The £400 Government Energy Oct 2022, sent to you via 6 Payments

[arista]

So you should receive around £67
each month up to February.


For those that need to know.

[Cherie]

It won’t be sent to your bank it will be reduced from your energy bill by your energy company starting in October, the only exception to this is those people on pre payment meters...they will get a voucher

Please change your inaccurate title Sir

[arista]

It won’t be sent to your bank it will be reduced from your energy bill by your energy company starting in October, the only exception to this is those people on pre payment meters...they will get a voucher

Please change your inaccurate title Sir


Done
Thank You Cherie.

[Gusto Brunt]

Starting in October, what date?

[Cherie]

Starting in October, what date?

whenever you get your Oct bill

[UserSince2005]

What a joke. We all know they will just spend it on booze and fags and then complain about how cold they are

[UserSince2005]

It won’t be sent to your bank it will be reduced from your energy bill by your energy company starting in October, the only exception to this is those people on pre payment meters...they will get a voucher

Please change your inaccurate title Sir

Oh good. These people can’t be trusted with free cash

[Gusto Brunt]

whenever you get your Oct bill

That's due in the next 10 days. :)

[Cherie]

That's due in the next 10 days. :)

Let us know if the 67.00 is deducted

[Gusto Brunt]

Let us know if the 67.00 is deducted


I'm not sure how the government deposited money will displayed on my account.

My current bill balance is always displayed even when I've paid it.

Not sure if there will be some sort of link to show the deposited government money which can be used towards my bill.:shrug:

But yeah I will post if something happens. :)

[Cherie]

I'm not sure how the government deposited money will displayed on my account.

My current bill balance is always displayed even when I've paid it.

Not sure if there will be some sort of link to show the deposited government money which can be used towards my bill.:shrug:

But yeah I will post if something happens. :)

I had an email from my supplier saying it would be deducted from the bill each month from Oct to March, so it should show on bill

just checked my account and my DD has been reduced starting 1/10

[Gusto Brunt]

I had an email from my supplier saying it would be deducted from the bill each month from Oct to March, so it should show on bill

just checked my account and my DD has been reduced starting 1/10

Thanks. My concern is the bill might be inflated by the supplier if, for instance, your bill is really £53.00 for October but they say it's £67.00 so they can take all the money.

[bots]

Thanks. My concern is the bill might be inflated by the supplier if, for instance, your bill is really £53.00 for October but they say it's £67.00 so they can take all the money.

your balance can go negative

[Gusto Brunt]

your balance can go negative

Where money is available, I'm very skeptical it'll be deducted honestly. :nono:

[Cherie]

Where money is available, I'm very skeptical it'll be deducted honestly. :nono:

Then you will go into credit, you can easily check usage against the month before, you have a reading they are not plucking figures out of the air unless estimated of course

[Gusto Brunt]

Then you will go into credit, you can easily check usage against the month before, you have a reading they are not plucking figures out of the air unless estimated of course

Hmm...I am still skeptical - probably because I have seen a lot of deceit with many companies. But thanks for your information. :)

[joeysteele]

I really don't get why this wasn't just taken off in one go in October or November.
Rather than this £66/67 off over each of 6 months nonsense.

[Cherie]

I really don't get why this wasn't just taken off in one go in October or November.
Rather than this £66/67 off over each of 6 months nonsense.

I think its a good way to spread the cost tbf and it will stop people from spending the lot in the early months

[joeysteele]

I think its a good way to spread the cost tbf and it will stop people from spending the lot in the early months

It's being taken directly off the bills though.
They don't get the cash in their hands.

[bots]

It's being taken directly off the bills though.
They don't get the cash in their hands.

it leads to more cash in hand though

[joeysteele]

it leads to more cash in hand though

Well not if people are really struggling anyway.
There's still an increase of £600 roughly going on the cap on 1st October.

There's only going to be for those getting bills in October and November.
There's only either £66 to £132 being taken off their bills.

I personally don't need this, it's going to everyone however.
For those who struggled with their last bill, this isn't going to help much, a bit yes, however I think half paid now and half in January would have been a better way.

I take yours and Cherie's point on board but my own view is pay it in a way it could help really break the back of any bills would have been better.

[Cherie]

It's being taken directly off the bills though.
They don't get the cash in their hands.

I know but they could use the lot in energy in the first 3 months is what I am saying, at least this way people know whatever they use their bill will be reduced for 6 months

[bots]

if they paid it in one lump sum, there is a danger people get the champagne out for that month, overspend and then are in deep difficulty for the next 5 months. It's human behaviour, not everyone has the discipline to think this has to last me over the winter. It's that simple

[joeysteele]

if they paid it in one lump sum, there is a danger people get the champagne out for that month, overspend and then are in deep difficulty for the next 5 months. It's human behaviour, not everyone has the discipline to think this has to last me over the winter. It's that simple

Yeah, I can see that actually now.

Yourself and Cherie have persuaded me this was likely the better way.

[James]

I've read you should provide a meter reading today (maybe not if you don't use a smart meter) before the price rises on October 1st.


When should I submit a meter reading?

Your cost of living questions answered


Emma Munbodh
|Deputy editor

Updated September 30, 2022



You asked:

I understand the energy price cap is rising on 1 October. Does that basically mean my unit rate will go up on that day? I’m on a standard variable tariff, should I take a meter reading and when? Does that apply even if I’m on a smart meter?

Our reply:

Fuelled by surging demand for power after the pandemic, and the disruption to supplies caused by the war in Ukraine, energy bills in the UK are soaring.

The new price cap for the average household has been frozen at £2,500 a year. That will last until 2024 – but the cap will vary by household, depending on your actual usage.

That’s because it’s not a cap on annual bills, it’s a cap on how much you will pay for each unit of gas and electricity used – measured in kilowatt hours (kWh).

The £2,500 figure is based on average unit use of 12,000 kWh a year. Use less than this, and you could pay less, and vice versa. Most households will also get a £400 discount on top.


Under the Energy Price Guarantee, the unit rates will rise from:

Gas: 7p per kWh to 10.30p per kWh. Standing charge: 28.49p per day.
Electricity: 28p per kWh to 34.00p per kWh. Standing charge: 46.36p per day.
To give an example, a four-bed home is estimated to use 18,000 kWh of gas and 4,600 kHw of electricity per year. This equates, at the new unit rates, to an annual cost of £1,854 for gas, and £1,565 for electricity – for a total energy-usage bill of £3,419. Breaking this down further, the monthly cost is about £285.


Meanwhile, for a typical medium-use household with three bedrooms, the usage is put at 12,500 kWh of gas and 3,100 kWh for electricity, bringing annual costs to £1,287 and £1,473 respectively – a total yearly usage bill of £2,760. The monthly cost works out at about £230.

These figures also factor in the standing charge, the fixed daily amount that you have to pay, whether you turn the lights on or not.

Think of the standing charge as basically line rental for energy. It covers the cost of supplying your property with gas and electricity.





Why a meter reading is important

If you pay by direct debit and aren’t on a smart meter, your energy supplier will regularly read your meter or ask for a reading to calculate your bills.

That means your monthly payments are likely to be estimates. Every time it receives a reading, it will recalculate your bill based on your actual usage. That explains why you may find yourself in credit in the summer when your bills are the same but your usage is down.

If you don’t send a reading when requested, your supplier will continue to estimate your usage and your bill might end up too high or low. This could lead to you being hugely in debit. In other words, in debt to your supplier.

Another advantage of regular readings is that you will be able to keep tabs on your energy use and, where possible, make adjustments to save money.

If it’s hard for you to do a reading or the meter is inaccessible to you – particularly if you are elderly or vulnerable – your supplier may be able to provide extra help or even to move the meter. You will need to contact the firm to find out your options.

Estimated readings does not mean your supplier can charge you whatever it wants. It’s important that you know your rights on whether it can increase your direct debits and by how much.

Should I submit a meter reading before the October price rise comes into place?

Yes, every time the price cap changes, it’s a good idea to check and submit your meter reading before it comes into effect. This will ensure all of your usage up until that date is charged at the lower unit rate.

If you don’t do a reading, the energy firm will most likely make a best guess as to what your usage was before October 1 and what proportion after that date, and then bill you according to those estimates.

In that scenario, it can be very difficult to prove your usage up until that point, and disputing it can get messy and complicated.



When do I need to submit a reading?

The general rule is to submit a meter reading as late in the day as possible on 30 September.

Some suppliers will allow extra time for this to avoid any panic after phone lines, websites and apps crashed due to demand in April.

That means you can take a meter reading now (take a photo, too, and make sure it has a time stamp on) and then submit it when the phone lines and websites are less jammed.

Customers supplied by Octopus Energy, for example, have a week to submit their readings, provided they were taken on October 1, while E.ON customers have five days.

British Gas has set a deadline of October 14, assuring customers there was “no rush”, and Shell Energy has offered households a window of up to 30 days.

Bulb assured customers they would be allowed to backdate a reading if they could not submit one in time.

Some providers may also offer other options.

British Gas contacted customers asking them to text their reading during the last price cap increase. EDF previously had a form that users could fill in online. The suppliers then adjusted the usage later on and readjusted bills retrospectively.




How to take a meter reading

There are two steps you need to take:

1. Do the actual reading
Locate your meter and then submit the first five numbers shown on the display to your energy supplier.

With a digital metric gas meter, there are eight numbers. So say the reading shows:

12567.1122 – you only submit the 12567

Digital electric meters show five black and white numbers, followed by a red one. You don’t have to worry about the red number.

If you get cheaper electricity at certain times, you might have a “dual rate” meter. This means it will have two rows of numbers.

The top row (labelled “low” or “night”) shows how many units of cheaper power you have used. The bottom row (“normal” or “day”) shows how many units of standard-price electricity you’ve used.

2. Submit the reading
Once you have your reading, you will need to submit it. You can do so:

Online. Bear in mind that some sites crashed in April when the current price cap came into effect so websites are likely to be slow and some might be temporarily down.
Over the phone. Be warned, phone lines will be extremely busy. Avoid unless you have no other option.
On the app. You need to make sure you have an active online account to do this. Check ahead of time so you don’t get stuck on the eve of 30 September.
Do I need to submit a meter reading if I have a smart meter?
In theory, smart meters should take real-time readings but some don’t. This could be because they are first generation meters or because the signal strength isn’t strong enough.

To be on the safe side, always take a reading for future reference, following the same steps above.




I’m worried about rocketing bills, is there any help available?

Energy bills are sky-rocketing so it’s important that you know what help you’re entitled to. A discount of £66 or £67 will be applied to most households’ energy bills every month from October until March 2023.

Some will get double that while those under the disability bracket will get £150 extra in September. See all you need to know, here.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/money-mentor/answer/meter-reading-day-energy-bills/#:~:text=The%20general%20rule%20is%20to,due%20to%2 0demand%20in%20April.

[bots]

if you are on a smart meter or a fixed price contract you don't need to, and I have both :laugh:

[Cherie]

Actually I owe you an apology Arista, my son is with British gas and apparently he will pay his DD as normal, then a few days later they will deposit 66/67 in his bank account so you need to check how your provider is dealing with the 400.00 as its not uniform across the industry

[Gusto Brunt]

Anyone know if a September energy usage will cover the bill issued in early October?

[Zizu]

if you are on a smart meter or a fixed price contract you don't need to, and I have both :laugh:


We did ours a few days ago so presumably we will be fine !?!


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[Zizu]

I get scam texts most days now giving a link for us to claim our £400 !!


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[bots]

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Protests have been taking place across the UK on a day of action highlighting issues including the increased cost of living and the climate crisis.

Enough is Enough, a campaign set up in response to the rising cost of living, held events in cities across the UK.

It comes on the day energy price rises came into effect for millions.

Members of Extinction Rebellion (XR), Just Stop Oil and the Revolutionary Communist Group (RCG) were also among those marching in London on Saturday.

Thousands attended the demonstrations, which also coincided with postal and rail strikes. People attended rallies in cities including Birmingham, Glasgow and Belfast.

[Cherie]

Anyone know if a September energy usage will cover the bill issued in early October?

No the deduction is from usage 1st Oct onwards

[Gusto Brunt]

Just had an email from my energy company. They've put the £66.00 into my account.

I estimate after paying October's bill, I'll still have around £16.00 in the kitty, :)

But that's thanks to Sunak. :D

[Gusto Brunt]

No the deduction is from usage 1st Oct onwards

Thanks. I'll see what happens when I get the bill in five days time. :)

[arista]

Actually I owe you an apology Arista, my son is with British gas and apparently he will pay his DD as normal, then a few days later they will deposit 66/67 in his bank account so you need to check how your provider is dealing with the 400.00 as its not uniform across the industry



Thats OK.

Its good I made a thread on this whole topic

[Gusto Brunt]

I don't know about anyone else, but my energy company are rubbish at setting out a bill.

Take this October £66.00 energy grant. I received an email last week saying that the £66.00 had been credited to my account and will be used in my October bill.

Got my bill in today, £42.00 give or take a few pence. Which if I can do my sums correctly I am still £24.00 in energy credit. But nowhere on my account does it say this £24.00 will be rolled over the November, giving my £91.00 energy credit because it rises to £67.00.

Hopeless. Or is it me who's hopeless?:joker:

[Cherie]

I don't know about anyone else, but my energy company are rubbish at setting out a bill.

Take this October £66.00 energy grant. I received an email last week saying that the £66.00 had been credited to my account and will be used in my October bill.

Got my bill in today, £42.00 give or take a few pence. Which if I can do my sums correctly I am still £24.00 in energy credit. But nowhere on my account does it say this £24.00 will be rolled over the November, giving my £91.00 energy credit because it rises to £67.00.

Hopeless. Or is it me who's hopeless?:joker:

mmm thats odd you should email them and ask for a breakdown, prices went up on 1st Oct by about 30% did you factor this in, they should ne able to give you figures, the 67.00 is coming off your electric bill it wont show in your gas account (as not everyone has gas)

[bots]

i would imagine there will be a lot of mistakes

[Gusto Brunt]

mmm thats odd you should email them and ask for a breakdown, prices went up on 1st Oct by about 30% did you factor this in, they should ne able to give you figures, the 67.00 is coming off your electric bill it wont show in your gas account (as not everyone has gas)

Yeah well that's why I am posting on here because their supposed 'winning app' is hopeless. Absolutely no breakdown at all.

I tried phoning yesterday and always unavailable customer service. Obviously a lot of people trying to get the same info' as me. :fist:

I don't use gas. Just electric.

Cheers. :)

[Cherie]

Yeah well that's why I am posting on here because their supposed 'winning app' is hopeless. Absolutely no breakdown at all.

I tried phoning yesterday and always unavailable customer service. Obviously a lot of people trying to get the same info' as me. :fist:

I don't use gas. Just electric.

Cheers. :)

oh okay that should make it easier to work out then, although they should still give you a proper breakdown, I think Marin Lewis said some households which had energy bills around 1500 would be the sweet spot where their electric would be paid in full each month

[Gusto Brunt]

oh okay that should make it easier to work out then, although they should still give you a proper breakdown, I think Marin Lewis said some households which had energy bills around 1500 would be the sweet spot where their electric would be paid in full each month

Managed to get in touch with them. Yes, my October bill has been paid using the £66.00 energy grant, and money has been rolled over to November, plus the £66.00 for November. And £67.00 in December.

An email confirmation the bill has been paid has been received. :)

But the account 'information' is pretty much non-existent.

[Vanessa]

I just got the first one by mail.
I need to go to the post office to get the vouchers..

[bots]

Everyone round to Vanessa's for a party tonight

[Vanessa]

Everyone round to Vanessa's for a party tonight

:laugh::dance:

[Cherie]

Everyone round to Vanessa's for a party tonight

whoo

[Gusto Brunt]

I was a bit cold last night in the living room, so instead if turning on any heating, I grabbd an old duvet from the cupboard and wrapped it round me. :hee:

Warm as toast and saved a few quid, too. :D:hee:

[Vanessa]

I always have my cover when I'm on my sofa. It keeps me warm.

[Cherie]

Its going to be 20 degrees in London next week

[Gusto Brunt]

I always have my cover when I'm on my sofa. It keeps me warm.

The highest duvet tog the better.

[Zizu]

The possibility of occasionally not having heat from 4pm to 7pm ??

I’ll just go for an hours long run/jog .. feel fabulous and it takes a while to cool down afterwards ..

I do worry for all the sick and elderly people though


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[bots]

Liz Truss told us that power cuts were extremely unlikely, so I think that makes them a certainty

[Cherie]

The possibility of occasionally not having heat from 4pm to 7pm ??

I’ll just go for an hours long run/jog .. feel fabulous and it takes a while to cool down afterwards ..

I do worry for all the sick and elderly people though


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I thought you had long covid and got breathless good to hear that has passed

It’s the worst possible time for many parents trying to feed kids as well

[bots]

i didn't get the £60 off my bill this month

[Zizu]

i didn't get the £60 off my bill this month


We can’t trust Truss !


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[Gusto Brunt]

i didn't get the £60 off my bill this month

Then contact your supplier. I got the money off my October bill that was for energy used in September. I was quite happy with that. I didn't have to pay a penny of my October electricity bill. :hee:

[bots]

panic over, it was paid into my account today :dance:

[Cherie]

panic over, it was paid into my account today :dance:

The party is at BOTs cold home :dance:

[Gusto Brunt]

Looked at my bank account tonight and my local council sent me £20.00.

No idea what that's for?

[hijaxers]

Looked at my bank account tonight and my local council sent me £20.00.

No idea what that's for?

Mine have sent £150

[Gusto Brunt]

Mine have sent £150

Yes I received that a few months back but aso this £20.00.

[arista]

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