England Nurses Strikes 7th Feb, March 1st (48 Hour) Strike

[arista]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/06/nurses-across-uk-to-vote-in-first-ever-rcn-strike-ballot-over-pay

[Hundreds of thousands of nurses across
the UK are to be balloted about going
on strike in a move that risks disrupting
the NHS this winter.

For the first time in its 106-year history the
Royal College of Nursing (RCN)
is balloting 300,000 of its members
about strike action and recommending
that they vote in favour.]


Truss give them a pay rise

[Mystic Mock]

We need to Truss that she'll sort this out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They did not lose any pay during the pandemic?

[UserSince2005]

They wont be missed haha they dont do any work when they do bother to show up.

[smudgie]

All nurses, hospital workers and ambulance staff should be given a decent pay rise.
Hubby came home after 2 nights in hospital last night, he fell off his bike and had consultants, nurses, doctors attending him, amazing people.
I fell and broke my arm 7 weeks ago, again, everyone was brilliant.
Phlebotomist, nurses, on home visits.
I am down for my flu jab and covid booster to be done at home as well.
Absolutely fantastic NHS we have, now the government just need to appreciate them all and pay them a decent wage.

[joeysteele]

I support them wholeheartedly.

This government has treated them really badly both during and after the pandemic.

Give them a proper and worthwhile pay increase and invest properly in the NHS too.

[arista]

Truss in Prague
said they are getting £1,400 rise

[Press release
NHS staff to receive pay rise

[Government today accepts recommendations
in full from the independent NHS pay review bodies
Over one million NHS staff – including nurses,
paramedics and midwives – to get a pay rise
of at least £1,400 with lowest earners
to receive up to 9.3%]


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-staff-to-receive-pay-rise

[arista]

They wont be missed haha they dont do any work when they do bother to show up.


Thats not true,
they are keeping people alive.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

They wont be missed haha they dont do any work when they do bother to show up.

I disagree with you on that.

Without going into details, I've personally seen Nurses do a lot of work at a Hospital, some things that I wouldn't want to do.

[joeysteele]

I disagree with you on that.

Without going into details, I've personally seen Nurses do a lot of work at a Hospital, some things that I wouldn't want to do.

It's really sad the Nurses have been pushed to this point.
It's not what they want to do.

However this shambles of a government pay lip service only to the Nurses and indeed all staff in the NHS.

They should be given more recognition for ALL their efforts both during and after the pandemic.
However Nurses have been undervalued by this particular lot in power at present.
I would fully support the Nurses.
They will be saddened themselves to even have had to think of striking never mind doing so.

I wish them total success in their battle now.
Much more respect by action is due for Nurses and all NHS staff, not the deceitful lip service this government gives them only.
Labour too though needs to really step up too and support them also with promised action to address their issues, if they win power.

[bots]

i wouldn't be here now without the wonderful NHS nurses that have looked after me this last year, so i will be supporting them all the way

[Gusto Brunt]

Leave the guy with the broken leg on the stretcher. 'we're on strike'.

[Mystic Mock]

It's really sad the Nurses have been pushed to this point.
It's not what they want to do.

However this shambles of a government pay lip service only to the Nurses and indeed all staff in the NHS.

They should be given more recognition for ALL their efforts both during and after the pandemic.
However Nurses have been undervalued by this particular lot in power at present.
I would fully support the Nurses.
They will be saddened themselves to even have had to think of striking never mind doing so.

I wish them total success in their battle now.
Much more respect by action is due for Nurses and all NHS staff, not the deceitful lip service this government gives them only.
Labour too though needs to really step up too and support them also with promised action to address their issues, if they win power.

I agree with you 100% Joey.

[Mystic Mock]

i wouldn't be here now without the wonderful NHS nurses that have looked after me this last year, so i will be supporting them all the way

And helping a TIBB member out is always a bonus.:dance:

Seriously though I'm glad you're okay.

[Vanessa]

I can't believe they never got a pay rise.
We usually get one every year.

[Zizu]

I can't believe they never got a pay rise.
We usually get one every year.


Especially after all they endured thoughout those desperate , early Covid years !


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[arista]

[Nurses on brink of first Ever
walk-out in row over pay:
Union demands 17% pay rise for 300k members
as strike ballots open today - amid fears action
could see thousands of NHS ops axed]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/05/18/62080359-11181547-image-a-12_1662399047952.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11283965/Nurses-start-voting-strikes-Royal-College-says-demands-17-pay-rise.html


The Health Secretary
stated today
the Government can not afford 17%.

[The Slim Reaper]

Were Tories clapping, not enough for them?

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

A Nurse is all Nurses?

The hard left Daily Mirror trolling its tiny readership for likes

a disgrace to journalism and desperation for a failing business about to go bust

:facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

A Nurse is all Nurses?

The hard left Daily Mirror trolling its tiny readership for likes

a disgrace to journalism and desperation for a failing business about to go bust

:facepalm:

Let's be honest though, does the story sound like a lie?

[arista]

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[arista]

Sky Text:
[The NHS faces disruption on an historic scale,
The Times says, following the news that nurses will
strike across the UK.]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Let's be honest though, does the story sound like a lie?

yes its a typical tabloid bull**** troll aimed at gullible ill-informed readers

[Mystic Mock]

yes its a typical tabloid bull**** troll aimed at gullible ill-informed readers

It's not exactly the first time either Tories or Labour have mistreated NHS staff though is it?

Hopefully for once the Tories don't be stubborn and just backdown from the mistreatment of the NHS workers.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/09/23/64385465-0-image-m-12_1668036280176.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11409865/Is-hospital-set-affected-nurses-strikes-Map-reveals-impacted-trusts.html

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11411659/NHS-strike-chaos-SIX-MONTHS-begin-Christmas.html

[Vanessa]

They definitely deserve a raise.
I'm on minimum wage and get a raise regularly. So I don't see why they can't.

[joeysteele]

I'm 100% supporting all the Nurses who may strike.

This government has treated them like mess on their shoes.
Disgraceful.

I hope they get a good result.

[Quantum Boy]

A big part of the issue with this is because 17% looks so big, but it's being taken in the context of it being a year-on-year sudden request for a large pay rise. Nurses have had a real-terms 20% loss of pay over the last decade due to various pay freezes and insufficient raises in previous years... leading to a sad situation where even with a 17% increase a nurse in 2023 will be significantly worse off than a nurse in 2012.

Another large part of the issue is that with there being large (and ongoing) minimum wage rises - obviously a good thing - the lack of raises for skilled staff becomes a major issue. Starting hourly rate for a nurse who has undergone years of training and taken on tens of thousands in student debt is now barely more than they'd make at Tesco or McDonalds... where all they have to worry about at the end of the day is keeping shelves stocked and putting ketchup on burgers. Having people doing a job where people's physical and mental wellbeing and ultimately their lives are in their hands, for a few £ more a month than they'd make in any minimum wage job, is madness.

It's not just about people being "literally on the breadline" - it's about accepting that trained and experienced medical staff should be paid accordingly, and not be expected to be happy that they get a couple of quid an hour more than Billy at B&M bargains. And less than Billy's manager.

[smudgie]

A big part of the issue with this is because 17% looks so big, but it's being taken in the context of it being a year-on-year sudden request for a large pay rise. Nurses have had a real-terms 20% loss of pay over the last decade due to various pay freezes and insufficient raises in previous years... leading to a sad situation where even with a 17% increase a nurse in 2023 will be significantly worse off than a nurse in 2012.

Another large part of the issue is that with there being large (and ongoing) minimum wage rises - obviously a good thing - the lack of raises for skilled staff becomes a major issue. Starting hourly rate for a nurse who has undergone years of training and taken on tens of thousands in student debt is now barely more than they'd make at Tesco or McDonalds... where all they have to worry about at the end of the day is keeping shelves stocked and putting ketchup on burgers. Having people doing a job where people's physical and mental wellbeing and ultimately their lives are in their hands, for a few £ more a month than they'd make in any minimum wage job, is madness.

It's not just about people being "literally on the breadline" - it's about accepting that trained and experienced medical staff should be paid accordingly, and not be expected to be happy that they get a couple of quid an hour more than Billy at B&M bargains. And less than Billy's manager.

Totally agree with all you have said.
We can’t afford not to respect those people that save lives and work so hard.

[bots]

most common, decent folk know that the health service needs a serious salary bump, it's about time the same folk tell the government to stop laying the guilt on NHS staff for simply expecting a reasonable salary

[Kazanne]

I have a friend who is a nurse and she has said to me that nurses are not underpaid and not to believe the tabloid hysterical headlines, which I don't anyway, it's more to do with the wastage and mismanagement of the fat cats at the top, one example she gave was a CPAP machines which cost £600 and some are never returned that's is just one example, the waste is huge , so as much as I think they should be looked after and paid a decent wage I don't think it's as bad as the tabloid fodder is feeding people, but that's what they do so well and some just go along believing it. As for strikes it's a no from me as isn't it a vocation ? and people should come before money, IF people die because of it then they can't complain about the government's handling of the pandemic where people died.

[Quantum Boy]

I have a friend who is a nurse and she has said to me that nurses are not underpaid and not to believe the tabloid hysterical headlines, which I don't anyway, it's more to do with the wastage and mismanagement of the fat cats at the top, one example she gave was a CPAP machines which cost £600 and some are never returned that's is just one example, the waste is huge , so as much as I think they should be looked after and paid a decent wage I don't think it's as bad as the tabloid fodder is feeding people, but that's what they do so well and some just go along believing it. As for strikes it's a no from me as isn't it a vocation ? and people should come before money, IF people die because of it then they can't complain about the government's handling of the pandemic where people died.

This is the sort of daft mindset that has nurses painted as selfless angels who would happily do it for free and live in a box. It's a skilled medical profession that involves a degree and years of training, and with a level of responsibility and risk management that the vast majority of people will NEVER experience in their career. The pay should reflect those facts, it's not about nurses being "literally starving", it shouldn't be a race to the bottom where everyone accepts poor wages for themselves "because other people have low wages too".

McDonald's is now paying £11/hour to 18 year olds straight out of school, nursing graduates with thousands of hours of training requirements and tens of thousands in student debt required to become nurses start on £13.50 an hour. It's shameful. And it's happened BECAUSE nurses have always been hesitant to push for more, because so many put patient safety above their own wellbeing and above being respected as a workforce. And the government knows that. It's simply gross.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of other professions that are underpaid too - but this mindset of "I get paid a crap salary so why should you get more than me?" is exacty what the Tories love to see. Everyone depserately pulling each other down because they don't want to see others getting more if they aren't getting it themselves.

[Quantum Boy]

IF people die because of it then they can't complain about the government's handling of the pandemic where people died.

Just to add that if (more) people die then they and everyone absolutely can and should complain about the government because they'll be to blame three times over;

1) Under-funding the NHS for a decade and stripping back salaries leading healthcare to where it is now; dangerously understaffed and losing more by the day.

2) Mishandling the pandemic.

3) Mishandling the pay dispute.


The government is to blame for all three. We can all complain 3x as much. Not less.

[Livia]

The average nurse earns around £35k a year. If you earn that salary and have to use a food bank, you may need help with organising your finances.

[Quantum Boy]

The average nurse earns around £35k a year. If you earn that salary and have to use a food bank, you may need help with organising your finances.

Again it's not about needing to use food banks it's about the pay being appropriate to the level of training, expertise and risk management and the fact that it's been devalued by 20% in a decade due to pay freezes. You could say the same about literally any job or career and cut the salary to £30k "because it's enough to get by so stop complaining".

If people can earn just as much doing something that requires less training and is less draining physically and emptionally, then they will. And they are, in increasing numbers. They can't fill the roles... the profession isn't attractive and for good reason. And people are dying because health services are critically understaffed. And because the tactic for filling the void is currently to replace skilled nurses with more and more unskilled healthcare assistants and "nursing associates" and nurses trained overseas who (sorry for the lack of PC here) are simply not trained or competent to the same standard. The cost is lives, it's that simple. Kazanne claims lives are more important than money - apparently not. The government will happily trade lives for a lower payroll.

[joeysteele]

This is the sort of daft mindset that has nurses painted as selfless angels who would happily do it for free and live in a box. It's a skilled medical profession that involves a degree and years of training, and with a level of responsibility and risk management that the vast majority of people will NEVER experience in their career. The pay should reflect those facts, it's not about nurses being "literally starving", it shouldn't be a race to the bottom where everyone accepts poor wages for themselves "because other people have low wages too".

McDonald's is now paying £11/hour to 18 year olds straight out of school, nursing graduates with thousands of hours of training requirements and tens of thousands in student debt required to become nurses start on £13.50 an hour. It's shameful. And it's happened BECAUSE nurses have always been hesitant to push for more, because so many put patient safety above their own wellbeing and above being respected as a workforce. And the government knows that. It's simply gross.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of other professions that are underpaid too - but this mindset of "I get paid a crap salary so why should you get more than me?" is exacty what the Tories love to see. Everyone depserately pulling each other down because they don't want to see others getting more if they aren't getting it themselves.



I totally agree with all that.

The Nurses and indeed as with the Junior Doctors shocking treatment by Hunt when he was Health secretary.
Along with all the other NHS staff too will always have my full support.

Even moreso against hard-line Con thinking and continuous failure.

[Livia]

Again it's not about needing to use food banks it's about the pay being appropriate to the level of training, expertise and risk management and the fact that it's been devalued by 20% in a decade due to pay freezes. You could say the same about literally any job or career and cut the salary to £30k "because it's enough to get by so stop complaining".

If people can earn just as much doing something that requires less training and is less draining physically and emptionally, then they will. And they are, in increasing numbers. They can't fill the roles... the profession isn't attractive and for good reason. And people are dying because health services are critically understaffed. And because the tactic for filling the void is currently to replace skilled nurses with more and more unskilled healthcare assistants and "nursing associates" and nurses trained overseas who (sorry for the lack of PC here) are simply not trained or competent to the same standard. The cost is lives, it's that simple. Kazanne claims lives are more important than money - apparently not. The government will happily trade lives for a lower payroll.

Low pay in medical services isn't a new thing. Nurses used to be genuinely poorly paid but that he been addressed and addressed and should continue to be addressed where it applies. However, threatening to strike removes all of my sympathy for them and once the first death occurs during their industrial action their cause will be dead.

[Quantum Boy]

Low pay in medical services isn't a new thing. Nurses used to be genuinely poorly paid but that he been addressed and addressed and should continue to be addressed where it applies. However, threatening to strike removes all of my sympathy for them and once the first death occurs during their industrial action their cause will be dead.

It hasn't been taken lightly and is unprecedented, and one of the major reasons for trying so hard to drive meaningful change is that people within the whole medical profession understand all too well that the cost of not sorting it out, properly, and quickly, is going to be staff numbers continuing to drop, staff skills beginning to drop, patient safety being compromised further and ultimately FAR more deaths caused than will be caused by strike action. Unfortunately no the general public won't understand that as the reaction of the general public is just that - reactionary - and most won't see or understand the bigger picture.

So yes it will erode pubic sympathy but that doesn't mean the cause will be dead because frankly... public support and public sympathy isn't worth ****. They've had public support and public sympathy all along. It's worth pats on the back and clapping on the doorstep in the evening (so long as it isn't too cold). Meaningless platitudes. The nurses don't need the backing of the public for strike action to be successful... what the public thinks of it is largely irrelevant. It's too big a profession and too essential to particularly need public backing in industrial action.

Look at the dock workers unions in the US - they have amazing pay and rights. Why? Is it because the public supports their strike action? No it's because when they strike the docks shut down and trade grinds to a halt, money starts being lost immediately, and they can't be replaced with unskilled staff so the negotiations proceed very quickly and favourably. Public opinion is good to have on side but it isn't always a necessary part of leverage.

[arista]

Nurses have set their strike days
15th and 20th Dec


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63746334

[Gusto Brunt]

And that's a period in which there are a lot of accidents that require emmergency treatment.

Often involving booze. And fights. And alcohol poisoning.

But if you trip over in the street, after a Christmas boozy night out, just be prepared to lie face down in the snow for a very long time.:nono:

[Quantum Boy]

And that's a period in which there are a lot of accidents that require emmergency treatment.

Often involving booze. And fights. And alcohol poisoning.

But if you trip over in the street, after a Christmas boozy night out, just be prepared to lie face down in the snow for a very long time.:nono:

Emergency services like A&E aren't striking (they support and join the strike in spirit but it's been decided that they will continue to work for public safety). Obviously there's still going to be cover in things like intensive care units, neonatal units, etc.

[bots]

the other point is that none of the hospitals are striking in my area at all, it's very much a regional thing, so people may need to travel further, but plenty hospitals are running as normal

[Quantum Boy]

the other point is that none of the hospitals are striking in my area at all, it's very much a regional thing, so people may need to travel further, but plenty hospitals are running as normal

Regional and also by organisation; some unions may strike while others don't. Every region of Scotland voted to strike, though.

[UserSince2005]

Maybe they should think about working a whole year for free to repent for what that evil nurse did to all those children in manchester.
Have they thought about that?

[arista]

Health Secretary Steve Barclay
has met the Nurse Leader twice

But that was weeks back.

The Government will not go to this 19%

Steve has said his door is open
but the Nurse leader knows his views.


So those two 12 Hour Strikes are on track
for Thursday 15th Dec
and
Tuesday 20th Dec

[joeysteele]

Totally support them.

I still have family who work in nursing in the NHS and I've not really come across before how demoralised they are feeling now.

A few years ago 2 of my Cousins who were Doctors when Hunt was being ridiculous with the junior Doctors.
They left the UK to go abroad and work in health elsewhere.

The government whichever one was in really needs to come to appreciate and support the Nurses.
I wish them all the luck they need and success.
It's really bad and wrong they've felt pushed this far now.
Shocking.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Scottish Nurses
have stopped their Strikes.

Their Nurses in Scotland accepted 7.4% Pay Rise.

STV1HD news

[Quantum Boy]

Scottish Nurses
have stopped their Strikes.

Their Nurses in Scotland accepted 7.4% Pay Rise.

STV1HD news

This isn't really accurate arista - two unions (Unison and Unite) have accepted the pay deal; Unison is the largest union but that's mainly in the form of lower-band workers - not nurses. The RCN (nursing union) has agreed to suspend strike action while more discussions take place but they have not accepted the pay deal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

interesting nhs info there folks..

mods?

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[joeysteele]

Good luck to them.
I support them 100%

I do hope the day does come where they are genuinely valued and rewarded from whatever government runs the Country both the one in now and any there may be in the future.

[arista]

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[arista]

First Strike Day

They want 15%
the Northern Irish lady Union leader said last
night on NewsnightHD bbc2

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkA5VWWXEAIoywE?format=jpg&name=small

Totally accurate .

[arista]

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[Quantum Boy]

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They think they can use it to further the dismantling of the NHS (which is what they want) but apparently they think that if it all fails and they can truly move to privatisation, hundreds of thousands of private nurses will just suddenly pop into existence, like the private companies have them stored in a unit somewhere. It's the same nurses! They're going to implode the NHS and then their private buddies will set up, and find that there are no trained nurses left to hire.

Everyone I know who works in healthcare, if a freshed-faced young school leaver was to approach them and ask them what the best way to get into a healthcare career is, they would just say "the best thing to do is... don't do it."

Sad, sad situation.

[joeysteele]

They think they can use it to further the dismantling of the NHS (which is what they want) but apparently they think that if it all fails and they can truly move to privatisation, hundreds of thousands of private nurses will just suddenly pop into existence, like the private companies have them stored in a unit somewhere. It's the same nurses! They're going to implode the NHS and then their private buddies will set up, and find that there are no trained nurses left to hire.

Everyone I know who works in healthcare, if a freshed-faced young school leaver was to approach them and ask them what the best way to get into a healthcare career is, they would just say "the best thing to do is... don't do it."

Sad, sad situation.



Desperately sad situation this all is I agree completely.

[arista]

The independent pay review
was set in Feb.
Nurses say it is well out of date

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[PM Rishi Sunak Won't give NHS nurses extra cash
despite Tory pressure - as union
organising biggest ambulance
strike since the 1980s tells No10
it has five days to avert meltdown

Rishi Sunak today insisted 4% pay rise
offer for nurses is 'appropriate and fair'
Ministers are under mounting pressure
from their own MPs to resolve the strikes
Unions have*urged ministers to
'get into serious pay talks or see strike spread']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11546203/Rishi-Sunak-WONT-NHS-nurses-extra-cash-despite-Tory-pressure.html

[bots]

someone should ask Sunak how much his income has increased from his savings over the last year. See if he thinks thats fair and appropriate

[GiRTh]

Tories, in the summer, under the barely competent Liz Truss wanted to abolish the high rate of tax. If that's not bad enough, they were prepared to borrow, I repeat, to borrow to cover the clear deficit that would cause

This is what they were prepared to do for their rich friends.

Now they're saying there isnt enough money to give Nurses, Railway workers a few more quid. And in fact these municipal workers are being greedy and irresponsible to strike. Bollox. The quicker they are voted out the better for all.

I hope the strikes continue. I dont want to hear about the disruption. Its all misdirection. I want to know what the government are going to do about it

[arista]

"I hope the strikes continue."


Yes GiRTH
they have said even after the 20th Dec
Strikes will carry on in the New Year.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

This is shameful of the government to now decide to take on the Nurses.

I really hope the Nurses are successful in their totally justified aims both on pay and conditions .
They haven't wanted this.
Yet this shamful government can only set out to try to divide further.
Rather than act as a compassionate and just governnent should.

Really shameful.
Steven Barclay just comes across as both incompetent and negatively arrogant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1605232103037308932?s=20&t=U6ZWnredQt-lShYijVgFjQ

[arista]

18th and 19th Next month
More Nurse Strikes


Health Secretary Steve Barclay will talk
but Not on Pay

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Sky News Text:
[Thousands of vulnerable cancer patients
are being forced into a "financial lockdown"
because of the cost-of-living crisis.]

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[arista]

This was 2004


dd7ziJsnnvo


John on the Left, just
passed away.

2004 New Labour in Power

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Monday 6th and Tuesday 7th of Feb.

Nurses to Strike

[arista]

Ch4HDnews are live in Portadown
Northern Ireland

All the Beds are full
Many are in Ambulances

Of Course, there is no Northern Ireland Government.

It's the worst Healthcare in the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

google translate: unions call strike on behalf of nurses for political reasons

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[arista]

Nurses will Freeze
standing outside Hospitals
today

England and Wales Nurses on Strike.

[GoldHeart]

Country is literally collapsing

[Zizu]

Country is literally collapsing


Maybe soon if schools / colleges/ Unis have to close again !


We haven’t recovered from the last lot of home learning.. schools / pupil behaviour have declined dramatically after the Covid years .


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[bots]

welcome to the 80's everyone :laugh:

[arista]

Maybe soon if schools / colleges/ Unis have to close …




https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383923

Yes, they are to Strike

[Quantum Boy]

google translate: unions call strike on behalf of nurses for political reasons

Unions can't take strike action without a majority vote from its membership so that's a moot point. Any union member that doesn't want to strike is free to break the line, it's not enforced.

And please LT describe to us all an example of strike action that is not "for political reasons" :think:.

[joeysteele]

I fully support them.

Steve Barclay was useless in previous positions in the past how he's put in charge of Health at this time is unbelievably shocking judgement on Sunak's part.

Then again Sunak is only paying lip service to the NHS and nurses.
Plus too the Chancellor Hunt, who created chaos with his shocking handling of the junior Doctors dispute years back too when he was Health secretary.

I and I would think most people will be blaming the government for the divisiveness and stand offs in this legitimate dispute.
The government blaming everyone else rather than themselves after being the Party leading power of government for heading on to 13 years almost now.

I hope this is never forgotten for the cold hearted treatment to Nurses and other NHS staff by Sunak and his predecessors.since 2010.

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the problem at the moment is that neither side is prepared to compromise. They make noises, sure, but there is no mood for constructive dialog. It's the same situation in all the other strikes too. The only thing that can change that is time, so people need to be prepared for a long haul

[Quantum Boy]

the problem at the moment is that neither side is prepared to compromise. They make noises, sure, but there is no mood for constructive dialog. It's the same situation in all the other strikes too. The only thing that can change that is time, so people need to be prepared for a long haul

I don't see the unions refusing any offer that doesn't meet their full demands, that's not what's happening at all. What I do see is the government flat out refusing to enter meaningful negotiation AT ALL for the mostpart, and when they do, offering borderline offensive platitudes that come nowhere near the mark, like "how about a discount at the shops?"

Thing is they could probably offer MEANINGFUL non-salary compensation if they chose to in the current economic climate. Cut-price energy deals. Fuel discounts. Things that would actually have a meaningful impact on the monthly budget of NHS workers. Get imaginative.

They offer things like 5% off at Boots.

[arista]

I fully support them.

Steve Barclay was useless in previous positions in the past how he's put in charge of Health at this time is unbelievably shocking judgement on Sunak's part.

Then again Sunak is only paying lip service to the NHS and nurses.
Plus too the Chancellor Hunt, who created chaos with his shocking handling of the junior Doctors dispute years back too when he was Health secretary.

I and I would think most people will be blaming the government for the divisiveness and stand offs in this legitimate dispute.
The government blaming everyone else rather than themselves after being the Party leading power of government for heading on to 13 years almost now.

I hope this is never forgotten for the cold hearted treatment to Nurses and other NHS staff by Sunak and his predecessors.since 2010.


Yes Joey
Steve Barclay MP
was not on the TV AM news this morning


What is he scared?


He should have been on every news
telling us why they are stuck at a low level pay
reward

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I don't see the unions refusing any offer that doesn't meet their full demands, that's not what's happening at all. What I do see is the government flat out refusing to enter meaningful negotiation AT ALL for the mostpart, and when they do, offering borderline offensive platitudes that come nowhere near the mark, like "how about a discount at the shops?"

Thing is they could probably offer MEANINGFUL non-salary compensation if they chose to in the current economic climate. Cut-price energy deals. Fuel discounts. Things that would actually have a meaningful impact on the monthly budget of NHS workers. Get imaginative.

They offer things like 5% off at Boots.

i think you re missing the point, until the most belligerent side are willing to talk, there is no constructive dialog, and the only thing that can change that is time. For example, if the strikes last the remainder of this year, we start to get close to election season and the tories will all get jumpy again at impending disaster. You will be amazed at how much cash is suddenly found at that point

[Quantum Boy]

i think you re missing the point, until the most belligerent side are willing to talk, there is no constructive dialog, and the only thing that can change that is time. For example, if the strikes last the remainder of this year, we start to get close to election season and the tories will all get jumpy again at impending disaster. You will be amazed at how much cash is suddenly found at that point

The Tories have shown clear intent to make strike action legally impossible for medical services though with the "minimum safe staffing" rules. Every department is already under-staffed to the point of being unsafe, that's part of the reason for the strikes, so "minimum safe staffing" is meaningless. How many staff can these departments afford to lose during strike action and remain safe? None! They're not safe at the best of times, they're staffed by not-enough, too-tired staff and agency mercenaries who have no idea what they're doing.

Tories are simply trying to run down the clock until they can successfully remove the threat of legal strike action.

Frankly I hope if the tories succeed in this, there are simply mass staff walk-outs instead and people start dying in large numbers. I hope they all just quit. Every single member of the UK public who has put a tick next to a Tory name on a ballot has taken the health service for granted, and might actually realise that when it's gone. Though I doubt it... they'll still find a way to blame "greedy staff" and continue voting themselves into oblivion.

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6th of Feb

Both Nurses and Ambulances are on strike

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Ch4HDnews is in Wales

Labour Run NHS

Showed a lady in Extreme Pain
has been waiting for a year
for a Hip replacement.

[joeysteele]

Ch4HDnews is in Wales

Labour Run NHS

Showed a lady in Extreme Pain
has been waiting for a year
for a Hip replacement.


I know a lady who is still waiting 15 months and counting in England.

However quite why Labour in Wales is not doing better doesn't impress me at all.

It should be seen as criminal that governing powers allow anyone to be in pain for these lengths of time.
Just for the sake of replacement operations.

[arista]

Yes Covid has caused us such problems.


Let's see if Starmer, Labour can do better
next year

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nurses on average get 8K more than adult care staff

number of adult care staff on strike = 0

:skull:

[joeysteele]

Yes Covid has caused us such problems.


Let's see if Starmer, Labour can do better
next year

IF he does lead Labour to government then he'd better and he'll need to do loads better than Labour are in Wales too.

[Vanessa]

Nurses on average get 8K more than adult care staff

number of adult care staff on strike = 0

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Care staff definitely deserve a raise. They are amazing.
My sister is one and I'm so proud of her!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Care staff definitely deserve a raise. They are amazing.
My sister is one and I'm so proud of her!

Bang on right Ness. Over the last 10 years i have come in to contact with many of them and they are amazing people.

[arista]

Unite Union Secretary Sharon Graham
was Live on Ridge SkyNewsHD


On behalf of the NHS strikes
She stated clearly 10% Pay rise
is what Labour should say.

As all Labour MP's refuse to give a number.

[Quantum Boy]

Nurses on average get 8K more than adult care staff

number of adult care staff on strike = 0

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Its an unqualified position with no formal educational requirements, no professional registration, and (crucially) no level of professional responsibility if/when things go wrong.

I'm not disagreeing that care staff should be paid more, but pointing out that nurses earn significantly more than unregistered healthcare staff is pretty obvious. No one would train to be a nurse if they got paid just as much to be an HCA.

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First Time a 48hour Strike

1st March 2023
6AM

England only

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Nurses are now to pause strikes

Tomorrow they are to go into talks with
the Health Minister

All media

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