Sam Terry MP Sacked from his position by Starmer

[arista]

This is so wrong


Sam Terry MP Shadow Transport Minister
he was on the Picket Line in Euston.


He is now just an MP.

He was Live on AM TV news and AM Radio

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYpqND2XwAA6gF4?format=jpg&name=900x900

Sam talking Live to GMBHD itv early AM


https://news.sky.com/story/labour-frontbencher-sam-tarry-sacked-after-appearing-on-picket-line-during-rail-strike-12660158

[Liam-]

Starmer is showing that he goes against everything Labour is supposed to stand for, he needs to be replaced, a Tory is still a Tory, no matter what colour they wear

[bots]

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has sacked his junior shadow transport minister who joined striking rail workers on a picket line.

Ilford South MP Sam Tarry attended the protest at London's Euston station despite Sir Keir saying his frontbench MPs should stay away.

Speaking to reporters, Mr Tarry said "any Labour MP" would have "absolute solidarity with striking workers".

Labour said he had been fired for making unauthorised media appearances.

[arista]

Yes Liam

He should have said, do not do it again.

Starmer is in the wrong

[joeysteele]

Starmer is WRONG on this.

He's another who just doesn't listen.
This is so wrong.

[Zizu]

Surely Starmer has to resign after this disgraceful occurrence on his watch ??


Boris was blamed for everything the Tories ever did wrong


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[bots]

this is only the first real strike too, there are going to be a lot more. I can see a major revolt happening in the labour party too because Starmer has dug himself a hole it's going to be hard to get out of

[joeysteele]

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has sacked his junior shadow transport minister who joined striking rail workers on a picket line.

Ilford South MP Sam Tarry attended the protest at London's Euston station despite Sir Keir saying his frontbench MPs should stay away.

Speaking to reporters, Mr Tarry said "any Labour MP" would have "absolute solidarity with striking workers".

Labour said he had been fired for making unauthorised media appearances.

I totally agree with Sam.

[arista]

Starmer is like New Labour
now

[Swan]

Thinking back at past leaders of Labour in the past 20 years, is Starmer the most clueless?

[bots]

starmer has scored a lot of own goals during his time as leader, i can't remember another labour leader that was quite that bad

Whats the process for labour to boot him out?

[joeysteele]

starmer has scored a lot of own goals during his time as leader, i can't remember another labour leader that was quite that bad

Whats the process for labour to boot him out?

Generally Labour sticks with its leaders no matter how bad they are.

Corbyn was an exception where from day one of his election there were growing numbers in movements to get him out.
Labour party members however much more solidly backed Corbyn.
Hence he got his chance to fight 2 elections.

Starmer won't be moved by Labour until after the next election which if he does badly will likely see him resign anyway.

No leader of Labour has not gone on to fight at least one general election.
Except John Smith, a potentially great Prime Minister who was cruelly taken from life before an election was held.

The other thing is, this action unfortunately won't much affect the support the Party now has and in fact COULD bring back other voters long lost since 2001.

For me this is wrong of Starmer.
He should not have stated he did not want Cabinet members to join picket lines.
He should have left it to those individuals to decide.

This action today has me as a member in dismay.
Then Starmer was never my choice of leader.
Totally wrong of him in my view

[UserSince2005]

lol what a mess the trash party are

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/27/12/60750631-0-image-a-26_1658921954932.jpg

Sam Terry a normal MP


His Lady is the Deputy MP

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11054751/Angela-Rayners-boyfriend-Sam-Tarry-sacked-Labour-transport-minister.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/27/09/53267399-11052699-Ms_Rayner_41_is_believed_to_have_become_close_to_t he_39_year_old-a-39_1658909093034.jpg

[joeysteele]

Starmer is like New Labour
now

Sadly that does seem the road we are going on.
It may well bring electoral success but it's a concern to myself and a great number of members.

We haven't however inflicted 4 different Prime Minister's on the UK in only in the last 6 years from Cameron to whoever becomes PM now.
That chaos is hardly stabilising or competent.

I'd like to.hope Starmer will reflect on this decision.

There were you know a fair number of Labour members hoping Starmer may get fined after the investigation.
So that he'd resign.

For as long as he has the position over the Cons he has at present.
In the main from now, the vast majority of the Party will fall in line, many reluctantly, behind him.

[Beso]

It just shows the fickelness of labour politicians.

They have no real conviction if they back starmer whilst secretly thinking hes not the man to lead their party.


Have the balls to say it how it is, like their supporters do.

[joeysteele]

It just shows the fickelness of labour politicians.

They have no real conviction if they back starmer whilst secretly thinking hes not the man to lead their party.


Have the balls to say it how it is, like their supporters do.

I'd say there is fickleness in ALL UK wide Parties.
The Cons on their NOW 3rd attempt in only 6 years are going to end up with a leader most don't really want.

After all their ballots, Sunak got a bit over a third ONLY of the MPs votes.
Truss got even LESS than a third.

Such sadly is the present state of politics in the UK.

It's not just one Party's MPs who can be and are fickle.

[Oliver_W]

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a Tory, but sacking someone for supporting the unions isn't a good look for a Labour leader.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well done Keir

root out these nasty socialists

:clap1:

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a Tory, but sacking someone for supporting the unions isn't a good look for a Labour leader.

That's the main point..

He's likely no different to Blair really.
However I'd see going back to Blair's time as leader is disappointing for me.
Although it seems to be a winning formula.

I'll still support Labour because I want a better policymaking for the most vulnerable, sick and disabled.
Which will never come from the present Con heartless policymaking.

Politics is in a desperately bad place.

[Zizu]

That's the main point..

He's likely no different to Blair really.
However I'd see going back to Blair's time as leader is disappointing for me.
Although it seems to be a winning formula.

I'll still support Labour because I want a better policymaking for the most vulnerable, sick and disabled.
Which will never come from the present Con heartless policymaking.

Politics is in a desperately bad place.


True ... Labour need money to fund their ideals and I’m not sure that there is any


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

I didn't realise he was Angela Rayner's partner. That'll go down well!

[bots]

I didn't realise he was Angela Rayner's partner. That'll go down well!

it's a great plot twist :laugh:

[Zizu]

They need to have a vote if no confidence !!


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[arista]

Rachel Reeves was live on TV news
making up policy.
She was corrected, not sacked.

Labour claims that Sam was making up policy
Live on TV?

John McDonnell MP Labour
speaking Live on SkyNewsHD

[Cherie]

Rachel Reeves was live on TV news
making up policy.
She was corrected, not sacked.

Labour claims that Sam was making up policy
Live on TV?

John McDonnell MP Labour
speaking Live on SkyNewsHD

That is what I understood, it wasn't his appearance on the picket line that got him sacked, it was what he said on TV, not sure what he said though

[arista]

That is what I understood, it wasn't his appearance on the picket line that got him sacked, it was what he said on TV, not sure what he said though


He was talking about how Labour would back workers.

Of Course,
Starmer is worried about the next election in a few years.


His Girlfriend is Angela Raynor
The Labour Deputy with no power.

[arista]

BBC:
[Ilford South MP Sam Tarry attended the protest
at London's Euston station despite
Sir Keir telling his frontbench MPs to stay away.
Labour said the reason he was fired was for
unauthorised media appearances.

Mr Tarry said he had been standing
"in solidarity with striking workers"


"This isn't about appearing on a picket line.
Members of the front bench sign up
to collective responsibility.
That includes media appearances
being approved and speaking to agreed
frontbench positions.

"As a government in waiting, any breach
of collective responsibility is taken extremely
seriously and for these reasons Sam Tarry has
been removed from the front bench."

But the leaders of a number of unions have
criticised the party for the decision.

Sharon Graham, leader of Unite the Union,
which has more than a million members,
said Labour was "becoming more and more irrelevant
to ordinary working people".

The TSSA Transport Union, of which Mr Tarry
is a former member,
said Labour was "deluded" if it thought it could
win the next election "while pushing away
seven million trade union members".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62329521

[joeysteele]

This is to be frank ridiculous and petty from Starmer.

I'd prefer to KNOW what MPs of ALL Parties think and for them to be able to say what they think and feel too.
This collective responsibility is what is partly wrong with politics and government.
People shouldn't be made into robots to suit a Party line.

Did ANYONE really know Truss was against the NI increase until recently.
She was sent out on TV and defended it as the only way to fund the NHS.

Yet she claims she was against it all along while unbelievably voting for it however.

It's plain deceitful to impose on people that they MUST not express their own views and feelings

Starmer is being equally so.
He's not saying what he feels.
He KNOWS these strikes are justified as do most of the Shadow Cabinet too.
Sam said what he thought and he should be able to.

Starmer however knows the strikes are justified and the workers need support.
Yet he fudges his own real views and expects everyone else to follow his ridiculous line.

This is to me what's wrong in politics in a big way.
How can we trust or why should we trust anyone who is NOT able to say what they think.
Starmer is wrong ,wrong ,wrong on this.

He should have perhaps said Sam wasn't wise to express his own feelings.
However NOT to sack him.
I'm totally dismayed with Starmer.
He has a pretty good team around him but this pathetic dictatorial attitude he's developing as to stifling individuals being able to express their views..
Or to go and support workers in disputes.
Is a shocking look for Labour.

If Starmer will act like this to a man supporting workers rights.
Then maybe Starmer needs to look at his own position.

Or maybe Starmer doesn't like people being free to express their views and prefers to be like Johnson, to only have, yes Sir, yes Sir, three bags full Sir, people around him.

Sam is owed a massive apology and Starmer needs to do a u turn on this sacking.
If he doesn't, that says nothing positive about Starmer.
Fudging the issues of these strikes as Starmer is doing is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable

[arista]

Starmer
is going to the Next Election
like a New Labour Prime Minister.

He thinks the Blair way
is the only way into 10 Downing Street.

[bots]

Starmer
is going to the Next Election
like a New Labour Prime Minister.

He thinks the Blair way
is the only way into 10 Downing Street.

i think he is right there, but he needs to bring his traditional voter base along with him too or it won't work

[arista]

i think he is right there, but he needs to bring his traditional voter base along with him too or it won't work



Yes its a split in Labour

[arista]

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That was played
on Ch5HD live debate
which had the Asleef union boss
in the studio.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

This is Tarry's bid for leadership ..no?

[Crimson Dynamo]

1552331953310949376


That was played
on Ch5HD live debate
which had the Asleef union boss
in the studio.

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[bots]

This is Tarry's bid for leadership ..no?

he wants a return to a Corbyn type party which we know is a guaranteed failure. Politics is just so **** at the moment across the entire spectrum

[Cherie]

he wants a return to a Corbyn type party which we know is a guaranteed failure. Politics is just so **** at the moment across the entire spectrum

He is my local MP and he is ****e

[Cherie]

he wants a return to a Corbyn type party which we know is a guaranteed failure. Politics is just so **** at the moment across the entire spectrum

He is my local MP and he is ****e

He was well aware Starmer would have no choice but to sack him so it was a deliberate cynical ploy imo

[arista]

This is Tarry's bid for leadership ..no?


No
he was standing with workers
ready to die on his word,
which he did,
Sacked from the Front bench.

[Cherie]

No
he was standing with workers
ready to die on his word,
which he did,
Sacked from the Front bench.

yeah right power mad more like

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour is verging on a total split

[bots]

it's amusing really. Labour are just as split as the tories on the way forward, but instead of keeping their mouths shut and capitalising on the tory mess, they have hit the headlines with their own mess. Any hope that Starmer would win the next election becomes less likely each day. Given that Angela is in a relationship with Tarry, its inevitable that there is going to be a big split now between the leader and deputy

[arista]

Labour is verging on a total split


Starmer wants to stop that,
he needs to give a Live interview.

The Press could ask him
why he has changed his mind
on not taking over, the railways now.

[The Slim Reaper]

he wants a return to a Corbyn type party which we know is a guaranteed failure. Politics is just so **** at the moment across the entire spectrum

This isn't true, bots.

Within 2000 votes of forming a government in 17, and the recently released Forde report (at starmers instruction) explains that the labour right were actively holding money away from close races to keep their own party out of government, and his policies are still overwhelmingly popular, but the right wing media smears and brexit killed him in 19.

We have a group of people known as "the greatest generation" in this country, and when they came back from the horrors of WWII, they chose a Corbyn type party, which resulted in the NHS, a welfare state, access to education for working class people, and wages that could support families.

The problem in this country is the media relationship with the tory party, and the lengths they're willing to go to protect it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was <a href="https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Keir_Starmer</a> on a picket line in 2019. Is he going to sack himself? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RMTSolidarity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RMTSolidarity</a> <a href="https://t.co/GmARsmxf6c">https://t.co/GmARsmxf6c</a></p>&mdash; Diane Abbott MP (@HackneyAbbott) <a href="https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1552351939907780608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mick Schooling Starmer

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;He's got to pull his bootstraps up and stop trying to appeal to the Daily Mail.&quot;<a href="https://twitter.com/RMTunion?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RMTunion</a>'s Mick Lynch has a few lessons for <a href="https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Keir_Starmer</a>. <a href="https://t.co/MqnNZFOJaM">pic.twitter.com/MqnNZFOJaM</a></p>&mdash; PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) <a href="https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1552303482325065730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[joeysteele]

I could just about be led to believe that no matter the public presentation they desperately want to, that possibly really neither of the 2 main Parties actually DO want to win the next election.

Starmer is intelligent enough to know, this was only likely to portray Labour in a negative.
Yet didn't seem to consider that.

What's he going to do if alien like Truss does bring in legislation against Unions and rights as present to strike .
He'll have to oppose it but in what relevant and convincing way.

I wasn't born in 1979, however all my studies brought me to think Thatcher was right in her industrial relations reforns and curbing the power of the Unions at that time.

However by the end I would conclude myself she'd gone a bit too far.

Subsequent years after her with the rising inequalities there are now.
I think too much has been taken from the Unions now.

If Truss takes the UK down a route to please the rabid right wing media, I can see much greater chaos looming from that extreme policy.

However where will it leave Starmer?
Because action and much more passion will be needed to fight that.
Not just cleverly worded, near non confrontational or vaguely detailed scripting.

[arista]

Starmer has spoken
Clip just on SkyNewsHD
He stands by his actions

[arista]

[Workers should be offered pay rises in line
with inflation - however Labour's position
is that pay negotiations are for unions and ministers.
Speaking for the first time since he
was sacked, Sir Keir explained: "Sam Tarry was sacked
because he booked himself onto media programmes
without permission and then made up policy on the hoof.

"That can't be tolerated in any organisation because
we have got collective responsibility,
so that was relatively straightforward."]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-says-he-sacked-minister-for-making-up-policy-on-the-hoof-at-picket-line-12660613

[Crimson Dynamo]

[QUOTE=arista;11195060][Workers should be offered pay rises in line
with inflation - however Labour's position
is that pay negotiations are for unions and ministers.
Speaking for the first time since he
was sacked, Sir Keir explained: "Sam Tarry was sacked
because he booked himself onto media programmes
without permission and then made up policy on the hoof.

"That can't be tolerated in any organisation because
we have got collective responsibility,
so that was relatively straightforward."]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/4176/production/_124285761_hi070929139.jpg

[joeysteele]

Well he wasn't MAKING policy on the hoof.
He was stating his view that rises should be bigger.

Starmer never answers what he even thinks rises could or should be.
So how was this against and contradicting policy.
Since Starmer hasn't a POLICY or even a view it seems.

[Gusto Brunt]

I am wondering why Keir Starmer isn't the third candidate in the Tory leadership run.:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am wondering why Keir Starmer isn't the third candidate in the Tory leadership run.:hehe:

:joker:

[arista]

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[arista]

Sam was just live again on SkyNewsHD

At a communication union Strike.
Central London BT Tower

[joeysteele]

That doesn't make any sense Starmer when at present there's no solid policy directive on the strikes or the size of any increases of pay.

Saying it's for the companies and unions to work out but adding the government SHOULD be involved.
Is NOT a policy.

It's not even basic common sense.

It's wrong that a Labour leader would order any of his MPs to not be seen on a picket line of a justified dispute.

Sam Tarry stated they should get rises in line with inflation.
So if he was wrong to say that as HIS PERSONAL view.
Presumably Starmer then doesn't believe the workers do.
Explain that one Starmer and good luck trying to, because he will risk alienating hoards of working people on that one.
AGAIN.

[arista]

Starmer "booked himself onto media programmes
without permission and then made up policy on the hoof."

SkyNewsHD
pointed out Sam did say New Policy
for when Labour take power.

[bots]

it's not believable that he was sacked for going on TV. MP's make off the cuff statements on air all the time . If thats the case, does that mean that when Angela called all tories scum, it was an authorised labour position? I don't think so :laugh:

[arista]

it's not believable that he was sacked for going on TV. MP's make off the cuff statements on air all the time . If thats the case, does that mean that when Angela called all tories scum, it was an authorised labour position? I don't think so :laugh:


She got away with that.


Sam Spoke on long interviews
TV news and Live Radio.

[arista]

[Labour MP Sam Tarry has demanded further
details about a vote which led to him being
deselected as a candidate by his local members,
calling it a "manufactured political circus".

The former shadow transport minister
faced the ballot in his Ilford South constituency
on Monday night after local branches voted
in favour of the reselection process.

Mr Tarry lost by 499 votes to 361,
meaning he will not be able to fight for the seat
as the Labour candidate at the next general election,
with local members choosing the leader
of Redbridge Council, Jas Athwal, to replace him.

It is the first time one of the party's MPs has been
ousted this way in more than 10 years.]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-sam-tarry-wont-be-able-to-fight-next-election-after-being-de-selected-by-local-party-12717694

Bye Sam

Starmer does not want you.

[The Slim Reaper]

Joey - have you watched the labour files documentary?

[Cherie]

[Labour MP Sam Tarry has demanded further
details about a vote which led to him being
deselected as a candidate by his local members,
calling it a "manufactured political circus".

The former shadow transport minister
faced the ballot in his Ilford South constituency
on Monday night after local branches voted
in favour of the reselection process.

Mr Tarry lost by 499 votes to 361,
meaning he will not be able to fight for the seat
as the Labour candidate at the next general election,
with local members choosing the leader
of Redbridge Council, Jas Athwal, to replace him.

It is the first time one of the party's MPs has been
ousted this way in more than 10 years.]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-sam-tarry-wont-be-able-to-fight-next-election-after-being-de-selected-by-local-party-12717694

Bye Sam

Starmer does not want you.

back stabbing in politics who knew

[bots]

it's all dodgy af going back to the fact the winner was deselected at the last election as i said in the starmers labour thread :laugh:

[arista]

back stabbing in politics who knew


Yes a bit Nasty.


Starmer not willing to forgive his error
of speaking of a Policy on the Strike Picket line.

Also, just stated on Times Radio Live
Sam was the manager of Jeremy Corbyn.

Which tells is more of the reason.