Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting said Jeremy Corbyn had 'gone senile'

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/10/01/64389287-0-image-a-76_1668042432089.jpg


[Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting
apologises after saying Jeremy Corbyn
had 'gone senile'

Wes Streeting said he made
the remark about the former
Labour leader "in jest", but accepted it was
"in poor taste".]


https://news.sky.com/story/shadow-health-secretary-wes-streeting-apologises-after-saying-jeremy-corbyn-had-gone-senile-12742674






[The incident happened when Mr Corbyn,
who now sits as an independent MP,
tried to raise a point of order
in the Commons after today's
Prime Minister's Questions,
but was rebuked by Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle.

When Mr Corbyn pushed again,
Sir Lindsay asked the Labour frontbench
what he was saying, and
Mr Streeting replied: "He's gone senile."]

[Oliver_W]

What's he doing, sharing someone's private medical information like that?

[thesheriff443]

What's he doing, sharing someone's private medical information like that?

We all know he is nuts, so I don’t see the issue.

[joeysteele]

Wes has never been an admirer of Corbyn.
I'm sure though he regrets using such a term.

Just why however did the Speaker in discussion with Corbyn ask anyone else what Corbyn was saying?
The Speaker should only engage with the MP he's directly talking to.

Imagine had the Speaker asked the Con front bench what he was saying.
Much worse than Wes's words would have flowed forward.

The Speaker I think was well out of order here.
Knowing the, in my view, unnecessary hostility there likely still is between the Labour shadow cabinet and Corbyn.
He shouldn't have asked any other MPs what Corbyn was saying.

[Oliver_W]

Just why however did the Speaker in discussion with Corbyn ask anyone else what Corbyn was saying?
The Speaker should only engage with the MP he's directly talking to.

Corbyn wanted to raise a point before the allotted time, he was shouting from the backbenches, Streeting was nearby.

[joeysteele]

Corbyn wanted to raise a point before the allotted time, he was shouting from the backbenches, Streeting was nearby.

I still don't get why this Speaker even asked any others what Corbyn was saying.
If he couldn't hear him he should have have him raise it privately.
Not bring in other MPs.
I think that was and should be out of order.

This Speaker though in my view is not a good one, he's really poor at keeping order.

[bots]

the HoC is filled with a shower of unpleasant people. That's the simple truth

[thesheriff443]

I still don't get why this Speaker even asked any others what Corbyn was saying.
If he couldn't hear him he should have have him raise it privately.
Not bring in other MPs.
I think that was and should be out of order.

This Speaker though in my view is not a good one, he's really poor at keeping order.

Anyone who watches hoc, know’s they are constantly ripping the piss out of each other

Basically they all know politics is just a big joke at the end of the day and in what other job do you have bars at your work place to use when you like.

[joeysteele]

Anyone who watches hoc, know’s they are constantly ripping the piss out of each other

Basically they all know politics is just a big joke at the end of the day and in what other job do you have bars at your work place to use when you like.

I agree in the main.

I don't think the UK has ever been more badly served by those who it seems astoundedly get elected to parliament.
Therein is another problem re the voters who ekect them.

If I had my way I'd rip near all up and start again.
Changing the ridiculous oaths they take.
The electoral system.
This obsession with manifesto pledges.

A manifesto in a lot of its pledges only has a brief outline usually of policy.
Anything that takes away from or adds much more to a pledge in a manifesto then I'd like to see more freevotes.

It should too, I agree be a workplace like environment as you say with very limited or no access to alcohol in said workplace.

However on this point, the Speaker if he gives attention to any MP.
Should not then involve other MPs in discussion of that MP.
This Speaker annoys me.

I don't think I've ever read or come across before any Speaker or Deputy speaker engaging with an MP, to then bring in another or others as to comment on that MP.

Yes however, politics is sadly at this time a joke.
A sick joke as to how all Parties MPs behave at times.
That really is worrying since politics and what politicians say and do in parliament affects strongly our lives and livelihoods

[bots]

Its career politics, you look at any country in the world and they are all the same. Biden was celebrating yesterday at the fantastic mid term result where they have lost control of the house and could yet lose control of the senate, which basically means that nothing will be done in America for at least the next 2 years .... how is that serving the people?

[joeysteele]

Its career politics, you look at any country in the world and they are all the same. Biden was celebrating yesterday at the fantastic mid term result where they have lost control of the house and could yet lose control of the senate, which basically means that nothing will be done in America for at least the next 2 years .... how is that serving the people?

That is bizarre I agree bots.

[The Slim Reaper]

Wes has never been an admirer of Corbyn.
I'm sure though he regrets using such a term.

Just why however did the Speaker in discussion with Corbyn ask anyone else what Corbyn was saying?
The Speaker should only engage with the MP he's directly talking to.

Imagine had the Speaker asked the Con front bench what he was saying.
Much worse than Wes's words would have flowed forward.

The Speaker I think was well out of order here.
Knowing the, in my view, unnecessary hostility there likely still is between the Labour shadow cabinet and Corbyn.
He shouldn't have asked any other MPs what Corbyn was saying.

Making excuses for labour dweebs that you would never afford to tories.

[joeysteele]

Making excuses for labour dweebs that you would never afford to tories.

No way, not making excuses for anyone at all.
That's highly unfair of you.

Wes Streeting shouldn't have responded but did so.

I just doubt anyone however would expect Wes who always criticised Corbyn all through his leadership to say anything helpful or even pleasant about him.

My point is with the person who oversees the debates and parliamentary procedure.
Namely this Speaker.

Corbyn is not a Labour MP at present, he sits as an Independent and hasnt the Labour whip.
So WHY this Speaker knowing the Labour front bench attitude to Corbyn then asked the Labour front bench what was he on about.
That's what's out of order and my point.

I can throw your comment back at you however.
As you are a supporter strongly of Corbyn and also holding a strong negative to Streeting.
I'd be saying the same had the Speaker talking directly to Wes had he then asked Corbyn what was he saying.

The Speaker isn't there to put fuel on anything where he knows personal division may be.
Corbyn was talking to the Speaker, if this Speaker couldn't hear what he was saying he should make it that he COULD and actually out of respect to Corbyn NEVER involved any other MP or indeed MPs from any Party in parliament.

[The Slim Reaper]

No way, not making excuses for anyone at all.
That's highly unfair of you.

Wes Streeting shouldn't have responded but did so.

I just doubt anyone however would expect Wes who always criticised Corbyn all through his leadership to say anything helpful or even pleasant about him.

My point is with the person who oversees the debates and parliamentary procedure.
Namely this Speaker.

Corbyn is not a Labour MP at present, he sits as an Independent and hasnt the Labour whip.
So WHY this Speaker knowing the Labour front bench attitude to Corbyn then asked the Labour front bench what was he on about.
That's what's out of order and my point.

I can throw your comment back at you however.
As you are a supporter strongly of Corbyn and also holding a strong negative to Streeting.
I'd be saying the same had the Speaker talking directly to Wes had he then asked Corbyn what was he saying.

The Speaker isn't there to put fuel on anything where he knows personal division may be.
Corbyn was talking to the Speaker, if this Speaker couldn't hear what he was saying he should make it that he COULD and actually out of respect to Corbyn NEVER involved any other MP or indeed MPs from any Party in parliament.

I'm sure all those tories didn't like each other either, and yet they've been classed as bullies. Corbyn has way too much class to have taken the same approach as Wes, as his actual tweet on the matter makes clear.

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If a tory had said what wes said, then Starmer would be calling Sunak weak for not sacking him, but because it's Corbyn it's allowed.

The responsibility is not the speakers, it belongs solely to Streeting.

[Niamh.]

Terrible, cruel illness, really unprofessional of that guy to joke about it

[bots]

i think that as it is the shadow health secretary that said it, it amplifies the problem. Should a man who is so flippant about a serious disease be the labour man in charge?

[Oliver_W]

I just doubt anyone however would expect Wes who always criticised Corbyn all through his leadership to say anything helpful or even pleasant about him.

You don't have to like someone to be professional - the unhelpful and unliking (and unprofessional) thing to do would be to pretend he didn't hear what Corbyn said and just dismiss it; the bear minimum would be to say "oh, be just wants to raise a motion about PMQs lol".

Even if you don't like someone, the least you can do is afford indifferent or flippant courtesy.

[Niamh.]

i think that as it is the shadow health secretary that said it, it amplifies the problem. Should a man who is so flippant about a serious disease be the labour man in charge?

Yeah totally agree

[Vanessa]

What a twat :fist:

[The Slim Reaper]

What a twat :fist:

:laugh2:

[joeysteele]

I'm sure all those tories didn't like each other either, and yet they've been classed as bullies. Corbyn has way too much class to have taken the same approach as Wes, as his actual tweet on the matter makes clear.

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If a tory had said what wes said, then Starmer would be calling Sunak weak for not sacking him, but because it's Corbyn it's allowed.

The responsibility is not the speakers, it belongs solely to Streeting.


I'm not taking lectures on Corbyn.
He was never my choice of Leader but I as a member went leafleting and canvassing for Labour under his leadership in 2 elections.
2017 and 2019 just as strongly as I had for Miliband in 2015.

I believe in Party policies not individuals.

I don't know how many times I've to say Wes Streeting was wrong to comment.
He was.
I agree too with bots perhaps Health isn't the department he should have.
Angela Raynor still gets hammered for using scum as a word for the Cons.

Niamh is also absolutely right.
Dementia is NOT an illness to even think of joking about never mind do so.

Wes Streeting will regret it, in part now because it's out there now.
I know Wes, he's always in my view been a decent guy.
However totally wrong here on this.

You can let the Speaker off the hook all you wish.
I repeat however I know of NO Speaker or Deputy Speaker who when engaging with an MP.
Then asks any other MP or MPs from any Party what they've said.

I don't rate this Speaker and haven't since his appointment as arista knows well from my exchanges with him on Hoyle.

If he cannot hear an MP it's his job he makes sure he does hear from them, and ONLY them not asking others what that MP has said.
So he in effect set Corbyn up himself for more ridicule.

As Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans did last week when Corbyn said it was clear, he Corbyn, lived in Sunak's head it seemed.
However Evans ridiculed him and twisted it to say it was likely Sunak would continue to live in Corbyn's head.

The Speakers are there to be impartial and fair.
This current Speaker and the Deputy Evans are far from it in my view.
Sadly Corbyn remains an object of ridicule.
To way too many in parliament.

Having said that, I was not a personal supporter of Corbyn.
Although yes I was a supporter of most of his policies in 2017 and 2019.

I've never ever altered my thinking on those and hope most of them will find their way into new policy making too.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not taking lectures on Corbyn.
He was never my choice of Leader but I as a member went leafleting and canvassing for Labour under his leadership in 2 elections.
2017 and 2019 just as strongly as I had for Miliband in 2015.

I believe in Party policies not individuals.

I don't know how many times I've to say Wes Streeting was wrong to comment.
He was.
I agree too with bots perhaos Health isn't the department he should have.
Angela Raynor still gets hammered for using scum as a word for the Cons.

Niamh is also absolutely right.
Dementia is NOT an illness to even think of joking about never mind do so.

Wes Streeting will regret it, in part now because outs there now.
I know Wes, he's always in my view been a decent guy.
However totally wrong here on this.

You can let the Speaker off the hook all you wish.
I repeat however I know of NO Speaker or Deputy Speaker who when engaging with an MP.
Then asks any other MP or MPs from any Party what they've said.

I don't rate this Speaker and haven't since his appointment as arista knows well froom my exchanges with him on Hoyle.

If he cannot hear an MP it's his job he makes sure he does hear from them, and ONLY them not asking others what that MP has said.
So he in effect set Corbyn up himself for more ridicule.

As Deputy Speaker did last week when Corbyn said it was clear he Corbyn lived in Sunak's head it seemed.
However Evans ridiculed him and twisted it to say it was likely Sunak would continue to live in Corbyn's head.

The Speakers are there to be impartial and fair.
This current Speaker and the Deputy Evans are far from it in my view.
Sadly Corbyn remains an object of ridicule.
To way too many in parliament.

Having said that, I was not a personal supporter of Corbyn.
Although yes I was a supporter of most of his policies in 2017 and 2019.

I've never ever altered my thinking on those and hope most of them will find their way I to new policy making too.

I know you like Wes, which is why we're having this discussion (it's not personal against you - hope you understand that's not my intention), but Streeting is now and has always been a snidey fcuking weasel. Bragged about not campaigning for labour, and this is a man that you, as a labour activist, shill for.

It's nothing to do with the speaker at all. I don't disagree with what you're saying. Streeting worked against Corbyn, just because he wanted to fund the NHS, end homelessness, and offer a vision that something better is possible. It's painful to see the labour party and it's operatives protect red tories.

There is no way in hell I will vote for labour, and no one on the actual left, not the pretend labourites, should either. Labour is attacking the government from the right, and you shouldn't want any part of that.

[joeysteele]

I know you like Wes, which is why we're having this discussion (it's not personal against you - hope you understand that's not my intention), but Streeting is now and has always been a snidey fcuking weasel. Bragged about not campaigning for labour, and this is a man that you, as a labour activist, shill for.

It's nothing to do with the speaker at all. I don't disagree with what you're saying. Streeting worked against Corbyn, just because he wanted to fund the NHS, end homelessness, and offer a vision that something better is possible. It's painful to see the labour party and it's operatives protect red tories.

There is no way in hell I will vote for labour, and no one on the actual left, not the pretend labourites, should either. Labour is attacking the government from the right, and you shouldn't want any part of that.


Please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't want a part of.

I do like Streeting but don't suppport him saying this.

I don't really like Corbyn but defended him on here when he was being hammered for antisemitism.
For which I and anyone supporting Labour were called ' terrorist supporting red nazis'.

It's also definitely is something to do with this Speaker.
If an MP is talking to the Speaker.
The Speaker should NEVER bring in another MP or MPs or ask any others what that MP was saying.
This Speaker is hopeless.
Even worse at PMQs.

You must decide yourself if you want to risk this heartless Con party to be in government again .
That's nothing to do with me.

I know my choice and will do what I WANT not what anyone tells me I should.
I'm not going to risk more years under this extremely heartless lot.
There's only one party in this antiquated unrepresentative election system which can best the Cons.

Good luck to you wherever your vote goes.
My vote will never be used to help this heartless lot remain in power.
Not a chance.
Even if Mickey Mouse was leading Labour that's where my support is.
Because I want to see just a bit even of more compassion and fairnes return to governing.

[The Slim Reaper]

Please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't want a part of.

I do like Streeting but don't suppport him saying this.

I don't really like Corbyn but defended him on here when he was being hammered for antisemitism.
For which I and anyone supporting Labour were called ' terrorist supporting red nazis'.

It's also definitely is something to do with this Speaker.
If an MP is talking to the Speaker.
The Speaker should NEVER bring in another MP or MPs or ask any others what that MP was saying.
This Speaker is hopeless.
Even worse at PMQs.

You must decide yourself if you want to risk this heartless Con party to be in government again .
That's nothing to do with me.

I know my choice and will do what I WANT not what anyone tells me I should.
I'm not going to risk more years under this extremely heartless lot.
There's only one party in this antiquated unrepresentative election system which can best the Cons.

Good luck to you wherever your vote goes.
My vote will never be used to help this heartless lot remain in power.
Not a chance.
Even if Mickey Mouse was leading Labour that's where my support is.
Because I want to see just a bit even of more compassion and fairnes return to governing.

I don't vote for right wing parties, Joey. However you want to spin it, labour is a right wing party. If you think swapping one for the other will be of any benefit to the people that actually need a labour government the most, then that is also on your conscience, just as it is on mine. I don't see it as a risk at all, because a party criticising Braverman for not deporting enough foreigners, saying they will be tougher on benefit claimants than the tories, shouting that there are too many foreigners working in the NHS (after the way they died for us during the pandemic), and telling climate protestors to fcuk off, is not a party that will do anything to improve society, and that is all I care about - not party loyalties.

You think the tories are heartless and yet support an anti democratic labour that is fixing it's own elections, and attacking anyone even remotely progressive to pander to tory voters. That's not a party aiming to be better than what we already have. I am not welcome within the labour party, and I'm fed up of being treated like scum by a party founded by people that shared my politics, not streetings or starmers (who has an equally fraught relationship with the truth as Johnson). Labour could well find themselves struggling because of the way they treat the left. Making a tory who called the labour party *****, the labour whip, shows exactly who or what this labour party is all about.

[Gusto Brunt]

What a twat :fist:

:shocked:

[smudgie]

What a twat :fist:

Indeed.:fist:

[joeysteele]

I don't vote for right wing parties, Joey. However you want to spin it, labour is a right wing party. If you think swapping one for the other will be of any benefit to the people that actually need a labour government the most, then that is also on your conscience, just as it is on mine. I don't see it as a risk at all, because a party criticising Braverman for not deporting enough foreigners, saying they will be tougher on benefit claimants than the tories, shouting that there are too many foreigners working in the NHS (after the way they died for us during the pandemic), and telling climate protestors to fcuk off, is not a party that will do anything to improve society, and that is all I care about - not party loyalties.

You think the tories are heartless and yet support an anti democratic labour that is fixing it's own elections, and attacking anyone even remotely progressive to pander to tory voters. That's not a party aiming to be better than what we already have. I am not welcome within the labour party, and I'm fed up of being treated like scum by a party founded by people that shared my politics, not streetings or starmers (who has an equally fraught relationship with the truth as Johnson). Labour could well find themselves struggling because of the way they treat the left. Making a tory who called the labour party *****, the labour whip, shows exactly who or what this labour party is all about.



Sorry to say but I disagree with really all that.
Absolutely.

Still there it is.

I'll have nothing on my conscience if Labour do win.
I'll be far more content.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sorry to say but I disagree with really all that.
Absolutely.

Still there it is.

I'll have nothing on my conscience if Labour do win.
I'll be far more content.

No problem with disagreement at all, Joey, but can you point to any factual errors in the post you disagree with?

[joeysteele]

No problem with disagreement at all, Joey, but can you point to any factual errors in the post you disagree with?

All of it from the start I don't believe Labour is a right wing party.

From that single point I couldn't agree with the rest of your post.
However there's no point to go on.

We are poles apart on your and my perspective of Labour.
I'll never alter your thinking nor you mine.
So a pointless waste of time and energy.

Back to the point of this thread however, I consider Wes Streeting out of order for his comment.
Just as I consider this Speaker's behaviour on it out of order too.
I'll go further, I think Wes should possibly re,-think his position in Health.

Although because he said it about Jeremy Corbyn.
I doubt much will come of it from either the Cons or other Parties or even the media either.
Unfortunately.

[arista]

"labour is a right wing party."


Yes Slim
that how they get in power
after Corbyn,

[The Slim Reaper]

"labour is a right wing party."


Yes Slim
that how they get in power
after Corbyn,

I'm glad you see it, Arista. We've had a right wing party take 12 years to destroy public services, the NHS and our economy. A right wing party may win the next election, but will have no desire to fix any of the things that have been broken.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd6IgAhis8c&t=290s

I recorded Ed Miliband 2015
off the TV, New Labour back then
You can feel his Conflict

£75 billion Ed failed in that interview
Ch4HDnews.

[The Slim Reaper]

Top lad, Wes. Thank god he's not gavin though.

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[The Slim Reaper]

The scum running labour.

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[Niamh.]

omg that's awful :o

[The Slim Reaper]

omg that's awful :o

Seriously, I don't go into details on here because no one really cares :laugh: but people genuinely have no idea how shady the labour party is.

[jet]

We all know he is nuts, so I don’t see the issue.

A terrorist sympathising, anti- semitic, commie nutter to be precise.

[The Slim Reaper]

A terrorist sympathising, anti- semitic, commie nutter to be precise.

Afternoon Jet, nice to see you posting in other places :laugh:

[jet]

Afternoon Jet, nice to see you posting in other places :laugh:

Seeing you are interested in my activity, you can find me on the IAC thread too. :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Seeing you are interested in my activity, you can find me on the IAC thread too. :laugh:

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

All, yes ALL political Parties have their shady characters and sides to them.
Politics across the board in the UK is a corrupt place and has been for some time.

It's really odd those who advocated Corbyn as the second coming don't recall the dismay and hurt and the shady and really bad elements under him which saw even Jewish MPs of long standing leave.

Those slamming Labour now were supporting Labour UNDER Corbyn to the hilt no matter what then.
I supported the Party on policy but never Corbyn.
Plus it was obvious issues were there, serious ones.

I was a member then as now and while I never accepted Labour was riddled with antisemitism there were pockets of it.
Which people dismissed as only getting at Corbyn.

So Labour was likely far shadier then.

The independent inquiry showed the party was not riddled with antisemitism but there were issues.
It also felt the leadership should have acted more strongly as to it.
Which was what I saw in the Party.
As a member I even said on here, had that fully independent inquiry found Labour to be riddled with antisemitism I would certainly leave.

Now as then there are things which still need sorting and anyone who has a PROVEN and serious past set of issues as to anything should be called to account.
It is however rich to now claim Labour is really shady while avoiding the other Parties issues too.
Also unbelievably avoiding Corbyn's time as leader where equally so shady characters and practices ended up being proven to be evident too.

There likely isn't in the World ANY Party without shady characters or things about the Party .
There was under Corbyn in Labour and there will be now still too.
As in ALL UK Parties.
NONE are immune as to that.

Politics needs ripping up and re-setting from a whole new start.
Because under the current system of politics in the UK.
Nothing will ever really change.
In any and all political Parties.

[The Slim Reaper]

All, yes ALL political Parties have their shady characters and sides to them.
Politics across the board in the UK is a corrupt place and has been for some time.

It's really odd those who advocated Corbyn as the second coming don't recall the dismay and hurt and the shady and really bad elements under him which saw even Jewish MPs of long standing leave.

Those slamming Labour now were supporting Labour UNDER Corbyn to the hilt no matter what then.
I supported the Party on policy but never Corbyn.
Plus it was obvious issues were there, serious ones.

I was a member then as now and while I never accepted Labour was riddled with antisemitism there were pockets of it.
Which people dismissed as only getting at Corbyn.

So Labour was likely far shadier then.

The independent inquiry showed the party was not riddled with antisemitism but there were issues.
It also felt the leadership should have acted more strongly as to it.
Which was what I saw in the Party.
As a member I even said on here, had that fully independent inquiry found Labour to be riddled with antisemitism I would certainly leave.

Now as then there are things which still need sorting and anyone who has a PROVEN and serious past set of issues as to anything should be called to account.
It is however rich to now claim Labour is really shady while avoiding the other Parties issues too.
Also unbelievably avoiding Corbyn's time as leader where equally so shady characters and practices ended up being proven to be evident too.

There likely isn't in the World ANY Party without shady characters or things about the Party .
There was under Corbyn in Labour and there will be now still too.
As in ALL UK Parties.
NONE are immune as to that.

Politics needs ripping up and re-setting from a whole new start.
Because under the current system of politics in the UK.
Nothing will ever really change.
In any and all political Parties.

Amazing how quickly folks are prepared to fall in line with right wing lies and smears when they feel a little aggrieved

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We spoke about all this before, and you seemed to understand what had happened, but after a little dispute today you start spewing labour right nonsense. You knew better, once. Corbyn invited the labour right in - with people like Watson, Starmer has purged the left and attacks us more than tories.

[joeysteele]

Amazing how quickly folks are prepared to fall in line with right wing lies and smears when they feel a little aggrieved

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We spoke about all this before, and you seemed to understand what had happened, but after a little dispute today you start spewing labour right nonsense. You knew better, once. Corbyn invited the labour right in - with people like Watson, Starmer has purged the left and attacks us more than tories.



You really are more insulting my integrity now.
No dispute just that I now firmly do NOT agree with you, as vice versa is the case.

I've never altered my view or thinking at all however think what you will.
I'm not entertaining this nonsense.
Right wing thinking doesn't want nationalising of energy, water and railways.
Realism however dictates that would be harder now at this time.
I would support all those things.

Nothing is achieved in opposition, if a Party cannot and doesn't win elections then they can't get anything addressed or done.
I don't take away loyalty easy once I've given it..

I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me.
However I'll do nothing myself to assist this Con Party in any shape or form.

[The Slim Reaper]

You really are more insulting my integrity now.
No dispute just that I now firmly do NOT agree with you, as vice versa is the case.

I've never altered my view or thinking at all however think what you will.
I'm not entertaining this nonsense.
Right wing thinking doesn't want nationalising of energy, water and railways.
Realism however dictates that would be harder now at this time.
I would support all those things.

Nothing is achieved in opposition, if a Party cannot and doesn't win elections then they can't get anything addressed or done.
I don't take away loyalty easy once I've given it..

I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me.
However I'll do nothing myself to assist this Con Party in any shape or form.

No Joey, I'm not. You question your own integrity when instead of having the conversation, you rush to try and bring up stuff that you yourself in the not too distant past, said was false - that wasn't me.

If a party can't win elections on it's principles, then you lose elections and you make the arguments again, you don't change your principles. Because any person that sacrifices principles for power is craven and doesn't have your interest at heart.

Starmer has been given the gift of tory fcuk up after tory fcuk up. He has the opportunity to push a slightly more progressive agenda (you know, the stuff he lied about to get elected) because it is in direct opposition to the tories who are historically unpopular, but he isn't, he's going further and further to the right. He's basically telling everyone he's a more competent tory. If you think it's possible he switches from this, to nationalising energy, then that's fair enough. I remain sceptical, however. Re-nationalisation remains overwhelmingly popular with the gbp due to what is happening at the moment, and he's too much of a coward to stand behind it in this climate, so good luck if you think a new set of front door keys is going to offer different solutions to the tories.

My loyalties are not to Corbyn, it's to his policies and principles. If he came out tomorrow and and said we have too many foreigners in the nhs, and Suella should be deporting more people, then I would have no interest, but you and I both know he would never do that.

[Mystic Mock]

He has gone Joe Biden? That's hard to believe.

[Mystic Mock]

I still don't get why this Speaker even asked any others what Corbyn was saying.
If he couldn't hear him he should have have him raise it privately.
Not bring in other MPs.
I think that was and should be out of order.

This Speaker though in my view is not a good one, he's really poor at keeping order.

That is a fair point.

If anything the Speaker seems to have created disharmony rather than order.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The scum running labour.

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APPARENTLY?

f me are we at this stage?

[joeysteele]

No Joey, I'm not. You question your own integrity when instead of having the conversation, you rush to try and bring up stuff that you yourself in the not too distant past, said was false - that wasn't me.

If a party can't win elections on it's principles, then you lose elections and you make the arguments again, you don't change your principles. Because any person that sacrifices principles for power is craven and doesn't have your interest at heart.

Starmer has been given the gift of tory fcuk up after tory fcuk up. He has the opportunity to push a slightly more progressive agenda (you know, the stuff he lied about to get elected) because it is in direct opposition to the tories who are historically unpopular, but he isn't, he's going further and further to the right. He's basically telling everyone he's a more competent tory. If you think it's possible he switches from this, to nationalising energy, then that's fair enough. I remain sceptical, however. Re-nationalisation remains overwhelmingly popular with the gbp due to what is happening at the moment, and he's too much of a coward to stand behind it in this climate, so good luck if you think a new set of front door keys is going to offer different solutions to the tories.

My loyalties are not to Corbyn, it's to his policies and principles. If he came out tomorrow and and said we have too many foreigners in the nhs, and Suella should be deporting more people, then I would have no interest, but you and I both know he would never do that.

Oh I'll just leave you to what you think.
Frankly I'm not bothered at your questioning my integrity because I know I haven't budged an inch from my thoughts before and I KNOW that.
So my integrity stays intact in my view.

I'm not going to keep going round in circles

[Mystic Mock]

Top lad, Wes. Thank god he's not gavin though.

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Is his favourite character on TWD Negan by any chance?

[joeysteele]

That is a fair point.

If anything the Speaker seems to have created disharmony rather than order.

Yes I agree.

I knew nothing of Streeting's other stuff posted on here which has remarkably appeared after anything up to 7 years to a decade it seems.
However it is really bad if true.
So indefensible and I don't and wouldn't defend it.

This issue with the Speaker who I think is the WRONG choice of Speaker.
Just my view.
He's hopeless at PMQs always on about and joking of sending MPs off for an early cup of tea on the governmeht benches.
Yet NEVER has yet.
He'll throw out SNP and Labour ones though.

He let Johnson ramble on week after week with Johnson asking questions of the Opppsition leader.
With Johnson just ignoring him when he told Johnson it was PM questions not opposition leaders questions to answer.
He was and IS useless at keeping order.

This isn't likely to be the big thing some would like it to be however.
Because the insulting comment was made against Corbyn.

Corbyn is an Independent sitting MP now.
He's disliked by most Labour MPs.
Hated by the Cons and Lib Dems.
Plus the N Irish DUP too.
So because it's Corbyn the Speaker's and Wes Streeting's part in this will be overlooked.

If a Con or Lab or other Party MP was talking to the Speaker and he'd then asked another MP of another Party what they were saying.
The House would be in uproar.
However because it's Corbyn the insulting comment from Streeting would be more cheered and the Speaker's behaviour just accepted.
The Speaker would not have done this if it had been anyone other than Corbyn.
Because Hoyle doesn't like Corbyn either.

[The Slim Reaper]

Who Streeting is has always been known, it hasn't remarkably appeared.