I dont want people to hate laura. not fair...

[Wildcat!]

Anyone thinks that she deserves the same treatment than Emily got.
I am not offended but I am sure that soem people are.
And the fact that they showed it in the highlights like that...
They could have censored it, but decided not to.

[Meerkat]

why censor it?
get her out.

[Emilee]

i think homophobic is just as bad as rasism so yes!

[Bells]

Ideally, she should be punished for it in one way or another - otherwise complaints will be received, however not nearly as many (I don't think) that would've been received had Emily not been ejected.

[Psylocke]

In the context of Emily being thrown out,its only fair that Laura does too.

[CassetteFinger]

hopefully she will be gone on friday she said that word so normally like its a word she uses all the time to describe a gay person which isent nice get her out.

[Foebane100]

It did strike a bit of double standards.
But I think Laura does have a nasty streak to her, she is not the sweet Welsh girl like Helen she is trying to portray. Everytime I tune in she is either mean about someone or causing trouble by saying who said what to the wrong person.

[Wildcat!]

Just the fact that they showed it is gonna annoy a lot of viewers, why do they do that and not throw her out? People are definitely gonna talk.

[MR.K!]

she should be chucked out... either that or be evicted on friday with lots of tomatoes been thrown... only kidding

[rororo06]

she will be evicted on friday so what would be the pooint of throwing her out

[Callum]

No, glad she didn't get chucked out! Much prefer to see her booed and jeered on her eviction :D Mwuhahaha!

[andybigbro]

Yeah it was wrong so get her Out on friday

[Arneldo]

I wasn't offended, and i think that word is thrown around so much nowadays that it isn't the offensive word it was. The word '****' is now just another word for a gay man.

She shouldn't be thrown out, she didn't use it in an offensive way. People will be offended but i think the people who will be offended are shadowed people. It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said. I was happy with Laura just being told off.

[Lauren]

It's not considered as offensive as the 'n' word, HOWEVER... BB stated that it is against the rules to use language that could offend a social group on the outside - and I certainly think it's double standards to let this pass with just a warning.

[GiGi]

Originally posted by Arneldo
I wasn't offended, and i think that word is thrown around so much nowadays that it isn't the offensive word it was. The word '****' is now just another word for a gay man.

She shouldn't be thrown out, she didn't use it in an offensive way. People will be offended but i think the people who will be offended are shadowed people. It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said. I was happy with Laura just being told off.


Exactly, Davina even said it in last years house tour. Its said on tv all the time.

I was personally not offended by it, though its understandable that others may be,

That said, ,it doesnt really even compare to what Emily said.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by amzor
That said, ,it doesnt really even compare to what Emily said.

Why? The reason Emily was thrown out was cos the word she used offended a social group.
Just like the word Laura used could offend a social group.
Personally, I think a warning should have sufficed but compared to Emily's punishment it's like BB are deeming homophobia a step below racism - why should this be the case?

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by amzor
That said, ,it doesnt really even compare to what Emily said.

Why? The reason Emily was thrown out was cos the word she used offended a social group.
Just like the word Laura used could offend a social group.
Personally, I think a warning should have sufficed but compared to Emily's punishment it's like BB are deeming homophobia a step below racism - why should this be the case?

hit the nail on the head again L :thumbs:

[Sticks]

But what is the etymological derivation of this word?

Why was it associated as a derogative of homosexuals? My understanding is that it is used when men are acting in an effeminate manner, which is how she used it.

It was not directed at Gerry, where it could be seen as being more offensive.

One does seem to wonder if Channel 4 is being over sensitive . Lets hope that they don't use really offensive terms as mentioned here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,,1515015,00.html) :shocked:

[Wiglet]

The problem is the rule book and the BB producers have set a standard with Emily.

Whether you or I or the next person consider one word to be more offensive is neither here nor there. It is in the rule book that justice must be met out in a certain way. I bet Emily is rubbing her hands with glee or at least her 'representative' will be because I bet you there will be some sort of legal case if there is different treatment if the same rule is deemed broken.

[h87]

It didn't offend me and I'll be honest I use that word. What annoyed me is that Big Brother hasn't warned her about it already, I've heard her say it a couple of times before. If it was worthy of a warning yesterday, then why not before?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
It was not directed at Gerry, where it could be seen as being more offensive.

No, instead of directing it at one person she encapsulated a large social group - how could this possibly be better? Like Emily, she didn't mean it in an offensive manner - yet Emily was ejected.

What kind of message is this passing on?

The etymology of the word may not have as many negative roots as the 'n' word - however, it's been used in homophobic attacks, and so is just as offensive.

[Shaun]

Sticks has a valid point :whistle:

[Wiglet]

Originally posted by h87
It didn't offend me and I'll be honest I use that word. What annoyed me is that Big Brother hasn't warned her about it already, I've heard her say it a couple of times before. If it was worthy of a warning yesterday, then why not before?

Maybe that's why they felt the need to say something? Maybe it is such a socially acceptable word now that no one has said anything but then it only takes one complaint doesn't it?

[Feral]

Originally posted by Sticks
as mentioned here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,,1515015,00.html) :shocked:

What's that got to do with the weather?!!!

Sorry Sticks - link may be wrong.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by wiglet
The problem is the rule book and the BB producers have set a standard with Emily.

Whether you or I or the next person consider one word to be more offensive is neither here nor there. It is in the rule book that justice must be met out in a certain way. I bet Emily is rubbing her hands with glee or at least her 'representative' will be because I bet you there will be some sort of legal case if there is different treatment if the same rule is deemed broken.

You Freakin ROCK.

You always manage to perfectly sum up an issue.Lauren and you are possible the most articulate members here (sorry there my tounge came close to you guys asses lol)

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Feral
Originally posted by Sticks
as mentioned here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,,1515015,00.html) :shocked:

What's that got to do with the weather?!!!

Sorry Sticks - link may be wrong.

It's the right link... it has nothing to do with weather.

[GiGi]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by amzor
That said, ,it doesnt really even compare to what Emily said.

Why? The reason Emily was thrown out was cos the word she used offended a social group.
Just like the word Laura used could offend a social group.
Personally, I think a warning should have sufficed but compared to Emily's punishment it's like BB are deeming homophobia a step below racism - why should this be the case?

hit the nail on the head again L :thumbs:

Yeah but i dont think the word is as severe as what Emily said.

And the N word is derived from when black people were enslaved and this was a derrogatory word.

As sticks pointed out, the word ****, was origionally used to describe an affeminate man,

[Wiglet]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by wiglet
The problem is the rule book and the BB producers have set a standard with Emily.

Whether you or I or the next person consider one word to be more offensive is neither here nor there. It is in the rule book that justice must be met out in a certain way. I bet Emily is rubbing her hands with glee or at least her 'representative' will be because I bet you there will be some sort of legal case if there is different treatment if the same rule is deemed broken.

You Freakin ROCK.

You always manage to perfectly sum up an issue.Lauren and you are possible the most articulate members here (sorry there my tounge came close to you guys asses lol)

ooooh I say!:shocked: :spin2:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by amzor
And the N word is derived from when black people were enslaved and this was a derrogatory word.

As sticks pointed out, the word ****, was origionally used to describe an affeminate man,

And within recent times, '****' has been used as a homophobic derogatory term used in many homophobic attacks - so once again I ask, why does this make it a more "acceptable" word?

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by amzor
Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by amzor
That said, ,it doesnt really even compare to what Emily said.

Why? The reason Emily was thrown out was cos the word she used offended a social group.
Just like the word Laura used could offend a social group.
Personally, I think a warning should have sufficed but compared to Emily's punishment it's like BB are deeming homophobia a step below racism - why should this be the case?

hit the nail on the head again L :thumbs:

Yeah but i dont think the word is as severe as what Emily said.

And the N word is derived from when black people were enslaved and this was a derrogatory word.

As sticks pointed out, the word ****, was origionally used to describe an affeminate man,

But it still has derogotory history.

honestly in the terms of fairness,she should be treated as Emily.Its still deemed a homophobic slur

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Lauren and you are possible the most articulate members here (sorry there my tounge came close to you guys asses lol)

Why thank you ... I think. :laugh:

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Feral
Originally posted by Sticks
as mentioned here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,,1515015,00.html) :shocked:

What's that got to do with the weather?!!!

Sorry Sticks - link may be wrong.


Read the article more closely and you will see a parallel with my world, people with disabilities

[Lauren]

I understand your point, Sticks, but when has the word "brainstorm" been used in a derogatory manner against someone with a disability? My point is that "****" has been used in this exact manner.

[bananarama]

I wonder why it's ok to use offensive words like slapper. slag. slut. Bunny boiler. Often used on forums .It seems there is one rule for some and another rule for others..


The sad fact is we have become a word sensitive society.....As such we are in the realms of total maddness trying to please all people at all times. Trying to achiev the impossible The ultimate sign of insanity.....

Those that the gods wish to destroy he first driveth mad.......No i am not religious but if I was I would believe that Great Britain is on the verge of destruction....

[Psylocke]

Yes,**** has been used in the Playground to bully gay children,and been used in Gay bashings etc etc.Im sure you guys can see where the offense is.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Lauren
I understand your point, Sticks, but when has the word "brainstorm" been used in a derogatory manner against someone with a disability? My point is that "****" has been used in this exact manner.


People get paranoid about the words and never see the context in which they are used.

Remember what Humpty-Dumpty said?

[GiGi]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by amzor
Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by amzor
That said, ,it doesnt really even compare to what Emily said.

Why? The reason Emily was thrown out was cos the word she used offended a social group.
Just like the word Laura used could offend a social group.
Personally, I think a warning should have sufficed but compared to Emily's punishment it's like BB are deeming homophobia a step below racism - why should this be the case?

hit the nail on the head again L :thumbs:

Yeah but i dont think the word is as severe as what Emily said.

And the N word is derived from when black people were enslaved and this was a derrogatory word.

As sticks pointed out, the word ****, was origionally used to describe an affeminate man,

But it still has derogotory history.

honestly in the terms of fairness,she should be treated as Emily.Its still deemed a homophobic slur

Yes you are right actually , you two hold a valid point, its still a bad choice of words, and unacceptable.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Lauren
I understand your point, Sticks, but when has the word "brainstorm" been used in a derogatory manner against someone with a disability? My point is that "****" has been used in this exact manner.


People get paranoid about the words and never see the context in which they are used.

Remember what Humpty-Dumpty said?

The only thing I know about Humpty-Dumpty is that he had a big fall :laugh: Sorry, I don't get your reference.

People do get paranoid about words and not context, and so why was Emily ejected when saying a word in an apparently jovial manner?

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Lauren
I understand your point, Sticks, but when has the word "brainstorm" been used in a derogatory manner against someone with a disability? My point is that "****" has been used in this exact manner.


People get paranoid about the words and never see the context in which they are used.

Remember what Humpty-Dumpty said?

The only thing I know about Humpty-Dumpty is that he had a big fall :laugh: Sorry, I don't get your reference.

People do get paranoid about words and not context, and so why was Emily ejected when saying a word in an apparently jovial manner?

Yes excatly,Im not worried about the word so much,its the double standards thats annoying me.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Lauren

The only thing I know about Humpty-Dumpty is that he had a big fall :laugh: Sorry, I don't get your reference.

People do get paranoid about words and not context, and so why was Emily ejected when saying a word in an apparently jovial manner?


From Alice Through the looking Glass by Lewis Carole

Humpty Dumpty "Words mean what I choose them to mean"

[bovvered?]

So if someone in the house, referring to Laura, said... ' My God she's a porker'....

would that be fatist?

and would they face ejection?

Where do you stop????

[GhettoSuperstar]

Justice. :thumbs:
Get her the ****** outta that house.

[Lauren]

If Laura had a genetic disorder which rendered her fat, then yes... it would be fatist.

If she ate so much she galumphed into fatness - then no, that would not be fatist.

The problem with the "n" word and "****" is that they encapsulate a large social audience that are being characterised by factors out of their control.
Like Psylocke already said, many people don't find problems with the word, but with the double standards that are apparent within BB, deeming one word more acceptable than another - when both have the same effects.

[GiGi]

yeah, if Emily got rjected for saying the "N" word then Laura should get ejected for saying "****"

its almost like they are saying "well we will tolerate this language about gay people but not about black people" Its unacceptable language and she should meet the same fate as Emily did.

[Spike]

Laura said a word which offends people like Emily said something which offends people, Laura should be ejected like Emily. It seems Big Brother is giving out the message that being homophobic isnt as bad as being racist.

[GiGi]

Originally posted by Spike
Laura said a word which offends people like Emily said something which offends people, Laura should be ejected like Emily. It seems Big Brother is giving out the message that being homophobic isnt as bad as being racist.

yes, exactly. Id have her out, even though i did like her as a housemate, but what she said shouldnt be tolerated..

[bovvered?]

and calling Carole a silly old bat...?

ageist & offensive?

Thank God there are no gingas in the house!
(no offence to gingas of course) but what .....ist would that be?
gingerist?

[the_chosen_one]

I think channel 4 would prefer it if the public voted Laura out, rather than get into any more ejection cases. They went to great lengths to showcase Laura's telling off right in the middle of the "sin" party, where the theme is to dress up in leather and vamp the style of such parties frequented by Gerry on a monthly basis, scenes which apparently numbers of the homosexual audience would appreciate, with that way of life being "sinful" according to interpretations of the 7 deadly sins' biblical origin.

I would have thought the audience, sinful or not, would have been aware that Laura was indeed discriminating in the same way we saw Emily do earlier in the series (using a word that offends a minority group, but used in a playful context) and noone would have viewed it as particularly pleasant, but what I find quite annoying is that this word has been used several times before in the house, and nothing has been done about it before.

A quite obvious ploy to aid the series' golden girl, Chanelle, in her eviction battle with Laura.

[bovvered?]

How is calling an OBVIOUSLY very straight man a **** Homophobic?

Calling Gerry a **** IS.

[Lauren]

I'd be saying the exact same thing if someone had said "ginger minger" to a redhead in the house. Many people also argued that Carole was the victim of ageism.

The fact remains that ageism and "gingerism" isn't rife in violent attacks in the UK... homophobia and racism are. Why are they treated differently?

Edit: He is gay, yes. Just as Charley is black... why does this change things?

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Lauren
No, instead of directing it at one person she encapsulated a large social group - how could this possibly be better?

Like Emily, she didn't mean it in an offensive manner - yet Emily was ejected.

What kind of message is this passing on?

The etymology of the word may not have as many negative roots as the 'n' word - however, it's been used in homophobic attacks, and so is just as offensive.
Did she walk over to one of the cameras, and make a formal announcement?

Emily was addressing someone who was extremely likely to be offended by what she said. Laura was addressing a straight man, who had spent the day dressed as, from his own description, 'a gimp'. By definition, if you've a problem with Laura's comment then you should also have a problem with Channel 4, for promoting a negative (and therefore offensive) stereotype and with all of the other hm's who suggested Liam's costume would interest Gerry. And Channel 4 for using footage of Gerry when Liam walked into the bedroom, Dermot O'Dreary for making even more of an issue of that on BBLB, etc. And why was Piggy allowed to get away with referring to all of the girls as 'lesbians'? He, and all of the hm's involved in what we saw on tonight's highlights show should also be removed, and Dermot O'Dreary should be sacked. Getting silly now? Well hey, we may as well all get in on the act.

The message that Emily's apologists think they've found a loophole?

Emily used what's very probably the worst term imaginable in that context. What Laura said is nothing like as offensive as terms that begin with q, or f, etc. Sticks' point earlier in the thread is valid - it's only a homophobic insult when used maliciously. The word Emily used has no such variations.

[Wildcat!]

I changed the title, because people are talking about it too much. I dont think thats fair, vbecause she is up for eviction. Unless I find a bad thread for Chanelle...
hhmm...

[Lauren]

CharlotteSometimes, you assume I am a fan of Emily? I'm not.
Voids about 40% of your whole argument.

Why do you suggest that "****" has 'friendly' variations? I have a friend who was attacked for being gay, and the word used maliciously was "****". Furthermore, the 'n' word is used in rap songs with variations on maliciousness.

Also, why does looking like a 'gimp' equate to something homosexual?

Furthermore, explain to me how C4 promoted a negative stereotype?

[bovvered?]

Lauren you have never obviously been to a Gay 'leather' Bar....

seriously tho...

I call my dog a **** when he's had his haircut...

[Foebane100]

Not for what she said but some of the things she has done aren't very nice.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bovvered?
Lauren you have never obviously been to a Gay 'leather' Bar....

I don't plan too, either. I've already said the word "****" is accepted by many... the fact remains that BB have listed racism above homophobia.

[spudmacspud]

Originally posted by Arneldo
I wasn't offended, and i think that word is thrown around so much nowadays that it isn't the offensive word it was. The word '****' is now just another word for a gay man.

She shouldn't be thrown out, she didn't use it in an offensive way. People will be offended but i think the people who will be offended are shadowed people. It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said. I was happy with Laura just being told off.

there are SOOOOOO many things wrong with this post

1. You weren't offended (i presume your straight then?)
2. it isn't an offensive word (as a gay man may i assure you, yes it is)
3. just another word to a gay man (the same could be said for the "n" word used by emily)
4. She shouldn't be thrown out (That would be one rule for some and a different for the rest)
5. She didn't use it in an offensive way (that excuses nothing she still shouldn't have used it)
6. people who will be offended are shadowed people (don't even start me)
7.It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said (again let me assure you, yes it is)

If emily had said the exact same phrase to someone white would it have been less offensive, no it wouldn't so just because laura said it to someone straight doesn't mean it's not offensive.

"Laura meant it as a joke" well emilly didn't point at charley and say "You ******ing N***er" she said it in a very casual way quite similar to the casual way that laura said what she said.

Emily said what she said once and was removed almost instantly, laura has been showen in the highlights now on two occassions (includng tonight) and all she gets is a slapped wrist...... it is pathetic she should be removed immediately

[bovvered?]

The remark was not homophobic...

It would be the same as calling Charley fat.... IMHO!

[Lauren]

Spudmacspud, just because someone wasn't offended doesn't mean they're straight. I know many homosexuals who aren't offended at "****", on the flipside, I know many who are.

[spudmacspud]

Originally posted by Lauren
Spudmacspud, just because someone wasn't offended doesn't mean they're straight. I know many homosexuals who aren't offended at "****", on the flipside, I know many who are.

I know that but it's an easy presumption to make as a huge share of the people who claim to not be offended to these comments will generally be straight

as with emily's comments most of the people who weren't offended were white

[CassetteFinger]

it kind of shows why she picked on gerry that day about keeping her up all night like someone stays up on by them selfs all night.

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by spudmacspud
Originally posted by Arneldo
I wasn't offended, and i think that word is thrown around so much nowadays that it isn't the offensive word it was. The word '****' is now just another word for a gay man.

She shouldn't be thrown out, she didn't use it in an offensive way. People will be offended but i think the people who will be offended are shadowed people. It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said. I was happy with Laura just being told off.

there are SOOOOOO many things wrong with this post

1. You weren't offended (i presume your straight then?)
2. it isn't an offensive word (as a gay man may i assure you, yes it is)
3. just another word to a gay man (the same could be said for the "n" word used by emily)
4. She shouldn't be thrown out (That would be one rule for some and a different for the rest)
5. She didn't use it in an offensive way (that excuses nothing she still shouldn't have used it)
6. people who will be offended are shadowed people (don't even start me)
7.It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said (again let me assure you, yes it is)

If emily had said the exact same phrase to someone white would it have been less offensive, no it wouldn't so just because laura said it to someone straight doesn't mean it's not offensive.

"Laura meant it as a joke" well emilly didn't point at charley and say "You ******ing N***er" she said it in a very casual way quite similar to the casual way that laura said what she said.

Emily said what she said once and was removed almost instantly, laura has been showen in the highlights now on two occassions (includng tonight) and all she gets is a slapped wrist...... it is pathetic she should be removed immediately

1. I'm not straight.
2. It isn't as offensive nowadays. With some gay men using the word 'puff' to describe themselves. Jonathan Ross' house band 'For Puffs and a Piano' springs to mind.
3. The same could be said BUT the N word goes back hundreds of years and it means horrible nasty things.
4. it would be one rule for all but for something that could be classed as clearly offensive.
5. She didn't use it as to say being gay was a negative thing.
6. Go ahead, i will start you.
7. I personally, don't find it as offensive as what Emily said.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Lauren
CharlotteSometimes, you assume I am a fan of Emily? I'm not.
Voids about 40% of your whole argument.

Why do you suggest that "****" has 'friendly' variations? I have a friend who was attacked for being gay, and the word used maliciously was "****". Furthermore, the 'n' word is used in rap songs with variations on maliciousness.

Also, why does looking like a 'gimp' equate to something homosexual?

Furthermore, explain to me how C4 promoted a negative stereotype?
It voids nothing. There are many other posts in this thread, and comparisons with the Emily incident have been made several times over. I chose to quote your post simply because it was the one I disagreed with the most.

Please don't put words in my mouth. The word actually means 'effeminate', so to draw a homosexual comparison from it is actually homophobic in itself. When did this 'attack' take place, exactly? Circa 1955? And Emily is not a rapper.

Again, please don't misquote me. The parallel was clearly drawn on the highlights show. If you don't recognise the stereotype, then I'm sure Google can help you.

See above.

[spudmacspud]

7. I personally, don't find it as offensive as what Emily said.

thats your opinion but others do find it offensive thats why she needs to be punished

I'm sure not all black people were offended by emily as the word she used is frequently used within their communities as is the word **** and i'll use your example 4 ***** and a piano. If some people find it offensive i.e. me and most of my homosexual friends and i'm sure plenty more, she needs te exact same treatment


Please don't put words in my mouth. The word actually means 'effeminate', so to draw a homosexual comparison from it is actually homophobic in itself. When did this 'attack' take place, exactly? Circa 1955?


http://www.answers.com/****&r=67

i think you'll also find that it does refer to homosexual males

[Wiglet]

[Quote]The message that Emily's apologists think they've found a loophole?[Quote]

Charlotte_Sometimes don't ever insult me with an accusation of being an Emily apologist please. :mad:

I made a factual statement which I suspect is likely to happen unless the wording of the HMs contract is watertight. Laura was clearly told by BB that her word/s could be considered offensive and this was what Emily was told. There must be a very longwinded contract with teenyweeny smallprint which must go into minute detail as to which words are acceptable and which words are not? At least you would hope so wouldn't you?

My personal opinion on the words or the people has not been expressed in this at all and I do not like dragging Emilygate back up because the two are different. The thing is the producers have made them the same in the way they used their wording when speaking to both offending housemates.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Indeed, and don't make assumptions about my posts either, please. Did I say, at any point, that anyone who mentions Emily in this thread is therefore an apologist for her? The suggestion is there, hence the fact that I used a question mark, rather than a full stop. I made no specific reference to any member of this forum.

[Foebane100]

Anyway Laura can say it as she is Matt Lucas in a fairly poor disguise.

[Matt]

Homophobic slurs are just as bad as racial slurs in my book...

[Feral]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Feral
Originally posted by Sticks
as mentioned here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,,1515015,00.html) :shocked:

What's that got to do with the weather?!!!

Sorry Sticks - link may be wrong.

It's the right link... it has nothing to do with weather.


Duh!! Apologies to all!! Just a bit fick me!!!!

Saw the words Thunder Storms and Showers!!!!

I am now holding my head down in shame (was rather late!!!)

All point at the thickie!!!!!

:sad:


Anyway really good debate and I think it is a case of double standards.