View Full Version : Church Of England has Banned Gay Marriage
arista
19-01-2023, 11:30 AM
It is against their Church Laws.
Not in their Bible etc.
[The current position of the
Church of England is that marriage
is between a man and a woman.]
Scotland allows it.
Was on Debates today
Niamh.
19-01-2023, 11:38 AM
Where do they stand on Bingo Alison then "the first non-binary Priest to be ordained in the COE" who is no longer a man but married to a woman? Would that not be classed as "gay marriage" now considering he's not a man anymore?
kvchZe-d7GU
the CoE are tying themselves in knots over it, it's quite funny from an outsiders perspective
Oliver_W
19-01-2023, 11:58 AM
Where do they stand on Bingo Alison then "the first non-binary Priest to be ordained in the COE" who is no longer a man but married to a woman? Would that not be classed as "gay marriage" now considering he's not a man anymore?
kvchZe-d7GU
They probably just view this person through a lense of biological reality, rather than anything else.
Where do they stand on Bingo Alison then "the first non-binary Priest to be ordained in the COE" who is no longer a man but married to a woman? Would that not be classed as "gay marriage" now considering he's not a man anymore?
kvchZe-d7GU
He is a man, married to a woman.
That is how they will see it.
Niamh.
19-01-2023, 12:04 PM
He is a man, married to a woman.
That is how they will see it.
Most likely but isn't he making them look a bit stupid though by claiming he's not a man but he's married to a woman when he's one of their representatives and they've just made a statement like they have?
Oliver_W
19-01-2023, 12:06 PM
Most likely but isn't he making them look a bit stupid though by claiming he's not a man but he's married to a woman when he's one of their representatives and they've just made a statement like they have?
To be fair, claiming to be "gender queer" only makes him look stupid. It's the kind of thing most people just say "lol kay" to and ignore. No-one takes it seriously enough to think it reflects on the Church's views toward gay marriage.
Niamh.
19-01-2023, 12:09 PM
To be fair, claiming to be "gender queer" only makes him look stupid. It's the kind of thing most people just say "lol kay" to and ignore. No-one takes it seriously enough to think it reflects on the Church's views toward gay marriage.
If he was keeping it low key maybe but he's been on This Morning with Holly & Phil :laugh: Telling everyone how god loves variety
Liam-
19-01-2023, 12:10 PM
A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all
Glenn.
19-01-2023, 12:14 PM
I loathe religion
half the priests in the CoE are gay. This is all about money. The african (and maybe south american?) branches are anti gay and they are the branches of the church that are growing and therefore earning the cash and have the feet on the ground. If memory serves me right, i think the USA branch of the CoE is anti gay marriage too
Niamh.
19-01-2023, 12:20 PM
A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all
Religions being anti-gay, anti-women, anti-reality isn't a new development Liam. I'm not "bothered" by it because I think organised religions are a joke tbh :shrug: They don't even allow women to be Priests in the Catholic religion or Priests to marry at all. Catholicism is the biggest religion in Ireland, am I bothered by that? No, I think they're an out dated bunch of hypocrites that will die off in time (the religions and higher ups within the religion I mean not the followers)
arista
19-01-2023, 12:30 PM
A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all
It was debated today on TV and Radio
most people are against the COE
But some women callers
and African callers were strict on following
the COE Rule of no Gay Marriage.
Crimson Dynamo
19-01-2023, 12:51 PM
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Most likely but isn't he making them look a bit stupid though by claiming he's not a man but he's married to a woman when he's one of their representatives and they've just made a statement like they have?
Hes made himself and the church look stupid.
arista
19-01-2023, 01:01 PM
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Yes Very True LT
GoldHeart
19-01-2023, 01:09 PM
He is a man, married to a woman.
That is how they will see it.
Still a contradiction:facepalm: .... COE have got themselves in a mess. So that's probably another reason why some people want to push this to be accepted, because it doesn't make sense to people to have gay & trans priests & vicars ..but then be against gay marriage itself. COE tries to be liberal whilst pushing back. They don't know what balance to have anymore.
In Mosques & synagogues , I very much doubt we'd be hearing about many gay or trans imam's & rabbi's. People know where they stand and know it's practically unheard of with Judaism & Islam , not much confusion there ... whether people agree with it or not .
These places are very strict overall especially re: same sex marriage . And I don't think they'll be changing their minds any time soon ,or forced to either .
Like I said people know where they stand. Many will go to a registry office to get married etc ,you can virtually get married anywhere these days :shrug:.
Oliver_W
19-01-2023, 01:17 PM
A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all
It's not about randomly or spitefully pointing out that nonbinary is nonsense; one of their Priests is publicly talking about being married to a woman while being "not a man" in the very same month that the Church says they won't do gay marriages any more.
Cherie
19-01-2023, 01:41 PM
I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision
I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision
Maybe they got word from the big man.
I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision
isn't the rule something like they can bless a gay marriage, but not actually do a marriage. They have tied themselves in knots though, it's obvious they don't know what to do without breaking up the church
arista
19-01-2023, 02:35 PM
I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision
I think Early in the years of this
was what they talked about
But Today it has been debated
Strict No Marriage CEO
for any Gays in England
Livia
19-01-2023, 02:44 PM
Leave the Church of England alone! If you want to make them accept gay marriage you're also going to make to make the Muslims, the Catholics and the Jews and it will not happen.
Livia
19-01-2023, 02:46 PM
the CoE are tying themselves in knots over it, it's quite funny from an outsiders perspective
I don't think it's funny at all.
I don't think it's funny at all.
you obviously take religion seriously, i don't
GoldHeart
19-01-2023, 02:58 PM
you obviously take religion seriously, i don't
Like I said atleast people know where they stand with mosque's & Synagogues , they don't go back & forth on same sex marriage .And I have never seen a gay or trans imam, or a gay or trans rabbi . Not much contradiction or confusion with these strict religious establishments .
Cherie
19-01-2023, 03:01 PM
Like I said atleast people know where they stand with mosque's & Synagogues , they don't go back & forth on same sex marriage .And I have never seen a gay or trans imam, or a gay or trans rabbi . Not much contradiction or confusion with these strict religious establishments .
Yep I think you need to stick to the rules for everyone involved or change, they cant have it both ways ...no pun intended
Yep I think you need to stick to the rules for everyone involved or change, they cant have it both ways ...no pun intended
:hehe:
Cherie
19-01-2023, 03:04 PM
:hehe:
:laugh:
Like I said atleast people know where they stand with mosque's & Synagogues , they don't go back & forth on same sex marriage .And I have never seen a gay or trans imam, or a gay or trans rabbi . Not much contradiction or confusion with these strict religious establishments .
You might have.
Nicky91
19-01-2023, 04:44 PM
no gay marriages, or else what?
those stupid elderly in church of england getting triggered :laugh3: :laugh3:
no gay marriages, or else what?
those stupid elderly in church of england getting triggered :laugh3: :laugh3:
God will reincarnate you as a female American marine ribbon worm when you die.
arista
19-01-2023, 05:39 PM
God will reincarnate you as a female American marine ribbon worm when you die.
How nice for Nicky
arista
20-01-2023, 03:35 PM
Yes LT
Justin Welby
Archbishop will not give new prayer blessing for gay couples
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64342940
user104658
20-01-2023, 03:50 PM
A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all
I'm just going to controversially come right out with this one...
Gay men are losing the allyship of women (which they've mostly had since the dawn of civil rights), because when it came to the crunch they showed absolutely no indication of being willing to return the favour or even to listen uncritically with compassion.
Lots of generalisation there but it is what it is. Gay men currently asking "why aren't cis women standing up for us" is an absolutely ludicrous question to ask.
I'm just going to controversially come right out with this one...
Gay men are losing the allyship of women (which they've mostly had since the dawn of civil rights), because when it came to the crunch they showed absolutely no indication of being willing to return the favour or even to listen uncritically with compassion.
Lots of generalisation there but it is what it is. Gay men currently asking "why aren't cis women standing up for us" is an absolutely ludicrous question to ask.
I thought a lot of lesbian movements were starting to turn against gay men? But what do i know?!
Oliver_W
20-01-2023, 03:58 PM
I'm just going to controversially come right out with this one...
Gay men are losing the allyship of women (which they've mostly had since the dawn of civil rights), because when it came to the crunch they showed absolutely no indication of being willing to return the favour or even to listen uncritically with compassion.
Lots of generalisation there but it is what it is. Gay men currently asking "why aren't cis women standing up for us" is an absolutely ludicrous question to ask.
Owen Jones' recent anti-woman rant pretty much encapsulates the things gay men have to continue to say in order to completely lose (actual) feminists' support ...
Liam-
20-01-2023, 04:00 PM
A lot of generalisations there, a long way of saying some women are happy for bigotry to occur because a minority of gay men have problems with women, not exactly a shining endorsement of women is it
A lot of generalisations there, a long way of saying some women are happy for bigotry to occur because a minority of gay men have problems with women, not exactly a shining endorsement of women is it
Women aren't exactly the enemy of gay men. All over the world, the religion heads, all of the laws against gay marriage, and homosexuality as a whole are created, enforced and dictated by men.
user104658
20-01-2023, 04:06 PM
A lot of generalisations there, a long way of saying some women are happy for bigotry to occur because a minority of gay men have problems with women, not exactly a shining endorsement of women is it
It is a generalisation but this is a realm of generalisations; it's likewise unfair for gay men to have a problem with all women who have concerns about women's rights relating to trans issues because of a minority of those women who are genuinely hateful - who I don't think anyone can reasonably pretend don't exist.
But it's 2023 and here we are. Allyship isn't about individual relationships and whether or not people on an individual level like each other... it's about going to bat for that team, and if it isn't there (in general), it isn't going to be reciprocated (in general).
It's not out of anything more exciting than apathy.
I'm not even saying that gay men had to go to war for women when they had concern, but the right answer to "We have some concerns about this..." wasn't "Tough **** TERF!" and that's what (in general) came back. Or silence. So the result is silence.
I don't think it's a good thing I think it's utterly tragic, and the winners in the end are going to be the big ol' puffy faced blokes, as usual.
Cherie
20-01-2023, 04:30 PM
What I never understand about the original issue leaving aside the issue of gay clergy people is if a gay couple are in the faith they would understand the teachings and accept it, and if they are not why would they want to be married in the Church :shrug: its like me wanting to get married in a Synagogue even though I am not part of that faith....there are so many places people can get married why do they get so hung up about getting married in a Church ....mind boggling
user104658
20-01-2023, 04:35 PM
What I never understand about the original issue leaving aside the issue of gay clergy people is if a gay couple are in the faith they would understand the teachings and accept it, and if they are not why would they want to be married in the Church :shrug: its like me wanting to get married in a Synagogue even though I am not part of that faith....there are so many places people can get married why do they get so hung up about getting married in a Church ....mind boggling
I would say that I don't understand any gay person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian ... but it's a bit of a moot point because I don't understand any person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian :joker:.
Or really just any person with common sense choosing to be anything other than atheist-agnostic but that's a whole other debate :umm2:.
Cherie
20-01-2023, 04:37 PM
I would say that I don't understand any gay person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian ... but it's a bit of a moot point because I don't understand any person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian :joker:.
Or really just any person with common sense choosing to be anything other than atheist-agnostic but that's a whole other debate :umm2:.
Well I would consider myself a Christian but just for the nice bits...not been to Mass in years :worry:
arista
20-01-2023, 05:02 PM
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media/3473/the-most-reverend-justin-welby-archbishop-of-canterbury.jpg?width=315&height=395&rnd=132369623879030000
Cherie
do not mess with Justin Welby
He does not want to
Mary Gay Folks
user104658
20-01-2023, 05:07 PM
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media/3473/the-most-reverend-justin-welby-archbishop-of-canterbury.jpg?width=315&height=395&rnd=132369623879030000
Cherie
do not mess with Justin Welby
He does not want to
Mary Gay Folks
He legitimately looks like he would bite your face.
arista
20-01-2023, 05:14 PM
He legitimately looks like he would bite your face.
Yes he is Tough Bugger
He legitimately looks like he would bite your face.
not before he has stabbed you in the throat with his crucifix
arista
20-01-2023, 05:21 PM
not before he has stabbed you in the throat with his crucifix
Yes Solid Metal
Crimson Dynamo
20-01-2023, 06:51 PM
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media/3473/the-most-reverend-justin-welby-archbishop-of-canterbury.jpg?width=315&height=395&rnd=132369623879030000
cherie
do not mess with justin welby
he does not want
gay folks in general
my gaydar is going off
joeysteele
20-01-2023, 06:57 PM
https://www.cbi.org.uk/media/3473/the-most-reverend-justin-welby-archbishop-of-canterbury.jpg?width=315&height=395&rnd=132369623879030000
Cherie
do not mess with Justin Welby
He does not want to
Mary Gay Folks
It would likely be a nightmare him taking a wedding service anyhow.
It takes him ages to get a sentence out.
The actual Churches are hypocrites anyhow.
It is one of the hard things of Christianity to do and all churchgoers and believers fail to do it too.
Myself included.
However the message, the main message of Christianity which in the end is the belief in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
That main message is NOT to judge, not condemn, not exclude ANYONE.
To be ALL inclusive.
There's no organised church movement which in any shape or form embraces even the will to carry that out never mind actually do so.
GoldHeart
20-01-2023, 06:59 PM
What I never understand about the original issue leaving aside the issue of gay clergy people is if a gay couple are in the faith they would understand the teachings and accept it, and if they are not why would they want to be married in the Church :shrug: its like me wanting to get married in a Synagogue even though I am not part of that faith....there are so many places people can get married why do they get so hung up about getting married in a Church ....mind boggling
This is what I don't understand either ,why would you want to get married in a place that doesn't want to marry you. Why force it especially when they know the religion is against it ??.
Exactly there's so many different places to get married now .
if i had been around during the tudor dynasty, i think i would have been burnt at the stake
Cherie
20-01-2023, 10:21 PM
This is what I don't understand either ,why would you want to get married in a place that doesn't want to marry you. Why force it especially when they know the religion is against it ??.
Exactly there's so many different places to get married now .
No idea ....its just bizarre to me, a wedding day is so special why would you want to mar it by getting married in a place that will never accept your union ...
Livia
21-01-2023, 11:19 AM
you obviously take religion seriously, i don't
I just think people have a right to religious freedom without being laughed at by people who don't have a faith. And those with no faith have a right to that too, without being ridiculed. It's unhelpful imo.
arista
10-02-2023, 05:25 AM
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Glenn.
10-02-2023, 07:58 AM
Can’t think why a gay couple would even want to get married in a church
Cherie
10-02-2023, 08:08 AM
Again I will ask why anyone would want to get married in an establishment that doesn't approve of you :laugh:
MADNESS
surely all they have to do is use the correct genders for the CoE then there will be no problem? Or are the CoE getting in a gender mess too :laugh:
Redway
10-02-2023, 08:56 AM
Thank God lostalex isn’t here to erupt.
Oliver_W
10-02-2023, 09:36 AM
Can’t think why a gay couple would even want to get married in a church
Because they might be Christian?
Cherie
10-02-2023, 09:50 AM
Because they might be Christian?
But if they are surely they would be aware of the stance of the Church and respect that
I know quite a few straight couples who consider themselves Christian and for one reason or another could not get married in the Catholic Church or who did not want to go ahead with a traditional wedding in a Church so have had a civil ceremony and a blessing afterwards
Oliver_W
10-02-2023, 09:52 AM
But if they are surely they would be aware of the stance of the Church and respect that
To be fair, the way some bakeries have been treated for their stances, respect for the views of others apparently doesn't go very far.
There are loads of bakeries if one doesn't want to serve you, but God only has a small number of official homes.
joeysteele
10-02-2023, 09:58 AM
The Churches NEED to think again.
For me, never mind why individuals who still have a religious faith, would want to marry a same sex partner in church.
Because the belief they have wants that recognised spiritual connection to their union.
Other people can ridicule and put down Christians and those of other faiths for their beliefs.
To those who have a faith well their faith is real however and means a great deal to them.
Just as life and their families, hopes and dreams are real to them too.
What is hypocritical of Church leaders is that they'll take those people's cintributions of time in church activites and financial donations to the Church, wants them being numbers in the Church attendance.
Paying lip service to them.
Yet purposely DENY and FORBID a sacrament of the church to them because of who they wish to spend hopefully the rest of their lives with.
Really that has to be wrong in any book.
Hypocrites.
Plus who was it who also called the faith leaders hypocrites over 2000 years ago.
I have a feeling he still would today.
Livia
10-02-2023, 11:26 AM
Synagogue, temple and mosque say......no.
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