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Crimson Dynamo
06-10-2022, 03:38 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2022/10/06/TELEMMGLPICT000311788456_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq-IWLY18X4-CzgyIcjLEAj_SVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpeg?imwidth=700

JK Rowling has called Nicola Sturgeon a “destroyer of women’s rights” after a
Holyrood inquiry ridiculously approved plans to allow Scots to self-identify their legal
gender without medical proof.


MSPs have backed new legislation which would allow 16-year-olds to apply for a
Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) without a formal diagnosis of gender
dysphoria.

The plans also cut the time an individual has to live in their “acquired
gender” from two years to three months before making an application.

The Harry Potter author took to Twitter on Thursday to give her support to
hundreds of protesters from For Women Scotland who gathered outside
Holyrood to protest against the reforms.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1577964493702938626?s=20&t=zAW-2kjiC1GxpWxgBDkzZw

Opponents said they were concerned “predatory males” would use the GRC reforms to “gain access” to women’s spaces.

They argued the Bill “contradicts aspects of the Equality Act” and erodes
“safety, privacy, dignity and opportunities for women”.

Critics also claimed 16-year-olds are too young to make such life-altering
decisions” that could lead to the use of “puberty blockers” and surgery.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/06/jk-rowling-nicola-sturgeon-destroyer-womens-rights/

Oliver_W
06-10-2022, 04:06 PM
Gender needs to be abolished from basically all legislature. Biological sex should be all that's acknowledged.

Mystic Mock
06-10-2022, 04:13 PM
Personally I don't think that 16 year olds are old enough to know if they're Trans or not.

GoldHeart
06-10-2022, 04:17 PM
Personally I don't think that 16 year olds are old enough to know if they're Trans or not.

I agree
They should wait till 18 at least .

Mystic Mock
06-10-2022, 04:20 PM
I agree
They should wait till 18 at least .

I agree with you on 18.

I know that it's only a couple of years difference, but at that age it does make a huge difference maturity wise.

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 10:35 AM
https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 10:51 AM
https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

The obsession with telling a woman to suck their private bits, they seriously need help . Grotesque.

Oliver_W
07-10-2022, 10:55 AM
https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Quite. There's never been any proof of actual transpobia from Rowling.

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 10:56 AM
The obsession with telling a woman to suck their private bits, they seriously need help . Grotesque.

Yeah I mean those responses are literally proving JK Rowlings points for her........

Swan
07-10-2022, 11:08 AM
https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Shutting down the debate in that manner is typical of people who spout acceptance for all, just as long as you agree with them on everything. It's the opposite of liberation. That they don't see how badly they come across is truly horrifying. Worst still, the authorities at be pander to these people.

They have nothing constructive to add, so they react with abuse and tantrums. Having meltdowns whilst calling others "snowflakes" and high fiveing. The irony would be funny if it wasn't so toxic and vicious.

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 11:44 AM
Shutting down the debate in that manner is typical of people who spout acceptance for all, just as long as you agree with them on everything. It's the opposite of liberation. That they don't see how badly they come across is truly horrifying. Worst still, the authorities at be pander to these people.

They have nothing constructive to add, so they react with abuse and tantrums. Having meltdowns whilst calling others "snowflakes" and high fiveing. The irony would be funny if it wasn't so toxic and vicious.

It's actually disturbing how toxic it is , there's zero coherence. Some of these insane weirdos have actually tried to dox JK Rowling's address aswell !.

None of them can have a proper debate, it's just constant vulgar abuse . There's alot of jumping on the bandwagon aswell.

It takes a hardcore republican like Blaire White to actually talk common sense . She's a trans person who is against all this nonsense. I find myself agreeing with her alot ,and I'm left wing :facepalm: .

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Crimson Dynamo
07-10-2022, 12:01 PM
When people think that they are so right and cant be wrong it leads to the extreme fringes of that group resorting to terror

and it starts with group-think name calling and slurs...

Cherie
07-10-2022, 12:39 PM
https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

all very reasonable tweets, I can't see one reasonable response yet we are supposed to let people who post stuff like this into women only spaces, and I know some of these are women who really need to take a look at themselves

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 02:00 PM
It's actually disturbing how toxic it is , there's zero coherence. Some of these insane weirdos have actually tried to dox JK Rowling's address aswell !.

None of them can have a proper debate, it's just constant vulgar abuse . There's alot of jumping on the bandwagon aswell.

It takes a hardcore republican like Blaire White to actually talk common sense . She's a trans person who is against all this nonsense. I find myself agreeing with her alot ,and I'm left wing :facepalm: .

No4bzN3rKvc

Love Blair, she's great. I feel bad for her though because it's actual trans people like Blair who will end up suffering because of the whole TRA movement and she knows it too

Liam-
07-10-2022, 02:02 PM
Personally I don't think that 16 year olds are old enough to know if they're Trans or not.

I agree
They should wait till 18 at least .

Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

Oliver_W
07-10-2022, 02:09 PM
Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

:joker:

Being trans-identifying isn't the same as having a same sex attraction.

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 02:13 PM
Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

I think you know the difference here Liam, the issue is the medicalisation and being able to consent to putting yourself on that pathway that may leave you infertile, without sexual function and a host of other serious issues (early onset menopause, osteoporosis etc), comparing being gay which is who you are attracted to, to committing to transitioning are worlds a part, trying to act like they're similar is both disingenuous and quite frankly dangerous.

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 02:13 PM
Love Blair, she's great. I feel bad for her though because it's actual trans people like Blair who will end up suffering because of the whole TRA movement and she knows it too

Yeah it's basically making the community look bad , because people will tar them with the same brush... & assume all "trans folk" behave this way . It's really damaging.

There's a trans man on YouTube aswell who talks alot of sense on this topic too . He can see the foolery.
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Liam-
07-10-2022, 02:18 PM
I think you know the difference here Liam, the issue is the medicalisation and being able to consent to putting yourself on that pathway that may leave you infertile, without sexual function and a host of other serious issues (early onset menopause, osteoporosis etc), comparing being gay which is who you are attracted to, to committing to transitioning are worlds a part, trying to act like they're similar is both disingenuous and quite frankly dangerous.

I’m referring purely to the stupidity of stating that a 16 year old isn’t old enough to know who and what they are, speak to any lgbt person and the vast majority of them will tell you that’s complete rubbish

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 02:21 PM
I’m referring purely about the stupidity of stating that a 16 year old isn’t old enough to know who and what they are, speak to any lgbt person and the vast majority of of them will tell you that’s complete rubbish

Ok, I took it to mean that they should wait until they are over 18 to be able to consent to putting themselves on a life long path of medicalisation and to really understand the consequences of that.

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 02:25 PM
Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

Liam don't be silly , that's not even the same thing.

Gay people do not go through gender reassignment, if they're just gay . Also dressing up a certain way is different , to actually taking puberty blockers & having medical surgery.

Medically making & letting a child go through gender reassignment is wrong . Once it's been done that's it. Think of the consequences.

Liam-
07-10-2022, 02:28 PM
Ok, I took it to mean that they should wait until they are over 18 to be able to consent to putting themselves on a life long path of medicalisation and to really understand the consequences of that.

That’s not even close to what was said

Liam-
07-10-2022, 02:33 PM
Liam don't be silly , that's not even the same thing.

Gay people do not go through gender reassignment, if they're just gay . Also dressing up a certain way is different , to actually taking puberty blockers & having medical surgery.

Medically making & letting a child go through gender reassignment is wrong . Once it's been done that's it. Think of the consequences.

16 year old are legally allowed to make their own medical decisions, you agreed that 16 year olds aren’t old enough to know what and who they are, that’s rubbish, you probably knew who you were at 16, I knew who I was at 16, to tell teenagers that they’re just confused when they know they’re not and that they have no right to make decisions about themselves, is damaging and can lead to all sorts of issues, as studies have proven time and time again.

It’s like people would rather young people be depressed, suicidal or dead than be trans and it’s a truly sad state of affairs to see the complete lack of compassion, empathy and understanding towards people that are already facing hardships just because of who they are

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 02:35 PM
That’s not even close to what was said

Gender argument aside ,how many of us truly knew what we wanted to be at 16 ? .

I understand 16 can be a bit of a grey area,as legally you can do a few things at age 16 ie have sex etc . I don't agree with that either.

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 02:37 PM
16 year old are legally allowed to make their own medical decisions, you agreed that 16 year olds aren’t old enough to know what and who they are, that’s rubbish, you probably knew who you were at 16, I knew who I was at 16, to tell teenagers that they’re just confused when they know they’re not and that they have no right to make decisions about themselves, is damaging and can lead to all sorts of issues, as studies have proven time and time again.

It’s like people would rather young people be depressed, suicidal or dead than be trans and it’s a truly sad state of affairs to see the complete lack of compassion, empathy and understanding towards people that are already facing hardships just because of who they are

16 is nowhere near old enough to decide that you want remove any chance of having a baby or deciding you're OK with having no or diminished sexual function. This isn't ordinary medical decisions made to heal or help your body, these are body alterations that will make your body function less well and carry massive risks

Cherie
07-10-2022, 02:39 PM
You can't vote or drive until you are 18, yet people thing some 16 year olds are capable of making life changing decisions, it's one thing to experiment sexually, no harm done, completely another to take medication that can be detrimental to your development

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 02:45 PM
16 year old are legally allowed to make their own medical decisions, you agreed that 16 year olds aren’t old enough to know what and who they are, that’s rubbish, you probably knew who you were at 16, I knew who I was at 16, to tell teenagers that they’re just confused when they know they’re not and that they have no right to make decisions about themselves, is damaging and can lead to all sorts of issues, as studies have proven time and time again.

It’s like people would rather young people be depressed, suicidal or dead than be trans and it’s a truly sad state of affairs to see the complete lack of compassion, empathy and understanding towards people that are already facing hardships just because of who they are


Like I said I also disagree with 16 being the consent age for sex, I will say though that a 16 year old transitioning is less crazy than a 10 year old ,imo that's child abuse .

The way I see it , at 16 you can live as the gender you want to be . But I personally don't think they should get medical surgery or hormones until 18 :shrug: & I will always have that view. Plus it's important to mention aswell that it isn't just about how the child feels, they need to be diagnosed with 'Gender dysphoria ' which is the whole point.

And there has been cases of people regretting the gender surgery , and it's affected them psychologically. People need to be 100% sure , before making such a big decision.

Liam-
07-10-2022, 02:45 PM
Having an abortion carries a chance of affecting future fertility too, you gonna tell a 16 year old that she can’t get abortion? Are you only against medical choices that lead to lifestyles you don’t agree with?

Liam-
07-10-2022, 02:45 PM
Having an abortion carries a chance of affecting future fertility too, you gonna tell a 16 year old that she can’t get an abortion if that what she chooses to do? Or are you only against medical choices that lead to lifestyles you don’t agree with?

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 02:53 PM
Having an abortion carries a chance of affecting future fertility too, you gonna tell a 16 year old that she can’t get an abortion if that what she chooses to do? Or are you only against medical choices that lead to lifestyles you don’t agree with?

That's cool bring up the heavy abortion argument, but we all know many women out there will emotionally still be affected by it ,even if they feel it was the right decision. There is no way they will just carry on & not psychologically feel a certain type of way , because again it's a life changing decision.

And you know very well there's people against abortion , I personally think it's a woman's choice however they could also let the child be adopted. But I understand that if a woman has been raped , then the pregnancy will be far too traumatic to go through on top of that.

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 02:54 PM
Having an abortion carries a chance of affecting future fertility too, you gonna tell a 16 year old that she can’t get abortion? Are you only against medical choices that lead to lifestyles you don’t agree with?

And loss of or no sexual function, you OK with a 16 year old deciding that?


And no obviously I wouldn't tell a 16 year old they couldn't have an abortion but they are two completely different things and risk of infertility due to abortion is low, where as it's pretty much guaranteed with sex reassignment surgery.

Anyway, I honestly can't be arsed arguing with a person who thinks a 16 year old consenting to all of this is A-OK. Maybe educate yourself on the very common complications after surgery and side effects of puberty blockers and on detransitioners

Niamh.
07-10-2022, 02:56 PM
PS "lifestyles I don't agree with" I couldn't care less what people do with their lives as long as it doesn't clash with other peoples rights or it harms children

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 03:04 PM
PS "lifestyles I don't agree with" I couldn't care less what people do with their lives as long as it doesn't clash with other peoples rights or it harms children

Exactly
Plus why can't a 16 year old wait another 2 years ?, If they're 100% sure they want to transition then what's another 2 years. In that time they should be diagnosed as having 'gender dysphoria ' , and they could experiment & actually see if they want to permanently live as the opposite sex . But they shouldn't go down the medically route until 18 . This is a huge decision after all.

Cherie
07-10-2022, 03:09 PM
I couldnt care less about how people live their lives, why do you think anyone cares what consenting adults get up to...:laugh: unless of course if it impinges on hard fought rights

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 04:32 PM
Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

How is that the same thing?

One is your sexuality, the other is an operation that the child might regret once they become an adult.

Liam-
07-10-2022, 04:36 PM
You’re not allowed to have the sex change operation if you’re under 18 anyway, unless you go to one of these dodgy places that has no rules for things like that

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 04:36 PM
I’m referring purely to the stupidity of stating that a 16 year old isn’t old enough to know who and what they are, speak to any lgbt person and the vast majority of them will tell you that’s complete rubbish

16 is very young to know if you're Transgender imo.

I personally think that adults are normally in a better position to know if they're Transgender.

Liam-
07-10-2022, 04:36 PM
You’re not allowed to have the sex change operation if you’re under 18 anyway, unless you go to one of these dodgy places that has no rules for things like that

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 04:42 PM
That’s not even close to what was said

You're actually wrong, I think that you need to read my post again because I don't get what you've taken from "16 is too young" and me agreeing with GoldHeart about "18 being the legal age" for the option for people to become Transgender to be open.

Honestly before being self-righteous, read other people's posts before saying things like this post you've wrote out here, because I'm sure that other members will agree with me that you've not read my post properly, or GoldHeart's.

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 04:45 PM
16 year old are legally allowed to make their own medical decisions, you agreed that 16 year olds aren’t old enough to know what and who they are, that’s rubbish, you probably knew who you were at 16, I knew who I was at 16, to tell teenagers that they’re just confused when they know they’re not and that they have no right to make decisions about themselves, is damaging and can lead to all sorts of issues, as studies have proven time and time again.

It’s like people would rather young people be depressed, suicidal or dead than be trans and it’s a truly sad state of affairs to see the complete lack of compassion, empathy and understanding towards people that are already facing hardships just because of who they are

Nobody is saying that a 16 year old can't feel Transgender or unofficially even see themselves that way if they wish.

But I honestly believe that by the time you're 18 years old you are normally more confident about who you really are, and that's when the Transgender operation should be possible to anyone that wants it.

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 04:48 PM
Having an abortion carries a chance of affecting future fertility too, you gonna tell a 16 year old that she can’t get an abortion if that what she chooses to do? Or are you only against medical choices that lead to lifestyles you don’t agree with?

I'm not a woman so it's not really my place to really say anything.

But if you force my hand, I prefer children be put up for adoption if the Mother doesn't want the child.

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 04:51 PM
You’re not allowed to have the sex change operation if you’re under 18 anyway, unless you go to one of these dodgy places that has no rules for things like that

But we both know that there are extremist groups trying to lower the age of when the operation can be performed.

bots
07-10-2022, 04:53 PM
16 is the age of consent in the UK, that's a legal entitlement, so saying someone should be 18 to consent is legally wrong and an infringement on an individuals rights

Liam-
07-10-2022, 05:00 PM
You're actually wrong, I think that you need to read my post again because I don't get what you've taken from "16 is too young" and me agreeing with GoldHeart about "18 being the legal age" for the option for people to become Transgender to be open.

Honestly before being self-righteous, read other people's posts before saying things like this post you've wrote out here, because I'm sure that other members will agree with me that you've not read my post properly, or GoldHeart's.

This is literally what you said

Personally I don't think that 16 year olds are old enough to know if they're Trans or not.

And it’s what I replied to, it’s completely disingenuous to suggest that just because someone is 16, they don’t know who or what they are, that’s what I took exception to, because it’s factually incorrect, so I wasn’t being self-righteous, I was disagreeing with a point you very clearly made

Liam-
07-10-2022, 05:03 PM
But we both know that there are extremist groups trying to lower the age of when the operation can be performed.

Are there? I haven’t seen anyone advocate for the surgery age being dropped, but let’s say it was dropped to 16, so what? You’re legally allowed to consent to surgeries at that age and nobody is just given a sex change operation at the drop of a hat, it takes years of therapy and consultations to make sure someone is truly ready for it, it’s not like going to the apple shop and buying a phone like people pretend it is to push their agenda

Liam-
07-10-2022, 05:06 PM
16 is the age of consent in the UK, that's a legal entitlement, so saying someone should be 18 to consent is legally wrong and an infringement on an individuals rights

That’s what it all boils down to though, there are people involved in the campaign that don’t want trans people to have rights and the opportunity to be who they are, it’s why the goalposts are constantly shifted in the argument, because nothing will ever be good enough for them until trans people are banned from society all together

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 05:12 PM
Are there? I haven’t seen anyone advocate for the surgery age being dropped, but let’s say it was dropped to 16, so what? You’re legally allowed to consent to surgeries at that age and nobody is just given a sex change operation at the drop of a hat, it takes years of therapy and consultations to make sure someone is truly ready for it, it’s not like going to the apple shop and buying a phone like people pretend it is to push their agenda

How do you feel about kids aged 5 to 12 being called 'Transgender' ? ,When they're still children? . I don't know about you ..but I think most children that age want to be a marvel superhero or pepper pig or something , they're not thinking about being born as the wrong gender.

As for the 16 being legal age , it's different for a 16 year old to say they feel like a different gender, than to physically go through hormones and surgery. Don't you understand that it's a life altering thing? . I still think a 16 year old should wait till they're 18 before fully transitioning.

Liam-
07-10-2022, 05:28 PM
How do you feel about kids aged 5 to 12 being called 'Transgender' ? ,When they're still children? . I don't know about you ..but I think most children that age want to be a marvel superhero or pepper pig or something , they're not thinking about being born as the wrong gender.

As for the 16 being legal age , it's different for a 16 year old to say they feel like a different gender, than to physically go through hormones and surgery. Don't you understand that it's a life altering thing? . I still think a 16 year old should wait till they're 18 before fully transitioning.

Well you’ve just answered your own question there haven’t you ‘most children aren’t thinking about being born as the wrong gender’ there are some children who do feel the affects or being transgender that young, how do I feel about them being called transgender? I’m not sure, it could be a bit early to stick a definitive label on it, do I think it’s any more weird than young children being called things like ‘future lady killer’ or heartbreakers? Or people saying that kids will have to be beating people off with a stick when they’re older? That’s a lot weirder and is blatant sexualising it’s children, but the majority of people don’t seem to have a problem with that.

Of course it’s a life altering thing, that’s the whole point and as long as someone is legal age to consent to a surgery and medication and they fully understand the risks and the benefits and all potential outcomes it’s not up to anybody else to tell them what they can and can’t do with their bodies, I thought we were against policing people’s autonomy?

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 07:13 PM
This is literally what you said



And it’s what I replied to, it’s completely disingenuous to suggest that just because someone is 16, they don’t know who or what they are, that’s what I took exception to, because it’s factually incorrect, so I wasn’t being self-righteous, I was disagreeing with a point you very clearly made

Me and GoldHeart did also say about how the legal age should be 18, which Niamh also saw the posts that me and GoldHeart had made about that, yet you denied that we had said that, which you was wrong because it was a point that I very clearly made as you put it.

Fair enough if you don't agree with my opinion on the topic, but it's very clear from the other posts that I've made on this thread what I meant, trying to claim otherwise would be disingenuous on your part.

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 07:16 PM
That’s what it all boils down to though, there are people involved in the campaign that don’t want trans people to have rights and the opportunity to be who they are, it’s why the goalposts are constantly shifted in the argument, because nothing will ever be good enough for them until trans people are banned from society all together

That is certainly not my agenda.

I know there are people that have that particular agenda, but for me I just feel like you have to 100% know that you're Transgender, and for me the older the better in that sense.

Speaking for myself I would never support the Trans community being banished from society.

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 07:21 PM
Well you’ve just answered your own question there haven’t you ‘most children aren’t thinking about being born as the wrong gender’ there are some children who do feel the affects or being transgender that young, how do I feel about them being called transgender? I’m not sure, it could be a bit early to stick a definitive label on it, do I think it’s any more weird than young children being called things like ‘future lady killer’ or heartbreakers? Or people saying that kids will have to be beating people off with a stick when they’re older? That’s a lot weirder and is blatant sexualising it’s children, but the majority of people don’t seem to have a problem with that.

Of course it’s a life altering thing, that’s the whole point and as long as someone is legal age to consent to a surgery and medication and they fully understand the risks and the benefits and all potential outcomes it’s not up to anybody else to tell them what they can and can’t do with their bodies, I thought we were against policing people’s autonomy?

I think GoldHeart's point (and I agree with her) is that 16 year olds aren't mature enough to fully understand the risks and benefits, regardless of what the UK law says.

GoldHeart
07-10-2022, 07:26 PM
I think GoldHeart's point (and I agree with her) is that 16 year olds aren't mature enough to fully understand the risks and benefits, regardless of what the UK law says.

Exactly
:clap1:

And whether people want to admit it or not ,there is little kids out there being called "Transgender", because it's being forced / pushed on them . Like I said 16 isn't as bad as 5 ,but a 16 year old might still change their mind &..... not actually want to go through the medically procedure of transitioning.

Oliver_W
07-10-2022, 07:32 PM
We seem to have drifted away from the point - that too much legal and social recognition of trans identities erodes women's rights. Whether or not kids should take pointless medications is a different discussion.

Cherie
07-10-2022, 08:33 PM
16 is the age of consent in the UK, that's a legal entitlement, so saying someone should be 18 to consent is legally wrong and an infringement on an individuals rights

I don’t believe 16 is the age of consent medically as patients are still classed as a child and put in a children’s ward up to age 18

Mystic Mock
07-10-2022, 09:03 PM
We seem to have drifted away from the point - that too much legal and social recognition of trans identities erodes women's rights. Whether or not kids should take pointless medications is a different discussion.

That is definitely a tricky debate because whilst I agree with you that women's rights need to be upheld, we also can't infringe upon Trans rights either.

Tbh I really don't have the answers to solve that particular issue, but tbh I doubt that our Politicians necessarily do either.

And to Liam, I do apologize btw, I shouldn't have been calling you "self-righteous" and in general getting too worked up over this discussion.

Oliver_W
08-10-2022, 07:30 AM
That is definitely a tricky debate because whilst I agree with you that women's rights need to be upheld, we also can't infringe upon Trans rights either.

Transpeople and women should both have the same rights to single sex spaces, which would mean transwomen going with the other males :shrug: half the population are women, while like half of a percentage of people are transwomen ... Who should be given priority?

GoldHeart
08-10-2022, 12:26 PM
Transpeople and women should both have the same rights to single sex spaces, which would mean transwomen going with the other males :shrug: half the population are women, while like half of a percentage of people are transwomen ... Who should be given priority?

The issue isn't Trans women sharing women's spaces, I'm Pretty sure a few of us women have already shared public bathrooms etc with them . The issue is disgusting predators taking advantage of this, the average trans woman or even trans man will most likely be in & out a space without you even noticing .

I doubt they'd want to draw attention to themselves,as they're just getting on with things.

But the problem is any idiot these days can put on an outfit & a wig and claim they're "trans". And we're meant to just say "ok that's great" .

This has been proven time and time again that these weirdos will hide behind the trans card ....to take advantage of the system. We're seeing it in prisons aswell, when sickos are being put in women's prisons and getting them pregnant!.

Some of these so called "trans women" aren't even registered as female and they've made very little effort to transition , they've literally just decided that's what they want to be identified as. There's no proper assessment or concerns for the safety of other women.

Cherie
08-10-2022, 12:32 PM
The issue isn't Trans women sharing women's spaces, I'm Pretty sure a few of us women have already shared public bathrooms etc with them . The issue is disgusting predators taking advantage of this, the average trans woman or even trans man will most likely be in & out a space without you even noticing .

I doubt they'd want to draw attention to themselves,as they're just getting on with things.

But the problem is any idiot these days can put on an outfit & a wig and claim they're "trans". And we're meant to just say "ok that's great" .

This has been proven time and time again that these weirdos will hide behind the trans card ....to take advantage of the system. We're seeing it in prisons aswell, when sickos are being put in women's prisons and getting them pregnant!.

Some of these so called "trans women" aren't even registered as female and they've made very little effort to transition , they've literally just decided that's what they want to be identified as. There's no proper assessment or concerns for the safety of other women.

Great post Goldie, Primark backtracking over communal changing rooms for all just shows how quickly the idea of getting into a changing room with women purely to harass them took off, yet we were told that would never happen TERF