‘People of-colour have a right to feel a certain way about the queen’s passing’

[Redway]

I know The Slim Reaper’s on the low-key look-out for a Mother-Theresa/M.T.-special thread from my ends (d.w., it’s coming) but in the meantime I thought it would be a good idea to see what people on here think about the idea expressed in the title (i.e., the queen’s apparent hand in colonialism being a good reason for black people, etc., to not want-to actually mourn her death or generally feel particularly-upset about it). Normally I’d say that in-depth discussions about race-specific topics are best-reserved for the respective individual communities who are actually directly-affected by whatever the racial-issue is but when a worldwide figure’s being labelled a covert-racist/corresponding-enabler across social-media (not even just-Twitter) discussion of that notion does need-to be entertained by everyone who has an active opinion on the Queen/monarchical totality, IMO.

[rusticgal]

People of any colour or nationality have a right to deal with the Queens passing in a certain way…:shrug:

[Redway]

Personally I understand both perspectives (and at the end-of-the-day there are people more-opposed to official respect for the queen’s passing just-because weekend-footie’s been cancelled) but I just feel like she was too-much of a formidable and loyal character overall for her memory to be post-humously tainted by the fact that the monarchy she was under was (directly or indirectly) responsible for certain colonial mishaps. Plus there are some people out there who’ll say anything on social-media for clout/a reaction under the projected guise of sentimental morality so it’s just one of those things. One-way-or-the-other, people of any race who think her death is something to actively-celebrate are disgusting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My pride in representing Her Majesty is immense. A boy from Willesden putting on that shirt &amp; becoming the first black man to score for Queen and Country. To then be appointed a DL of Hertfordshire &amp; then recognised in her Jubilee Birthday Honours List is beyond that boy's dreams <a href="https://t.co/gGMm4wVe8n">pic.twitter.com/gGMm4wVe8n</a></p>&mdash; Luther Blissett OBE DL (@LBliss8) <a href="https://twitter.com/LBliss8/status/1568204577220055041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
and then compare to the race-baiting spineless Trevor Sinclair tweet he had to
grovelingly apologise for when he shat himself that he would get sacked from
TS

[Oliver_W]

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel about everything :shrug:

But there's feeling a certain way, and then there's being vile - an American "professor" got dragged on twitter for wishing an excruciating death on the Queen (before the announcement)

However much blame you throw at her for historic wrongs she had nothing to do with, that's disgusting behaviour.

[Redway]

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel about everything :shrug:

But there's feeling a certain way, and then there's being vile - an American "professor" got dragged on twitter for wishing an excruciating death on the Queen (before the announcement)

However much blame you throw at her for historic wrongs she had nothing to do with, that's disgusting behaviour.

For once I 100%-agree with you. I’ve seen people on Insta. posting non-stop venom about the Queen and that’s just beyond the bounds of acceptability/propriety. Why wait until the queen dies to paint her out like Adolf-Hitler if you’ve always seen her as an evil colonial enabler?

[The Slim Reaper]

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

[Redway]

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel about everything :shrug:

But there's feeling a certain way, and then there's being vile - an American "professor" got dragged on twitter for wishing an excruciating death on the Queen (before the announcement)

However much blame you throw at her for historic wrongs she had nothing to do with, that's disgusting behaviour.

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

I hear that but this is re. the queen per-se, not England/Britain per-se. A lot of the vitriol kicking-off right now is pretty personal.

[Mystic Mock]

Imo Elizabeth can't be blamed for stuff that Politicians did.

Even I've got to say that's incredibly harsh on anyone that puts that on her.

[Redway]

@ The Slim Reaper. I don’t know why Oliver’s post was included in that quote.

[Mystic Mock]

Personally I understand both perspectives (and at the end-of-the-day there are people more-opposed to official respect for the queen’s passing just-because weekend-footie’s been cancelled) but I just feel like she was too-much of a formidable and loyal character overall for her memory to be post-humously tainted by the fact that the monarchy she was under was (directly or indirectly) responsible for certain colonial mishaps. Plus there are some people out there who’ll say anything on social-media for clout/a reaction under the projected guise of sentimental morality so it’s just one of those things. One-way-or-the-other, people of any race who think her death is something to actively-celebrate are disgusting.

Tbf it's not just the Football that's been cancelled.:joker:

I agree with your post in particular near the end.

[The Slim Reaper]

I hear that but this is re. the queen per-se, not England/Britain per-se. A lot of the vitriol kicking-off right now is pretty personal.

It's impossible to separate the Queen from the country. Have you got some examples of the vitriol aimed at her?

[GoldHeart]

Imo Elizabeth can't be blamed for stuff that Politicians did.

Even I've got to say that's incredibly harsh on anyone that puts that on her.

Plus as I've already said ..if she started refusing point blank on political decisions, then it would lead to her abdicating & Constitutional crisis.

She had to remain impartial, she probably gave advice ,and she would have disagreed on stuff . But there's no way she could have been allowed to be too opinionated.

[Oliver_W]

It's impossible to separate the Queen from the country. Have you got some examples of the vitriol aimed at her?

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2112825/uju-anya.webp?w=600&q=75&f=18da97f494ce10e6abc8371644daaf3d

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

[Crimson Dynamo]

ooft

[Redway]

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2112825/uju-anya.webp?w=600&q=75&f=18da97f494ce10e6abc8371644daaf3d

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

Oh, Obianuju.

Yeah, that’s absolutely-vile.

[Mystic Mock]

Plus as I've already said ..if she started refusing point blank on political decisions, then it would lead to her abdicating & Constitutional crisis.

She had to remain impartial, she probably gave advice ,and she would have disagreed on stuff . But there's no way she could have been allowed to be too opinionated.

Exactly.

[Mystic Mock]

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2112825/uju-anya.webp?w=600&q=75&f=18da97f494ce10e6abc8371644daaf3d

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

Oh I agree that she is entitled to be a prick.

[GoldHeart]

The Queen's Christmas Speech 2004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkTJUZkpBnY&ab_channel=ImanuelChrissandi

[Redway]

“May her pain be excruciating.”

I agree that she shouldn’t lose her job (I like her stuff overall) but that comment was absolutely-disgusting. I don’t want to say that black people can be their-own worst-enemies because that would just be disproportionately-hypocritical (and on the contrary there’s no shortage of white males who fulfil that quota, probably more-than anyone else on-the-whole) but there’s having an opinion about the monarchy and how colonialism had adverse effects on the actualisation of Biafra and whatnot (you’ll have to study the history of Igbo people if Biafra comes-across as a totally-foreign word to you) and there’s just being vile and overly-personal. I’m disgusted in Uju, tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

“May her pain be excruciating.”

I agree that she shouldn’t lose her job (I like her stuff overall) but that comment was absolutely-disgusting. I don’t want to say that black people can be their-own worst-enemies because that would just be disproportionately-hypocritical (and on the contrary there’s no shortage of white males who fulfil that quota, probably more-than anyone else on-the-whole) but there’s having an opinion about the monarchy and how colonialism had adverse effects on the actualisation of Biafra and whatnot (you’ll have to study the history of Igbo people if Biafra comes-across as a totally-foreign word to you) and there’s just being vile and overly-personal. I’m disgusted in Uju, tbh.

Personally I just see it that she brought shame onto herself rather than onto the black community.

I hope that most people on here will agree with me on that at least.

[Redway]

It also has to be said that being forced to be a passive enabler of the toxic pieties of the time (and 1967 was a very-different time indeed) does not maketh a bad person. One colonial after-effect that Nigerians overall learnt (it has-to be said) was wife-beating. I don’t think between Igbo, Edo, Yoruba, Fulani (for all-their sins), Ibibios and Igalas (etc.) that was ever-done in the ancestral/pre.-colonial realm but with some of Uju’s male relatives it most-likely would’ve occurred and that’s active hostility, of the type that the queen certainly-didn’t actively distil in anyone’s cultural practices. It probably doesn’t stop Uju looking-up to many-of her male relatives/grandfathers. Yoruba people betrayed Igbos in the most cowardly way in the late ’60s (the Brit’s weren’t the only-ones who played-dirty during the time of the civil war). It most-likely doesn’t stop Uju from having Yoruba friends, nor-should it (it’s history and no one person in this generation was solely-responsible for Yoruba treacherousness). Why so-much hostility to a coincidentally-monarchical figure who didn’t actively set-out to destroy any nation?

[bots]

What that woman said could be considered hate speech, so she may be in a bit of bother

[Kazanne]

It's disgusting,to wish that on a lady who has served her country,so tirelessly, says more about her than the Queen.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2112825/uju-anya.webp?w=600&q=75&f=18da97f494ce10e6abc8371644daaf3d

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

I'm not defending it because the last line is not something to make public if that's what she feels. She is, however, clearly talking about the institution, which is valid. We're not really taught the true history of this country and it's empire. What we did to India and Africa in particular will never be fully understood by most; even though most think they do understand it. To this day, everyone still makes jokes about the Irish and potatoes (not calling anyone out, I do it myself), which shows how cleansed and unserious our history has become. We lost around 1-1.3 million troops in both world wars, but killed over a million Irish people in 6 years because why not?

That doesn't mean that we should all be saying hail Marys every night for our sins to be forgiven; because they were the sins of our fathers, not us, but what happened then was barbarism and cruelty, and the crown still represents that in many parts of the world. As a nation, we still hold a grudge against Germany, and now imagine what they did in Europe for 5-10 years they did to only us, and not for a decade, but for a couple of hundred years. Imagine the resentment and anger that would exist within our national psyche. That's how people have a right to feel about us.

[Redway]

I'm not defending it because the last line is not something to make public if that's what she feels. She is, however, clearly talking about the institution, which is valid. We're not really taught the true history of this country and it's empire. What we did to India and Africa in particular will never be fully understood by most; even though most think they do understand it. To this day, everyone still makes jokes about the Irish and potatoes (not calling anyone out, I do it myself), which shows how cleansed and unserious our history has become. We lost around 1-1.3 million troops in both world wars, but killed over a million Irish people in 6 years because why not?

That doesn't mean that we should all be saying hail Marys every night for our sins to be forgiven; because they were the sins of our fathers, not us, but what happened then was barbarism and cruelty, and the crown still represents that in many parts of the world. As a nation, we still hold a grudge against Germany, and now imagine what they did in Europe for 5-10 years they did to only us, and not for a decade, but for a couple of hundred years. Imagine the resentment and anger that would exist within our national psyche. That's how people have a right to feel about us.

Can’t really disagree. I think it all boils down to the fact that there are some things to make public (as far as personal prerogative goes) and some things to keep to oneself. The last sentence falls under the latter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

hopefully, this will end her career

[Redway]

hopefully, this will end her career

Again, I don’t think it should come to that but one way or another she does need to face-up to the seriousness of what she said.

[bots]

There are ways of putting any argument and doing it to inflame isn't going to result in a sympathetic response

[Niamh.]

There are ways of putting any argument and doing it to inflame isn't going to result in a sympathetic responseShe wouldn't have gotten a sympathetic response no matter how she put it let's be real

[Crimson Dynamo]

no doubt, as with a lot of these "tweets" she would have been pished when she did it or on something else

[Redway]

no doubt, as with a lot of these "tweets" she would have been pished when she did it or on something else

She was stone-cold sober, trust-me.

[Redway]

Maybe the title I gave was a bit of a misnomer because a lot of Britain’s history (the type they certainly don’t teach in schools) is shameful and it goes without-saying that I’m pretty hot on racism and whatnot so I’m the last person to want people to censor their views on history per se but it has to be directed at the appropriate source/s, not an old lady who literally had no choice to remain impartial to whatever the monarchical pieties of her respective time/s requested her do. People should not-have been directing death-wishes to her under any circumstances, not if she wasn’t-actually Hitler or Bin-Laden.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She was stone-cold sober, trust-me.

she sounds like a vile person

nasty

[The Slim Reaper]

A little old lady that wore a diamond worth over £400m on the top of her silly hat, that was stolen from Africa.

[Liam-]

Wait, do we like cancel culture now?

[Cherie]

Speaking just from personal experience I dont think English people hold a grudge against Germans apart from at football, as an Irish person whilst history should never be forgotton, and terrible fates were bestowed on those thought of as peasants by the Aristocracy, times have moved on I would in the main consider England to be an ally of the Republic and they bend over backwards to stay on friendly terms as an example, during covid the Irish could travel freely to England with no issue, it was not the same for people living in England travelling to Ireland who had to test, I hope the Northern Irish protocol does not upset relations because we have been on friendly terms for years now again apart from Sport and long may that remain, history has its place but we should not live in the past, it is not very healthy

[Crimson Dynamo]

A little old lady that wore a diamond worth over £400m on the top of her silly hat, that was stolen from Africa.

like the silly hats in yer wee gif?

[The Slim Reaper]

like the silly hats in yer wee gif?

An even sillier hat than those.

[Crimson Dynamo]

An even sillier hat than those.

Still at least our Monarchs dont look like the Grand Wizard

https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/legacy/sites/wrti/files/201509/pope_francis.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

Every cloud :laugh:

[Cherie]

Still at least our Monarchs dont look like the Grand Wizard

https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/legacy/sites/wrti/files/201509/pope_francis.jpg

We love a papal hat :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

hopefully, this will end her career

As I said when I shared her tweet, it would be a crying shame if she faced professional repercussions for the tweet. Idiocy on Twitter ending jobs isn't a good thing no matter who it happens to.

Short of calling for violence people should be free to say what they want.

Her Uni agrees - I don't have the quote to hand, but a tweet of theirs distanced themselves from what she said, while defending her right to say it.

[Oliver_W]

Personally I just see it that she brought shame onto herself rather than onto the black community.

I hope that most people on here will agree with me on that at least.
Sure, I always think everyone represents themselves, rather than the census boxes they'd tick.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not a view or opinion it's venomous hate speech
Huge difference

[Redway]

Off-topic slightly but I honestly-thought the queen would make 100.

[Mystic Mock]

Wait, do we like cancel culture now?

Personally no I don't.

I think it's one of them, let her express her views, but people that don't agree with her can also express what they think of her comments.

[Niamh.]

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

I agree with this and just to say as well, Nelson Mandela is mentioned in the options there, when he died there was plenty of people being disrespectful towards him and calling him a terrorist etc Speculation on my part of course but I'd wager that a lot of those people are the same ones who are now demanding no one has a bad word to say about the Queen/Monarchy etc

**I don't mean people on here, I mean in general/on social media

[thesheriff443]

If you want to blame one woman for the wrong doings in history you are obviously a complete dick head

[Niamh.]

If you want to blame one woman for the wrong doings in history you are obviously a complete dick head

I think it's a little bit more complex than blaming one woman for the wrong doings in History, it's what she represents more than her as a person which is the Monarchy and an Empire that did a lot of damage to many countries in the world. You can't be the Queen of Britain for the good stuff but just a little old lady when it comes to the more unsavory parts.

[bots]

lets be in no doubt, if the queen had her way we would all still be stuck in the 1950's. She resisted change and progress at every opportunity

[Oliver_W]

lets be in no doubt, if the queen had her way we would all still be stuck in the 1950's. She resisted change and progress at every opportunity

What kind of thing did she resist?

[bots]

What kind of thing did she resist?

literally everything. She didn't even champion her own sisters wish to marry a divorced man, telling her that if she went ahead she would be cut off financially and thrown out of the family. She refused to acknowledge that Diana's death had any importance and stopped any form of official recognition until she was told that if she didn't change course the monarchy was over.

The royal family have been unpleasant from my earliest recollections, i don't know how else to put it, she insisted on sticking to protocols born in the 50's or earlier until she was told if she didnt budge she would be out

[Oliver_W]

literally everything. She didn't even champion her own sisters wish to marry a divorced man, telling her that if she went ahead she would be cut off financially and thrown out of the family. She refused to acknowledge that Diana's death had any importance and stopped any form of official recognition until she was told that if she didn't change course the monarchy was over.

The royal family have been unpleasant from my earliest recollections, i don't know how else to put it, she insisted on sticking to protocols born in the 50's or earlier until she was told if she didnt budge she would be out
How would one princess being cut off and the death of another not being acknowledged keep us in the 1950s? Would anything she resisted have any material impact on us normies?

[MTVN]

literally everything. She didn't even champion her own sisters wish to marry a divorced man, telling her that if she went ahead she would be cut off financially and thrown out of the family. She refused to acknowledge that Diana's death had any importance and stopped any form of official recognition until she was told that if she didn't change course the monarchy was over.

The royal family have been unpleasant from my earliest recollections, i don't know how else to put it, she insisted on sticking to protocols born in the 50's or earlier until she was told if she didnt budge she would be out

Wasn't that because of UK legislation though and something that was out of her hands. It was incredibly difficult for the Queen to change anything amid legislation, protocol, and her advisors.

Its a very difficult balancing act. On the one hand there does need to be an element of modernisation but a monarchy by its very nature is a traditionalist institution and many people would say that the traditions are vital its longevity and stability over so many years

[bots]

Wasn't that because of UK legislation though and something that was out of her hands. It was incredibly difficult for the Queen to change anything amid legislation, protocol, and her advisors.

Its a very difficult balancing act. On the one hand there does need to be an element of modernisation but a monarchy by its very nature is a traditionalist institution and many people would say that the traditions are vital its longevity and stability over so many years

at that particular time, half the cabinet were divorced and had remarried, including the prime minister of the time, so i dont think its fair to say legislation got in the way :laugh:

[MTVN]

at that particular time, half the cabinet were divorced and had remarried, including the prime minister of the time, so i dont think its fair to say legislation got in the way :laugh:

They weren't royals though, there was specific legislation covering members of the Royal family. It was one of the hypocritical things about that cabinet, half of them were divorced yet were dead against the Queen's sister marrying a divorcee

[MTVN]

My main source is the Crown lol, which might not be strictly accurate but it does go into a lot of detail on the problems with Margaret's attempted marriage

[bots]

They weren't royals though, there was specific legislation covering members of the Royal family. It was one of the hypocritical things about that cabinet, half of them were divorced yet were dead against the Queen's sister marrying a divorcee

there was the royal marriages act where anyone under 25 was required to seek the queens approval to marry. The queen refused her sister, she also refused Prince Andrews marriage to Koo Stark and Charles attempt to marry Camilla at the time

[Niamh.]

there was the royal marriages act where anyone under 25 was required to seek the queens approval to marry. The queen refused her sister, she also refused Prince Andrews marriage to Koo Stark and Charles attempt to marry Camilla at the time

Imagine if this had been allowed originally? How different things would have turned out

[thesheriff443]

I think it's a little bit more complex than blaming one woman for the wrong doings in History, it's what she represents more than her as a person which is the Monarchy and an Empire that did a lot of damage to many countries in the world. You can't be the Queen of Britain for the good stuff but just a little old lady when it comes to the more unsavory parts.

There is nothing complex about it
The facts are people don’t know what they are talking about
The queen represents the country she does rule the country
People vote in governments and it’s those governments that rule this country

[Niamh.]

There is nothing complex about it
The facts are people don’t know what they are talking about
The queen represents the country she does rule the country
People vote in governments and it’s those governments that rule this country

You got that right...

[thesheriff443]

You got that right...

As long as you understand that then it’s all good.

[Niamh.]

As long as you understand that then it’s all good.

:laugh: :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The British Empre did many good things miles ahead of others

Like abolish Slavery in 1807

Or stopping the practice of Suttee in India

2 name but 2

[thesheriff443]

If you look at the crowds that will be out to show their respect on the day of her funeral, you will see people from all walks of life and ethnicity come together.

[Oliver_W]

If you look at the crowds that will be out to show their respect on the day of her funeral, you will see people from all walks of life and ethnicity come together.

Because most people aren't psychopaths who delight in the deaths of others.

[The Slim Reaper]

Because most people aren't psychopaths who delight in the deaths of others.

What's your scale from mourners to psychopath? :laugh:

Where do propagandised serfs come into the mix, or folks that don't delight in a single death, but despise what the monarchy stands for?

[The Slim Reaper]

The Princes that were promised...

1568916237693894657

[The Slim Reaper]

A healthy democracy...

The result of the tory crime and police bill, that I warned you about.


1569286487245754369

[Niamh.]

A healthy democracy...

The result of the tory crime and police bill, that I warned you about.


1569286487245754369

woo that's pretty bad, for just holding up a sign?

[bots]

i wonder what they are being charged with

[The Slim Reaper]

woo that's pretty bad, for just holding up a sign?

Yup. Not an isolated incident either; there have been a number of arrests.

[Niamh.]

i wonder what they are being charged with

Treason? :umm2:

[The Slim Reaper]

1569062576436256776

[bots]

if we see bonfires being built in the next couple of days, we will know what the direction is of the new monarchy :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

vxSLNpYVXX0

[bots]

vxSLNpYVXX0

he has changed a lot since he used to give us covid updates

[Crimson Dynamo]

he has changed a lot since he used to give us covid updates

sign of the times

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with this and just to say as well, Nelson Mandela is mentioned in the options there, when he died there was plenty of people being disrespectful towards him and calling him a terrorist etc Speculation on my part of course but I'd wager that a lot of those people are the same ones who are now demanding no one has a bad word to say about the Queen/Monarchy etc

**I don't mean people on here, I mean in general/on social media

Personally speaking, people can say anything bad about whoever they want to, especially if the person in question has put themselves under public scrutiny.

However again with Mandela, it's very easy for those people that you're on about to call him a terrorist when they're not being treated like a piece of **** in their own country, and democracy wasn't really available to Mandela at the time.

[Mystic Mock]

The Princes that were promised...

1568916237693894657

He won't be allowed to do that I reckon.

[Cherie]

1569062576436256776

Surprised these strong views allowed them to participate for profit on British TV shows :laugh:

[Cherie]

He won't be allowed to do that I reckon.

Its alot more complicated than just handing them back I am afraid, they should be ashamed of themselves for this simplification, no one wants war to break out again, its an issue that needs careful handling

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jedward the official voice of the Southern Irish Republic

:joker:

[Cherie]

Jedward the official voice of the Southern Irish Republic

:joker:

I’m mortified, they must have been sinking into oblivion to come out with such blatant self promotion

[bots]

The Princes that were promised...

1568916237693894657

So what is real democracy? It's not an absolute, it's a matter of opinion

[Niamh.]

Jedward the official voice of the Southern Irish Republic

:joker:

Excuse me, the most Northerly part of Ireland is in the Republic of Ireland :fist:

[Niamh.]

Just a pet peeve of mine why people call it "Southern Ireland" I live in southern Ireland because I'm in Cork but Donegal is very much in the North and Dublin East etc

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just a pet peeve of mine why people call it "Southern Ireland" I live in southern Ireland because I'm in Cork but Donegal is very much in the North and Dublin East etc

Neem you also have "Eire" "the Republic", "Southern Ireland" or "the South" so make up your minds

:nono:

[Niamh.]

Neem you also have "Eire" "the Republic", "Southern Ireland" or "the South" so make up your minds



:nono:No one in Ireland calls the Republic of Ireland "Southern Ireland " its just not accurate :oh:

[Oliver_W]

A healthy democracy...

The result of the tory crime and police bill, that I warned you about.


1569286487245754369

Was the one whose sign also said "**** Imperialism" ? As I think having written swearwords constitutes a "breach of peace", at least in Scotland.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one in Ireland calls the Republic of Ireland "Southern Ireland " its just not accurate :oh:

Well you are not joining with our bit and calling the whole shebang

"Ireland"

over Bonnie Prince Charlie III and his royal highness Prince William of Orange's grave

:fist:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/352460887527_/King-William-Iii-Prince-Of-Orange-Vintage-Maylin.jpg

[Mitchell]

I’m torn between options 2 and 3, there’s a lot of people who are more than entitled to not mourn someone that’s been so catastrophic to their life, and really I don’t think I (or anyone really) have a right to dictate to someone of that background how to react to the death of that person.

(So really I should’ve picked option 2, but I can see points for them both, but not in the first imo, they have a right to feel that way)

[Mystic Mock]

Its alot more complicated than just handing them back I am afraid, they should be ashamed of themselves for this simplification, no one wants war to break out again, its an issue that needs careful handling

I agree.

[Oliver_W]

I’m torn between options 2 and 3, there’s a lot of people who are more than entitled to not mourn someone that’s been so catastrophic to their life, and really I don’t think I (or anyone really) have a right to dictate to someone of that background how to react to the death of that person.

(So really I should’ve picked option 2, but I can see points for them both, but not in the first imo, they have a right to feel that way)

How has the Queen been catastrophic to people's lives?

[Cherie]

How has the Queen been catastrophic to people's lives?

she cost 69p per person up 4p from last year?

[Crimson Dynamo]

she cost 69p per person up 4p from last year?

D:

[Nicky91]

i'm on the fence in this one