Petrol bombs thrown at migrant centre in Kent

[bots]

Emergency services are at the Border Force migrant processing centre in Dover, Kent, after a Reuters witness says a man threw petrol bombs before killing himself.

Kent Fire and Rescue Service was called to the incident in Dover at about 11:25 GMT, and a fire was put out.

The man drove up to the centre and threw three petrol bombs, one of which did not go off, Reuters reported.

The agency said he drove to a nearby petrol station where he killed himself.

South East Coast Ambulance Service confirmed they also attended the incident.

Nathalie Elphicke, the Conservative MP for Dover, said she was "deeply shocked".

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We are aware of an incident at Western Jet Foil, Dover and police are in attendance.

"It would not be appropriate to comment further at this stage."

Kent Police has been contacted for comment
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-63446683

[Beso]

She should stop sticking her fingers in plug sockets.

[arista]

Good on the Police putting it out



They have cameras
Arrest any gang of thugs

[Cherie]

Good on the Police putting it out



They have cameras
Arrest this gang of thugs

It was one guy and he killed himself thankfully

[arista]

It was one guy and he killed himself thankfully


Loan Crazy man.


Could go Front Page.

[arista]

[Man hurls three petrol bombs at Dover immigration centre
before driving to a nearby petrol station to 'kill himself']

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/30/14/63999895-11370593-image-m-54_1667141238538.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/30/14/63999801-11370593-image-a-49_1667140900199.jpg

Good work lads

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/30/14/63999897-11370593-image-a-56_1667141262029.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/30/14/63999855-11370593-image-a-51_1667141031698.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11370593/Man-hurls-petrol-bombs-migrant-centre-Dover-taking-life-claim-witnesses.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/30/14/63999889-11370593-image-a-60_1667141387768.jpg
[A police officer covers the car allegedly involved
in the incident near the migrant
processing centre in Dover, Kent]

[Liam-]

If you listen real good, you can hear Braverman somewhere licking her lips

[arista]

If you listen real good, you can hear Braverman somewhere licking her lips

Typical from you Liam

No Government Minister
asked for this crazy man to chuck
3 bottles of petrol at the outside of that centre.

No one wanted him to Kill himself.

[The Slim Reaper]

Typical from you Liam

No Government Minister
asked for this crazy man to chuck
3 bottles of petrol at the outside of that centre.

No one wanted him to Kill himself.

You love it when they get teargassed, so let's not pretend to be shocked now when someone takes the next step.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No surprise this happened

people are sick of the inaction and the invasion

and the extremes will do things

[Crimson Dynamo]

regular guy in a nice car

sick of it

pushed into extremism perhaps?

or mentally ill, no doubt

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/30/17/64002501-11370593-image-a-7_1667151336459.jpg

[UserSince2005]

Why does he hate migrants so much?
Maybe one stole his job
Maybe one robbed his house
Maybe one raped his wife
Who knows?
But they need to know we don’t want em in our country

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why does he hate migrants so much?
Maybe one stole his job
Maybe one robbed his house
Maybe one raped his wife
Who knows?
But they need to know we don’t want em in our country

he hates illegals who hate law and order

queuing, respect for people and families

he hates selfish nasty people who want to ride ruffshod over rules

who exploits good people

they have no respect

he did not want that nasty person, here

he had enough

he did wrong

[Mystic Mock]

Regardless of what people think of the UK's policies on Immigration, it still doesn't justify an attack like this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Regardless of what people think of the UK's policies on Immigration, it still doesn't justify an attack like this.

but it may explain it

[Liam-]

LT entering his terrorist sympathiser era?

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT entering his terrorist sympathiser era?



just ignoring the real problem to take a dig at a member?

cowardly

[Mystic Mock]

but it may explain it

I agree that it might explain his motive.

But it doesn't justify it imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree that it might explain his motive.

But it doesn't justify it imo.

exactly, explain but not justify

but nothing is done, it may happen again

SOON

[UserSince2005]

Regardless of what people think of the UK's policies on Immigration, it still doesn't justify an attack like this.

I hope he wasn’t trying to kill. That would be nasty. But it’s a very sad demise for this man at the sake of illegals.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-933b439b-27a4-49da-8f31-c4924044f1be.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b5fc90fc-3374-4585-bf9e-538f9e24cb8c.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-5b7a496a-18fb-41af-8279-1d1f83c31daa.png

[Mystic Mock]

God this sounds like a Batman arc.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-c47e46ab-dab9-4149-8118-519266680b32.jpeg

[arista]

This crazy man tapped Fireworks
to the Petrol Bottles.

It's right in the Port Entrance.

After this Attack
around 700 Illegal Migrants
were transferred to Manston Airport
another processing centre.



SkyNewsHD

[arista]

You love it when they get teargassed, so let's not pretend to be shocked now when someone takes the next step.

That is just not true.

You do not know,
what I think.

[bots]

the police have said they are not treating the petrol bombing as a terrorist attack .... go figure

[hijaxers]

OMG he went to petrol station , had a noose around his neck which he tied to a pole and then drove off causing his death. Obviously pre planned.

[bots]

i thought he probably went to the petrol station for more supplies

[Cherie]

OMG he went to petrol station , had a noose around his neck which he tied to a pole and then drove off causing his death. Obviously pre planned.

What the hell

[Liam-]

the police have said they are not treating the petrol bombing as a terrorist attack .... go figure

Of course they’re not

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes NOT a terrorist attack just a guy with severe mental health issues driven to a horrific suicide.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ozJFA7I7xjQ

[thesheriff443]

OMG he went to petrol station , had a noose around his neck which he tied to a pole and then drove off causing his death. Obviously pre planned.

This actually happened a few years back at a Waitrose car park in my dads village

[The Slim Reaper]

That is just not true.

You do not know,
what I think.

French Police
Yes Stab the Boat.
Tear Gas Spray the Illegal Migrant in the Face
trying to stop you .

Tweet from Ch4HDnews



Look it is the only way
to stop these illegals
we are paying the French Police

..

.

[bots]

the only country that can stop the illegal trafficking of immigrants from france to the uk is france. We can wring our hands and say its terrible, but france needs to take action if its going to stop it and we should be improving our relationship with france so that they are more likely to listen to us. That's the only approach that can possibly work

[The Slim Reaper]

making excuses for suicide bombers is next level tibb.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A Tory MP was on with Nick this morning and he actually said twice

"these people are the most desperate people in the world"

chilling ignorance from our own Government

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/18/16/59212125-10928293-Refugees_who_arrive_over_the_English_Channel_in_sm all_boats_are_-a-4_1655564916931.jpg
a most desperate man in the world checks his insta account on his Iphone

[DigitalSid]

Stunts like his will only gives ammo to the "refugees welcome" lot and make the problem worse. Violence is not the solution to anything.

[arista]

..

.


Yes in France it is needed.

[arista]

A Tory MP was on with Nick this morning and he actually said twice

"these people are the most desperate people in the world"

chilling ignorance from our own Government

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/18/16/59212125-10928293-Refugees_who_arrive_over_the_English_Channel_in_sm all_boats_are_-a-4_1655564916931.jpg
a most desperate man in the world checks his insta account on his Iphone


Yes Illegal Migrants
and Criminals among them.

[arista]

The Home Secretary will be in Parliament
Live this afternoon/evening

Talking about this mess.

Guardian Reports


Ref: BBC Politics Live, BBC2HD

[Zizu]

Yes Illegal Migrants
and Criminals among them.


It all seems very strange for so many guys to be just leaving their families ( elderly parents, sisters and children ) ..

Last year when Russia invaded his country .. Lomachenko the world champion boxer gave up on winning all the belts and increased fame and fortune and stayed with his village and the other guys to defend their loved ones ..


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221031/479769cb5df6edb8047a96b81d2015c4.png


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[arista]

SkyNewsHD now reports the Home Secretary
will be Live in Parliament around 5:15PM

[The Slim Reaper]

It all seems very strange for so many guys to be just leaving their families ( elderly parents, sisters and children ) ..


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I agree. It's much safer to send women and children on a perilous journey and have the men staying at home.

[arista]

Slim

What about Albanian Migrants
do you think they have a right to stay in the UK?

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim

What about Albanian Migrants
do you think they have a right to stay in the UK?

I think they have a right to have their cases and situations heard without prejudgement, like they would in any normal country. You forget that the reason this is happening is because we have purposefully closed down the previous normal and legal routes.

[arista]

I think they have a right to have their cases and situations heard without prejudgement, like they would in any normal country. You forget that the reason this is happening is because we have purposefully closed down the previous normal and legal routes.


No Slim
their Police are now in the UK
to get them back.


It is not a War Country.

[The Slim Reaper]

No Slim
their Police are now in the UK
to get them back.


It is not a War Country.

Then don't ask my opinion :laugh:

[DigitalSid]

I think they have a right to have their cases and situations heard without prejudgement, like they would in any normal country. You forget that the reason this is happening is because we have purposefully closed down the previous normal and legal routes.

Legal migration is also at record numbers:

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/08/25/immigration-at-all-time-record-level-with-record-1-1-million-visas-issued-to-come-and-live-in-the-uk

[arista]

Then don't ask my opinion :laugh:


Nothing wrong in finding out your view.

[The Slim Reaper]

Legal migration is also at record numbers:

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/08/25/immigration-at-all-time-record-level-with-record-1-1-million-visas-issued-to-come-and-live-in-the-uk

We still have an aging population, a falling birth rate, and massive labour shortages. In a post brexit and post covid world, why do you think an anti-immigration government has issued such a record number?

[Zizu]

I agree. It's much safer to send women and children on a perilous journey and have the men staying at home.


You agree with all Albanian males coming over here ?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Official data released on Thursday has confirmed suspicions that Albanians are now a prominent national group among the asylum seekers travelling across the Channel.

But the Home Office and refugee charities are still trying to explain why there has been a recent surge in demand.

Speculation has fallen upon dominant organised criminal gangs known to have previously trafficked sex workers and gang members into the UK, and which now control large parts of the marijuana and cocaine markets.

Albanian gang activity is “rising up the security services’ list” of priorities because of the surge in arrivals from the Balkan state, it is understood.

Anonymous accounts, written in Albanian and English, are advertising routes from the capital, Tirana, to Calais. Some suggest free minibus trips to Calais. Some accounts publish the prices while others invite potential customers to contact them privately.

“Go to England. £4,000. With boats. Every day,” says one.

According to the website Balkan Insight, another advert offered to take children too.

“Departures everyday [sic], the next departure is tomorrow on 22 July. We can take families also. You come today and leave tomorrow. We are the first and the best (for boats)”. The post has 2,706 likes and 52 comments.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs


:umm2: refugees, the most vulnerable people on the planet.....

[The Slim Reaper]

You agree with all Albanian males coming over here ?


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I don't know the situation of every person arriving here, and neither does anyone else. That's all I know.

[Zizu]

I don't know the situation of every person arriving here, and neither does anyone else. That's all I know.


Look at the photo … they don’t look too concerned .. many are on their mobiles possibly liaising with another gang member..

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221031/d41b779d170f4666dc5aabd94fc0787d.jpg



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[The Slim Reaper]

Look at the photo … they don’t look too concerned .. many are on their mobiles no doubt liaising with another gang member..


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Not even possibly liaising with a gang member, but no doubt. :laugh:

[arista]

The Crazy Man with Petrol bombs (The suicide bomber)



66-year-old from High Wycombe

https://news.sky.com/story/man-suspected-of-firebombing-dover-immigration-centre-was-66-year-old-man-from-high-wycombe-12735187

[The Slim Reaper]

The suicide bomber

66-year-old from High Wycombe

https://news.sky.com/story/man-suspected-of-firebombing-dover-immigration-centre-was-66-year-old-man-from-high-wycombe-12735187

Fixed.

[Zizu]

Not even possibly liaising with a gang member, but no doubt. :laugh:


I was feeling charitable

:)


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[DigitalSid]

We still have an aging population, a falling birth rate, and massive labour shortages. In a post brexit and post covid world, why do you think an anti-immigration government has issued such a record number?

We also have a million unemployed.

We need to stop worrying about growth, and more cheap employment for the corporations and gracefully accept our decline. Social cohesion is more important than the frigging GDP.

[The Slim Reaper]

We need to stop worrying about growth, and more cheap employment for the corporations and gracefully accept our decline. Social cohesion is more important than GDP.

This is just bizarre. Social cohesion and immigration aren't bedfellows. Social Cohesion has been destroyed by policies like austerity, which is responsible for 330k excess deaths and a destruction of communities and community services. This 12 year government did that, not immigration, and it's a really sad indictment on our media that you believe this is a valid viewpoint.

[DigitalSid]

This is just bizarre. Social cohesion and immigration aren't bedfellows. Social Cohesion has been destroyed by policies like austerity, which is responsible for 330k excess deaths and a destruction of communities and community services. This 12 year government did that, not immigration, and it's a really sad indictment on our media that you believe this is a valid viewpoint.

I don't get my opinions from the media and I'm not a Tory.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is just bizarre. Social cohesion and immigration aren't bedfellows. Social Cohesion has been destroyed by policies like austerity, which is responsible for 330k excess deaths and a destruction of communities and community services. This 12 year government did that, not immigration, and it's a really sad indictment on our media that you believe this is a valid viewpoint.

which is responsible for 330k excess deaths and a destruction of communities

a non-existent hard left trope is what?

evidence please

[Zizu]

You people don’t think that we are the only country struggling financially , surely ?

Are we blaming the Tories for the rest of the World being in financial turmoil as well ??


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[The Slim Reaper]

which is responsible for 330k excess deaths and a destruction of communities

a non-existent hard left trope is what?

evidence please

You have google. Check out the journal of epidemiology and community health, that well known pusher of hard left tropes :laugh:

[Denver]

LT entering his terrorist sympathiser era?

Thats been his lifelong personality

[Denver]

Its always amazes me how people hate others coming to this country but when they visit or move to a new country themselves cry like a baby because they don't speak English or eat beans on toast

[Oliver_W]

This is just bizarre. Social cohesion and immigration aren't bedfellows. Social Cohesion has been destroyed by policies like austerity, which is responsible for 330k excess deaths and a destruction of communities and community services. This 12 year government did that, not immigration, and it's a really sad indictment on our media that you believe this is a valid viewpoint.

If public services are being affected by cuts and austerity, vast amounts of non-contributors coming here won't help them.

[Zizu]

Its always amazes me how people hate others coming to this country but when they visit or move to a new country themselves cry like a baby because they don't speak English or eat beans on toast


There’s simply no excuse for not eating ( Heinz ) Beans on toast


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[The Slim Reaper]

If public services are being affected by cuts and austerity, vast amounts of non-contributors coming here won't help them.

You're massively missing the point. Disaster capitalism creates the crisis. Austerity, which kills people, and drags down the country. All of this could have been prevented by taxing the wealthy/corporations, but they can't do that because they hold the real power in government. Then disaster capitalism tells us it's the EU that has been the problem, and so desperate people vote leave (which was always a massive tax avoidance scam for the wealthy). which further decreases the SoL in the country.

Then this government has it's back against the wall, so now it's really pushing language from 1930's Germany.

What you are ignoring, is that the violence initially wrought upon the poor or immigrants, never stops there. The government has used all of these self created crisis to steadily erode your rights and folks have been convinced, just like Germany, that these sacrifices are necessary. They aren't - all that is happening now is the result of choices made by the most wealthy in cahoots with their corporate masters.

We don't support our own people on benefits. but you think we're throwing around gram lifestyles for "the invaders?" You're not stupid, Oliver. This crisis has been created by the government who have purposefully crippled our ability to process people. If you're interested, search it out yourself, and look into the brief info I've posted here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

holy smoke

the corbyn marxist playbook:umm2:


thankfully the GBP pay no heed to this fantasy

[The Slim Reaper]

holy smoke

the corbyn marxist playbook:umm2:


thankfully the GBP pay no heed to this fantasy

Should be pretty easy for someone of your intellect to dismantle then? I look forward to reading your well thought out reply :laugh3:

[thesheriff443]

I can only speak from my own experience with a limited number of Albanian’s
I know one that is taking bags of money home every three months drives Bentleys Merc’s top range rover’s mostly his friends fellow Albanians and rents a council flat
He is a very nice bloke
My brother deals with two brothers one is a mountain of a man
He was telling us how he got into the country

Flew to Australia on a fake passport claimed he was from Afghanistan got sent to this country then brought his family over started buying houses and is now a millionaire

He is so dodgy, he got permission for a new build but at the same time put the footings in for another house then covered them up, will apply for a second house after a year

[Oliver_W]

Yx.

I didn't mention benefits. Even ignoring the net-negative provided by the Channel Migrants, do you think a massive influx of people is going to help the services being cut to the bone?

[thesheriff443]

There is a great article in the sun with migrant numbers, if someone would be kind enough to post it

[bots]

the terror police are now in charge of the investigation

[arista]

The Crazy attacker
who killed himself
Andrew Leak, 66, frequently shared
far-right conspiracy theories.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/01/immigration-who-was-dover-firebomb-suspect-andrew-leak?CMP=share_btn_tw

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/02/00/64093761-11379761-image-a-23_1667349231397.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

The suicide bomber
who killed himself
Andrew Leak, 66, frequently shared
far-right conspiracy theories.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/01/immigration-who-was-dover-firebomb-suspect-andrew-leak?CMP=share_btn_tw

No way. I don't believe it.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/02/00/64094047-11379761-His_Facebook_profile_has_been_found_to_be_littered _with_pictures-m-24_1667349265126.jpg

The Dead Crazy Mans
Facebook photo

[The Slim Reaper]

he looks like Merle from TWD.

https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/02/walking-dead_320x240_01.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/15/64074891-11377961-image-a-42_1667316689336.jpg

The Now dead crazy man
in his local pub.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/15/64074869-11377961-image-m-41_1667316678044.jpg

Andrew Leak, 66, (Now Dead)
from his Facebook page

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/17/64079547-11377961-image-a-3_1667324309356.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/31/08/64020255-11372629-image-a-7_1667204422737.jpg

After Leak Killed Himself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11379761/Migrant-centre-petrol-bomber-Joker-obsessed-far-Right-supporting-cannabis-smoker.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/17/64079547-11377961-image-a-3_1667324309356.jpg

yes how hideously far right to want to help our homeless people

the pig

[arista]

he looks like Merle from TWD.

https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/02/walking-dead_320x240_01.jpg


Yes a bit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merle_Dixon

[Liam-]

A man that attempted to burn immigrants alive was a radicalised member of the far right? I for one am shocked, utterly flabbergasted I tell you

[arista]

A man that attempted to burn immigrants alive was a radicalised member of the far right? I for one am shocked, utterly flabbergasted I tell you


Good the Gates Stopped the Crazy Man
Now Dead.

[thesheriff443]

Immigrants in hotels costing uk 7 million a day

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/15/64074491-0-image-m-15_1667315510242.jpg

In his Flat.

From Facebook

[arista]

Immigrants in hotels costing uk 7 million a day


Yes I have done threads on this
we need to open up massive MOD area
and transfer them there.
Saving Millions.

It will have airbase on it
Ready for Legal flights back to Albania

To then be fast tracked home
or permitted into the UK to Work

[Denver]

Far right terrorism is a much bigger issue in the UK then Islamic terrorism despite what people will have you belive

[arista]

Far right terrorism is a much bigger issue in the UK then Islamic terrorism despite what people will have you belive

Yes, it appears so.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes I have done threads on this
we need to open up massive MOD area
and transfer them there.
Saving Millions.

It will have airbase on it
Ready for Legal flights back to Albania

To then be fast tracked home
or permitted into the UK to Work

I think a different European country tried this in the 1930's. Not sure how it played out, but would be an interesting topic to look into.

[Swan]

Far right terrorism is a much bigger issue in the UK then Islamic terrorism despite what people will have you belive

No, that's simply not true. Of course far right terrorism exists, but Islamic terrorism in the UK is a much bigger threat to life. I think the figures for the last 5 or so years in the UK were 2 people dead due to far right terrorism, 37 dead due to Islamic terrorism.

[arista]

I think a different European country tried this in the 1930's. Not sure how it played out, but would be an interesting topic to look into.


No you are being silly, again

[The Slim Reaper]

No you are being silly, again

Check the history books, it's definitely there.

[arista]

Check the history books, it's definitely there.


Nothing like what we are planning

[Zizu]

The Crazy attacker
who killed himself
Andrew Leak, 66, frequently shared
far-right conspiracy theories.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/01/immigration-who-was-dover-firebomb-suspect-andrew-leak?CMP=share_btn_tw

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/02/00/64093761-11379761-image-a-23_1667349231397.jpg


They should shut down every conspiracy theory site/page immediately it’s uploaded


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[arista]

They should shut down every conspiracy theory site/page immediately it’s uploaded




Many are international
so takes time to close

[Denver]

No, that's simply not true. Of course far right terrorism exists, but Islamic terrorism in the UK is a much bigger threat to life. I think the figures for the last 5 or so years in the UK were 2 people dead due to far right terrorism, 37 dead due to Islamic terrorism.

The growth of far right terrorism is terrifyingly high compared to that of Islamic terrorism over the last 5 to 10 years and the government allows political parties to exist that are involved in such thing.

People need to stop thinking only Asian people are a threat because the white are so much worse and for your statistics they don't count for every death and crime committed by the far right, how many lgbt or poc have been physically attacked and murdered by the far right? Ask yourself that question because we need to stop throwing the white people cant be terrorist cards out there as the countries failure to deal with what was infront of their eyes has allowed it to get stronger

[Oliver_W]

how many lgbt or poc have been physically attacked and murdered by the far right?

How many? This is all just rhetoric unless you can prove it's any significant number, and because of their demographic trait.

[Crimson Dynamo]

not the whole far right terror myth again :facepalm:

[Swan]

The growth of far right terrorism is terrifyingly high compared to that of Islamic terrorism over the last 5 to 10 years and the government allows political parties to exist that are involved in such thing.

People need to stop thinking only Asian people are a threat because the white are so much worse and for your statistics they don't count for every death and crime committed by the far right, how many lgbt or poc have been physically attacked and murdered by the far right? Ask yourself that question because we need to stop throwing the white people cant be terrorist cards out there as the countries failure to deal with what was infront of their eyes has allowed it to get stronger

Of course white people can be terrorists, who is saying they can't? I don't want to get into the "well whites are worse than Islamic terrorists" argument because it's ridiculous to compare 2 evils who's goals are exactly the same. Lets not be stupid here either, if you think Islamic terrorists are allies of the LGBT community then you are very much mistaken. It's disturbingly ironic that both the far right and Islamic terrorist detest LGBT people. Wasn't it only a couple of years ago when 3 gay men were stabbed to death by an Islamic terrorist in the UK?

Neither is worst as they're both terrible. If a white person, black person, brown person, if ANYONE ran up to you with a knife you'd sh!t your pants just like anyone would. Their colour or religion wouldn't enter your mind.

[Oliver_W]

The growth of far right terrorism is terrifyingly high compared to that of Islamic terrorism over the last 5 to 10 years

What figures lead you to that conclusion?

[Denver]

What figures lead you to that conclusion?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/16/terrorism-in-the-uk-the-rising-threat-of-far-right-extremists

While 15 years ago it was dominated by Islamist plotters, in recent years the most severe threats to the country’s national security feature people planning atrocities linked to extreme rightwing ideology.

[Oliver_W]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/16/terrorism-in-the-uk-the-rising-threat-of-far-right-extremists



While 15 years ago it was dominated by Islamist plotters, in recent years the most severe threats to the country’s national security feature people planning atrocities linked to extreme rightwing ideology.The ratio of counter-terrorism investigations is still roughly six Islamist for every one from the extreme right wing
~ also from the article you linked.

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[Denver]

The ratio of counter-terrorism investigations is still roughly six Islamist for every one from the extreme right wing
~ also from the article you linked.

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Which shows the threat of Islamic terrorism hasn't change but the threat of Right Wing terrorism is growing at a much faster speed

[Oliver_W]

Which shows the threat of Islamic terrorism hasn't change but the threat of Right Wing terrorism is growing at a much faster speedWhich figures are you comparing it to in order to demonstrate which is growing faster?

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[Denver]

Only people with suspicious intentions would try to make out right wing terrorism is not an issue

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only people with suspicious intentions would try to make out right wing terrorism is not an issue

Only people with chips on their shoulders and agendas would say that people who have suspicious intentions would try to make out right wing terrorism is not an issue

[Oliver_W]

Only people with suspicious intentions would try to make out right wing terrorism is not an issue

Who's trying to make it not an issue? If you want to make things up, fine. But if you want to pretend you're not pulling stuff out of your hat, it might help if you have sources for the increases abojt which you're talking.

[Beso]

Poor bloke lost hos cock to cancer, and his head to a car noose.

[Beso]

Far right terrorism is a much bigger issue in the UK then Islamic terrorism despite what people will have you belive

Not to me it's not.

[Mystic Mock]

No way. I don't believe it.

Well you'd better start believing it.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Far right terrorism is a much bigger issue in the UK then Islamic terrorism despite what people will have you belive

You have a point tbh, because sometimes the country in general doesn't recognize situations like trying to attack a group of people in a Van as terrorism, when it clearly is.

[Mystic Mock]

No, that's simply not true. Of course far right terrorism exists, but Islamic terrorism in the UK is a much bigger threat to life. I think the figures for the last 5 or so years in the UK were 2 people dead due to far right terrorism, 37 dead due to Islamic terrorism.

I actually didn't know that statistic.

I do wonder though if the stats are a bit skewed because a lot of terrorist acts don't actually get labelled as terrorism in this country?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I actually didn't know that statistic.

I do wonder though if the stats are a bit skewed because a lot of terrorist acts don't actually get labelled as terrorism in this country?

What like when West Ham ICF batter a load of Spurs fans

is that Terrorism?

or if 2 Doormen knock the granny out of a mouthy teen?

Is that Terrorism?

[Denver]

What like when West Ham ICF batter a load of Spurs fans

is that Terrorism?

or if 2 Doormen knock the granny out of a mouthy teen?

Is that Terrorism?
When a Asian person does something its terrorism when a white person does the exact same they are labeled mental ill

[Crimson Dynamo]

When a Asian person does something its terrorism when a white person does the exact same they are labeled mental ill

Yes I have heard that extreme left conspiracy theory bots pump out rubbish like that on twitter

its scary to think people would countenance it,


i agree

[Beso]

The bloke was dying of cancer and decided to make a martyr of himself.

He looks like a homeless rag, a man disillusioned with society, let down by his politicians because of the colour of his skin.

Chucked a few IRA type petrol bombs at a brick wall then tied a noose round his kneck and tied the other end to a tree, before jumping in his car to speed off.

A fool of a man, a man now listed as a far right extremist by the media and social commentators on TIBB. All he seemed to be was a man on death row, exasperated enough with the state of his country that he would do this.

He should have surrendered, and he would have recieved all the care and attention he wasnt receiving for his illness because he was a common criminal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The bloke was dying of cancer and decided to make a martyr of himself.

He looks like a homeless rag, a man disillusioned with society, let down by his politicians because of the colour of his skin.

Chucked a few IRA type petrol bombs at a brick wall then tied a noose round his kneck and tied the other end to a tree, before jumping in his car to speed off.

A fool of a man, a man now listed as a far right extremist by the media and social commentators on TIBB. All he seemed to be was a man on death row, exasperated enough with the state of his country that he would do this.

He should have surrendered, and he would have recieved all the care and attention he wasnt receiving for his illness because he was a common criminal.

:clap1:

well said Parmy

[AnnieK]

The bloke was dying of cancer and decided to make a martyr of himself.

He looks like a homeless rag, a man disillusioned with society, let down by his politicians because of the colour of his skin.

Chucked a few IRA type petrol bombs at a brick wall then tied a noose round his kneck and tied the other end to a tree, before jumping in his car to speed off.

A fool of a man, a man now listed as a far right extremist by the media and social commentators on TIBB. All he seemed to be was a man on death row, exasperated enough with the state of his country that he would do this.

He should have surrendered, and he would have recieved all the care and attention he wasnt receiving for his illness because he was a common criminal.

If all the same things applied as above but his skin were brown, would you say they same thing? Or would you believe it was terrorism? It is quite telling that you said he threw IRA type petrol bombs. Considering the IRA were comsodered terrorists, surely it is an act of terrorism that he followed their MO?

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't do it to yourself Annie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If all the same things applied as above but his skin were brown, would you say they same thing? Or would you believe it was terrorism? It is quite telling that you said he threw IRA type petrol bombs. Considering the IRA were comsodered terrorists, surely it is an act of terrorism that he followed their MO?

a single man with terminal cancer is the same as a criminal murderous planned terror organisation who killed thousands of innocent men, women and childen?

f me

are you sure? :skull:

[Beso]

If all the same things applied as above but his skin were brown, would you say they same thing? Or would you believe it was terrorism? It is quite telling that you said he threw IRA type petrol bombs. Considering the IRA were comsodered terrorists, surely it is an act of terrorism that he followed their MO?

When I say IRA, I was referring to the riots, where petrol bombs are thrown at the police line. The ones you see bouncing off the riot shields in a tiny explosion, before melting away in the breeze.


All the above(above my reply, that you refer to) would not apply to someone with different coloured skin. Therefore I cant reply yes or no.

[AnnieK]

a single man with terminal cancer is the same as a criminal murderous planned terror organisation who killed thousands of innocent men, women and childen?

f me

are you sure? :skull:

Yes because that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes: Don't put words in my mouth, I don't play your games LT and it is now really boring. Dying of terminal cancer does not give anyone the right to risk the lives of others, no matter what. End of.

[AnnieK]

Don't do it to yourself Annie.

I was genuinely interested though and ill so thought I'd foray....I've lost interest now though lol

[thesheriff443]

For me it’s very simple, I don’t care about left or right bullsh1t

We should be helping those who are genuine and sending back those that are not.
Reward the good and punish the bad

[Beso]

I was genuinely interested though and ill so thought I'd foray....I've lost interest now though lol

Bit rude when I've answered your question.:shrug:

[Oliver_W]

If it was truly a pre-suicide "**** you" to the people he genuinely perceived as being responsible for draining money and resources away from the services which should have treated his cancer ... then it can't be called terrorism. Not truly.

But if he thought throwing a few mediocre molotov cocktails at the exterior gates of the migrant centre while passing by in his car might kill everyone inside? Then sure, ne was a terrorist.

[thesheriff443]

A life boat is there to save lives in an emergency but you can keep letting people on until it sinks

[bots]

the majority of isis folks that attack western targets make martyrs of themselves, so does that mean they are not terrorists either? Weird

Anyone that attacks another individual or group where the intention is to cause terror is a terrorist and throwing petrol bombs either kills or injures people and causes terror. End of

[Mystic Mock]

What like when West Ham ICF batter a load of Spurs fans

is that Terrorism?

or if 2 Doormen knock the granny out of a mouthy teen?

Is that Terrorism?

Despite being horrible crimes that you've described, they're not technically attacking an entire community (basically streets or entire Cities) which is where I'm personally drawing the line at Terrorism.

The official definition of terrorism is this:
"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Which if everyone is being fair, both the Far Right Terrorists and the Islamic terrorists are extremely political with their violence.

[thesheriff443]

the majority of isis folks that attack western targets make martyrs of themselves, so does that mean they are not terrorists either? Weird

Anyone that attacks another individual or group where the intention is to cause terror is a terrorist and throwing petrol bombs either kills or injures people and causes terror. End of

I can see your logic but one size doesn’t fit all in these cases

Individuals kill one or lots of people for different reasons they may cause terror but they are not classified as terrorists

[Oliver_W]

the majority of isis folks that attack western targets make martyrs of themselves, so does that mean they are not terrorists either? Weird

Anyone that attacks another individual or group where the intention is to cause terror is a terrorist and throwing petrol bombs either kills or injures people and causes terror. End of

How many people were injured or killed by his attack?

[bots]

How many people were injured or killed by his attack?

he still terrorized people ... are you saying you would nonchalantly look out the window and say ... oh look, someone is throwing petrol bombs at me outside, whistle and go and make a cup of tea? :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

he still terrorized people ... are you saying you would nonchalantly look out the window and say ... oh look, someone is throwing petrol bombs at me outside, whistle and go and make a cup of tea? [emoji23]No, I'm saying he made a token effort to show his distain to a drain in resources before he killed himself, in lieu of dying from terminal cancer.

Are you saying a handful of molotovs (one kf which fizzled out) thrown at an exterior gate (with no migrants directly behind it) was an attempt to do serious damage?

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[bots]

terrorism shouldn't require justification or otherwise, it either is or it is not, and throwing petrol bombs around is most certainly terrorism

[Cherie]

From his FB posts he certainly indulged in far right ideology I would say he was inspired by suicide bombers

[thesheriff443]

terrorism shouldn't require justification or otherwise, it either is or it is not, and throwing petrol bombs around is most certainly terrorism

Can’t agree with you
The words fit but the motivation or motives don’t

School massacres in the USA cause terror but it’s not terrorism

Lt running around the neighbourhood naked would be terrifying but not an act of terrorism

[Crimson Dynamo]

I doubt his aims had any real politics - it was a last protest from a dead man

[Oliver_W]

I doubt his aims had any real politics - it was a last protest from a dead man

Yeah he was man whose benefits were halved (https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-leak-suspected-petrol-bomb-attacker-at-migrant-centre-posted-anti-muslim-rants-on-social-media-12735877) and who was dying from cancer, just acting out before taking his own life. There's no real reason to assume he was driven by "politics" of any kind.

[Liam-]

Terror sympathisers out in force today huh

[Denver]

Yeah he was man whose benefits were halved (https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-leak-suspected-petrol-bomb-attacker-at-migrant-centre-posted-anti-muslim-rants-on-social-media-12735877) and who was dying from cancer, just acting out before taking his own life. There's no real reason to assume he was driven by "politics" of any kind.

Apart from hom being a member on far right forums and posting far right material on social media?

[Denver]

How many people were injured or killed by his attack?

So by this definition all those Islamic terrorists who get caught or fail in an attack cant actually be called a terrorist because they didn't hurt anyone

[Oliver_W]

Apart from hom being a member on far right forums and posting far right material on scouts media?Where did you hear about those posts?

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[Liam-]

So by this definition all those Islamic terrorists who get caught or fail in an attack cant actually be called a terrorist because they didn't hurt anyone

No they’re still terrorists obviously, leave the poor white man alone, he wanted to burn people alive because he was angry, he’s the victim :fist:

[The Slim Reaper]

Just the two of us, bombing migrants in the sky, just the two of us...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FglrBs3X0AEIMNB?format=jpg&name=small

[Oliver_W]

No they’re still terrorists obviously, leave the poor white man alone, he wanted to burn people alive because he was angry, he’s the victim :fist:

If he wanted to burn people alive, why did he aim the molotovs at an exterior wall where no migrants were in danger?

[Denver]

If he wanted to burn people alive, why did he aim the molotovs at an exterior wall where no migrants were in danger?

Not only was he a failure as a man he was a failure at Rounders in school he was the true **** stain of society

[Crimson Dynamo]

Apart from hom being a member on far right forums and posting far right material on social media?

what far right forums?

and what political organization do they belong to?

[arista]

Poor bloke lost hos cock to cancer, and his head to a car noose.


No
many others with Terminal Cancer
are not being Evil.


Parmy you are so wrong

[Denver]

Counter terrorism police has confirmed he was motivated by terrorist ideology

[Jordan.]

Counter terrorism police has confirmed he was motivated by terrorist ideology

And like minded people defended him on here

Wow

[Oliver_W]

And like minded people defended him on here

Wow

I didn't see any posts defending his actions?

[bots]

Counter terrorism police has confirmed he was motivated by terrorist ideology

that's incorrect. They said he was motivated by right wing ideology, there is no such thing as terrorist ideology

[Denver]

Stop defending the extreme right wing, they are terrorists anyone who says different are very questionable people

[Denver]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/firebombing-of-dover-immigration-centre-was-motivated-by-terrorist-ideology-police-say-12738800
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/dover-firebomb-attack-motivated-by-terrorist-ideology-police-say

2 articles say the exact same like every other article but you pretend the right wing are not terrorists

[bots]

Stop defending the extreme right wing, they are terrorists anyone who says different are very questionable people

what are you on? where am i defending it? You really need to read better

[Denver]

You clearly don't see him as a terrorist

[Oliver_W]

You clearly don't see him as a terrorist

"Might not technically be a terrorist" is hardly a ringing endorsement :joker:

[Denver]

People need to understand Terrorist ideology exists