Teacher who refused to use student's gender-neutral pronouns JAILED Ireland

[Crimson Dynamo]

'I love my school but I am here today because I would not call a boy a girl':
Teacher who refused to use student's gender-neutral pronouns condemns
'insanity' as he is JAILED in Ireland



Enoch Burke was arrested yesterday morning for breaching a court order
The order barred him from teaching or being present at his Westmeath school
The dispute began over his refusal to address a transitioning student as 'they' rather than 'he', as requested by the student and their parents in May
He was later suspended, and refused to stay away from the school
After the ruling, Mr Burke said: 'I love my school, with its motto Res Non Verba, actions not words, but I am here today because I said I would not call a boy a girl'


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/06/09/62099949-11184043-Teacher_Enoch_Burke_pictured_was_arrested_yesterda y_morning_for_-a-1_1662453698546.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/06/11/62107431-11184043-Enoch_Burke-m-17_1662459440139.jpg

Enoch Burke (pictured) refused to address a transitioning student as 'they'
rather than 'he', as requested by the student and their parents in May, and
agreed to by the Church of Ireland school. This escalated to his suspension
on the day before the start of the autumn term, pending the outcome of a
disciplinary process

(wonder what the local plod's burglary success rate is?)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11184043/Teacher-refused-use-students-gender-neutral-pronouns-JAILED-Ireland.html

[UserSince2005]

throw away the key. EXECUTE her!

[arista]

That's wrong


He is a Good Teacher.

[The Slim Reaper]

Misleading title, but OK. Any of us that kept turning up to a school after we were legally informed we shouldn't, would receive exactly the same punishment.

[Liam-]

Pretty sure he was the one that got a court order to stay away from the school he taught at because he was aggressive and refused to stop coming back to the school even after he was told not to come back.

So not jailed for not using specific pronouns at all, jailed for breaching conditions of an injunction against him for violence and harassment, pretty simple really, but anything for the daily heil to push a certain narrative

[Liam-]

‘Aggressive weirdo jailed for repeatedly trespassing on school grounds’ is a much more appropriate headline for what this is about

[Niamh.]

Pretty sure he was the one that got a court order to stay away from the school he taught at because he was aggressive and refused to stop coming back to the school even after he was told not to come back.

So not jailed for not using specific pronouns at all, jailed for breaching conditions of an injunction against him for violence and harassment, pretty simple really, but anything for the daily heil to push a certain narrative

I don't see where it says he was violent in that article?

But yes I agree he was arrested for breaching a court order not for the use of the male pronoun. It's not up to the Gardaí to decide which court orders should be upheld and which shouldn't

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't see where it says he was violent in that article?

But yes I agree he was arrested for breaching a court order not for the use of the male pronoun. It's not up to the Gardaí to decide which court orders should be upheld and which shouldn't
Here is the Irish Mirror article and of course nothing about being violent

perhaps Liam can provide some evidence for his lavish claims?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/teacher-jailed-over-refusal-comply-27915032

[Niamh.]

Here is the Irish Mirror article and of course nothing about being violent

perhaps Liam can provide some evidence for his lavish claims?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/teacher-jailed-over-refusal-comply-27915032

That headline seems more accurate too

[Crimson Dynamo]

That headline seems more accurate too

yes and tells us all we need to know about the parents of this poor child...

[The Slim Reaper]

Meanwhile, reality...

Teacher jailed over refusal to comply with temporary injunction

[The Slim Reaper]

Radical Christian terrorist

'It is insanity that I will be led from this courtroom to a place of incarceration, but I will not give up my Christian beliefs.'

[bots]

the guy seems like he is a bit of a fool

[swine]

Radical Christian terrorist

Oh enough hyperbole. Being a regular Christian holding regular Christian beliefs is not a terrorist. Did he blow the student up or something?

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh enough hyperbole. Being a regular Christian holding regular Christian beliefs is not a terrorist. Did he blow the student up or something?

What did Jesus have to say about trans people?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What did Jesus have to say about trans people?

Genesis 1:26-28

[The Slim Reaper]

Genesis 1:26-28

Jesus said "genesis 1:26-28" about trans people? Bit of a random thing to say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus said "genesis 1:26-28" about trans p[people? Bit of a random thing to say.

It was an Ecumenical matter

[Niamh.]

https://c.tenor.com/SDAidr94NZMAAAAd/that-would-be-an-ecumenical-matter-ecumenical.gif

[Swan]

Ironically, didn't Graham Linehan get into hot water over his Trans Kids views?

[The Slim Reaper]

Ironically, didn't Graham Linehan get into hot water over his Trans Kids views?

He screwed his life up. His wife left him for being an obsessed weirdo :laugh:

[Swan]

He screwed his life up. His wife left him for being an obsessed weirdo :laugh:

I honestly don't know enough about what he said, or what happened tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ironically, didn't Graham Linehan get into hot water over his Trans Kids views?

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[Niamh.]

Ironically, didn't Graham Linehan get into hot water over his Trans Kids views?

Graham Linehan speaks about the trans issue a lot yes. Did he get into hot water? Yes, He was mocked in a BBC interview in 2020 for his views on the Tavistock and then low and behold a couple of years later the Tavistock is being closed down for unsafe practices towards "trans kids" ........no apology to him as yet though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He exposed that vile Tavistock place 2 years ago and was mocked by the hard leftist BBC

[Swan]

9IhgIXf2_WE

Graham Linehan speaks about the trans issue a lot yes. Did he get into hot water? Yes, He was mocked in a BBC interview in 2020 for his views on the Tavistock and then low and behold a couple of years later the Tavistock is being closed down for unsafe practices towards "trans kids" ........no apology to him as yet though.

I'll have a look at that, ta.

[Niamh.]

He screwed his life up. His wife left him for being an obsessed weirdo :laugh:

Standing up for women and children. Time has already started to prove which "side of history" he's on. As a woman, I'm grateful to him for putting everything on the line to speak up for us.

[The Slim Reaper]

Standing up for women and children. Time has already started to prove which "side of history" he's on. As a woman, I'm grateful to him for putting everything on the line to speak up for us.

What?

The services offered by Tavistock haven't been shut down, just moved to regional hubs because it wasn't fir for purpose any longer due to increased demand.

Trans people have literally nothing to do with your life as a woman. You've been hoodwinked into believing bigotry is valiant.

Serious question, how would you react if this became a family matter with one of your children coming out as trans?

[Niamh.]

What?

The services offered by Tavistock haven't been shut down, just moved to regional hubs because it wasn't fir for purpose any longer due to increased demand.

That's absolutely not true. They're expecting over 1000 lawsuits after this report was released

https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2022/august/firm-plans-group-action-against-tavistock

Trans people have literally nothing to do with your life as a woman. You've been hoodwinked into believing bigotry is valiant.

Please don't patronise me Slim, I haven't been hoodwinked into anything, maybe it's harder for you to understand the implications for women as a man?


Serious question, how would you react if this became a family matter with one of your children coming out as trans?

I would make sure I protected them as much as possible, get them in to see a therapist who would work through whatever issues they were having. Keep them a way from medicalisation for as long as possible until they really understood the implications of that, if as adults they still wanted to go down that path of course I'd support them and love them, are you suggesting I'd stop loving my own children? I hope not.

[The Slim Reaper]

That's absolutely not true. They're expecting over 1000 lawsuits after this report was released

https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2022/august/firm-plans-group-action-against-tavistock



Please don't patronise me Slim, I haven't been hoodwinked into anything, maybe it's harder for you to understand the implications for women as a man?



I would make sure I protected them as much as possible, get them in to see a therapist who would work through whatever issues they were having. Keep them a way from medicalisation for as long as possible until they really understood the implications of that, if as adults they still wanted to go down that path of course I'd support them and love them, are you suggesting I'd stop loving my own children? I hope not.



I don't even want this discussion, I just post my posts, but you keep it going for some reason. I've told you loads of times I don't want it for this exact reason. It never goes well for irreconcilable reasons. People on my side believe all groups people should be treated with respect, and people on your side view things differently. When positions are that diametrically opposed, there is no way around it, which is why I don't bother.


We know each other, Niamh, and have been through sh1t on here. That question was asked specifically because I knew you wouldn't stop loving your children. The fact you turned it around to accusing me of that shows that I was wrong - you don't know me at all.

[swine]

What?

The services offered by Tavistock haven't been shut down, just moved to regional hubs because it wasn't fir for purpose any longer due to increased demand.

Trans people have literally nothing to do with your life as a woman. You've been hoodwinked into believing bigotry is valiant.

Serious question, how would you react if this became a family matter with one of your children coming out as trans?

Trans people have nothing to do with women? The entire ideology is to redefine the concept of woman, of all genders. You're gaslighting by ignoring that obvious and essential point. Personally if I had a child who thought they were the opposite gender, I would help them come to terms with the reality of being their actual genetic gender, just as I would help with any mental health problem. If someone is suffering from delusional thinking, the absolute worst thing to do is to go along pretending their delusions are real, especially with children. It isn't bigotry just because I don't agree with the religion of wokeism - I practice tolerance. I respect and am kind to all sorts of people who think polar opposite to me. The woke movement should remember what tolerance is rather than accusing anyone who disagrees with their personal beliefs of being a bigot.

[Niamh.]

I don't even want this discussion, I just post my posts, but you keep it going for some reason. I've told you loads of times I don't want it for this exact reason. It never goes well for irreconcilable reasons.

I would rather not discuss it with you either but if you post something like that about Graham Linehan which I believe so strongly to be wrong, how can I not say something about it?!

People on my side believe all groups people should be treated with respect, and people on your side view things differently. When positions are that diametrically opposed, there is no way around it, which is why I don't bother.

You're saying I don't want people to be treated with respect? Why? I mean I could say I, as a woman feel disrespected when language around women is changed, when I'm referred to as a bodily function or body part (in ways that men strangely are not)but that position isn't valid on "your side" why does it only work one way?


We know each other, Niamh, and have been through sh1t on here. That question was asked specifically because I knew you wouldn't stop loving your children. The fact you turned it around to accusing me of that shows that I was wrong - you don't know me at all.

I don't want to fall out with you at all, you're one of my favorite people on here. I was taken a bit aback when you brought my children in to it, hence the defensiveness when answering that question.

[The Slim Reaper]

Trans people have nothing to do with women? The entire ideology is to redefine the concept of woman, of all genders. You're gaslighting by ignoring that obvious and essential point. Personally if I had a child who thought they were the opposite gender, I would help them come to terms with the reality of being their actual genetic gender, just as I would help with any mental health problem. If someone is suffering from delusional thinking, the absolute worst thing to do is to go along pretending their delusions are real, especially with children. It isn't bigotry just because I don't agree with the religion of wokeism - I practice tolerance. I respect and am kind to all sorts of people who think polar opposite to me. The woke movement should remember what tolerance is rather than accusing anyone who disagrees with their personal beliefs of being a bigot.

Again, I'm not getting into it, but bigotry is about prejudice against an individual or group, not a disagreement, so please don't make sh1t up.

[Mystic Mock]

We talk about a lack of Prison space a lot in the British Isles, hence why we release murderers and Paedophiles early apparently.

And yet this guy and Boris Becker are two people that are taking their spot in Prison, that really is a 2022 moment.

[UserSince2005]

maybe the twist of this is that the prison gay bum sex will make him realise hes a girl?

[Redway]

Because that was really the full story wasn’t it.

[swine]

Again, I'm not getting into it, but bigotry is about prejudice against an individual or group, not a disagreement, so please don't make sh1t up.

Not getting into it because your side is absolute unscientific opinion that you cannot logically defend, so it makes you hostile and rude. You might want to open your closed mind and realize you are the prejudiced one with no tolerance for different opinions. We could agree to disagree on our opinions, because yes, this is a disagreement, but you choose to vilify me and insist upon my acquiescence to your personal belief system. Intolerance like that is what will tear society apart because you are not morally superior to me.

[Mystic Mock]

Pretty sure he was the one that got a court order to stay away from the school he taught at because he was aggressive and refused to stop coming back to the school even after he was told not to come back.

So not jailed for not using specific pronouns at all, jailed for breaching conditions of an injunction against him for violence and harassment, pretty simple really, but anything for the daily heil to push a certain narrative

This makes more sense.

[Mystic Mock]

Because that was really the full story wasn’t it.

Oh I think it's easy to tell that the story is being twisted to suit a certain agenda.:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

I would rather not discuss it with you either but if you post something like that about Graham Linehan which I believe so strongly to be wrong, how can I not say something about it?!

Whether you think I'm right or wrong, or Graham was right or wrong (on this issue generally), his obsession did cost him his marriage, which is the post you replied to. That was a factual and non-controversial statement.

You're saying I don't want people to be treated with respect? Why? I mean I could say I, as a woman feel disrespected when language around women is changed, when I'm referred to as a bodily function or body part (in ways that men strangely are not)but that position isn't valid on "your side" why does it only work one way?

I'm not interested in repeating this over and over again. Women have always been 2nd class citizens, and you've been kept that way primarily because of one prevailing ideology in the world, and that has never come from people who think like I do. I think that's a non-controversial statement that you would probably agree with.

However, the same ideology that has carefully managed women's suffrage, in the same way that they've managed conditions for other minorities, is now suddenly propping women up to tell them that this other group is attacking them.

The same kind of person, incidentally, that has just stripped reproductive rights away in the US, or that will be the first to write "her skirt was too short" every single time a woman is attacked. These are the people you think are standing up for you, rather than using you to pit against another group. The struggles for women are real and depressing, but not because there is a single trans person on this planet.

I don't want to fall out with you at all, you're one of my favorite people on here. I was taken a bit aback when you brought my children in to it, hence the defensiveness when answering that question.

There is no logic in the anti-trans movement (apart from sports, as I see it), and not a single thing I say could change your mind, so I did actually want you to feel that whiplash, because I know you're a loving ma who would stand alone against the 7 billion people on the planet when it came to protecting your kids (I just didn't expect you to make that insinuation).

People write all kinds of weird and strange stuff about trans people on here that I ignore, because I don't really give a sh1t, but it pains me when people I like, and that would never dream of attacking any other minority group, feels as though this is ok. The fight is for equality for everyone; we already have a tiered system.

Time is going to tell what happens. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe scientists will identify a chemical imbalance in 5 hours time, than can be cured with a sherbet lemon, and I'll happily hold my hands up, but what these people are going through is real, and I'd still rather be the person that is willing to offer support rather than piling on.

Anyway, I didn't want to leave it where it was for obvious reasons, so I've replied here, but I probably won't reply on the topic again. I'll just post my posts, and let everyone else post theirs.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not getting into it because your side is absolute unscientific opinion that you cannot logically defend, so it makes you hostile and rude. You might want to open your closed mind and realize you are the prejudiced one with no tolerance for different opinions. We could agree to disagree on our opinions, because yes, this is a disagreement, but you choose to vilify me and insist upon my acquiescence to your personal belief system. Intolerance like that is what will tear society apart because you are not morally superior to me.

Dude, I could not care less about you. I don't know you, don't want to know you and the only person that has vilified the other, is this load of self important, projected drivel.

[Oliver_W]

This makes more sense.

No it doesn't, as there's no evidence of harrassment or violence.

[GoldHeart]

No it doesn't, as there's no evidence of harrassment or violence.

Then why did it escalate to the police? .

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it doesn't, as there's no evidence of harrassment or violence.

its standard tactic

try and shoehorn in the word violence to hide behind


notice when they did

they also ran away

[Mystic Mock]

No it doesn't, as there's no evidence of harrassment or violence.

So you think that he got jailed for misgendering a child? Because that move I've heard isn't happening until 2031

[Zizu]

Pretty sure he was the one that got a court order to stay away from the school he taught at because he was aggressive and refused to stop coming back to the school even after he was told not to come back.

So not jailed for not using specific pronouns at all, jailed for breaching conditions of an injunction against him for violence and harassment, pretty simple really, but anything for the daily heil to push a certain narrative


Yes contempt of court .


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[Niamh.]

So you think that he got jailed for misgendering a child? Because that move I've heard isn't happening until 2031

Ireland is a different country to Britain Mock, we have Self ID over here. But yes he was jailed for breaking the court order that said he was to stay out of the school, seems like he refused to leave. It doesn't say he became violent anywhere in the article though as one poster suggested

[Oliver_W]

So you think that he got jailed for misgendering a child? Because that move I've heard isn't happening until 2031

Contempt of court, and violating an order not to go to the school.

[Mystic Mock]

Ireland is a different country to Britain Mock, we have Self ID over here. But yes he was jailed for breaking the court order that said he was to stay out of the school, seems like he refused to leave. It doesn't say he became violent anywhere in the article though as one poster suggested

Fair enough on the self ID stuff, but people seriously can face jailtime for being a dick?

In his case though I don't get why he is going near the School if there is a court order against him doing that, whether he was violent or not it's not gonna do him any favours with the law.

[Mystic Mock]

Contempt of court, and violating an order not to go to the school.

Fair enough.

[bots]

its pretty obvious what is going on. He had a court order banning him from attending the school. He told the judge that he was going to ignore it and continue to teach kids so he was jailed. He was jailed for ignoring a court order. All the rest is agenda driven press reporting coming from bias

[Niamh.]

Fair enough on the self ID stuff, but people seriously can face jailtime for being a dick?



In his case though I don't get why he is going near the School if there is a court order against him doing that, whether he was violent or not it's not gonna do him any favours with the law.Of course it isn't, it doesn't matter what the court order was for, he was going to get arrested for breaking it no matter what

[Crimson Dynamo]

low hanging fruit

[Oliver_W]

its pretty obvious what is going on. He had a court order banning him from attending the school. He told the judge that he was going to ignore it and continue to teach kids so he was jailed. He was jailed for ignoring a court order. All the rest is agenda driven press reporting coming from bias

To be fair the court order shouldn't have been in place anyway. All he did was use factually correct pronouns :shrug:

[bots]

To be fair the court order shouldn't have been in place anyway. All he did was use factually correct pronouns :shrug:

its the law in Ireland

[Oliver_W]

its the law in Ireland

The law is an ass.

[bots]

The law is an ass.

i dont deny that. A good mate of mine got cancelled on twitter a couple of days ago for voicing his opinion on transgender stuff. The army of warriors went for him instantly

[Liam-]

I’ve read about this bloke and this situation previously, I don’t keep bookmarks of articles in case some questions me though because frankly, I don’t care enough.

In one of the things I read it stated that he was suspended for standing up in a full assembly, in front of students and faculty and voiced his displeasure at being asked to use this students preferred pronoun, essentially targeting and ridiculing the student publicly, he was then given the court order to not be on the school premises because he kept showing up and harassing the head and teachers, ‘violent’ was probably the wrong word to use, but it definitely mentioned that he got aggressive once he was suspended.

It’s about time right wingers started being held accountable for their own actions and stop trying to deflect things, he wasn’t suspended or arrested for his beliefs, he was suspended and arrested because he acted like a dick and broke the law

[Oliver_W]

It’s about time right wingers started being held accountable for their own actions and stop trying to deflect things, he wasn’t suspended or arrested for his beliefs, he was suspended and arrested because he acted like a dick and broke the law

How do you know he's right wing? Transgenderism isn't political.

[Niamh.]

I’ve read about this bloke and this situation previously, I don’t keep bookmarks of articles in case some questions me though because frankly, I don’t care enough.

In one of the things I read it stated that he was suspended for standing up in a full assembly, in front of students and faculty and voiced his displeasure at being asked to use this students preferred pronoun, essentially targeting and ridiculing the student publicly, he was then given the court order to not be on the school premises because he kept showing up and harassing the head and teachers, ‘violent’ was probably the wrong word to use, but it definitely mentioned that he got aggressive once he was suspended.

It’s about time right wingers started being held accountable for their own actions and stop trying to deflect things, he wasn’t suspended or arrested for his beliefs, he was suspended and arrested because he acted like a dick and broke the law

I agree publicly targeting the child like that was out of order

How do you know he's right wing? Transgenderism isn't political.

Yes I don't like the whole idea of if you don't agree with with every aspect of these Identity Politics, you're far right all of a sudden, I'm left leaning, as is JK Rowling as is Graham Linehan and many others. It's a good way to try and silence those on the left who have questions about this though, for sure.

**I think this guy probably is on the right though tbf, seems like a very conservative religious guy

[Oliver_W]

I do agree that ridiculing a disturbed boy in front of the whole school is very unbecoming of a teacher.

[GoldHeart]

I’ve read about this bloke and this situation previously, I don’t keep bookmarks of articles in case some questions me though because frankly, I don’t care enough.

In one of the things I read it stated that he was suspended for standing up in a full assembly, in front of students and faculty and voiced his displeasure at being asked to use this students preferred pronoun, essentially targeting and ridiculing the student publicly, he was then given the court order to not be on the school premises because he kept showing up and harassing the head and teachers, ‘violent’ was probably the wrong word to use, but it definitely mentioned that he got aggressive once he was suspended.

It’s about time right wingers started being held accountable for their own actions and stop trying to deflect things, he wasn’t suspended or arrested for his beliefs, he was suspended and arrested because he acted like a dick and broke the law


I figured it was something like this. As I can't see police being involved over just a disagreement.

[Oliver_W]

Yes I don't like the whole idea of if you don't agree with with every aspect of these Identity Politics, you're far right all of a sudden, I'm left leaning, as is JK Rowling as is Graham Linehan and many others. It's a good way to try and silence those on the left who have questions about this though, for sure.


Actually, I can't think of any vocally "gender critical" person who is right wing. It almost always comes from a place of prioritising women's rights rather than being anti-trans.

*I'm discounting the Alex Jones Tier loonies here...