM
Good topic.

To answer your title - no

However, gay for pay, horniness, experimentation. I think men are more open to it than women even if they deny it.

Obviously some men would just not go there at all, but there will be a lot that will. Some will think that as long as they're not receiving anal then they're still straight or if they're not blowing they're still straight.

I just say, do what you want and forget the label.

I use a particular app a lot to know that a lot of 'straight' men look for gay sex.

ThomasC
19-07-2022, 11:23 AM
There's something hot about ****ing a straight bloke too, like massively hot. Lol

ThomasC
19-07-2022, 11:24 AM
I think drink can lower peoples inhibitions

For me it’s a no

:nono:don't tell lies

You're always flirting with me you little minx

ThomasC
19-07-2022, 11:26 AM
I turned Jordan gay.

True story.

He's now my beautiful friend. We'd probably be fwb if we met in real life.

Oliver_W
19-07-2022, 12:38 PM
Nah, the overwhelming majority of people are straight.

Having a (wo/)man crush or experimenting doesn't change one's sexuality as a whole.

That was just a sordid example I just had to use for the most contextual background. I definitely don’t come anywhere near close to condoning that kind of foolishness per se but when you think about it it does kind of hone home how free people of ancient times kind of appeared to be when it came to sex. (for good and bad). If you know what I mean.

I get what you're saying, but viewing those acts through a modern lens doesn't really work. The men raping the boys wasn't what we'd perceive as a homosexual act, the men (in most cases) weren't attracted to other males in general or the boys they were raping; as Niamh said it was an act of asserting power more than anything reciprocal or "romantic".

If anything it was probably closer to "prison gay", with the culture's social seclusion of women and delayed marriages.

Niamh.
19-07-2022, 12:44 PM
Nah, the overwhelming majority of people are straight.

Having a (wo/)man crush or experimenting doesn't change one's sexuality as a whole.



I get what you're saying, but viewing those acts through a modern lens doesn't really work. The men raping the boys wasn't what we'd perceive as a homosexual act, the men (in most cases) weren't attracted to other males in general or the boys they were raping; as Niamh said it was an act of asserting power more than anything reciprocal or "romantic".

If anything it was probably closer to "prison gay", with the culture's social seclusion of women and delayed marriages.

Yes, great analogy

thesheriff443
19-07-2022, 12:45 PM
:nono:don't tell lies

You're always flirting with me you little minx

I have a joke and a laugh with you.
I’m happily straight and confident to do so.

Redway
21-07-2022, 06:58 PM
Good topic.

To answer your title - no

However, gay for pay, horniness, experimentation. I think men are more open to it than women even if they deny it.

Obviously some men would just not go there at all, but there will be a lot that will. Some will think that as long as they're not receiving anal then they're still straight or if they're not blowing they're still straight.

I just say, do what you want and forget the label.

I use a particular app a lot to know that a lot of 'straight' men look for gay sex.

In this era of inflation most lads/blokes would go gay-for-pay. If it’s a choice between starving for three weeks and getting evicted or just letting some sugar daddy do his bits with your bum for however-many hundreds or thousands most people would obviously go for the latter, albeit in secret. Personally I don’t see doing anything for pay (within reason) as that deep.

Glenn.
21-07-2022, 07:06 PM
Straight guys are very easy

Redway
21-07-2022, 09:32 PM
I’m just whatever when it comes to sexuality. I identify as hetero. but I’m very far from belligerently-homophobic (guys who are like that are suss.). I have my preferences and they just happen to be of the more conventional kind but really whatever is is. I don’t think people realise how indifferent it’s possible to be about stuff like that but still be nothing other than straight (or whatever it is you are).

Redway
21-07-2022, 09:40 PM
I think that cool-headed ‘I’m really not out here trying to give an eff about things that aren’t super-important like that’ approach I have with things like this is the main reason certain people around me actually used to think I was kinda sus. myself. Really it’s just a certain generalised indifference to lovey-duvey stuff (not that I don’t appreciate or need it but it’s far from my number one priority with all the stuff and inner musings I have going on) and a certain self-contained horniness that I can relieve by jerking off alone with a bottle of Magner’s at most (without even having to watch porn. anymore, not even). Other people in the past have given more damns about my sexuality than I have but at the end of the day I’m not asexual or anything like it. I just do my thing quietly and don’t care if other people know about it or not. Your body count is surely your own business.