Good Black Actor called "Tory Kittles"

[arista]

He was just on a great 2018 Movie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragged_Across_Concrete



On SkyThriller Movies HD


You would think he would change his first name
but I guess little UK
Don't mean much for this good actor.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Tory_Kittles_at_Camp_Conival.jpg/440px-Tory_Kittles_at_Camp_Conival.jpg

[Alf]

There really isn't a need for the word "black" in your title. You only need to describe him as "good actor" You wouldn't describe Daniel day Lewis as "Good White actor"

[arista]

There really isn't a need for the word "black" in your title. You only need to describe him as "good actor" You wouldn't describe Daniel day Lewis as "Good White actor"


WHY



He is a Good Black Actor


It is because his Family that named him
were Black,
he is in this mess of a Conservative Party in the UK,
first name



I ain't Racist
I ain't Woke

[GoldHeart]

There really isn't a need for the word "black" in your title. You only need to describe him as "good actor" You wouldn't describe Daniel day Lewis as "Good White actor"

For once I agree

[Alf]

WHY



He is a Good Black Actor


It is because his Family that named him
were Black,
he is in this mess of a Conservative Party in the UK,
first name



I ain't Racist
I ain't Woke I know you're not racist. I never said you was. I was just pointing out to you that there's no such thing as a "Black actor" or a "White actor" An actor is just an actor.

[Alf]

For once I agreeWell that's a good start to the year.

I'll have you on the Trump train by the summertime at this rate.

[GoldHeart]

Well that's a good start to the year.

I'll have you on the Trump train by the summertime at this rate.

Don't get carried away

But when it comes to politics ,I'm becoming more & more centrist , as both sides p1ss me off .

[arista]

Don't get carried away

But when it comes to politics ,I'm becoming more & more centrist , as both sides p1ss me off .


Yes many are getting that way


Many Will Now Not Vote



The In or Out Referendum of 2016
was won by folks that have never
voted before now

[Mystic Mock]

There really isn't a need for the word "black" in your title. You only need to describe him as "good actor" You wouldn't describe Daniel day Lewis as "Good White actor"

Ew! White people.:hehe:

Being serious though I agree with you.

[Mystic Mock]

WHY



He is a Good Black Actor


It is because his Family that named him
were Black,
he is in this mess of a Conservative Party in the UK,
first name



I ain't Racist
I ain't Woke

Thankfully.

I swear the racists and the woke people are just as bad as each other when it comes to intolerance.

[The Slim Reaper]

Thankfully.

I swear the racists and the woke people are just as bad as each other when it comes to intolerance.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb4tLyIXkAElQSu.jpg

[Alf]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/eb4tlyixkaelqsu.jpg1609887840011182080

[The Slim Reaper]

1609887840011182080

Not Lt in his match day get up? Hope you had a good Christmas and NY, compadre.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"He's not my favourite actor of all time by the way. No, my favourite actor of all time... is
Mr Sidney Poitier."

[GoldHeart]

Thankfully.

I swear the racists and the woke people are just as bad as each other when it comes to intolerance.

Now you know why I'm more centrist

[The Slim Reaper]

Now you know why I'm more centrist

My post?

[James]

He was just on a great 2018 Movie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragged_Across_Concrete



On SkyThriller Movies HD


You would think he would change his first name
but I guess little UK
Don't mean much for this good actor.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Tory_Kittles_at_Camp_Conival.jpg/440px-Tory_Kittles_at_Camp_Conival.jpg

I've just realised this isn't Denzel Washington.

I was very confused.

[arista]

I've just realised this isn't Denzel Washington.

I was very confused.


Tory works just as hard
that 2018 Movie
is great.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Dragged_Across_Concrete_poster.jpg

[Alf]

Tory works just as hard
that 2018 Movie
is great.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Dragged_Across_Concrete_poster.jpgA 6.9 score on Imdb. It can't be that great

[arista]

Neo-Noir crime thriller film

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've just realised this isn't Denzel Washington.

I was very confused.

https://media.tenor.com/ZLC2J_zg5HAAAAAC/thats-racist-kid.gif

[Mystic Mock]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb4tLyIXkAElQSu.jpg

Fair enough.:laugh:

Seriously though both sides are awful, there isn't such a thing as good racism or good wokeism (if that's a word)

[The Slim Reaper]

Fair enough.:laugh:

Seriously though both sides are awful, there isn't such a thing as good racism or good wokeism (if that's a word)

The problem, is that they are both constructs coming from the exact same side. "wokeness" started off as a tongue-in-cheek approach to black people knowing their own history. "stay woke." It then became a word used to describe opposition to anything.

You think trans people should be treated with respect? You're woke.
You think masks and vaccines were a good idea? You're woke
You think a policeman kneeling on the neck of a black man and killing him isn't a good thing? Well, you've guessed it - you're woke.

No one calls themselves woke, it is only used by those wishing to diminish or restrict the freedoms of others, to dismiss opposition without explanation or justification.

The government doesn't win a court case - that's because of woke lawyers. You get the picture.

To hold up racism and anti-racism (which is also woke these days) as equally bad concepts, doesn't really make a lot of sense. If WW2 were happening today, then churchill would be woke. Don't fall for stupid, meaningless propagandistic labelling.

[GoldHeart]

The problem, is that they are both constructs coming from the exact same side. "wokeness" started off as a tongue-in-cheek approach to black people knowing their own history. "stay woke." It then became a word used to describe opposition to anything.

You think trans people should be treated with respect? You're woke.
You think masks and vaccines were a good idea? You're woke
You think a policeman kneeling on the neck of a black man and killing him isn't a good thing? Well, you've guessed it - you're woke.

No one calls themselves woke, it is only used by those wishing to diminish or restrict the freedoms of others, to dismiss opposition without explanation or justification.

The government doesn't win a court case - that's because of woke lawyers. You get the picture.

To hold up racism and anti-racism (which is also woke these days) as equally bad concepts, doesn't really make a lot of sense. If WW2 were happening today, then churchill would be woke. Don't fall for stupid, meaningless propagandistic labelling.

No
woke no longer means wanting equality & respect, now when I think of woke ...I think of self entitled people demanding others to do what they say .

Wokeism is now shoving agenda's down people's throats, and if you dare question or disagree then you're 'cancelled' & a 'bad person ' .

[The Slim Reaper]

No
woke no longer means wanting equality & respect, now when I think of woke ...I think of self entitled people demanding others to do what they say .

Wokeism is now shoving agenda's down people's throats, and if you dare question or disagree then you're 'cancelled' & a 'bad person ' .

You can think of whatever you want, but like Mock, it doesn't make it true.

So go on then, who has actually been cancelled? Name them, and lets have a look at it.

Your previous comment is the perfect example of how I explained it. You call yourself more centrist now (which is perfectly fine if that's how you feel about things).

But when it comes to politics ,I'm becoming more & more centrist , as both sides p1ss me off



Nothing wrong with changing your political opinions, but to me, the reasoning is a really weird buy in of the propaganda I spoke about. We've spoken before about you supporting Corbyn, so let me put this back into political terms for you.

I used to support a fully funded NHS, a fairer tax system, and an end to homelessness, but now I'm a neoliberal who supports part privatisation of the NHS, and a continuation of unfair tax policy, because the left shows more support for trans people (even though age is perhaps a bigger indicator).

Like I said, have whatever opinions you like - it's none of my business, but using right wing words to define left wing politics into only being about wokeness, is the exact aim of right wing politics to dismiss better solutions.

Be centrist, be far right, be anything you want, but if you're changing your whole political philosophy because you don't like a specific group of people, and nor do you like being held accountable for that dislike, then that is stupid, and non-political, which was the premise of my last post that you disagreed with.

[bots]

a word means what people think it means in common usage, so everyone is right as it happens

[The Slim Reaper]

a word means what people think it means in common usage, so everyone is right as it happens

It's not about the definition of a word, it's about the propagandistic use of a word to tell people what to think about a political philosophy.

Woke has been redefined to mean - against things that a different group thinks that everyone should feel.


To be fair to the right, it's been completely effective so that pretty much everything these days is woke, as It's being used as a pejorative to describe those who oppose the status quo.

We both know that asking a number of different people what woke means would illicit numerous different explanations, depending on political/social leanings, which disagrees with your "everyone is right" point.

[Oliver_W]

I generally take the view that all "active participants" are the bad eggs. Being generically against the isms and phobias isn't woke, it's basically the standard.

There's a difference between blaming the arresting police officer when Fentalyn Floyd passed away when he was trying to apprehend him, and using a man's death as an excuse to spend several months rioting.

[Beso]

So good black isnt the name of the programme hes in!

[Quantum Boy]

It's not about the definition of a word, it's about the propagandistic use of a word to tell people what to think about a political philosophy.

Woke has been redefined to mean - against things that a different group thinks that everyone should feel.


To be fair to the right, it's been completely effective so that pretty much everything these days is woke, as It's being used as a pejorative to describe those who oppose the status quo.

I think you're proving the point more than disproving it really -- yes, the word has been sarcastically hijacked by people-of-a-certain-leaning and is fired off as a flippant insult in certain circumstances, by those certain people. The suggestion that that fully sums up what's meant when people say it completely lacks any nuance and is just inaccurate. We know what your Piers Morgans and Andrew Tates mean when they say it, but that's not automatically what it means in all cicumstances. There is a mindset that I can quickly summarise as "woke" and people who I regularly converse with would know what I mean; what you could call "tribal" or "retaliatory" wokeism, I suppose. It follows almost identical social structures as the "opposing side" and that's where I can see what people mean by it all being the same.

To sum it up as VERY briefly as I can - it's social justice without individual rationalisation. If someone can raise a social justice point and explain it in terms that make it clear that THEY understand what they're saying and the reasoning behind it, that is not "woke". If someone stating the exact same point or concept clearly does NOT have an individual unserstanding of what they're parroting, and are simply copy/pasting rhetoric from other people "who think like they do" - that's what I'd call "being woke" personally. Holding a stance of moral superiority but being unable to intellectually justify it without resorting to using other people's words - i.e. being on the "right side" because one has been told "this is the right side, say it with me!" and not because of... well... thinking using their brain.

It actually has little if anything to do with who is right or wrong.

And (of course) the exact same thing prevails on the other side too... people pompously sneering out Jordan peterson rhetoric when they have, clearly, literally no idea what they're talking about.

We both know that asking a number of different people what woke means would illicit numerous different explanations, depending on political/social leanings, which disagrees with your "everyone is right" point.

A strange thing to admit two sentences after trying to offer a definitive and insistant meaning of the word? You said it's been "redefined to mean" but then in this quoted part it seems that you're well aware that this isn't true, it hasn't been redefined, as words are rarely redefined; they gain additional definitions. What you describe as the "redefinition" of the word above is 100% certainly the way that some people choose to weaponise the word but that doesn't make it the only or de facto accepted definition of the word.

Of course the same issue prevails here that's weighed heavily on this forum for years; a dogged denial that the same FUNCTIONAL issues exist in the "mass social discussion" for both the left & right. A tedious, predictable back-and-forth of NPC's with little to zero reasoning and frankly zero intent or interest in providing any reasoning ... because they have none. They have a shuffledeck of other people's opinions.

[Beso]

In your opinion..

[The Slim Reaper]

I think you're proving the point more than disproving it really -- yes, the word has been sarcastically hijacked by people-of-a-certain-leaning and is fired off as a flippant insult in certain circumstances, by those certain people. The suggestion that that fully sums up what's meant when people say it completely lacks any nuance and is just inaccurate. We know what your Piers Morgans and Andrew Tates mean when they say it, but that's not automatically what it means in all cicumstances. There is a mindset that I can quickly summarise as "woke" and people who I regularly converse with would know what I mean; what you could call "tribal" or "retaliatory" wokeism, I suppose. It follows almost identical social structures as the "opposing side" and that's where I can see what people mean by it all being the same.

To sum it up as VERY briefly as I can - it's social justice without individual rationalisation. If someone can raise a social justice point and explain it in terms that make it clear that THEY understand what they're saying and the reasoning behind it, that is not "woke". If someone stating the exact same point or concept clearly does NOT have an individual unserstanding of what they're parroting, and are simply copy/pasting rhetoric from other people "who think like they do" - that's what I'd call "being woke" personally. Holding a stance of moral superiority but being unable to intellectually justify it without resorting to using other people's words - i.e. being on the "right side" because one has been told "this is the right side, say it with me!" and not because of... well... thinking using their brain.

It actually has little if anything to do with who is right or wrong.

And (of course) the exact same thing prevails on the other side too... people pompously sneering out Jordan peterson rhetoric when they have, clearly, literally no idea what they're talking about.



A strange thing to admit two sentences after trying to offer a definitive and insistant meaning of the word? You said it's been "redefined to mean" but then in this quoted part it seems that you're well aware that this isn't true, it hasn't been redefined, as words are rarely redefined; they gain additional definitions. What you describe as the "redefinition" of the word above is 100% certainly the way that some people choose to weaponise the word but that doesn't make it the only or de facto accepted definition of the word.

Of course the same issue prevails here that's weighed heavily on this forum for years; a dogged denial that the same FUNCTIONAL issues exist in the "mass social discussion" for both the left & right. A tedious, predictable back-and-forth of NPC's with little to zero reasoning and frankly zero intent or interest in providing any reasoning ... because they have none. They have a shuffledeck of other people's opinions.

Firstly, good to see you back and I hope you're ok. You got a little crazily obsessed and unhinged towards the end there, so I hope the break has done you good. That's not being a smart arse or to try and put you down/sneak diss, it happens to all of us, so I hope you take it in the genuine way in which I meant it, and that you have a good 23.

So, the first thing that sticks out is the acknowledgement of what I'm referring when I describe the propagandistic explanation for woke/wokeism. So then on the other side of that, please point out the journalists, the newspapers, the tv personalities, or anyone other than your circle of friends that knows exactly what you're on about, and use the word in the nuanced way you suggest.

That's without the telepathy required to know whether or not someone understands the cause they claim to be progressing, is yet another hoop that needs to be jumped through to conform to your definition. It's seems to be more of what you think it should be, than a generally accepted view.

The very first line in that post is

It's not about the definition of a word, it's about the propagandistic use of a word to tell people what to think about a political philosophy.

The rest of that paragraph is basically you tying yourself in knots, so lets go back. On the previous page, I explained that "stay woke" was initially a black description of being aware of their own history. Do you agree with that? Obviously there are other nuances at play, but as a general descriptor? So then, again, is that the way woke/wokeism is used today? Is it's use in media and on tv, and even on this forum, the pejorative, propagandistic one, or the original one?

The last paragraph is more of a rant that i'm not sure makes a lot of sense to me.

To explain again, my view on wokeism is that it is a primarily right wing culture war. There is no need for the dance and telepathy.

The world is has been screwed by the right wing status quo - capitalist/conservatives. The wealth inequality is growing exponentially, people are dying waiting for ambulances, so there is a definite need to keep left wing idea out of the mainstream because they would appeal.

If you ask a non leftist on the street, about leftist politics, what do you think would be the first one or two things they would say to describe what leftism is?

Do you think woke would come up before holiday pay. maternity/paternity pay, safe working environments, fairer tax system, investing in communities, social programs?

I think we both know that telepathy isn't required to answer that honestly.

I'm not even mad. The right are absolutely killing it at the moment (literally and figuratively) and they've done a great job with this culture war, so that even the leader of the opposition regularly has to attack them from the right.

[Redway]

There really isn't a need for the word "black" in your title. You only need to describe him as "good actor" You wouldn't describe Daniel day Lewis as "Good White actor"

.

[Mystic Mock]

The problem, is that they are both constructs coming from the exact same side. "wokeness" started off as a tongue-in-cheek approach to black people knowing their own history. "stay woke." It then became a word used to describe opposition to anything.

You think trans people should be treated with respect? You're woke.
You think masks and vaccines were a good idea? You're woke
You think a policeman kneeling on the neck of a black man and killing him isn't a good thing? Well, you've guessed it - you're woke.

No one calls themselves woke, it is only used by those wishing to diminish or restrict the freedoms of others, to dismiss opposition without explanation or justification.

The government doesn't win a court case - that's because of woke lawyers. You get the picture.

To hold up racism and anti-racism (which is also woke these days) as equally bad concepts, doesn't really make a lot of sense. If WW2 were happening today, then churchill would be woke. Don't fall for stupid, meaningless propagandistic labelling.

I agree with you that the word woke is wrongly used in a lot of those situations that you've mentioned above.

I think it's when it comes to more trivial areas of our lives does the woke mindset come into play, and speaking for myself when I'm playing a Video Game or watching a TV Show, I want to be entertained/unwind a little bit, rather than be told that I'm prejudiced in some way for not liking the product for being too woke.

And personally I don't like how Satire is dead because apparently it's "punching down" to go for certain groups, when personally I see it as that every group is open for Satirical takes, including groups that I belong to as well just to clarify that I'm not a hypocrite.

But wanting to have basic Human Rights for certain communities isn't woke, and the George Floyd incident again isn't woke if you're horrified by what happened.

Basically for me personally, I just feel a bit mentally drained by both the racists and the woke for totally different reasons.

[Mystic Mock]

No
woke no longer means wanting equality & respect, now when I think of woke ...I think of self entitled people demanding others to do what they say .

Wokeism is now shoving agenda's down people's throats, and if you dare question or disagree then you're 'cancelled' & a 'bad person ' .

That is also a big issue with the woke community.

They're not a very forgiving bunch.

[Beso]

Theres a lot of pigeon holes being filed in here.

[Mystic Mock]

Firstly, good to see you back and I hope you're ok. You got a little crazily obsessed and unhinged towards the end there, so I hope the break has done you good. That's not being a smart arse or to try and put you down/sneak diss, it happens to all of us, so I hope you take it in the genuine way in which I meant it, and that you have a good 23.

So, the first thing that sticks out is the acknowledgement of what I'm referring when I describe the propagandistic explanation for woke/wokeism. So then on the other side of that, please point out the journalists, the newspapers, the tv personalities, or anyone other than your circle of friends that knows exactly what you're on about, and use the word in the nuanced way you suggest.

That's without the telepathy required to know whether or not someone understands the cause they claim to be progressing, is yet another hoop that needs to be jumped through to conform to your definition. It's seems to be more of what you think it should be, than a generally accepted view.

The very first line in that post is



The rest of that paragraph is basically you tying yourself in knots, so lets go back. On the previous page, I explained that "stay woke" was initially a black description of being aware of their own history. Do you agree with that? Obviously there are other nuances at play, but as a general descriptor? So then, again, is that the way woke/wokeism is used today? Is it's use in media and on tv, and even on this forum, the pejorative, propagandistic one, or the original one?

The last paragraph is more of a rant that i'm not sure makes a lot of sense to me.

To explain again, my view on wokeism is that it is a primarily right wing culture war. There is no need for the dance and telepathy.

The world is has been screwed by the right wing status quo - capitalist/conservatives. The wealth inequality is growing exponentially, people are dying waiting for ambulances, so there is a definite need to keep left wing idea out of the mainstream because they would appeal.

If you ask a non leftist on the street, about leftist politics, what do you think would be the first one or two things they would say to describe what leftism is?

Do you think woke would come up before holiday pay. maternity/paternity pay, safe working environments, fairer tax system, investing in communities, social programs?

I think we both know that telepathy isn't required to answer that honestly.

I'm not even mad. The right are absolutely killing it at the moment (literally and figuratively) and they've done a great job with this culture war, so that even the leader of the opposition regularly has to attack them from the right.

Reading this post really reminds me of how much the Tories have ruined this country.

Edit... When you were talking about certain issues, not a personal attack on you Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

That is also a big issue with the woke community.

They're not a very forgiving bunch.

Yo. Do you have an example of what you're on about? Something that you've done that's stirred up the ire of "leftists", and that you haven't been forgiven for?

[The Slim Reaper]

Reading this post really reminds me of how much the Tories have ruined this country.

Edit... When you were talking about certain issues, not a personal attack on you Slim.

Why would I think that's an attack on me? You're basically agreeing with me about how bad conservatism has been :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Yo. Do you have an example of what you're on about? Something that you've done that's stirred up the ire of "leftists", and that you haven't been forgiven for?

Not me personally.

I think it's just when I've seen the Twitter crowd get riled up about certain things that people say or do it's kind of pisses me off tbh.

Like that one time someone drew the Scooby-Doo characters on there, and then some idiot told them that "representation matters" and started making certain characters look totally different just to be more "diverse."

But tbh my biggest beef is still with the right wing publications on how they treated Caroline Flack before she died.

[Mystic Mock]

Why would I think that's an attack on me? You're basically agreeing with me about how bad conservatism has been :laugh:

I was just worried that I had worded it badly, and made it look like an attack on you personally.:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Not me personally.

I think it's just when I've seen the Twitter crowd get riled up about certain things that people say or do it's kind of pisses me off tbh.

Like that one time someone drew the Scooby-Doo characters on there, and then some idiot told them that "representation matters" and started making certain characters look totally different just to be more "diverse."

But tbh my biggest beef is still with the right wing publications on how they treated Caroline Flack before she died.

Do you see what I mean? you don't have to agree with me, but do you at least see my point?

You said wokesists were as bad as racists, I ask for an example, and you said not you, but a couple of people on twitter.

Do you see how uneven those issues are?

Not having a go or trying to belittle you, but does this at least provide an example for how overblown the "dangers of wokeism" are versus the reality of what is being done to the world?

I agree about Ms Flack - Dan Wooton was rewarded for that by being given his own right wing TV show to spew more hate, so taking that into consideration, do you still consider wokeism/bigotry as 2 sides of the same coin?

[The Slim Reaper]

I was just worried that I had worded it badly, and made it look like an attack on you personally.:laugh:

It's all good dude, I hope you have the same understanding when it comes to my post replying to you above this one. Nothing personal, just trying to make a point.

[Oliver_W]

ContraPoints has been victim to several hatemobs for various milquetoast takes in her videos, by her left wing fans. JK Rowling hasn't been forgiven for saying that sex is real. Nostalgia Chick got bullied to the point of withdrawing from the internet for comparing the then-latest product excreted by Disney (Raya something Dragon Whatever) to Avatar Last Airbender.

All three were targetted by people who are/were their fans, and left wingers.

But anyway, Twitter is a cesspit, and everyone on it sucks, to some degree :laugh: but there are three examples of people I Iike, being victim to angry terminally online lefties.

[GoldHeart]

ContraPoints has been victim to several hatemobs for various milquetoast takes in her videos, by her left wing fans. JK Rowling hasn't been forgiven for saying that sex is real. Nostalgia Chick got bullied to the point of withdrawing from the internet for comparing the then-latest product excreted by Disney (Raya something Dragon Whatever) to Avatar Last Airbender.

All three were targetted by people who are/were their fans, and left wingers.

But anyway, Twitter is a cesspit, and everyone on it sucks, to some degree :laugh: but there are three examples of people I Iike, being victim to angry terminally online lefties.

I still don't understand why contrapoints got hate ,but I'll admit I don't watch her videos ...I've only seen one of her videos I think. But I thought she was left wing and seen as 'woke' .

And I'm glad you mentioned JK Rowling ,I was just about to do the same thing. The floods of hate especially online that she got ....was disgusting . And her own franchise of HP has basically tried erase her which is nonsensical ,when she created Harry Potter in the first place :crazy: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

JK has reinvented herself as the Queen of common sense and she is a brave lady :clap2:

took on and destroyed the young woke kids trying to find importance in a world (online and anon) that sees them as weak and unpopular

[Oliver_W]

I still don't understand why contrapoints got hate ,but I'll admit I don't watch her videos ...I've only seen one of her videos I think. But I thought she was left wing and seen as 'woke' .

Contra is very left wing, but too smart and introspective to really be classified as "woke".

As for why she's been cancelled? God knows. It's happened a few times now.

[GoldHeart]

Contra is very left wing, but too smart and introspective to really be classified as "woke".

As for why she's been cancelled? God knows. It's happened a few times now.

It seems you only have to cough the wrong way ,and you're instantly cancelled these days. It's ridiculous:rolleyes: .

[The Slim Reaper]

XkCBhKs4faI

[Crimson Dynamo]

one of the unfunniest "comedians" alive

quite some feat

[The Slim Reaper]

I'll pass your feedback on, LT. I'm sure he'll be gutted :laugh:

[Beso]

Scotland wants to start calling paedophiles, 'minor attracted persons'

Just wondering if that's wokism?

[GoldHeart]

Scotland wants to start calling paedophiles, 'minor attracted persons'

Just wondering if that's wokism?

Don't get me started on the whole MAPS grotesque thing .

[Alf]

Grim sleeper has taken this thread off topic with his wokery nonsense.

Delete his posts and infract him

[Mystic Mock]

Do you see what I mean? you don't have to agree with me, but do you at least see my point?

You said wokesists were as bad as racists, I ask for an example, and you said not you, but a couple of people on twitter.

Do you see how uneven those issues are?

Not having a go or trying to belittle you, but does this at least provide an example for how overblown the "dangers of wokeism" are versus the reality of what is being done to the world?

I agree about Ms Flack - Dan Wooton was rewarded for that by being given his own right wing TV show to spew more hate, so taking that into consideration, do you still consider wokeism/bigotry as 2 sides of the same coin?

Admittedly I did exaggerate it a little bit about how bad woke stuff can be, especially when thinking about that they're more of a danger to entertainment related things rather than people's actual lives.

So basically I can see where you're coming from.

And I honestly can't believe that Dan Wooton got rewarded for his treatment towards Caroline Flack, and the sad thing is that he hasn't learned anything from that incident.

[Mystic Mock]

It's all good dude, I hope you have the same understanding when it comes to my post replying to you above this one. Nothing personal, just trying to make a point.

Oh I understood where you were coming from.

[Alf]

Oh I understood where you were coming from.You're alone on that one.

I can't understand the geezer.

[thesheriff443]

Only arista can get a three page thread by adding the word black.

[Mystic Mock]

Scotland wants to start calling paedophiles, 'minor attracted persons'

Just wondering if that's wokism?

That group should be put in jail imo, regardless of what name that they want to go by.

[Mystic Mock]

You're alone on that one.

I can't understand the geezer.

:laugh:

[GoldHeart]

That group should be put in jail imo, regardless of what name that they want to go by.

You would think so

But there was one of these 'maps' openly saying they're not a threat to children .

[GoldHeart]

Admittedly I did exaggerate it a little bit about how bad woke stuff can be, especially when thinking about that they're more of a danger to entertainment related things rather than people's actual lives.

So basically I can see where you're coming from.

And I honestly can't believe that Dan Wooton got rewarded for his treatment towards Caroline Flack, and the sad thing is that he hasn't learned anything from that incident.

Dan Wooten is and has always been a greasy goblin , he's vile .

I don't think you exaggerated the woke stuff atall, it's got to the stage now where we've gone so far left with ideaology ...that it's gotten delusional & ridiculous .

But I've made my views clear on the right wing especially the far right , they're crazy and I will never agree with them on everything.

But I've found myself agreeing more & more with the average conservative /moderate right wing , because of how crazy the other side has gone .

[Mystic Mock]

Dan Wooten is and has always been a greasy goblin , he's vile .

I don't think you exaggerated the woke stuff atall, it's got to the stage now where we've gone so far left with ideaology ...that it's gotten delusional & ridiculous .

But I've made my views clear on the right wing especially the far right , they're crazy and I will never agree with them on everything.

But I've found myself agreeing more & more with the average conservative /moderate right wing , because of how crazy the other side has gone .

I agree with you about Dan Wooton, he is a disgrace.

I don't know if this is classed as woke (but it's definitely criminal) would you class this woman pouring Bleach down a man's crotch on a crowded Train as far left/woke ideology? Because it's the only criminal offence that I can think of that might be motivated with that kinda thought process, which admittedly is one too many if that's the case.

And I agree with you on the far right, their viewpoints are too extreme for me, especially when it comes to black people or women getting anything positive, they'll have a fit about it.

[GoldHeart]

I agree with you about Dan Wooton, he is a disgrace.

I don't know if this is classed as woke (but it's definitely criminal) would you class this woman pouring Bleach down a man's crotch on a crowded Train as far left/woke ideology? Because it's the only criminal offence that I can think of that might be motivated with that kinda thought process, which admittedly is one too many if that's the case.

And I agree with you on the far right, their viewpoints are too extreme for me, especially when it comes to black people or women getting anything positive, they'll have a fit about it.

Now i remember that insane story, was it ACTUALLY bleach???.... i heard that might have been clickbaity . But i remember being shocked when i heard about it . It was in a water bottle wasn't it??.
As for the woke ideaology , i think the nutty unhinged ones would probably applaud her .... so yeah things are bleak now.

But that's not to be confused with the normal feminists who would not support this . See even that word 'feminism' has become something else now which is really sad.

Weirdly the far left & far right have alot in common despite being polar opposites, both will never step down and both will never listen to reason ... so yeah crazy .

[Mystic Mock]

Now i remember that insane story, was it ACTUALLY bleach???.... i heard that might have been clickbaity . But i remember being shocked when i heard about it . It was in a water bottle wasn't it??.
As for the woke ideaology , i think the nutty unhinged ones would probably applaud her .... so yeah things are bleak now.

But that's not to be confused with the normal feminists who would not support this . See even that word 'feminism' has become something else now which is really sad.

Weirdly the far left & far right have alot in common despite being polar opposites, both will never step down and both will never listen to reason ... so yeah crazy .

I heard it was Bleach, but it might've been another substance tbf.

And yeah she poured the substance out from a Water Bottle.

And speaking for myself I'd never judge traditional Feminism as the same as the new age Feminism, because to me old school Feminism believed in equal opportunity for both men and women, new age Feminism feels like the female version of Incels (minus the violence) because tbf Incels are still the more deadly community imo.

And I agree with you that far right & far left are very stubborn and won't back down, even if their opinion on a topic is bat **** insane.

[The Slim Reaper]

Guys, seriously, this is a mental conversation.

Is a woman pouring bleach on a man woke ideology?
Who knows but they'll applaud it anyway.

Please read it back to yourselves.

[Quantum Boy]

Firstly, good to see you back and I hope you're ok. You got a little crazily obsessed and unhinged towards the end there, so I hope the break has done you good. That's not being a smart arse or to try and put you down/sneak diss, it happens to all of us, so I hope you take it in the genuine way in which I meant it, and that you have a good 23.

So, the first thing that sticks out is the acknowledgement of what I'm referring when I describe the propagandistic explanation for woke/wokeism. So then on the other side of that, please point out the journalists, the newspapers, the tv personalities, or anyone other than your circle of friends that knows exactly what you're on about, and use the word in the nuanced way you suggest.

That's without the telepathy required to know whether or not someone understands the cause they claim to be progressing, is yet another hoop that needs to be jumped through to conform to your definition. It's seems to be more of what you think it should be, than a generally accepted view.

The very first line in that post is



The rest of that paragraph is basically you tying yourself in knots, so lets go back. On the previous page, I explained that "stay woke" was initially a black description of being aware of their own history. Do you agree with that? Obviously there are other nuances at play, but as a general descriptor? So then, again, is that the way woke/wokeism is used today? Is it's use in media and on tv, and even on this forum, the pejorative, propagandistic one, or the original one?

The last paragraph is more of a rant that i'm not sure makes a lot of sense to me.

To explain again, my view on wokeism is that it is a primarily right wing culture war. There is no need for the dance and telepathy.

The world is has been screwed by the right wing status quo - capitalist/conservatives. The wealth inequality is growing exponentially, people are dying waiting for ambulances, so there is a definite need to keep left wing idea out of the mainstream because they would appeal.

If you ask a non leftist on the street, about leftist politics, what do you think would be the first one or two things they would say to describe what leftism is?

Do you think woke would come up before holiday pay. maternity/paternity pay, safe working environments, fairer tax system, investing in communities, social programs?

I think we both know that telepathy isn't required to answer that honestly.

I'm not even mad. The right are absolutely killing it at the moment (literally and figuratively) and they've done a great job with this culture war, so that even the leader of the opposition regularly has to attack them from the right.

I don't disagree with you about "the man on the street" at all, but I believe (and am sure I've said on here before) that the real issue there is the conflation of left/right politics with what's playing out in "culture wars" which actually has very little to do with traditional left/right politics, and everything to do with anti-intellectualism of competing flavours - none of them good flavours. THere's an imbalance because (what might be called) "Progressive" anti-intellectualism is a MASSIVE albatros for the actual-political-left, whereas "Conservative" anti-intellectualism is being played like a fiddle by the right.

I 100% agree with the observation that the mainstream media leans heavily towards the Fox News/Piers Morgan/Jordan Peterson end of the spectrum but the actual public discourse (mainly of course on Social Media) is a mess all around. I don't think it's possible to deny that the aggression/violence aimed at Rowling for example isn't a clear example of extreme "social justice anti-intellectualism" and poor discourse, nor that it's abundant. I also think there's an inclination for people to deny it for fear of inadvertantly bolstering "the other side", or drawing friendly fire.

It's also very easy to be drawn into that style of rhetoric (for everyone) if one forgets to take a step back and take a breath, and I'm finding, also worryingly easy to backslide - and that's because of the attack-defense-attack cycle of these conversations when they're not open-minded or wholehearted. But that's the nature of tribalism. It can't exist without more than one tribe.

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't disagree with you about "the man on the street" at all, but I believe (and am sure I've said on here before) that the real issue there is the conflation of left/right politics with what's playing out in "culture wars" which actually has very little to do with traditional left/right politics, and everything to do with anti-intellectualism of competing flavours - none of them good flavours. THere's an imbalance because (what might be called) "Progressive" anti-intellectualism is a MASSIVE albatros for the actual-political-left, whereas "Conservative" anti-intellectualism is being played like a fiddle by the right.

I 100% agree with the observation that the mainstream media leans heavily towards the Fox News/Piers Morgan/Jordan Peterson end of the spectrum but the actual public discourse (mainly of course on Social Media) is a mess all around. I don't think it's possible to deny that the aggression/violence aimed at Rowling for example isn't a clear example of extreme "social justice anti-intellectualism" and poor discourse, nor that it's abundant. I also think there's an inclination for people to deny it for fear of inadvertantly bolstering "the other side", or drawing friendly fire.

It's also very easy to be drawn into that style of rhetoric (for everyone) if one forgets to take a step back and take a breath, and I'm finding, also worryingly easy to backslide - and that's because of the attack-defense-attack cycle of these conversations when they're not open-minded or wholehearted. But that's the nature of tribalism. It can't exist without more than one tribe.

So for Rowling, I agree to an extent, but I also think she is purposefully and consistently antagonistic towards the trans community.

Anyone who has concerns about trans issues - I get it, there are grey areas that still exist for me - mainly sports, but if anyone presents that they have issues, but then trawls mumsnet and facebook to constantly attack the community, then that is a very different issue.

Rowling uses her platform to attack in a way that also goes beyond "concerns." Now does that mean she deserves death threats? Absolutely not, but lets not pretend that she doesn't know exactly what she's doing. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the contra points vid I posted in the other thread, if you ever get the chance to watch it.

I also completely agree in the way that actual politics has been replaced by culture war definitions.

I was a leftist when I first joined here back in 12 or 13, not when it became popular to put it on a twitter bio - and my interest has always stemmed more from the economic side of things, and that has been completely removed from any dialogue.

I like goldheart - but she says herself in this thread that she has gone from a Corbyn supporter to a john major conservative, basically (my inference, not her declaration) because of trans people/social issue and the perception that trans issues are leftist political issues. Absolutely perfect RW culture war messaging doing what it is intended to do.

[Quantum Boy]

So for Rowling, I agree to an extent, but I also think she is purposefully and consistently antagonistic towards the trans community.


Anyone who has concerns about trans issues - I get it, there are grey areas that still exist for me - mainly sports, but if anyone presents that they have issues, but then trawls mumsnet and facebook to constantly attack the community, then that is a very different issue.

Rowling uses her platform to attack in a way that also goes beyond "concerns." Now does that mean she deserves death threats? Absolutely not, but lets not pretend that she doesn't know exactly what she's doing. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the contra points vid I posted in the other thread, if you ever get the chance to watch it.

I think she is now unfortunately, I think she didn't intend to be with the letter that kicked it all off and I think that despite her bluster about not caring she was blind-sided by the backlash and has tunnelled further and further into a "counterattack" to the extend that she's actually become involved with some genuinely unpleasant factions. I think it's an interesting case of the usual process of where the more spiteful/less reasonable rhetoric comes from ... you just don't often see extremely-famous billionaires falling down that rabbit hole of "backlash". Usually if they're there it's with an agenda.

I will watch the video but I'm currently at work :umm2: and didn't bring headphones.

I also completely agree in the way that actual politics has been replaced by culture war definitions.

I was a leftist when I first joined here back in 12 or 13, not when it became popular to put it on a twitter bio - and my interest has always stemmed more from the economic side of things, and that has been completely removed from any dialogue.

I like goldheart - but she says herself in this thread that she has gone from a Corbyn supporter to a john major conservative, basically (my inference, not her declaration) because of trans people/social issue and the perception that trans issues are leftist political issues. Absolutely perfect RW culture war messaging doing what it is intended to do.

I absolutely agree with that and the way the Tories (and Trumpites) have leveraged culture wars to the extent that they have entire traditionally-labour-voting communities shooting themselves in the feet economically is horrifying. My hope is that it's time-limited though. People are possibly starting to realise that it's distraction and are finally reassessing their politics on economic grounds. Maybe. ...