The Little Mermaid (2023)

[Glenn.]

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Looks incredible

[Crimson Dynamo]

its for children ffs

:joker:

[Jordan.]

Halle was meant for this role, such a beautiful voice :love:

[Glenn.]

Halle was meant for this role, such a beautiful voice :love:

Agreed. She’s perfect

[Kate!]

its for children ffs

:joker:

Nawwww it's for everyone with a soul:love:

[Oliver_W]

Nawwww it's for everyone with a soul:love:

Not gingers then :hehe:

[UserSince2005]

All videos of the children crying when the see a black mermaid.
They are me when I see another white person in London :joker:

[Oliver_W]

Had a look at the IMDB - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5971474/
Hermione from the Harry Potter Play is playing someone called Queen Selina - Ariel's mother, I'm guessing?
Melissa McCarthy is Ursula - cool, usually like her.
Jacob Tremblay as Founder. Sure, why not, he's on everything these days.
Lin-Manuel Miranda is rumoured to be playing the Chef. Bit of a waste, he's too good for such a small role really.

Don't know the rest.

[Mystic Mock]

Not gingers then :hehe:

Cartman is that you?:laugh:

[UserSince2005]

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Viral for all the wrong reason. Guy is currently in hiding

[Niamh.]

Halle was meant for this role, such a beautiful voice :love:

I read loads of people started getting very irritate that Halle Berry got the rule and she's far too old!! :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

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Viral for all the wrong reason. Guy is currently in hiding

Well the guy definitely isn't the brightest.:laugh:

Don't get me wrong it's cringy how Hollywood is handling the diversity quota imo, but that's no excuse to be racist like this guy is being.

[Liam-]

Well the guy definitely isn't the brightest.:laugh:

Don't get me wrong it's cringy how Hollywood is handling the diversity quota imo, but that's no excuse to be racist like this guy is being.

Giving Black people jobs is cringy?

[Mystic Mock]

Giving Black people jobs is cringy?

No.

Having a quota of one of every race having to be cast in most products, regardless of if they're good enough or not is cringy.

I personally would rather a story for example not have a single white character in a Film if it means that the product is better.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that this remake is necessarily gonna be bad either, in fact I'm a bit more lucky than the fans of the original Film as I've never watched it, so for me The Little Mermaid Remake could be my entry point into the franchise.

[Oliver_W]

No.

Having a quota of one of every race having to be cast in most products, regardless of if they're good enough or not is cringy.

I personally would rather a story for example not have a single white character in a Film if it means that the product is better.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that this remake is necessarily gonna be bad either, in fact I'm a bit more lucky than the fans of the original Film as I've never watched it, so for me The Little Mermaid Remake could be my entry point into the franchise.
Quotas are pretty stupid, and it is indeed rather cringe when (say) High Society in Renaissance-to-Victorian times has an improbable number of black people, which goes unremarked upon and apparently unnoticed. Obviously there weren't zero, but a film depicting zero cropping up in the narrative would be more realistic than multiple.

But anachronisms happen, and it would be hypocritical to actually get "outraged" over that but overlook medieval homes having full sized transparent glass windows. I've never really given much of a **** about that sort of thing. Like it stands out and it's obvious why the filmmakers do it (and sometimes, it's because they gave the best audition - fancy that!) but I'd rather the thing exist than not.

I think the Rings of Power should have been set in Harad (Middle Earth's Africa), and had a majority of the original characters be black.

[GoldHeart]

This new Little Mermaid has been in the works for ages it feels, I'm glad there's finally a trailer & release date .

I'll probably check it out :) .

[Mystic Mock]

Quotas are pretty stupid, and it is indeed rather cringe when (say) High Society in Renaissance-to-Victorian times has an improbable number of black people, which goes unremarked upon and apparently unnoticed. Obviously there weren't zero, but a film depicting zero cropping up in the narrative would be more realistic than multiple.

But anachronisms happen, and it would be hypocritical to actually get "outraged" over that but overlook medieval homes having full sized transparent glass windows. I've never really given much of a **** about that sort of thing. Like it stands out and it's obvious why the filmmakers do it (and sometimes, it's because they gave the best audition - fancy that!) but I'd rather the thing exist than not.

I think the Rings of Power should have been set in Harad (Middle Earth's Africa), and had a majority of the original characters be black.

Tbh the only time an historical themed series has bugged me with it's casting is that one Show that had Anne Boleyn be Mixed Race, because that's an historical figure that really existed, and she weren't a mixed race woman.

Otherwise I am open to a bit of unrealistic casting for that time period, like I am open to Rings Of Power if it's any good.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh the only time an historical themed series has bugged me with it's casting is that one Show that had Anne Boleyn be Mixed Race, because that's an historical figure that really existed, and she weren't a mixed race woman.

Otherwise I am open to a bit of unrealistic casting for that time period, like I am open to Rings Of Power if it's any good.

RoP is just boring tbh.

[Liam-]

No.

Having a quota of one of every race having to be cast in most products, regardless of if they're good enough or not is cringy.

I personally would rather a story for example not have a single white character in a Film if it means that the product is better.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that this remake is necessarily gonna be bad either, in fact I'm a bit more lucky than the fans of the original Film as I've never watched it, so for me The Little Mermaid Remake could be my entry point into the franchise.

Is there documentation of this supposed ‘quota’ or are you just repeating all of these white replacement theories you’ve probably seen online?

[Mystic Mock]

RoP is just boring tbh.

I have heard that tbf.

I hope to feel differently though.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Is there documentation of this supposed ‘quota’ or are you just repeating all of these white replacement theories you’ve probably seen online?

Well I'm going with the Shows that I've watched.

Like for example the CSI Vegas show that was on Alibi, the Show grew on me as time went along, but it's quite clear to see that all of the new cast (including the white guy) were cast based purely on demographics rather than on acting talent or having a great character, that luckily for the writers came together for them as the Season went along.

Plus there was NCIS: LA replacing two characters with two newbies that have one attribute each, Rountree's personality is that his black & Fatima is being a Muslim, if anything that's prejudiced from the writers, not me for noticing their blatant bad writing.

And those groups that you're on about are insane, they can't handle seeing a black person or a woman leading a Show, that is definitely not my style.

For me I like to see myself as a Rachel Rice when it comes to the diversity on TV argument, I personally really don't mind black people getting roles on TV, because without listing all of the Shows/Movies off, I have liked a fair few black characters over the years, because to me a good character is a good character, regardless of their appearance.

However I don't support forced diversity, and to me that means anybody being a token in a Show, not just black people.

[Mystic Mock]

Okay this Film sounds like a mess.

They've hired a black actress to play Ariel, but they're gonna CGI her to look white?

Why not just hire a white actress then? Or you know be brave and stick with the decision that they've made?

[Cherie]

Okay this Film sounds like a mess.

They've hired a black actress to play Ariel, but they're gonna CGI her to look white?

Why not just hire a white actress then? Or you know be brave and stick with the decision that they've made?

Not following this at all as its a movie aimed at little kids but what the hell if this is true....:shrug:

Just leave the character black ...dear me

[Oliver_W]

Is there documentation of this supposed ‘quota’ or are you just repeating all of these white replacement theories you’ve probably seen online?
Amazon Studios says: (https://dei.amazonstudios.com/inclusion-policy/)
To reduce invisibility in entertainment, and where the story allows, we aim to include one character from each of the following categories for speaking roles of any size, and at minimum 50% of the total of these should be women: (1) lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or gender non-conforming / non-binary; (2) person with a disability; and (3) three regionally underrepresented racial/ethnic/cultural groups (e.g. in the US, three of the following: Black, Latinx, Indigenous, Middle Eastern/North African, or Asian / Pacific Islander or Multi-Racial). A single character can fulfill one or more of these identities.

Most productions have a multitude of speaking roles, from leads to smaller roles. Where it doesn’t compromise the authenticity of the story, the minimum aspirational goals for casting across speaking roles are 30% white men, 30% white women and non-binary people, 20% men from underrepresented races and ethnicities, 20% women and non-binary people from underrepresented races and ethnicities.

Most productions have a multitude of speaking roles, from leads to smaller roles. Where it doesn’t compromise the authenticity of the story, the minimum aspirational goals for casting across speaking roles are 30% white men, 30% white women and non-binary people, 20% men from underrepresented races and ethnicities, 20% women and non-binary people from underrepresented races and ethnicities.
Though to their credit they allow exceptions if the verisimilitude of the historical or sociological context demands it.

ABC Studios (Disney) has some policies: (http://webproxy.to/browse.php/FT3aMAGS/XqL27TPI/owtlh0pO/9Rh05Urd/4V3qVv4F/r0LaoK_2/F_2BMYt9/wey3_2F7/xqJJM_3D/b5/fnorefer)
Standard A - Onscreen Representation
A1 Characters: 50% or more of regular and recurring written characters come from Underrepresented Groups

•A2 Actors: 50% or more of regular and recurring actors come from Underrepresented Groups

•A3 Secondary Characters: Meaningful inclusion of Underrepresented Groups as secondary or more minor on-screen
individuals, including background actors

Standard B - Creative Leadership
•B1 50% or more of producer & above on writing staff and 50% or more of Co-Producer & below on writing staff come from

Underrepresented Groups

•B2 50% or more of episodic directors come from Underrepresented Groups

•B3 Casting Director is from an Underrepresented Group or has not previously worked on a DGE show in this role

•B4 Meaningful representation of Underrepresented Groups in senior creative leadership

•B5 Promotion of a member of an Underrepresented Group into a role that constitutes career progression for at least one
member of the writing staff
•B6 Substantial year-over-year increase in members of Underrepresented Groups as directors and in writing staff
(Comes from a pdf linked under "Content") The website is region-locked, so I had to link it through a USA proxy.

The BBC has specific strategies too: (https://www.cineuropa.org/el.aspx?el=https%3A//bbc.com/diversity/documents/bbc-diversity-and-inclusion-plan20-23.pdf)
Using predictive analysis we have determined our new diversity goals and commitments, announced by our new Director-General in September 2020.

In his introductory speech to colleagues, Tim Davie committed to creating an
organisation which reflects more accurately the society we serve. That means
a gender balance at the BBC, at least 20% Black, Asian and minority ethnic
staff, and building from at least 12% disabled staff towards reflecting the UK
population. In addition we will deliver 50:20:12 plans to build our socio-economic
diversity, as well as ensuring we are truly inclusive for all LGBTQ+ employees.

That wasn't a copypasta, I found all the info in about five minutes total by googling.

Whether or not implementing such quotas and strategies is a good, bad, or indifferent thing is another discussion (tbh I'd say indifferent) but to write their existence off as paranoid delusions is demonstrably false.

I have heard that tbf.

I hope to feel differently though.:laugh:
It's not really the stories that are boring, it's more the characters and pacing. Long form storytelling has its place, but the problem here is in the execution, which sometimes sounds quite appealing :joker: there's just episodes and episodes where noooothiiing happens. The first five episodes could be told in two or three without feeling rushed, y'know?

The characters are also a problem. They're nearly all boring or unlikeable. The best bits are with Elrond, Durin, and Disa. I wish it was just them three having Eleven and Dwarven adventures.

But that's my opinion. It's mirrored elsewhere in both senses of the word :joker: so, eye of the beholder and all that!

[Oliver_W]

Okay this Film sounds like a mess.

They've hired a black actress to play Ariel, but they're gonna CGI her to look white?

Why not just hire a white actress then? Or you know be brave and stick with the decision that they've made?

Tbh that sounds fake? I heard that someone on social media shared some footage where they "fixed" her themselves, but I really doubt Disney would do that.
(Apart from for the China release)

[Cherie]

Tbh that sounds fake? I heard that someone on social media shared some footage where they "fixed" her themselves, but I really doubt Disney would do that.
(Apart from for the China release)


Maybe it is for that, which makes a mockery of diversity which can becset aside when it comes to box office receipts

[Mystic Mock]

Not following this at all as its a movie aimed at little kids but what the hell if this is true....:shrug:

Just leave the character black ...dear me

I agree.

They hired her so they should stick by their decision.

Ironically what they've done is racist.

[Mystic Mock]

Amazon Studios says: (https://dei.amazonstudios.com/inclusion-policy/)

Though to their credit they allow exceptions if the verisimilitude of the historical or sociological context demands it.

ABC Studios (Disney) has some policies: (http://webproxy.to/browse.php/FT3aMAGS/XqL27TPI/owtlh0pO/9Rh05Urd/4V3qVv4F/r0LaoK_2/F_2BMYt9/wey3_2F7/xqJJM_3D/b5/fnorefer)

(Comes from a pdf linked under "Content") The website is region-locked, so I had to link it through a USA proxy.

The BBC has specific strategies too: (https://www.cineuropa.org/el.aspx?el=https%3A//bbc.com/diversity/documents/bbc-diversity-and-inclusion-plan20-23.pdf)


That wasn't a copypasta, I found all the info in about five minutes total by googling.

Whether or not implementing such quotas and strategies is a good, bad, or indifferent thing is another discussion (tbh I'd say indifferent) but to write their existence off as paranoid delusions is demonstrably false.


It's not really the stories that are boring, it's more the characters and pacing. Long form storytelling has its place, but the problem here is in the execution, which sometimes sounds quite appealing :joker: there's just episodes and episodes where noooothiiing happens. The first five episodes could be told in two or three without feeling rushed, y'know?

The characters are also a problem. They're nearly all boring or unlikeable. The best bits are with Elrond, Durin, and Disa. I wish it was just them three having Eleven and Dwarven adventures.

But that's my opinion. It's mirrored elsewhere in both senses of the word :joker: so, eye of the beholder and all that!

Yeah I'm not really into badly paced Shows.

Don't get me wrong I'm not a superfan of rushing things either, but I would take that flaw over episodes and episodes of a "slow burn" which is a term that's overused nowadays by writers & critics for basically the story is **** until you get to a certain junction.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh that sounds fake? I heard that someone on social media shared some footage where they "fixed" her themselves, but I really doubt Disney would do that.
(Apart from for the China release)

I wanna hope that it's fake.

[LaLaLand]

I’m just not seeing Melissa McCarthy as Ursula. Sorry. She’s too tame.

I wish they’d have gone for Harvey Fierstein to play her, he’d have been brilliant. The animated Ursula was based on legendary drag performer Divine (RIP).

[Oliver_W]

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Maybe it is for that, which makes a mockery of diversity which can becset aside when it comes to box office receipts

I was just being facetious/sarcastic when I said it was probably for China ... But I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

Disney acts like they're being "LGBT allies" by including gay couples in some background shots you can see if you squint, only to remove them for China. They self-felaciated over hiring John Boyega in Star Wars, only to almost remove him from the posters and minimise his role in the latter films.

Passive-progressive idiots.