View Full Version : Greta Thunberg takes down Andrew Tate on Twitter
Oliver_W
20-01-2023, 01:39 PM
Urgh.
People can and do debate until the cows come home about being a TERF but in my opinion everyone who cares about... umm... anyone really, even vaguely about humanity, should absolutely be a SWERF.
Hundo per.
Sometimes when I hear earnest and sincere statements in support of things which run contrary to women's interests, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Like, I don't particularly or specifically "identify" as a feminist, but compared to some, I'm practically Germaine Greer :joker:
Niamh.
20-01-2023, 02:00 PM
I think we're all forgetting that sex work is work, and his legitimate (and willing) employees are no different to any other workers who see the bosses pocket most of what they produce.
Some might argue he's a strong femmnist advocate, and he is providing women with empowering work.
depends which branch of feminism of course, radical feminism does not support prostitution
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6E81/production/_128298282_bae98c28c8756d1350f10206ddb7bf6fe81fcb4 d.jpg.webp
Several luxury cars have been seized from British-American influencer Andrew Tate's property in Bucharest.
Mr Tate was detained alongside his brother Tristan last month as part of an investigation into allegations of human trafficking and rape, which they deny.
Cars, including a Rolls-Royce, BMW and Mercedes-Benz were removed from the property on Saturday, Reuters reported.
Mr Tate's lawyer was not immediately available for comment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-64273973
:hehe:
Im not really a fan of super cars, but that's a lovely looking Lambo.
Though, i'd much prefer this car -
https://m.atcdn.co.uk/vms/media/05180cf7126b42a2a77cf1c69b5777ef.jpg
Hundo per.
Sometimes when I hear earnest and sincere statements in support of things which run contrary to women's interests, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Like, I don't particularly or specifically "identify" as a feminist, but compared to some, I'm practically Germaine Greer :joker:
he and his brother were sending pm's to school girls on social media, saying things like Hi beautiful, are you shy?
:skull:
Oliver_W
20-01-2023, 02:44 PM
he and his brother were sending pm's to school girls on social media, saying things like Hi beautiful, are you shy?
:skull:
Christ above...
Influencer Andrew Tate said the case against him was "empty" as he was taken for questioning at Romania's organised crime unit on Wednesday.
He is currently detained alongside his brother Tristan over allegations of rape and human trafficking.
"There is no justice in Romania", Mr Tate said. Tristan Tate added that there was "no evidence" against him.
Police have not yet laid any charges against the brothers, who have been in detention since 29 December.
But last week, a judge extended their custody - and that of the two Romanian women held with them - until 27 February.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64398256
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He's changed his tune :fan:
Niamh.
25-01-2023, 10:36 AM
Influencer Andrew Tate said the case against him was "empty" as he was taken for questioning at Romania's organised crime unit on Wednesday.
He is currently detained alongside his brother Tristan over allegations of rape and human trafficking.
"There is no justice in Romania", Mr Tate said. Tristan Tate added that there was "no evidence" against him.
Police have not yet laid any charges against the brothers, who have been in detention since 29 December.
But last week, a judge extended their custody - and that of the two Romanian women held with them - until 27 February.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64398256
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He's changed his tune :fan:
"No justice in Romania" bahaha that was the draw for him originally wasn't it........
Getting a pair of American-brits held responsible for trafficking in Romania is the perfect result for them. It's unlikely they will drop such an opportunity
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 11:16 AM
Some people still believe there is justice in this country
It’s only when you see injustice first hand that you realise you were wrong
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 11:43 AM
Some people still believe there is justice in this country
It’s only when you see injustice first hand that you realise you were wrong
That's deep bruh.
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 11:58 AM
That's deep bruh.
Best you stay out of deep end or you will get in over your head.
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 12:04 PM
Best you stay out of deep end or you will get in over your head.
That's deeper, bruh.
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 12:06 PM
That's deeper, bruh.
I think you will just about be ok with a foot spar .
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 12:11 PM
I think you will just about be ok with a foot spar .
Foot
https://media4.giphy.com/media/ENkG4zPtIPo7C/giphy.gif
Spar
https://www.gifservice.fr/img/gif-vignette-small/537031e28a1dd8f2f4957bf63bf48961/302830-food-supermarkets-spar.gif
user104658
25-01-2023, 12:12 PM
Some people still believe there is justice in this country
It’s only when you see injustice first hand that you realise you were wrong
Justice for Amber :fist:
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 12:24 PM
Foot
https://media4.giphy.com/media/ENkG4zPtIPo7C/giphy.gif
Spar
https://www.gifservice.fr/img/gif-vignette-small/537031e28a1dd8f2f4957bf63bf48961/302830-food-supermarkets-spar.gif
At least in the shop some one might help you
Niamh.
25-01-2023, 12:25 PM
I'm so confused about what's going on in this thread :laugh2:
Is the Spar still going? Thought that had long gone.
Niamh.
25-01-2023, 12:29 PM
Is the Spar still going? Thought that had long gone.
Spar is huge over here, them and Centra are the two main "mini Supermarket" chains
Crimson Dynamo
25-01-2023, 12:38 PM
We have Spar in Scotland.
Spar is huge over here, them and Centra are the two main "mini Supermarket" chains
We have Spar in Scotland.
We had a couple down here in my town in Kent, but they've long since gone. I've not seen one on my travels for a long time either.
I've seen spar shops in strange european countries :laugh:
Niamh.
25-01-2023, 12:53 PM
I've seen spar shops in strange european countries :laugh:
I've definitely seen them in Spain
I've definitely seen them in Spain
yep, in small villages too, i've seen them in Cyprus as well
Crimson Dynamo
25-01-2023, 01:14 PM
Tate must now start transitioning to a Transwoman so he can get into a woman's prison
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 01:16 PM
Tate must now start transitioning to a Transwoman so he can get into a woman's prison
This is the Spar thread, you need to post this in the tate thread.
Crimson Dynamo
25-01-2023, 01:19 PM
This is the Spar thread, you need to post this in the tate thread.
oops sorry. Can I get 2 Elf Bars and some Rizzlas please?
arista
25-01-2023, 01:23 PM
Why are they Not Charging Tate?
By now the FAT Slob Cop
should have a case
Bollocks Nation Romania is
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 02:05 PM
Why are they Not Charging Tate?
By now the FAT Slob Cop
should have a case
Bollocks Nation Romania is
Because I don’t think they have any evidence
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 02:07 PM
Parents sell their children for sex in Romania
The taxi drivers will bring you the kids boys or girls
arista
25-01-2023, 02:09 PM
Because I don’t think they have any evidence
Let him go
Or Charge him
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 02:28 PM
Parents sell their children for sex in Romania
The taxi drivers will bring you the kids boys or girls
Is that backed up by facts and data, just a feeling, or experience?
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 02:29 PM
Let him go
Or Charge him
They have him for a longer period to collect evidence. Pretty hard to look through mountains of internet evidence in his house, if they let him go back to his house to try and hide any evidence. People being held without charge is not abnormal, especially in complicated cases spanning across Europe.
arista
25-01-2023, 02:32 PM
They have him for a longer period to collect evidence. Pretty hard to look through mountains of internet evidence in his house, if they let him go back to his house to try and hide any evidence. People being held without charge is not abnormal, especially in complicated cases spanning across Europe.
Yes
But before he was arrested
are the sure they had evidence?
By now he should be charged
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 02:48 PM
Is that backed up by facts and data, just a feeling, or experience?
I watched a report on it a little while ago can’t remember what the program was
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 02:49 PM
Yes
But before he was arrested
are the sure they had evidence?
By now he should be charged
Investigations are generally always on-going, even during trials. They don't stop at the point of arrest.
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 02:50 PM
I watched a report on it a little while ago can’t remember what the program was
If you remember what it is, then post it, as I'd be interested in seeing it.
thesheriff443
25-01-2023, 02:53 PM
They have him for a longer period to collect evidence. Pretty hard to look through mountains of internet evidence in his house, if they let him go back to his house to try and hide any evidence. People being held without charge is not abnormal, especially in complicated cases spanning across Europe.
When they raided his house all doors were open they didn’t take or want the security camera footage
The girls at the house keep giving statements but they keep going missing
One girl has said they did what they wanted, went into the city to eat and shopping trips
arista
25-01-2023, 03:03 PM
If you remember what it is, then post it, as I'd be interested in seeing it.
Might have Been A BBC Documentary
Or Ch4
I recall watching it
as well
I can see it now, he'll get off, then make a load of videos saying he defeated the matrix, and that they can't touch him, he's THE top G and all that....Will probably go on to profess he's a God or something, and untouchable
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 03:11 PM
When they raided his house all doors were open they didn’t take or want the security camera footage
The girls at the house keep giving statements but they keep going missing
One girl has said they did what they wanted, went into the city to eat and shopping trips
No one has said they were prisoners. The girls on Epsteins island were theoretically allowed to move around. That's not what the creation of dependence is about, as he outlines in his own words on video.
arista
25-01-2023, 03:18 PM
Investigations are generally always on-going, even during trials. They don't stop at the point of arrest.
Yes but arrest him
knowing you have proper evidence
Yes but arrest him
knowing you have proper evidence
they are a flight risk, and its perfectly normal for them to be detained until charged. The police have been given extra time by a court to investigate. Again, that is a very normal process. The same happens here in the UK all the time
The Slim Reaper
25-01-2023, 03:20 PM
Yes but arrest him
knowing you have proper evidence
Can't just arrest without any evidence at all, so they obviously have some evidence. Why are you so desperate to get it done in 5 minutes?
user104658
25-01-2023, 03:38 PM
When they raided his house all doors were open they didn’t take or want the security camera footage
The girls at the house keep giving statements but they keep going missing
One girl has said they did what they wanted, went into the city to eat and shopping trips
He's accused of "lover boy" style sex trafficking/grooming/exploitation, there's never been any suggestion that he had women locked up or in chains. The chains are psychological. He made them love him and "voluntarily" submissive to him, much like he's done to millions of very confused teenage lads all across the world with his preaching. He's a hair's breadth from being a cult leader.
Actually if you look at the reverence he gets in some communities... he basically is a cult leader.
They adore him and idolise him. That's how MOST pimps control the women they exploit.
user104658
25-01-2023, 03:40 PM
I can see it now, he'll get off, then make a load of videos saying he defeated the matrix, and that they can't touch him, he's THE top G and all that....Will probably go on to profess he's a God or something, and untouchable
Depends on is he had an easy ride while he was locked up or not. He's not actually a "hard man", he's a poser, if he had a rough ride and he gets out I think he'll quietly slink away as he won't want to risk going back.
If he was treated with kid gloves then yes... it'll be worse than ever if he isn't successfully convicted.
I've been told to post this in here.
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Crimson Dynamo
30-01-2023, 06:35 PM
I would not be surprised if he walks away from this, it does seem a little trumped up
I would not be surprised if he walks away from this, it does seem a little trumped upHe's being Julian Assange'd.
Crimson Dynamo
30-01-2023, 10:00 PM
He's being Julian Assange'd.
i get that feeling
:skull:
user104658
30-01-2023, 11:25 PM
Just utter nonsense. The man is guilty of sex trafficking - from his own mouth. He bragged about it. This narrative that "maybe his hoes quite enjoyed it when he hit them in the face" is repulsive. And the posting of messages from people he groomed and exploited as proof of his innocence is maddening. Just such a massive understanding of the mechanisms involved in sex trafficking of young women and girls.
And then to compare him to a political whistle-blower because his basement-dwelling gym bro incel fan base has come up with some ridiculous story about how he's some sort of hero exposing the political elite :facepalm:. Fantasy. An absolute fantasy world. He's never said one word that he didn't read off Reddit first, he's a fraud all round, what exactly is he supposedly exposing?
arista
01-02-2023, 05:16 PM
He (Andrew Tate) was in Court again today
Still No Charges
They plan to hold him in the Police cell
until 27th of Feb.
SkyNewsHD
outside the Romanian Court.
He was in Court again today
Still No Charges
They plan to hold him in the Police cell
until 27th of Feb.
SkyNewsHD
outside the Romanian Court.Julian Assange'd
Not many complaining about people being held without being charged now it's the Tates
Most countries you can't be held more than a day or 2 with no charge, they've been there for a month
Not many complaining about people being held without being charged now it's the Tates
Most countries you can't be held more than a day or 2 with no charge, they've been there for a month
the court extended it to 2 months. Same as courts do here, although we normally max that out at about 2 weeks
the court extended it to 2 months. Same as courts do here, although we normally max that out at about 2 weeks
I think most countries would consider that a pretty big human rights breach. Even if you're being held on terror offences here it wouldn't be allowed to go anywhere near that time
I think most countries would consider that a pretty big human rights breach. Even if you're being held on terror offences here it wouldn't be allowed to go anywhere near that time
i think it's rather satisfying that the Tates moved to Romania because they thought they had the police and legal system in their pockets and could behave as they please without recourse
i think it's rather satisfying that the Tates moved to Romania because they thought they had the police and legal system in their pockets and could behave as they please without recourseI think their point was that they're corrupt and could be bought. Which seems like what we're witnessing here.
i think it's rather satisfying that the Tates moved to Romania because they thought they had the police and legal system in their pockets and could behave as they please without recourse
I can get that sentiment but however much you hate Tate surely people have to admit that this operation is a bit of a shambles at this point lol
Romania are corrupt to the core, the problem with that, as the tates have found out, is that if someone powerful wants to pin something on them, they are toast
Toy Soldier told me the other day that I was wrong when I said that there hadn't been any charges against them. This international lawyer backs me up here and claims Toy Soldier to be wrong.
You keep listening to all the wrong people Toy Soldier and you keep taking in all their disinformation as facts.
When will you listen to and learn from the conspiracy theorists who always turn out to be right?
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Crimson Dynamo
01-02-2023, 09:24 PM
Toy Soldier told me the other day that I was wrong when I said that there hadn't been any charges against them. This international lawyer backs me up here and claims Toy Soldier to be wrong.
You keep listening to all the wrong people Toy Soldier and you keep taking in all their disinformation as facts.
When will you listen to and learn from the conspiracy theorists who always turn out to be right?
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this whole thing stinks to high heaven
user104658
01-02-2023, 11:15 PM
He's being held on charges relating to sex trafficking and exploiting women into performing sex acts on cam sites, and related organised crime charges (probably money laundering and fraud).
He hasn't been formally charged in court because they are still gathering evidence.
That does not mean there aren't charges. The charges he's being held on are those above, there's no mystery, this is publicly available information.
They're being held while the charges are investigated because they are considered a high risk of leaving the country if they're released. This is NOT all that unusual when someone is a flight risk, or a risk of destroying evidence.
The idea that this is a grand political conspiracy is mad. He's a sad reddit Redpill fraudster who believed his own hype too much and flew too close to the sun by bragging about his crimes all over the Internet. How on earth is he anything like Julian Assange? Can you name ONE secret that he's revealed to the world that hadnt been on Reddit forums already for years? Just... One? Do you believe that all of his "matrix" talk was something new?
arista
02-02-2023, 12:47 AM
"He hasn't been formally charged in court
because they are still gathering evidence."
Yes TS
they should have enough by now,
unless they are corrupt?
And making up stuff?
He's being held on charges relating to sex trafficking and exploiting women into performing sex acts on cam sites, and related organised crime charges (probably money laundering and fraud).
He hasn't been formally charged in court because they are still gathering evidence.
That does not mean there aren't charges. The charges he's being held on are those above, there's no mystery, this is publicly available information.
They're being held while the charges are investigated because they are considered a high risk of leaving the country if they're released. This is NOT all that unusual when someone is a flight risk, or a risk of destroying evidence.
The idea that this is a grand political conspiracy is mad. He's a sad reddit Redpill fraudster who believed his own hype too much and flew too close to the sun by bragging about his crimes all over the Internet. How on earth is he anything like Julian Assange? Can you name ONE secret that he's revealed to the world that hadnt been on Reddit forums already for years? Just... One? Do you believe that all of his "matrix" talk was something new?
Maybe I'm being thick but I'm confused by your terminology. What does 'being held on charges' mean?
Surely the usual steps of committing a crime are: arrested on suspicion > charged > face trial > found guilty. You don't need to be charged in court, you get charged just after your arrest? By all accounts the Tates are still at stage one of that process - arrested but not charged. In the UK, you cannot be held without charge for more than 4 days unless you are arrested on terror offences
From the BBC article yesterday:
Police have not yet laid any charges against the brothers, who moved to Romania five years ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64485965
user104658
02-02-2023, 11:53 AM
Maybe I'm being thick but I'm confused by your terminology. What does 'being held on charges' mean?
Surely the usual steps of committing a crime are: arrested on suspicion > charged > face trial > found guilty. You don't need to be charged in court, you get charged just after your arrest? By all accounts the Tates are still at stage one of that process - arrested but not charged. In the UK, you cannot be held without charge for more than 4 days unless you are arrested on terror offences
From the BBC article yesterday:
The idea that they're being held without charges is being used to in other words say "they can't even say what they're holding them for" - this is false, they have said what they're holding them for, they have said what the charges will be if/when charges go ahead, and they have said why they've been detained while the investigation is ongoing.
That it would be illegal in the UK isn't in dispute - he's not in the UK. He (by his own admission, again) chose not to live in the UK or similar specifically because he didn't want to live under UK law - he wanted to live somewhere corrupt where the authorities could be paid off. It seems he was either very wrong, or very right, but not as powerful as he thought. I have limited sympathy in both cases because, again, he specifically CHOSE to live in a country BECAUSE its not under the very laws that wouldn't allow him to be detained. The law in the UK is completely irrelevant.
Here's the judges reasoning;
"Last month a judge extended their detention until the end of February, citing “the capacity … of the defendants to exercise permanent psychological control over their victims, including by resorting to constant acts of violence”."
But you'll hear people saying" they've given no reason for holding them". They have. It's right there. What they're accused of is also clear. As is their flight risk. And again, UK law just isn't relevant.
Now... It is, apparently, in violation of international human rights law to hold someone for longer than 30 days without charges being made official in court (at which point people can be detained/denied bail until trial if they're considered a flight risk or a risk to the public). So the Romanian authorities may be in violation of Human Rights law but - again - that means relatively little unless its unusual for the Romanian authorities to be in violation of that law. Which I doubt it is. Again... There's a reason Tate chose to live there.
Imagine choosing to live in a country because of its reputation for not doing law by the book, getting arrested, and then your followers announcing a grand conspiracy because....... The country isn't doing law by the book. Come onnn. There's been talk for years of them either withdrawing from or being booted from the EU because they fail to comply with EU law. This isn't special treatment for Andrew Tate :facepalm:.
Not least, and it takes a special kind of delusion to believe that Tate is being framed and is not a violent misogynist and a sex trafficker. He's been openly selling himself as that for years. Hint: he describes himself as a literal pimp, frequently. Pimping is sex trafficking!
"Can't believe I've been arrested on suspicion of robbing a bank, this is a conspiracy!" cried Billy Bankrobber into his sacks of stolen cash.
As a standalone concept, is detention for 2 months (at least) without formal charge a questionable thing? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the charges proposed aren't valid, and it also doesn't mean that this is particularly unusual.
Hes a joint UK/US citizen so the government's of either country could make a diplomatic case for his release. I don't see that happening, do you? "Please let the pimp out of jail, those women consented to be trafficked and yeah I've seen the videos of physical abuse but Alf off TiBB says they probably enjoy being abused."
The idea that they're being held without charges is being used to in other words say "they can't even say what they're holding them for" - this is false, they have said what they're holding them for, they have said what the charges will be if/when charges go ahead, and they have said why they've been detained while the investigation is ongoing.
That it would be illegal in the UK isn't in dispute - he's not in the UK. He (by his own admission, again) chose not to live in the UK or similar specifically because he didn't want to live under UK law - he wanted to live somewhere corrupt where the authorities could be paid off. It seems he was either very wrong, or very right, but not as powerful as he thought. I have limited sympathy in both cases because, again, he specifically CHOSE to live in a country BECAUSE its not under the very laws that wouldn't allow him to be detained. The law in the UK is completely irrelevant.
Here's the judges reasoning;
"Last month a judge extended their detention until the end of February, citing “the capacity … of the defendants to exercise permanent psychological control over their victims, including by resorting to constant acts of violence”."
But you'll hear people saying" they've given no reason for holding them". They have. It's right there. What they're accused of is also clear. As is their flight risk. And again, UK law just isn't relevant.
Now... It is, apparently, in violation of international human rights law to hold someone for longer than 30 days without charges being made official in court (at which point people can be detained/denied bail until trial if they're considered a flight risk or a risk to the public). So the Romanian authorities may be in violation of Human Rights law but - again - that means relatively little unless its unusual for the Romanian authorities to be in violation of that law. Which I doubt it is. Again... There's a reason Tate chose to live there.
Imagine choosing to live in a country because of its reputation for not doing law by the book, getting arrested, and then your followers announcing a grand conspiracy because....... The country isn't doing law by the book. Come onnn. There's been talk for years of them either withdrawing from or being booted from the EU because they fail to comply with EU law. This isn't special treatment for Andrew Tate :facepalm:.
Not least, and it takes a special kind of delusion to believe that Tate is being framed and is not a violent misogynist and a sex trafficker. He's been openly selling himself as that for years. Hint: he describes himself as a literal pimp, frequently. Pimping is sex trafficking!
"Can't believe I've been arrested on suspicion of robbing a bank, this is a conspiracy!" cried Billy Bankrobber into his sacks of stolen cash.
As a standalone concept, is detention for 2 months (at least) without formal charge a questionable thing? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the charges proposed aren't valid, and it also doesn't mean that this is particularly unusual.
Hes a joint UK/US citizen so the government's of either country could make a diplomatic case for his release. I don't see that happening, do you? "Please let the pimp out of jail, those women consented to be trafficked and yeah I've seen the videos of physical abuse but Alf off TiBB says they probably enjoy being abused."Where did I say "they probably enjoy being abused?"
I said that it's possible that there was consent, the same as that it's possible there wasn't consent. The videos I posted of the so called victims saying that they were not victims is the only piece of evidence we have so far to answer that one.
Stop lying to try and win the argument, just because you were wrong and your selfish pride will not allow you to admit that.
thesheriff443
02-02-2023, 12:32 PM
My take on this is,
The girls that the police claim are victims have made statements to say they are not but the police are not accepting this and are still try to get them to change their mind and get evidence from them or others to get a case so they can be charged
The idea that they're being held without charges is being used to in other words say "they can't even say what they're holding them for" - this is false, they have said what they're holding them for, they have said what the charges will be if/when charges go ahead, and they have said why they've been detained while the investigation is ongoing.
That it would be illegal in the UK isn't in dispute - he's not in the UK. He (by his own admission, again) chose not to live in the UK or similar specifically because he didn't want to live under UK law - he wanted to live somewhere corrupt where the authorities could be paid off. It seems he was either very wrong, or very right, but not as powerful as he thought. I have limited sympathy in both cases because, again, he specifically CHOSE to live in a country BECAUSE its not under the very laws that wouldn't allow him to be detained. The law in the UK is completely irrelevant.
Here's the judges reasoning;
"Last month a judge extended their detention until the end of February, citing “the capacity … of the defendants to exercise permanent psychological control over their victims, including by resorting to constant acts of violence”."
But you'll hear people saying" they've given no reason for holding them". They have. It's right there. What they're accused of is also clear. As is their flight risk. And again, UK law just isn't relevant.
Now... It is, apparently, in violation of international human rights law to hold someone for longer than 30 days without charges being made official in court (at which point people can be detained/denied bail until trial if they're considered a flight risk or a risk to the public). So the Romanian authorities may be in violation of Human Rights law but - again - that means relatively little unless its unusual for the Romanian authorities to be in violation of that law. Which I doubt it is. Again... There's a reason Tate chose to live there.
Imagine choosing to live in a country because of its reputation for not doing law by the book, getting arrested, and then your followers announcing a grand conspiracy because....... The country isn't doing law by the book. Come onnn. There's been talk for years of them either withdrawing from or being booted from the EU because they fail to comply with EU law. This isn't special treatment for Andrew Tate :facepalm:.
Not least, and it takes a special kind of delusion to believe that Tate is being framed and is not a violent misogynist and a sex trafficker. He's been openly selling himself as that for years. Hint: he describes himself as a literal pimp, frequently. Pimping is sex trafficking!
"Can't believe I've been arrested on suspicion of robbing a bank, this is a conspiracy!" cried Billy Bankrobber into his sacks of stolen cash.
As a standalone concept, is detention for 2 months (at least) without formal charge a questionable thing? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the charges proposed aren't valid, and it also doesn't mean that this is particularly unusual.
Hes a joint UK/US citizen so the government's of either country could make a diplomatic case for his release. I don't see that happening, do you? "Please let the pimp out of jail, those women consented to be trafficked and yeah I've seen the videos of physical abuse but Alf off TiBB says they probably enjoy being abused."
Yeah I appreciate where you're coming from. I only compared to the UK to show how shambolic this investigation is and how unacceptable treating suspects like this is by most international standards.
I get that it's the Tate's so people have limited sympathy but then there's plenty of groups out there that spend most of their time fighting measures like this no matter how unsavoury the suspects are. There's a reason that limits on detention without charge apply universally regardless of the crime committed.
My prediction is that they won't get enough evidence to charge them with the most serious crimes and they'll have to settle for some minor charges instead
Yeah I appreciate where you're coming from. I only compared to the UK to show how shambolic this investigation is and how unacceptable treating suspects like this is by most international standards.
I get that it's the Tate's so people have limited sympathy but then there's plenty of groups out there that spend most of their time fighting measures like this no matter how unsavoury the suspects are. There's a reason that limits on detention without charge apply universally regardless of the crime committed.
My prediction is that they won't get enough evidence to charge them with the most serious crimes and they'll have to settle for some minor charges insteadIf they don't get new evidence then they'll just make up a new law. They want rid of the Tate's or any one else who is a threat to their power. This isn't Romania's doing, this is the deep state controlling this.
It also sends a message out to anyone else who wants to be a threat to their power, that they will lock you up by any means.
user104658
02-02-2023, 01:33 PM
It's difficult to balance out morally because I think the threat that the Tates pose to women, and to the minds of vulnerable or just young men, goes way beyond their direct influence. Truly dangerous individuals peddling a truly dangerous ideology.
They pose absolutely no threat at all to "the deep state" or to systems of power which is why the idea that it's those influences that are trying to get rid of them is especially ridiculous. Can only possibly be believed by those who only encountered the Tates and the false narrative around them in the last 3 to 6 months and have no real idea of what they were all about before that (i.e. aggressive and violent misogyny).
It's difficult to balance out morally because I think the threat that the Tates pose to women, and to the minds of vulnerable or just young men, goes way beyond their direct influence. Truly dangerous individuals peddling a truly dangerous ideology.
They pose absolutely no threat at all to "the deep state" or to systems of power which is why the idea that it's those influences that are trying to get rid of them is especially ridiculous. Can only possibly be believed by those who only encountered the Tates and the false narrative around them in the last 3 to 6 months and have no real idea of what they were all about before that (i.e. aggressive and violent misogyny).Have you not noticed the huge push in society to feminise men. With huge pushes with the LGBT movement and the trans movement and the message that masculinity is toxic?
Feminine men are going to be much easier to control that masculine men and that's what it's all about. So when people like the Tate's come along with their message of promoting masculinity and get a large following, then they're a threat to the agenda.
user104658
02-02-2023, 02:55 PM
Have you not noticed the huge push in society to feminise men. With huge pushes with the LGBT movement and the trans movement and the message that masculinity is toxic?
Feminine men are going to be much easier to control that masculine men and that's what it's all about. So when people like the Tate's come along with their message of promoting masculinity and get a large following, then they're a threat to the agenda.
Real men don't coerce, control and beat up women Alf. If you think that's an example of a good man then you need to give your head a wobble. He's an angry little coward, an abuser, pathetic. He has incel written all over him. He's just done a good job of selling his brand of bitterness to other sad lonely young blokes off the Internet and then used that money and influence to get I to the heads of young boys and to manipulate women for real. Anyone looking up to Andrew Tate as their model of healthy masculinity is in real, real trouble. They're never going to make his money - it's a pyramid scheme so only the ones at the top will make anything. So all you're left with is a bunch of entitled, muscle-bound, whiney young men who are still getting nowhere in life and nowhere with women, getting angrier by the day. Because what attracts women to Tate is his money and his cars. Not his "masculinity", not his attitude, not his gormless overbite.
Real men don't coerce, control and beat up women Alf. If you think that's an example of a good man then you need to give your head a wobble. He's an angry little coward, an abuser, pathetic. He has incel written all over him. He's just done a good job of selling his brand of bitterness to other sad lonely young blokes off the Internet and then used that money and influence to get I to the heads of young boys and to manipulate women for real. Anyone looking up to Andrew Tate as their model of healthy masculinity is in real, real trouble. They're never going to make his money - it's a pyramid scheme so only the ones at the top will make anything. So all you're left with is a bunch of entitled, muscle-bound, whiney young men who are still getting nowhere in life and nowhere with women, getting angrier by the day. Because what attracts women to Tate is his money and his cars. Not his "masculinity", not his attitude, not his gormless overbite.Your personal feelings for the guy don't change the facts that he has a huge following of young men that are seeing his message, a message that goes against the Globalists tactics for achieving dominence over the people by feminising the men. And that's why he's locked up right now.
Your problem is that you put feelings over facts simply because you don't like the facts.
user104658
02-02-2023, 03:32 PM
I also think you're flat out wrong at a basic level if you have your eyes open for even a second. Older "masculine blokes" are usually happy to go with the status quo and comply. Younger what you would call "effeminate" people are more likely to confront systems of power.
And even if you were right - whtmat are these macho men going to do if those in power really do take control? Threaten to give them a good hiding? That'll scare 'em!!
Truth is even in America where half the population is armed, trying to stand up to the government or military would be like firing a peashooter at a freight train. Gruff hairy men' s men with a scowl is the illusion of power. There's no real power in it.
user104658
02-02-2023, 03:34 PM
Your personal feelings for the guy don't change the facts that he has a huge following of young men that are seeing his message, a message that goes against the Globalists tactics for achieving dominence over the people by feminising the men. And that's why he's locked up right now.
Your problem is that you put feelings over facts simply because you don't like the facts.
Alf your problem is that you put online fiction over fact, let alone feelings. Andrew Tate is not a freedom fighter and his message does not create strong men, it creates some of the weakest boys I've ever encountered. Frustrated, lonely and completely at the mercy of their feelings of being outcast and rejected. They're dangerous, but not to the government.
Alf your problem is that you put online fiction over fact, let alone feelings. Andrew Tate is not a freedom fighter and his message does not create strong men, it creates some of the weakest boys I've ever encountered. Frustrated, lonely and completely at the mercy of their feelings of being outcast and rejected. They're dangerous, but not to the government.The fact that you see Andrew Tate as your main danger over the clients of Epstein and Maxwell or the people about to start WWW III tells me that you're way off.
user104658
02-02-2023, 04:18 PM
The fact that you see Andrew Tate as your main danger over the clients of Epstein and Maxwell or the people about to start WWW III tells me that you're way off.
I don't see him as the "main" danger in the world and have never even vaguely suggested that I do. I see him personally as a danger to the women he encounters, and the mindset he encourages to be a danger to pretty much everyone in the long run. Other things also being concerning doesn't negate that concern? If we're talking individuals, for example, I think Elon Musk is ultimately far more dangerous than Tate. What difference does that make? I think lions are more dangerous than pitbulls but I still wouldn't trust a pit bull with my kids.
The Slim Reaper
03-02-2023, 11:39 AM
I'm definitely not a fan of Tate, no siree, I'm just concerned about the judicial process in Romania :laugh:
arista
03-02-2023, 12:01 PM
I'm definitely not a fan of Tate, no siree, I'm just concerned about the judicial process in Romania :laugh:
No Charge
Pathetic Police there
I'm definitely not a fan of Tate, no siree, I'm just concerned about the judicial process in Romania :laugh:
The tates are a dream come true for the Romanian justice system. Look, it's american/uk citizens that are abusing our women, our people would never do such a thing ... no, no, no
Niamh.
03-02-2023, 12:09 PM
No Charge
Pathetic Police there
I mean it's kind of funny because as TS pointed out already that Tate has said that the reason he moved there was because of their sketchy police/justice system, he was more than happy to take advantage of that when it enabled him to do underhand stuff but he never stopped to think that he might end up being the "victim" of it... if I believed in karma that would be it.....
I'm definitely not a fan of Tate, no siree, I'm just concerned about the judicial process in Romania :laugh:I hope you're not suggesting I'm a fan of his. The guy is a prick. He talks complete and utter bollocks and boasts about his wealth and how great he thinks he is.
That said, he's obviously getting this treatment because he's a threat to the regime. Anyone in the know can see that a mile off.
The Slim Reaper
03-02-2023, 12:34 PM
I hope you're not suggesting I'm a fan of his. The guy is a prick. He talks complete and utter bollocks and boasts about his wealth and how great he thinks he is.
That said, he's obviously getting this treatment because he's a threat to the regime. Anyone in the know can see that a mile off.
Your hopes have been realised. I am not suggesting you are a fan of his.
user104658
03-02-2023, 12:41 PM
I hope you're not suggesting I'm a fan of his. The guy is a prick. He talks complete and utter bollocks and boasts about his wealth and how great he thinks he is.
That said, he's obviously getting this treatment because he's a threat to the regime. Anyone in the know can see that a mile off.
In what way is he any sort of "a threat to the regime". You've repeated this claim dozens of times in these threads but can you actually say in what way he's any sort of significant threat to anyone in power? Or have you just read other people saying that he is?
Because to be clear; I too have seen countless people saying the same thing, but still not one good argument for wat makes him a realistic threat to systems of power. Just "Source: Trust me bro. Matrix got him."
user104658
03-02-2023, 12:44 PM
I mean gosh... if anything the man is a Five Star General in the culture wars - which you (much more accurately) also have pointed out is exactly what people in power want going on as a distraction. One minute you're saying Tate is a deliberate red herring/a distraction, the next you're saying he's being "Assanged" to get rid of him.
Why are they cancelling their own red herring?
In what way is he any sort of "a threat to the regime". You've repeated this claim dozens of times in these threads but can you actually say in what way he's any sort of significant threat to anyone in power? Or have you just read other people saying that he is?
Because to be clear; I too have seen countless people saying the same thing, but still not one good argument for wat makes him a realistic threat to systems of power. Just "Source: Trust me bro. Matrix got him."Did I not tell you how yesterday?
I mentioned that the regime wants men feminised while his message to his large following is to promote masculinity. So he has to be stopped.
Same happened to Tommy Robinson when his message to his large following went against the regime.
Or Alex Belfield.
user104658
03-02-2023, 01:13 PM
Because masculine men are going to do ... what ... to systems of power?
Because masculine men are going to do ... what ... to systems of power?What have masculine men done to systems of power throughout history?
user104658
03-02-2023, 01:26 PM
What have masculine men done to systems of power throughout history?
Propped them up for the mostpart Alf. Enforced them both physically and socially.
What a feminine men gonna do against systems of power?
user104658
03-02-2023, 01:33 PM
What a feminine men gonna do against systems of power?
I don't really think I can answer the question other than saying that the ability to question and oppose systems of power has absolutely nothing to do with sex or gender.
Even putting that aside - are you genuinely claiming that Tate's brand of masculinity is teaching young men how to oppose systems of power? It's all about control of women and owning shiny cars. Not one word of it has anything to do with government control, other than the Redpill "matrix" nonsense he started spaffing around a couple of months ago. All of which - every single word - he took from forums and groups that have existed for over a decade. He's said nothing new. Literally not one thing.
user104658
03-02-2023, 01:34 PM
Really though "Gym bro pick up artists are going to take down the government" is one of the more interesting fan faction ideas I've heard recently. We'll file it under "high fantasy" at the library though.
I don't really think I can answer the question other than saying that the ability to question and oppose systems of power has absolutely nothing to do with sex or gender.
Even putting that aside - are you genuinely claiming that Tate's brand of masculinity is teaching young men how to oppose systems of power? It's all about control of women and owning shiny cars. Not one word of it has anything to do with government control, other than the Redpill "matrix" nonsense he started spaffing around a couple of months ago. All of which - every single word - he took from forums and groups that have existed for over a decade. He's said nothing new. Literally not one thing.No, I'm simply saying that the regime whom wants to feminise men, see that Tate has a large following of young, impressionable men and he's preaching to them to be masculine and the regime doesn't want that. So they use their powers to shut him down. That is basically what I'm saying. I don't claim I'm right, it's just what I think.
Oliver_W
03-02-2023, 01:42 PM
What do you mean, by saying the regime wants to feminise men? Who does, and how?
What do you mean, by saying the regime wants to feminise men? Who does, and how?Well kids have been getting taught for years now that masculinity is toxic. And then there's the rise of the new religion of LGBTQ+ which has its flags all over every city. Has its own month or two. Is heavily promoted inside popular culture and now in Schools. So who would be the ones pushing this. The ones putting their money behind it.
user104658
03-02-2023, 02:30 PM
Well kids have been getting taught for years now that masculinity is toxic. And then there's the rise of the new religion of LGBTQ+ which has its flags all over every city. Has its own month or two. Is heavily promoted inside popular culture and now in Schools. So who would be the ones pushing this. The ones putting their money behind it.
Tate doesn't preach masculinity he preaches abuse, a sad and underfoot brand of "poor oppressed little me!" masculinity that is indeed toxic. Not all masculinity is toxic, that's never what the phrase has meant, there's just a brand of it that is and that's exactly the type Tate pushed on young minds. It's not strength though, he pushes a mindset that makes these boys feel anything but strong. It makes them feel weak, frustrated and angry and they then take that out on others.
As for your theory about LGBTQ being promoted to diminish masculinity - that doesn't work either, because currently more than 75% of trans people, especially young trans people, are female to male not male to female. It's actual biological females, pumping themselves full of testosterone to make themselves MORE masculine. And testosterone is much more effective than Male to Female hormones.
If the plan is to make everyone "less masculine" it's not going very well if large numbers of females are literally turning themselves into men is it?
Tate doesn't preach masculinity he preaches abuse, a sad and underfoot brand of "poor oppressed little me!" masculinity that is indeed toxic. Not all masculinity is toxic, that's never what the phrase has meant, there's just a brand of it that is and that's exactly the type Tate pushed on young minds. It's not strength though, he pushes a mindset that makes these boys feel anything but strong. It makes them feel weak, frustrated and angry and they then take that out on others.
As for your theory about LGBTQ being promoted to diminish masculinity - that doesn't work either, because currently more than 75% of trans people, especially young trans people, are female to male not male to female. It's actual biological females, pumping themselves full of testosterone to make themselves MORE masculine. And testosterone is much more effective than Male to Female hormones.
If the plan is to make everyone "less masculine" it's not going very well if large numbers of females are literally turning themselves into men is it?My point wasn't if it was going well or not. My point is that they're locking Tate up because they need to silence him.
This girls dad obviously didn't have the Andrew Tate chat with his daughter.
Maybe you could pm her Toy Soldier and give her the chat yourself?
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user104658
03-02-2023, 08:21 PM
This girls dad obviously didn't have the Andrew Tate chat with his daughter.
Maybe you could pm her Toy Soldier and give her the chat yourself?
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She's just full of hyperbole and nonsense like you though Alf.
"He could be locked up for THREE HUNDRED DAYS!!"
...when he's so far only been locked up about 30 days.
"There is no evidence!!"
There is evidence, at the very least there's his own videos and his own websites which we've all seen. Perhaps there's "not enough evidence", but it's a flat out lie to say "none".
Romanians have a bloody cheek, sending all their traffickers over here and picking on ours when they go over there.
Crimson Dynamo
03-02-2023, 10:38 PM
Romanians have a bloody cheek, sending all their traffickers over here and picking on ours when they go over there.
amen
Jordan.
03-02-2023, 10:46 PM
This girls dad obviously didn't have the Andrew Tate chat with his daughter.
Maybe you could pm her Toy Soldier and give her the chat yourself?
1621453331850829826
His "friends" are just worried about losing the only thing making them slightly relevant on social media.
Mystic Mock
03-02-2023, 10:47 PM
She's just full of hyperbole and nonsense like you though Alf.
"He could be locked up for THREE HUNDRED DAYS!!"
...when he's so far only been locked up about 30 days.
"There is no evidence!!"
There is evidence, at the very least there's his own videos and his own websites which we've all seen. Perhaps there's "not enough evidence", but it's a flat out lie to say "none".
I agree with you that it's at least worthy enough evidence to investigate.
And I personally think that he is guilty as sin, so I would like to see a thorough investigation because of my gut instinct about the case.
She's just full of hyperbole and nonsense like you though Alf.
"He could be locked up for THREE HUNDRED DAYS!!"
...when he's so far only been locked up about 30 days.
"There is no evidence!!"
There is evidence, at the very least there's his own videos and his own websites which we've all seen. Perhaps there's "not enough evidence", but it's a flat out lie to say "none".Straight to dismissing this girls opinion for no other reason but because she's female.
We see the misogyny.
arista
13-02-2023, 02:28 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/13/12/67261737-11744925-Police_officers_escort_Tate_second_left_handcuffed _to_his_brothe-a-6_1676292310456.jpg
[Andrew Tate (handcuffed left) appeared
at the Bucharest court in the beginning of February
with Tristan (handcuffed right)
and two of their alleged female accomplices,
former police officer Luana Radu and
Georgiana Naghel, in a bid to appeal
against a judge's decision to
extend their arrest a second time for 30 days]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11744925/Andrew-Tate-led-prosecutors-office-investigators-scour-laptops-phones-tablets.html
[Andrew Tate and his brother
are led in to Romanian prosecutor's office
as investigators 'scour their laptops,
phones and tablets' in
on-going sex trafficking probe]
if they can't find enough to charge them with after nearly 2 months, they obviously haven't got anything. All they need to do is charge them with 1 offence to "legally" keep them locked up
Are they being held together? Isn't that kinda unheard of? (not that i know anything about how the Romanian legal system works)
Crimson Dynamo
13-02-2023, 05:02 PM
if they can't find enough to charge them with after nearly 2 months, they obviously haven't got anything. All they need to do is charge them with 1 offence to "legally" keep them locked up
i doubt they have anything at all to charge them for
arista
16-02-2023, 09:37 AM
Matt Shea
"The Dangerous Rise Of Andrew Tate"
BBC3HD 10pm- 10:45PM Tuesday 21/2/23
He was on LorraineHD itv
talking about how he got into Tates
group.
I am going to record that
So what's going on with these 2 knobs now then? Still can't believe they're being held together
arista
18-02-2023, 11:51 AM
So what's going on with these 2 knobs now then? Still can't believe they're being held together
Andrew is taking a Lady to court,
[Andrew Tate has threatened legal action
against at least one of the women
making rape and human trafficking
claims against him.
Lawyers for the woman in the US say
a "cease-and-desist"
letter was sent by a US law firm
in December,
on behalf of Andrew Tate
and his brother Tristan.]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64683923
[The letter threatened to sue the woman
and her parents for $300m (£249m) if she
did not retract her statements.]
it seems the tates have been trying to intimidate witnesses with threats of legal action and publishing the names and addresses of them and their relatives online. Nice guys!
So they are using what they can to squirm out of it. Not surprising. Maybe they're not "technically" guilty, but no way did they earn their fortune so quickly without being dodgy as hell.
thesheriff443
18-02-2023, 11:56 AM
it seems the tates have been trying to intimidate witnesses with threats of legal action and publishing the names and addresses of them and their relatives online. Nice guys!
Hold on just a minute
Who is to say this woman is telling the truth
Corruption goes both ways by telling the truth and telling lies.
Hold on just a minute
Who is to say this woman is telling the truth
Corruption goes both ways by telling the truth and telling lies.
isn't that what the justice system is meant to determine? :laugh:
They haven't even been charged yet after 2 months, i don't see any other outcome than them being set free in the near future
thesheriff443
18-02-2023, 12:03 PM
isn't that what the justice system is meant to determine? :laugh:
They haven't even been charged yet after 2 months, i don't see any other outcome than them being set free in the near future
So the nice guy comment was out of order
Being arrogant and out spoken isn’t a crime
arista
18-02-2023, 12:10 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hwxh
This a BBC Radio4
File on 4 on Tate 36mins
I have not had time to hear it
arista
18-02-2023, 12:11 PM
Yes they must Charge him
or kick him out of that nation
So the nice guy comment was out of order
Being arrogant and out spoken isn’t a crime
innocent or guilty, intimidating people online, publishing relatives names and addresses is not cool, i stand by that whether they are ultimately proven innocent or guilty
thesheriff443
18-02-2023, 12:29 PM
innocent or guilty, intimidating people online, publishing relatives names and addresses is not cool, i stand by that whether they are ultimately proven innocent or guilty
So people should be allowed to make accusations that are made public but stay in the shadows themselves.
So people should be allowed to make accusations that are made public but stay in the shadows themselves.
its their families, or is that ok too in your view?
thesheriff443
18-02-2023, 12:58 PM
its their families, or is that ok too in your view?
That happens all the time in America but how has Tate inside a Romanian jail released the details?
Glenn.
18-02-2023, 01:05 PM
So they are using what they can to squirm out of it. Not surprising. Maybe they're not "technically" guilty, but no way did they earn their fortune so quickly without being dodgy as hell.
Definitely.
Even going on the business of scamming incels into buying their pyramid program wouldn’t do it.
arista
21-02-2023, 03:40 PM
Andrew Tate, given Another 30 days in Detention
Tonight BBC3HD 10PM
Documentary from a fella that got into his group.
held for 3 months without charge?
Crimson Dynamo
21-02-2023, 03:59 PM
held for 3 months without charge?
what on earth are the police up to there?
user104658
21-02-2023, 04:02 PM
held for 3 months without charge?
what on earth are the police up to there?
Hjv-hsOlq98
:hehe:
Niamh.
21-02-2023, 04:08 PM
Hjv-hsOlq98
:hehe:
oop
arista
21-02-2023, 06:00 PM
held for 3 months without charge?
Corrupt Police out there
A Romanian court has rejected an appeal by Andrew Tate against his continued detention, ruling that he should remain in custody until 29 March.
The controversial influencer's brother Tristan will also remain in detention.
They are accused of human trafficking, rape and forming an organised crime group, and are being held in pre-charge detention. Both have denied wrongdoing.
Reports in Romania, apparently based on Mr Tate's phone-tapped conversations, had claimed he was a flight risk.
But the court ruled that the brothers should remain in detention on grounds of protecting public order, and removed three other grounds for holding him - including his potential flight risk, or his influence over alleged victims.
Two Romanian women, Georgiana Naghel and Luana Radu - who are associates of the Tates and were allowed to leave custody for house arrest last week - were ordered back into detention.
Before the latest ruling, Mr Tate's lawyer said that his client would not try to evade the Romanian legal system by fleeing abroad.
Mr Tate planned to travel to Dubai if released, but only for medical examinations, his lawyer told the BBC.
Reports in Romania, which outline phone calls allegedly made by the brothers from custody, were thought to have been part of the case made by prosecutors for extending their detention.
Their detention had previously been upheld until 27 February, before being extended for another 30 days. The court upheld that decision on Monday.
One of the Tates' lawyers, Eugen Vidineac, told the BBC that, while the brothers' phone calls in custody were being tapped, nothing they had discussed was illegal.
"There is no flight risk," he said.
"It was a discussion between Andrew and his secretary, saying that - if he was freed by the judges under these conditions - he will go to Dubai [for medical examinations]", he added.
It was not an attempt to escape Romanian justice, he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64789944
user104658
27-02-2023, 11:42 PM
:joker: I was going to go to Dubai to see a doctor and then come straight back, pinkie promise!
how is there no flight risk when he literally said he was going to get on a plane to another country :laugh:
Mystic Mock
28-02-2023, 08:33 AM
:joker: I was going to go to Dubai to see a doctor and then come straight back, pinkie promise!
:joker:
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