Trainwreck - Woodstock 1999

[Niamh.]

Anyone watch this on Netflix? It's a three episode Documentary about Woodstock 1999 with the original 1969 promoter/organiser, trying to create a similar vibe as the original and failing miserably, it's crazy what went on there, can't believe I never even knew about all that went on there considering I was 21 back then and it had a lot of my favourite bands playing. Pre-Social media I guess :shrug:

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[Crimson Dynamo]

i heard about this on the radio this morning so will now watch

[Niamh.]

i heard about this on the radio this morning so will now watch

Let me know your thoughts :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

will give it a watch, seem to remember hearing about this at the time

[UserSince2005]

We left on day 2 because it was too hot.

[Niamh.]

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Is that a different one?

[MTVN]

Yeah that's a different doc ^

Seen the first ep and a bit of this and it is really interesting. In many ways seems like a predictable disaster with the choice of location and the flagrant profiteering which basically went against all the original values. Charging 4 dollars for a bottle of water is disgraceful and this is nearly 25 years ago. Other things were a bit out of the organisers control like stupidly hot weather and the actions of some of the festival goers which were pretty disgusting

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[MTVN]

I watched it all this evening, pretty fascinating and disturbing. What an absolute ****show it was. I wonder if it would have been worse or better in the social media era, whether all the real time footage would have reined people in or would it whip them into more of a frenzy

Makes me think what a good job Glastonbury has done at keeping its success going all these years whilst also still being sort of true to its roots

[Crimson Dynamo]

the Korn to Bush set

:worry:

[Zizu]

Bush are amazing !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

so many women were sexually assaulted

:umm2:

[Cherie]

the Korn to Bush set

:worry:

Wait for Limp Bizkit :worry:


Aside from the greed, it was insane to try recreate Woodstock 30 years on with a different generation, a new generation of drugs and to cap it all have in the main rock bands who just fired up the crowd, add in the heat to the mix and it was a receipe for disaster

Makes me giggle to think most of these people embarrassing themselves on tv are now middle aged :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wait for Limp Bizkit :worry:


Aside from the greed, it was insane to try recreate Woodstock 30 years on with a different generation, a new generation of drugs and to cap it all have in the main rock bands who just fired up the crowd, add in the heat to the mix and it was a receipe for disaster

Makes me giggle to think most of these people embarrassing themselves on tv are now middle aged :laugh:

blaming Fred from LB

i mean wtaf?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"it was insane to try recreate Woodstock "



recreate..<replace>....cash in on

[Cherie]

They treated the paying audience like **** so it’s not difficult to see why it turned nasty

[Crimson Dynamo]

i cant believe the organisers went on this?

[Cherie]

i cant believe the organisers went on this?

They don’t appear to think they did anything wrong ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

They don’t appear to think they did anything wrong ...

im astounded like..

wait


is there a Netflix docu exposing me??"

WHAT!!!


:umm2:

[Niamh.]

Fun fact: not really fun but I thought it was briefly hilarious. At the end sub titles came up saying Michael Lang died 3 months after filming the Documentary. I read it as 3 minutes which was really freaky

[MTVN]

They don’t appear to think they did anything wrong ...

That was pretty messed up when they were talking about the sexual assaults and he said Woodstock was the size of a small city and these things happen in cities :skull:

I might watch the HBO doc now too as the Netflix one seems to have left some things out like someone dying during the Metallica set and the Rage Against the Machine set getting people even more worked up

[Cherie]

Fun fact: not really fun but I thought it was briefly hilarious. At the end sub titles came up saying Michael Lang died 3 months after filming the Documentary. I read it as 3 minutes which was really freaky

I think he must had had cancer in had aged a lot in the intervening years

What were your thought Neem?

[Cherie]

That was pretty messed up when they were talking about the sexual assaults and he said Woodstock was the size of a small city and these things happen in cities :skull:

I might watch the HBO doc now too as the Netflix one seems to have left some things out like someone dying during the Metallica set and the Rage Against the Machine set getting people even more worked up

Oh same where can I watch that one please

[Niamh.]

I think he must had had cancer in had aged a lot in the intervening years

What were your thought Neem?

Like Matt I thought they should have shown Rage Against the Machine as well, apparently they burned the American Flag on stage at the end of their set so it sounds like they riled the crowd up as much as Limp Bizkit. But yeah it was absolutely shocking, that poor 15 year old who was raped in the back of that van they drove into the Rave hanger as well, poor kid. And I suppose no justice was ever gotten for those girls, not really much hope of finding those men again unless the victims knew them.

I did read an article and Tom Morello from RATM said this about it in 2000 -

“I think the sexual assaults that occurred were horrific and inexcusable,” he said. “But in general, I thought the media coverage was grossly unfair and youth-bashing and tried to vilify an entire generation because of a couple of idiots there.”

He seemed to have changed his mind a lot more recently -

“For me, Woodstock ’99 was the low point of nu metal. The rapes in the pit, the trashing of the sites. It just seemed like it distilled the worst elements of metal — the misogynist jock buggery — and the message wasn’t announced as ‘this is a horrible thing.’ It was more like, ‘this is our new Woodstock generation — a bunch of idiots.’”


But in general I don't actually blame the bands at all, they were doing what those bands do. The organisers treated the crowd like animals and they ended up acting accordingly

[Cherie]

Like Matt I thought they should have shown Rage Against the Machine as well, apparently they burned the American Flag on stage at the end of their set so it sounds like they riled the crowd up as much as Limp Bizkit. But yeah it was absolutely shocking, that poor 15 year old who was raped in the back of that van they drove into the Rave hanger as well, poor kid. And I suppose no justice was ever gotten for those girls, not really much hope of finding those men again unless the victims knew them.

I did read an article and Tom Morello from RATM said this about it in 2000 -

“I think the sexual assaults that occurred were horrific and inexcusable,” he said. “But in general, I thought the media coverage was grossly unfair and youth-bashing and tried to vilify an entire generation because of a couple of idiots there.”

He seemed to have changed his mind a lot more recently -

“For me, Woodstock ’99 was the low point of nu metal. The rapes in the pit, the trashing of the sites. It just seemed like it distilled the worst elements of metal — the misogynist jock buggery — and the message wasn’t announced as ‘this is a horrible thing.’ It was more like, ‘this is our new Woodstock generation — a bunch of idiots.’”


But in general I don't actually blame the bands at all, they were doing what those bands do. The organisers treated the crowd like animals and they ended up acting accordingly

Yeah the paradox as to how the bands were treated compared to the audience was quite stark

They basically just want to fleece them as for the drinking water...omg they were lucky more didn’t die or have serious illness

[Niamh.]

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Yeah the paradox as to how the bands were treated compared to the audience was quite stark

They basically just want to fleece them as for the drinking water...omg they were lucky more didn’t die or have serious illness

And charging $4 (and up to $12 by the end once supplies started running out) for bottled water was so irresponsible in that heat.

[Cherie]

And charging $4 (and up to $12 by the end once supplies started running out) for bottled water was so irresponsible in that heat.

and when the fires were set, the only worry was getting the cash from the vendor tent not the threat to life

[MTVN]

Yeah I'm amazed more didn't suffer seriously from dehydration with all the booze and drugs they'd be taking as well

[Swan]

I just got done watching the Netflix doc, it was pretty good, unlike the HBO film which is mainly about race.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rangers fans could not buy bottled water or get any in the bogs in Seville at the Europa final in 2022

game kicked off it was 35C

:skull:

[Cherie]

Rangers fans could not buy bottled water or get any in the bogs in Seville at the Europa final in 2022

game kicked off it was 35C

:skull:

Well deserved :hehe:

[Niamh.]

I just got done watching the Netflix doc, it was pretty good, unlike the HBO film which is mainly about race.Race?

[Swan]

Race?

Well i dunno, i only watched about 40 mins of the HBO one, but "white" is overused imo. Also, they talk about DMX (which isn't even mentioned in the Netflix doc) where he instructs the crowd to sing with him, basically -

DMX - sings a verse, then holds up mic to the crowd
Crowd - "my n-word"
DMX - (as above)
Crowd - (as above)
And so on....

Of course, there's a bit on how it's racist, when it isn't at all and the US media going along with their every white person is racist narrative.