May Local Elections Thurs. 4/May/2023:UK Voters need Photo ID to vote

[arista]

If you are an old biddie
your bus pass has a photo.


Just on Times Radio Live


https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/voter-id?gclsrc=aw.ds

From October 2023 it will also apply to UK General elections.

[Cherie]

This new law was passed very quietly :suspect:

[arista]

This new law was passed very quietly :suspect:


Yes Covid in the way

[bots]

weirdly, it doesnt apply to the general election

[arista]

weirdly, it doesnt apply to the general election

It will from Oct 2023


[This will apply to:

Local elections
Police and Crime Commissioner elections
UK parliamentary by-elections
Recall petitions

From October 2023 it will also apply to UK General elections.]


https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/voter-id?gclsrc=aw.ds

[joeysteele]

It won't affect me as I've my passport and driving licence, +.

However I am furious this has been passed into law.
Absolutely NO need for it at all.

What about postal votes???
I often wonder how many actually possibly fill in their own postal vote.

An old Lady was telling me her bus pass photo doesn't look much like her now, she had it taken 24 years ago to get it.
It's renewed with that same photo, she's never been told to go and have the photo updated.

What a shambles of a government to bring this in.
Then again where is Labour saying they'd reverse it though.
They certainly should say they will.

Absolutely ridiculous.
Soldiers who fought in the last war for our rights and freedoms as well as defending the Country.
Must be turning in their graves at this.

[arista]

It won't affect me as I've my passport and driving licence, +.

However I am furious this has been passed into law.
Absolutely NO need for it at all.

What about postal votes???
I often wonder how many actually possibly fill in their own postal vote.

An old Lady was telling me her bus pass photo doesn't look much like her now, she had it taken 24 years ago to get it.
It's renewed with that same photo, she's never been told to go and have the photo updated.

What a shambles of a government to bring this in.
Then again where is Labour saying they'd reverse it though.
They certainly should say they will.

Absolutely ridiculous.
Soldiers who fought in the last war for our rights and freedoms as well as defending the Country.
Must be turning in their graves at this.

Yes Postal Votes as before Joey


[Make sure you're registered
To vote in any election in the UK,
you must be registered to vote.

If you know that you won’t be able to get
to the polling station on polling day,
you can vote by post.
You can apply for postal vote because you’re away
on holiday or because your work schedule
means you can't get to polling station.
You can also choose to vote by
post simply because it would be
more convenient for you.

You will be a sent a postal vote ballot
pack before the election.
Find out more about how to vote by post.]

Click Link
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/apply-vote-post

[joeysteele]

Yes Postal Votes as before Joey


[Make sure you're registered
To vote in any election in the UK,
you must be registered to vote.

If you know that you won’t be able to get
to the polling station on polling day,
you can vote by post.
You can apply for postal vote because you’re away
on holiday or because your work schedule
means you can't get to polling station.
You can also choose to vote by
post simply because it would be
more convenient for you.

You will be a sent a postal vote ballot
pack before the election.
Find out more about how to vote by post.]

Click Link
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/apply-vote-post


I don't want a postal vote but it's good you've printed that for anyone who might

Where's the photo ID for postal votes and how do they KNOW the postal voter has actually entered the cross themselves???
That it hasn't been done by another family member, neighbour or other.

[Oliver_W]

Then I'm awaiting the announcement that the government will be providing free valid photo ID; every state in the USA which mandates photo ID provides it after all.

[bots]

i always thought it was a bit dodgy to just turn up with a voting card, however, what they are doing is making sure everyone has an ID card of one form or another and is therefore "in the system" (excluding illegal immigrants of course)

[GoldHeart]

This new law was passed very quietly :suspect:

That's the government for you ,what do you expect.

[arista]

Then I'm awaiting the announcement that the government will be providing free valid photo ID; every state in the USA which mandates photo ID provides it after all.

FREE?


I think a charge will be put on it.

[Oliver_W]

FREE?


I think a charge will be put on it.

Then it shouldn't be a compulsory part of voting :shrug:

[James]

Sadly some will not be able to vote
Those with no Photo ID



Plastic Card with your posted Photo
will cost money

Not Free
Times are hardFrom the link above, it says you have to apply for a certificate if you don't have a photo ID. It's free but you have to provide a photo of yourself.

I have a Citizencard and a driver's licence.

[James]

Or apply for a postal vote.

[arista]

From the link above, it says you have to apply for a certificate if you don't have a photo ID. It's free but you have to provide a photo of yourself.

I have a Citizencard and a driver's licence.



Yes, I missed that.


Thank You James.

[arista]

Then I'm awaiting the announcement that the government will be providing free valid photo ID; every state in the USA which mandates photo ID provides it after all.


https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/voter-id/applying-a-voter-authority-certificate



Yes on the Link

Post your Photo in


Free ID Card,





Great News
Thanks to James
who went through the link in full
to find it.

[Oliver_W]

If you are an old biddie
your bus pass has a photo.

LT and Neen relieved :hehe:

[user104658]

They know fine well that Tories are statistically far more likely to already have photo ID.

[Oliver_W]

They know fine well that Tories are statistically far more likely to already have photo ID.

To be fair you need photo ID to get a job or claim benefits, so what's the problem?

[joeysteele]

I just think it's unnecessary and wrong.

There's no evidence of strong fraud in voting.
In fact it would seem there's hardly any at all.

I hope it backfires on this lot for even thinking about bringing it in never mind doing so.

[bots]

it's a standard tactic to try and get the edge on a vote. It's been used across the world

[GoldHeart]

To be fair you need photo ID to get a job or claim benefits, so what's the problem?

No not everyone has photo ID .

[Liam-]

The tories trying their best to make it harder to vote when they know they’re gonna get decimated in the next bunch of elections? I am shocked

[arista]

Only 10,000 have applied for photo/ID
the Guardian has reported today.

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[Alf]

I don't have photo ID and I don't plan on getting any any time soon.

I do have my works ID which has photo on. Will that be good enough?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can I expect your vote sir or madame?

https://wansteadvillagedirectory.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/rtmage1.jpg

[arista]

Reform has yet to win a seat.

[arista]

I don't have photo ID and I don't plan on getting any any time soon.

I do have my works ID which has photo on. Will that be good enough?


Might be

[arista]

Letters from your Council in England
are being posted to all voters
So it is Very Clear what you need.

So there is no Reason
for any of you to be refused your right to post.


Local elections in England are 4th of May 2022

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/political-party/key-dates-2023

[arista]

[ Driving licence issued by the UK,
any of the Channel Islands,
the Isle of Man, or an EEA state
(this includes a provisional driving licence)

A Blue Badge

Older Person’s Bus Pass
Disabled Person’s Bus Pass
Oyster 60+ Card
Freedom Pass
Scottish National Entitlement Card
60 and Over Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
Disabled Person’s Welsh Concessionary Travel Card
Senior SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
Registered Blind SmartPass or
Blind Person’s SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
War Disablement SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
60+ SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland
Half Fare SmartPass issued in Northern Ireland]


https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/voter-id/accepted-forms-photo-id

[arista]

There is no excuse



Any Young Person can get a FREE Photo ID


So do not go if you do not have a Photo ID



The Guardian
Claims many youngers will not vote


Look let those Lazy Sods stay in bed.

[joeysteele]

I know a lot of older people who now will not be voting despite having ID.
Who are Con voters too, who are livid that their government have brought this law in.

I am extremely surprised at how many Con supporters I've come into contact with who will not go to vote as a protest.
So quite a shock to me that is.

[arista]

I know a lot of older people who now will not be voting despite having ID.
Who are Con voters too, who are livid that their government have brought this law in.

I am extremely surprised at how many Con supporters I've come into contact with who will not go to vote as a protest.
So quite a shock to me that is.


Yes its understandable
after Liz Truss

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Liz_Truss_Official_Photo_%28cropped%29.jpg/187px-Liz_Truss_Official_Photo_%28cropped%29.jpg

[Livia]

I'm unsure why they've gone with this, it's like they're fixing a problem which doesn't really exist.

[arista]

I'm unsure why they've gone with this, it's like they're fixing a problem which doesn't really exist.


Conservative's claim it is
to stop Voter Fraud.

[bots]

I'm unsure why they've gone with this, it's like they're fixing a problem which doesn't really exist.

i think it's a guard against future questioning of results, which has become the norm in other countries

[Crimson Dynamo]

They ask to see your drivers license to go to the fecking dump so this will be no biggie

[arista]

They ask to see your drivers license to go to the fecking dump so this will be no biggie


But so many youngers
have no ID

[Liam-]

They’re doing it to disenfranchise young voters because they’re the most likely demographic to vote against them

[Kate!]

They’re doing it to disenfranchise young voters because they’re the most likely demographic to vote against them

Crafty swines

[Crimson Dynamo]

But so many youngers
have no ID

what a shame these idealistic lefties wont be able to vote woke

[bots]

the young vote couldn't get off their arses and vote for remain when no voting id was required, so that is where that argument fails

[joeysteele]

Crafty swines

I see no reason at all for it.

I'm pleased to see however that there's even some Con supporters who don't want this either.
OR at least don't see the reasoning for it.

That it's NOT a left or right exclusive against it.
After all Blair and Labour were looking at bringing this in post 2000.
However threw it out in the end.

This lot should have done the same.
They may yet find however, it backfires on them if some Con supporters feel it's a step too far.
Then don't themselves bother to go and vote.
That would be sweet justice.

[arista]

They’re doing it to disenfranchise young voters because they’re the most likely demographic to vote against them


Yes,
that's the Conservative Plan.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1651258615741796352?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

And the cheat is in

[bots]

it's not really a cheat as it affects their own voters almost exclusively :laugh:

Who other than a tory is going to a) read the propaganda and b) believe it :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Well now, why should it be any surprise whatsoever for the Cons to be found MISLEADING voters.
It's one thing they have developed a unique art in doing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Union chief gets strike dates wrong = honest accident

Conservative leaflet makes printing error - misleading scum at it again

:joker:

[joeysteele]

it's not really a cheat as it affects their own voters almost exclusively :laugh:

Who other than a tory is going to a) read the propaganda and b) believe it :laugh:

Great point there, yes.:joker:

[arista]

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[Livia]

I've not had one piece of election literature from any party. Normally there are posters, banners and at least two pieces of literature. Anyone had any?

[Kate!]

I won't be voting

[arista]

I've not had one piece of election literature from any party. Normally there are posters, banners and at least two pieces of literature. Anyone had any?


Yes I had loads

[arista]

I won't be voting

Why Not?

[Zizu]

Why Not?


Why ?

Whoever gets elected will mess things up .. just in a different way ..

I’ve lived through oodles of different governments even a couple of collaborations and they all managed to completely balls things up ..

Some of the darkest days were under Labour rule so please don’t tell me they are the saviours


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[arista]

Why
because it is your right,

Local MP's
can help people.

The Sewage issue
is a major point,
Conservatives allowing them not invest enough.

[Livia]

I feel like if you don't vote, don't moan about who's elected.

[Zizu]

I feel like if you don't vote, don't moan about who's elected.


I don’t give rat’s arse about the government in charge as it makes diddly-squat-squared difference to all us at the bottom of the pile .

I just despair when I see so many believe that everything will be better under Labour when history shows that the idea is completely preposterous
They will make changes but if will all be a different type of horrible

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[arista]

I don’t give rat’s arse about the government in charge as it makes diddly-squat-squared difference to all us at the bottom of the pile .

I just despair when I see so many believe that everything will be better under Labour when history shows that the idea is completely preposterous



London is full of Pot Holes

Why are we Paying Council TAX?

[Zizu]

London is full of Pot Holes

Why are we Paying Council TAX?


Apparently there are 35% more pot holes than last year and punctures / wheel damage up 30%


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[arista]

Apparently there are 35% more pot holes than last year and punctures / wheel damage up 30%




Yes, so do not pick a Labour Council
as they leave them.

[arista]

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[Kate!]

Why Not?

No photo ID.

[arista]

No photo ID.


You had a chance to get a Free One


No real excuse

[Cherie]

We dont have elections, not had any polling cards, is that right that it is not countrywide?

[bots]

We dont have elections, not had any polling cards, is that right that it is not countrywide?

yeah, its just a selection that are up for a vote. For example, there are only 3 lib dem seats up for grabs across the whole of england, so it's impossible for them to do badly :laugh:

I binned my voting card as soon as I received it, i never vote in local elections

[Cherie]

yeah, its just a selection that are up for a vote. For example, there are only 3 lib dem seats up for grabs across the whole of england, so it's impossible for them to do badly :laugh:

I binned my voting card as soon as I received it, i never vote in local elections

ah right thank you!

[joeysteele]

I feel like if you don't vote, don't moan about who's elected.

I'm kind of surprised others haven't agreed with this.
So I'm doing so now.

Democracy has to rely on support of voters.

It's pretty well known what I think of this present government.
However these are local elections
I know of loads of GOOD, yes good, Con councils as well as Labour and other Parties.
Bad ones too.

Even now in general elections, the last 3 haven't even had a 70% turnout.
If people don't vote, where does this democracy people claim is so vital, end up?

I simply and it's my view, I get slammed for it at times.
I cannot accept myself, that there's NO candidate be it for a Party or Independent one, who could be worthy of a vote.

It is however extremely rich if someone doesn't vote who then moans as you say Livia, at whatever PM, government or Council takes power.
I also find often it's those who don't vote, who at times moan the most about governnments and councils.

Politics is life.
Everyone that gets elected to any power gets control over our lives, finances what we can and cannot do.
I'd certainly want to always have a say and choice in that.

No matter who anyone votes for, I may really be dismayed and disappointed at results that haven't gone my own hopes way.
However I respect and admire all who make the effort to use their democratic vote.
Immaterial of the arguments around opposing views.

With postal voting, proxy voting and in person voting it's hardly a chore to vote.
I don't agree with the ID rule now but it's done so fair enough.

Finally, yes, a democratic right to vote means in the UK, you don't HAVE to vote.
However it's a bit like being part of a club and if part of a club, you are unlikely to not USE such a club.

I feel it's still, even with some of the most awful politicians we've likely ever had in this Country.
Near ALL the current leaders of all Parties included by me there.
However to go and use my vote, being able to for me, is an honour to be eligible to be in that 'club' so to speak and do so.

[bots]

my council services are good, i was vaguely relieved that they didn't hike the charges much this year, so as far as i'm concerned they can carry on as they are, i have no need to vote. If that changes, then i will consider voting

[Livia]

I don’t give rat’s arse about the government in charge as it makes diddly-squat-squared difference to all us at the bottom of the pile .

I just despair when I see so many believe that everything will be better under Labour when history shows that the idea is completely preposterous
They will make changes but if will all be a different type of horrible

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Yeah... But these are local elections.

[Livia]

my council services are good, i was vaguely relieved that they didn't hike the charges much this year, so as far as i'm concerned they can carry on as they are, i have no need to vote. If that changes, then i will consider voting

I take it you live I in a Tory borough if all your services are working properly locally.

[bots]

I take it you live I in a Tory borough if all your services are working properly locally.

yes, and there is no danger of it ever being anything else :laugh:

[arista]

230 Councils


Important First Local Election
under Sunak

[Crimson Dynamo]

nowt doing electorally up here

[arista]

I have Voted
7AM sharp

[joeysteele]

I have Voted
7AM sharp

Ditto for me.
Well done arista.

However anyone votes, it's important it happens.

[bots]

i'm saving shoe leather :smug:

[bots]

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[arista]

Nice Loyal dog

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

The best bit of election day....dogs at polling stations :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder when we will se the Lib Dem leader (who ever he or she is) on the TV tomorrow saying that they have had a great result :laugh:

[Alf]

Just been to spoil my ballot.

[bots]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvRejs7XoAUK6iU?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

Just been to spoil my ballot.


Make an effort and Vote

[Alf]

Make an effort and VoteNobody to vote for. Why would I vote for someone who has no intention of representing me? Infact they'd be the opposite to representing me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/17/article-2233386-160A81CA000005DC-754_634x411.jpg

Look at this rural lady waiting for you to put your vote in her box


absolute filth!


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[bots]

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[Cherie]

Just been to spoil my ballot.

Good man

[Cherie]

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:love:

they would probably do a better job of running the country :laugh:

[Cherie]

Apoodle dressed as a Star Wars character and a golden retriever with her own photo ID have joined an election tradition as dogs gathered at polling stations across the UK on Thursday.

The hashtag #dogsatpollingstations has become a highlight of election days for many animal lovers on social media, as people share photos of themselves exercising their pets and democratic rights at the same time.

This year’s local elections are the first major electoral test for Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, but they also fall on May 4 – also known as Star Wars Day – which inspired Helen Jakes to mark the occasion with her canine companion in costume.

The 31-year-old dressed up as Princess Leia and had her poodle cross Pekoe don an Ewok outfit for their trip to a polling station in Batley, West Yorkshire.

“I’ve always been a big fan of Star Wars and General Leia, who would definitely exercise her right to vote, so the stars just aligned,” Ms Jakes, who works in communications, told the PA news agency.

Among others sharing tweets for the trending hashtag were those reminding voters to bring photo identification as this is the first election where ID is compulsory.

Annette Hill, from Weston-super-Mare, made her dog Ruby her own photo ID, complete with name, photo, and an “authorised signature” of a paw prin

[bots]

haha

[joeysteele]

I wonder what the turnout will be?

It's been the usual it seems in my area but then that's pretty low in recent years anyhow.

[MTVN]

I have just been but felt very uninformed as I've had no election material and can't find anything online for the candidates

[GoldHeart]

Might seem bad ...but I didn't bother to vote :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder what the turnout will be?

It's been the usual it seems in my area but then that's pretty low in recent years anyhow.

36%?

is a guess

[joeysteele]

36%?

is a guess

You're likely very near the mark there.

[MTVN]

I did not vote conservative for the first time in an election since 2015 (when I voted Lib Dem because I thought they deserved some recognition for being unselfish in the coalition and I knew their vote was going to collapse)

[Oliver_W]

As my council was restructured a year or so ago we don't get to vote, as the council is "too new."

[bots]

the weather has been nice so that should have encouraged folk to vote.

I very rarely vote because where i live, it just doesn't make a difference. I will vote at the next GE though out of principle

[joeysteele]

I've voted a mixed bag since I got my vote in 2010.

I voted Con up to 2012 for the council elections.

In 2010 I voted Lib Dem hoping for a fair and decent coalition with either the Cons or Labour.
What a letdown that was.

Since 2014 and joining Labour.
I've voted Labour in both General elections and local elections when held.

[Alf]

the weather has been nice so that should have encouraged folk to vote.

I very rarely vote because where i live, it just doesn't make a difference. I will vote at the next GE though out of principleThe photo ID required would have put the numbers down. I only revived my photo ID at the end of last week.

[Liam-]

When are the results predicted to start coming in?

[Alf]

When are the results predicted to start coming in?Tonight, this isn't a stolen election like Biden won that took days and days.

[joeysteele]

When are the results predicted to start coming in?

BBC starts with them from around 11.40 tonight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im going to go to be early and get up early and let Nick fill me in with what has happened

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[bots]

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[arista]

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[Liam-]

Not expecting a blowout like is being predicted tbh

[arista]

BBC1 has started
Also BBCnewsHD

Labour +4
Conservative -3

LibDem + 1


First declared

229 Councils to declare


SkyNewsHD Also Live on the Election, now

[arista]

Conservative Hold : Broxbourne

[arista]

https://broxbourne.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/himage/2_6_h.jpg?t=1627650254


Broxbourne School


A Example
Staying Conservative.

[arista]

Also LBC Live Features Ian Dale

and Radio 5

[arista]

Stoke is Conservative


But SkyNewsHD reports Labour are nearly taking it back

Independents are switching parties
that has angered other members.

[arista]

Conservative Hold
Harlow Essex


Conservative Hold
Basildon

[arista]

Rochford remains
NOC

Castle Point remains
NOC

Hart remains
NOC


Worcester remains
NOC



Hartlepool remains
NOC

Colchester remains
NOC


Was Conservative but now
Brentwood becomes NOC


Was Conservative but now
Tamworth becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
East Lindsey becomes NOC


Terrible results
No Overall Control

[arista]

Not expecting a blowout like is being predicted tbh


Is that because Starmer keeps U turning?



SkyNewsHD in Stoke area
reporter said she has noticed
Apathy

[arista]

Conservative Hold
Stoke-on-Trent

Conservative Hold
North East Lincolnshire



Conservative Hold
Redditch

[arista]

Labour Hold
Newcastle-upon-Tyne

Labour Hold
Stevenage

[arista]

Conservative Medway
is going to Labour,

[bots]

it seems to me that the tories are doing badly, but the gains are being split between labour and the lib dems, which is exactly what labour don't want

[arista]

Worse so many going to NOC.

Conservatives lose more than 100 seats

[arista]

Labour take Plymouth and Stoke and Medway


Johnny Mercer MP
Good Conservative, not happy.

[arista]

All these Poxy Independents
making more NOC's

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did not take long for the lib dems leader to be on with Nick crowing about gains

[arista]

Yes LibDems took Windsor & Maidenhead
from Conservatives

[bots]

we've seen all these things before, people vote lib dem at local elections and byelections as a protest vote and then the vote disappears at the GE. Also, it's easy to make gains from an almost non existent position

Labour will win the next GE unless they shoot themselves in the foot. It's as simple as that

[Oliver_W]

If this is going to be a "dry run" for the election, it doesn't look great for anyone. Unless the LibDems reach some kind of agreement, the votes may well be split too far to dislodge the Tories from anything but a minority government.

[Crimson Dynamo]

State of play at 8.30am
The results are now in from 60 of the 230 local authorities across England
where elections have been held.

The Tories have now lost 180 seats while Labour is currently up 132.

The Liberal Democrats have gained 56 while the Green Party has gained 13.

[bots]

so the tories are on target to lose 1000 seats which was considered a disaster position only yesterday :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I'm surprised at the only small gains for the Greens.
This is a mixed bag.
There's a great deal of results to come.
It's the breakdown of votes that John Curtice said was most important to look at.
He said to be in line with the current national polling.
Labour would need to getting to around a 9%/10% lead over the Cons.

It seems Labour is from the 2019 figures these were last fought on.
Labour is around 39%+
The Cons on or a bit under 30%
Lots to come in yet so where that will be at the end of all the results is obviously unknown.
The only message for me at this point in time is, the results so far would indicate the Cons out at a general election.
That is all I want and hope to see.

Nothing however is assured as to politics as we all who follow it know.
Up to now though, the only Party with next to nothing to crow about today so far are the Cons.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A defiant Rishi Sunak insisted there has not been a "massive groundswell of
movement towards the Labour Party" at the local elections in England despite
the Tories being on course to suffer heavy losses.

Rishi is focussing on

-halving the debt
-cutting inflation
-growing the economy
-reducing hospital waiting lists
-stopping the illegal small boats

Those are the governments priorities and he thinks also the people's priorities

He told all news media earlier today

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/25/10/63822541-11351641-image-m-22_1666690591157.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Keir Starmer: "What we have shown together is that we can make change. We
have changed our party. We have won the trust and confidence of voters and
now we can go on to change our country. Change is possible. A better Britain is
possible."

* checks what Labour have last beein the news about.... "Diane Abbott has
Labour whip suspended after 'hateful antisemitic' remarks suggesting Jews do
not face racism"

:facepalm:

[MTVN]

A Lib-Lab coalition wouldn't be the worst thing at a GE, the Lib Dems could constrain some of the more radical leftists in Labour

[bots]

honestly dont think it matters who is in charge providing its not the tory party. Another term of tory government would be an absolute disaster.

So, my vote will be an anti tory vote at the GE rather than anything else. Strategically vote for the party most likely to win a tory seat

[arista]

Labour takes Medway Kent

From sad Conservatives

[bots]

Medway has always been the most left leaning council in kent

[arista]

A Lib-Lab coalition wouldn't be the worst thing at a GE, the Lib Dems could constrain some of the more radical leftists in Labour



Ed does not want to share his bed with Keir

[arista]

Medway has always been the most left leaning council in kent



Sure
but the Former Leader
is blaming Sunak.

[arista]

Loads of Counts come PM
today

[bots]

Ed does not want to share his bed with Keir

ed will share a bed with anyone if its a choice of that or continuing in the wilderness

[Crimson Dynamo]

I heard turnout looking at around 30%

:umm2:

[arista]

Ed will share a bed with anyone if its a choice of that or continuing in the wilderness



Maybe

[arista]

I heard turnout looking at around 30%

:umm2:



Yes Apathy is about

[arista]

Ed in Windsor All 3 news Live

Well happy he has taken the Royal Borough
from the sad Conservatives.

[Oliver_W]

Keir Starmer: "What we have shown together is that we can make change. We
have changed our party. We have won the trust and confidence of voters and
now we can go on to change our country. Change is possible. A better Britain is
possible."

* checks what Labour have last beein the news about.... "Diane Abbott has
Labour whip suspended after 'hateful antisemitic' remarks suggesting Jews do
not face racism"

:facepalm:

Showing how the antiSemetism isn't being tolerated is a pretty big change.

[Livia]

Labour overreacting to the results as usual. Haven't had our results here yet but I expect the Tories to have got a real pasting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Showing how the antiSemetism isn't being tolerated is a pretty big change.

showing how its still deeprooted within the party = plus ca change

[MTVN]

Confused the Tories are doing so badly, I thought they'd fixed the election by asking voters to show ID :conf2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Ed Davey tells Rishi Sunak: 'Time is up'
Sir Ed Davey, the leader of the Liberal Democrats, has declared "time is up" for
Rishi Sunak and the Conservative Party.

Speaking at a rally in Windsor this morning, Sir Ed said: "Voters across the
country have sent a clear message in these local elections, a message so loud
that even someone as out of touch as Rishi Sunak can’t ignore it.

"People are fed up with waiting hours for an ambulance, waiting in vain for the
police to show up after a break-in, or for real action to bring down soaring
energy bills and food prices.

"Conservative MPs are out of touch, out of ideas and out of excuses, and the
British people are fed up with waiting for a chance to kick them out of office.
Time is up for Rishi Sunak and his appalling Conservative Government."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2023/05/05/TELEMMGLPICT000334475169_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqA7N2Cxn JWnYI3tCbVBgu9T0aesusvN1TE7a0ddd_esI.jpeg?imwidth= 660

[Oliver_W]

Confused the Tories are doing so badly, I thought they'd fixed the election by asking voters to show ID :conf2:
Hmm, it's almost like people were stereotyping when they said that people who don;t vote Tory are more likely not to have any ID...

[Swan]

Labour takes Medway Kent

From sad Conservatives

Medway has always been the most left leaning council in kent

Yeah that's not surprising in the slightest.

[arista]

Labour overreacting to the results as usual. Haven't had our results here yet but I expect the Tories to have got a real pasting.


Yes Tubby Starmer
and full of Labour Shouters behind him

[arista]

Ed is wasting time, LT

Sunak ignores him

General Election now due around October - Nov 2024

[arista]

Rochford remains
NOC

Darlington remains
NOC


Milton Keynes remains
NOC

Southend-on-Sea City Council remains
NOC

West Oxfordshire remains
NOC

Burnley remains
NOC

Castle Point remains
NOC

Hart remains
NOC


Worcester remains
NOC



Hartlepool remains
NOC

Colchester remains
NOC



Was Conservative but now
North Warwickshire becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Brentwood becomes NOC


Was Conservative but now
Tamworth becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
East Lindsey becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Welwyn Hatfield becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
South Kesteven becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
South Gloucester becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Maidstone becomes NOC


Was Conservative but now
Rugby becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Central Bedfordshire becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Runnymede becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Charnwood becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Melton becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
East Riding now NOC









Terrible results
No Overall Control

[arista]

NOC is a mess.

Conservative Failed

[arista]

Sunak

Mentioned Stopping the Boats

Today.

[joeysteele]

Starmer has done admirably in dealing with the findings and instructions from the Equalities commission inquiry.
It's one thing he's actually doing right.
Even that commission has praised his action on it.
Even to now signing off on its investigation.

People can deny that all they like and ignore the faults of the Cons.all they wish.

Antisemitism is NOT deep-rooted in the Labour Party.
The Equalities commission even stated that.
I as a Labour member and someone who abhors antisemitism would not stay in the party if it was deep-rooted.

It's amazing how those who hate Labour and call us in Labour as scum.
( Not that I'm bothered on that, as scum is the bad, waste or worst rising to the top, so we've learned that from the present Cons.)
That they seem to know more about the Labour party from their own prejudice against Labour..
Than we do and indeed the totally independent Equalities commission.

Obviously there's no reasoning with that personalised and general prejudice .
I'll stand with anything that the Equalities commision says.
As I was over the moon when they said they were going to fully investigate Labour to find the truth out.

I'd like now to see them do a similar one on the Cons on other unsavoury matters of prejudice they possibly have.

[Oliver_W]

Sunak

Mentioned Stopping the Boats

Today.

Then fking stop the boats, you idiot :joker: Maybe getting his ass handed to him in these Locals will give him a wake up call, that he actually needs to do the things that people want and that he says he will.

[arista]

Then fking stop the boats, you idiot :joker: Maybe getting his ass handed to him in these Locals will give him a wake up call, that he actually needs to do the things that people want and that he says he will.

He can not stop them
too many paying the Criminal Smugglers
They destroy their passports
before getting to our nation

Across the waters 2AM - 3AM

[arista]

Loads had the Wrong ID

And could NOT Vote

Went home, gave up.


That's a mess Joey

[user104658]

Hmm, it's almost like people were stereotyping when they said that people who don;t vote Tory are more likely not to have any ID...

The thing is that it probably IS true (though not to the extent some might have claimed) and that suggests the true sentiment is even more disastrous for the Tories than the current panning they're getting would suggest.

I'm STILL not convinced we'll shake them off at the next GE though ... they'll have tricks up their sleeve to roll out for that.

Though Labour will likely be helped somewhat with Scottish votes now that the SNP have ****ing imploded :joker:.

[Oliver_W]

The thing is that it probably IS true (though not to the extent some might have claimed) and that suggests the true sentiment is even more disastrous for the Tories than the current panning they're getting would suggest.
Weelllllll, you need photo ID to claim benefits, so that must be why so many people were still about to vote non-Tory.
(Hey, others are stereotyping, so why can't i?)



I'm STILL not convinced we'll shake them off at the next GE though ... they'll have tricks up their sleeve to roll out for that.

Though Labour will likely be helped somewhat with Scottish votes now that the SNP have ****ing imploded :joker:.

I think I read somewhere (or even worked out myself, can't remember!) that even if every Opposition party formed together, the Tories would still outnumber them. Even with the SNP kamakazeing, it's a massive hill to climb. Would need a bigger turnaround than Blair managed.

I think the probable outcome will be a squeak-through for the Tories, with a victory for Labour in the following one.

Especially if people are still whining about a party who's not in power shifting the theoretical things they might do if they were, on either side of a pandemic and getting involved in a war.
(Wahhhh, and Bregthit!!!)

[MTVN]

Weelllllll, you need photo ID to claim benefits, so that must be why so many people were still about to vote non-Tory.
(Hey, others are stereotyping, so why can't i?)



I think I read somewhere (or even worked out myself, can't remember!) that even if every Opposition party formed together, the Tories would still outnumber them. Even with the SNP kamakazeing, it's a massive hill to climb. Would need a bigger turnaround than Blair managed.

I think the probable outcome will be a squeak-through for the Tories, with a victory for Labour in the following one.

Especially if people are still whining about a party who's not in power shifting the theoretical things they might do if they were, on either side of a pandemic and getting involved in a war.
(Wahhhh, and Bregthit!!!)

That's the idea of having a parliamentary majority :laugh:

[user104658]

Weelllllll, you need photo ID to claim benefits

No you don't

[MTVN]

Some of the outrage is very feigned :joker: this bloke was supposedly 'devastated', just not so devastated that he popped home to get his passport

1654426031414018048

[Oliver_W]

No you don't

For reals?!

Blimey.

That's probably something which gets exploited more than poll booths :joker:

[arista]

“This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.”

No it was far more than just an ID
that 1938 Germany pushed Forward.

As the World let Hitler
take over Poland, Austria and France
as well as other nations
by 1940 he was loving his trip in Romantic France
To sign the Take over in that
Symbolic Train Carriage.


Poor France
so weak,


https://historyuk.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/styles/690x380/public/2020-10/692Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-M1112-500%2C_Waffenstillstand_von_Compie%CC%80gne%2C_Hit ler%2C_Go%CC%88ring-min.jpg?itok=oPntRmE-


[To many Germans – Adolf Hitler included – the signing
of the armistice in the forest of Compiègne was
the ultimate betrayal and a national humiliation.
To the French, it was one of their greatest
moments of triumph.]


https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-compi%25C3%25A8gne-wagon-one-train-carriage-two-peace-treaties

[Crimson Dynamo]

“This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.”

No it was far more than just an ID
that 1938 Germany pushed Forward.

As the World let Hitler
take over Poland, Austria and France
as well as other nations
by 1940 he was loving his trip in Romantic France
To sign the Take over in that
Symbolic Train Carriage.


Poor France
so weak,


https://historyuk.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/styles/690x380/public/2020-10/692Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-M1112-500%2C_Waffenstillstand_von_Compie%CC%80gne%2C_Hit ler%2C_Go%CC%88ring-min.jpg?itok=oPntRmE-


[To many Germans – Adolf Hitler included – the signing
of the armistice in the forest of Compiègne was
the ultimate betrayal and a national humiliation.
To the French, it was one of their greatest
moments of triumph.]


https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-compi%25C3%25A8gne-wagon-one-train-carriage-two-peace-treaties

I think it was the overthrow of the German monarchy and the introduction of the Weimar republic that kicked it off.

Starmer would love to get rid of the monarcy and then what would happen - we would have the rize of the Nazi party in Britain!

He must be thwarted

https://images.theconversation.com/files/293358/original/file-20190920-50931-1t8w1by.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=320&h=227&fit=crop

[arista]

"Starmer would love to get rid of"


NO


Tubby Starmer is very Royal Now
he wants to be elected

Nothing like Corbyn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Starmer would love to get rid of"


NO


Tubby Starmer is very Royal Now
he wants to be elected

Nothing like Corbyn.

Did you know that Google has now banned the word Chubby

Tubby is ok but now not Chubby

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/01/10/70429379-12032907-image-a-1_1682934116113.jpg

[user104658]

For reals?!

Blimey.

That's probably something which gets exploited more than poll booths :joker:

It's fully linked to NI number and contributions and has to be paid into a verified UK bank account in the claimants name, so not really ... a photo ID would be much easier to fake... I suspect anyone capable of that level of fraud/identity theft is after a little bit more than Universal Credit :joker:.

[arista]

Blackpool was NOC
has now become Labour

[user104658]

I don't actually have any particular issue with photo voting ID overall when it comes down to it - but there should have been a heavily advertised lead-in time of 5+ years and easy, free access to a valid form of photo ID first.

It does all feel like a bit of a return to the old "mandatory citizen ID card" stuff from years ago though, to be honest. WHich was scrapped, ironically, because the Tories didn't like it.

[arista]

Stratford -on -Avon
was Conservative
LibDems just took it over


East Cambridgeshire
No change - Stays Conservative.

[Crimson Dynamo]

These poor areas now being controlled by idiot wokeist lib dems

:sad:

[bots]

The BBC is projecting that if all of Britain had the chance to vote in local elections today - and had behaved in the same way as those who did - the share of the vote for each party would be as follows:

Conservative - 26%
Labour - 35%
Liberal Democrats - 20%
Others - 19%

The nine-point lead that Labour is projected to have over the Conservatives is the largest lead that the Labour party have recorded on our measure since losing power in 2010.

[user104658]

The BBC is projecting that if all of Britain had the chance to vote in local elections today - and had behaved in the same way as those who did - the share of the vote for each party would be as follows:

Conservative - 26%
Labour - 35%
Liberal Democrats - 20%
Others - 19%

The nine-point lead that Labour is projected to have over the Conservatives is the largest lead that the Labour party have recorded on our measure since losing power in 2010.

I just don't think it's relevant because of the dirtball smear tactics the Tories use in the run up to General Elections that they haven't rolled out for these. The only way that will have changed is if people have FINALLY gotten wise to it... but I just doubt it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A few Vote Labour and Vote for Woke - Labour Drag Queens are after your Children posters and The Cons will get them numbers looking a lot better...

[bots]

we could be directly involved in a war before the next election arrives which could turn everything on it's head

[Oliver_W]

I just don't think it's relevant because of the dirtball smear tactics the Tories use in the run up to General Elections that they haven't rolled out for these. The only way that will have changed is if people have FINALLY gotten wise to it... but I just doubt it.

Never give people too much credit.

[arista]

Labour gains East Staffordshire & also
Bracknell Forest
from the sad Conservatives

High Peak was NOC
Labour has gained that.

[arista]

We could be directly involved in a war before the next election arrives which could turn everything on it's head

Yes, that would change so much

[MTVN]

I just don't think it's relevant because of the dirtball smear tactics the Tories use in the run up to General Elections that they haven't rolled out for these. The only way that will have changed is if people have FINALLY gotten wise to it... but I just doubt it.

Been Labour doing that recently tbh with their campaign posters

[arista]

Greens gain Mid-Suffolk from NOC


Lib Dem gain Mid-Devon from NOC


Labour Takes over Dover
was Conservative

[arista]

Prof Curtice BBC1HD

His projection of if this was a General Election.

Projection 326 Majority

Labour 312
Conservative 226
Lib Dem 40
Others 72


Saying they (Labour) would need the Lib Dems

[James]

A few Vote Labour and Vote for Woke - Labour Drag Queens are after your Children posters and The Cons will get them numbers looking a lot better...

'Woke' stuff doesn't appear (or is very low down) in polls of people's lists of political concerns.

From https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/increasing-worry-about-nhs-inflation-remains-publics-biggest-concern

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/05/14/70617909-0-image-m-7_1683292222977.jpg

[joeysteele]

Prof Curtice BBC1HD

His projection of if this was a General Election.

Projection 326 Majority

Labour 312
Conservative 226
Lib Dem 40
Others 72


Saying they (Labour) would need the Lib Dems

THIS would be an ideal result for me.

Cons well and truly out, every other Party in Westminster not wanting anything to do with the Cons.
( except perhaps the UN-Democratic Unionists).

This kind of result could mean a much better, more compassionate and a more consensus approach to governing.
I'd welcome and love this were it an election result.

[Liam-]

'Woke' stuff doesn't appear (or is very low down) in polls of people's lists of political concerns.

From https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/increasing-worry-about-nhs-inflation-remains-publics-biggest-concern

Because the majority of people aren’t idiots and they know that ‘woke’ isn’t making their lives harder, isn’t putting their mortgages up, isn’t putting their hearing bills up, isn’t creating a food shortage, isn’t sending grocery bills through the roof, it’s just being used as a distraction by the people at the helm of all of these issues

[Zizu]

There was some clever so & so on the telly saying that it wasn’t that impressive as they should be wiping the floor with the Tories the length and breadth of the country !


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[Liam-]

Two expelled left wing members of the Labour Party, expelled for being left wing, both won council seats as independents with big margins, one of them with 77%, just a forewarning for labour people that think Jezza hasn’t got a chance of keeping his seat in the general

[Liam-]

Oh and ‘stop the boats’ seems to be a resounding failure as Labour take Dover, it’s a great day

[arista]

Posting Again
Expanded
as so many Conservative seats went to NOC

Wirral remains
NOC

Rochford remains
NOC

Darlington remains
NOC


Milton Keynes remains
NOC

Southend-on-Sea City Council remains
NOC

West Oxfordshire remains
NOC

Burnley remains
NOC

Castle Point remains
NOC

Hart remains
NOC


Worcester remains
NOC



Hartlepool remains
NOC

Colchester remains
NOC



Was Conservative but now
North Warwickshire becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Brentwood becomes NOC


Was Conservative but now
Tamworth becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
East Lindsey becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Welwyn Hatfield becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
South Kesteven becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
South Gloucester becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Maidstone becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Rugby becomes NOC


Was Conservative but now
Central Bedfordshire becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Runnymede becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Charnwood becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Melton becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
East Riding becomes NOC

Was Conservative but now
Canterbury becomes NOC

[arista]

Lots of Rain Showers
on Saturday as soon as it starts

Should make Slick Liam
happy.

[arista]

Labour gains 17 Councils

LibDems gain 7 Councils

Greens gain 1 Council

Independents and Others gain 1 Council

No Overall Control becomes 12 Councils

Conservative Loses 38 councils


Ref:BBC data

[Crimson Dynamo]

'Woke' stuff doesn't appear (or is very low down) in polls of people's lists of political concerns.

From https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/increasing-worry-about-nhs-inflation-remains-publics-biggest-concern


Probably too scared to mention it in case they get cancelled

[Crimson Dynamo]

By 5pm, with results declared from 180 of 230 councils, the Tories had lost 673 seats while Labour had gained 437 and the Lib Dems had gained 281. The Green Party had gained 148 councillors.

Sucecssful independent candidates were down by 180 compared to 2019.

[Cherie]

Two expelled left wing members of the Labour Party, expelled for being left wing, both won council seats as independents with big margins, one of them with 77%, just a forewarning for labour people that think Jezza hasn’t got a chance of keeping his seat in the general

He is a shoe in, he does a lot for his constituents

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/05/17/70626081-12050075-image-a-55_1683304252074.jpg

[arista]

Lib Dems Gain Surrey Heath from NOC.

Lib Dems Gain West Berkshire from Conservatives



Labour Gain Cheshire West & Chester from NOC.

Labour Gain Thanet from NOC


Greens Gain Folkestone & Hythe from Conservatives

Brighton and Hove goes back to Labour from the Greens

[Zizu]

So apparently if there were a general election tomorrow .. it would very close with the Tories still slightly ahead .. even after all their failures and scandals.

Given that the current government and the current state of the country can’t possibly get any worse ( plus Covid isn’t even regarded as a minor threat ) then kinda it suggests that the Tories will win the next general election.


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[Liam-]

So apparently if there were a general election tomorrow .. it would very close with the Tories still slightly ahead .. even after all their failures and scandals.

Given that the current government and the current state of the country can’t possibly get any worse ( plus Covid isn’t even regarded as a minor threat ) then kinda it suggests that the Tories will win the next general election.


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Literally every projection currently shows Labour being 20 odd seats short of an overall majority, where are you getting that information from? :joker:

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
Change in Councils

199 of 230 councils declared

Conservative - 41
Labour +19
LibDem +9
Green +1

[Liam-]

Over 1000 seats lost :dazzler:

[The Slim Reaper]

Young people know what's up.

1654233515230130178

[Crimson Dynamo]

Over 1000 seats lost :dazzler:

if they dont realise that is a resounding verdict on their utter omnishambles of government than im not sure what will?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Young people know what's up.

1654233515230130178

dont ask kids serious questions as you get stupid answers

[Zizu]

Literally every projection currently shows Labour being 20 odd seats short of an overall majority, where are you getting that information from? :joker:


Sky News talked about some projections


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[arista]

1654485751847960576

[Crimson Dynamo]

If Sunak had come out and said "yes we have fckd up but we will accept that and try better" he would have been lauded

to come out pretending his 5 failed pledges have any relevance is a disgrace

[arista]

1654538269743362049

[Alf]

Young people know what's up.

1654233515230130178They have Burnham in third/fourth place. That guy brings shame on Evertonian's.

The youngsters don't even know who Chuck Berry was or how many genders there are and I bet none of them have seen a Laurel and Hardy film.

[Oliver_W]

They have Burnham in third/fourth place. That guy brings shame on Evertonian's.

The youngsters don't even know who Chuck Berry was or how many genders there are and I bet none of them have seen a Laurel and Hardy film.

I generally don't judge people's perception on politics based on their knowledge of media older than their grandparents.

(though agreed on the gender BS)

[Alf]

I generally don't judge people's perception on politics based on their knowledge of media older than their grandparents.

(though agreed on the gender BS)Tell me you don't know who Chuck Berry is or that you've never watched a Laurel and Hardy film without telling me you don't know who Chuck Berry is and have never watched a Laural and Hardy film

[Alf]

The thing is Oliver. Chuck Berry was at his peak 20 years before I was born and Laurel and Hardy was in their prime 40/50 years before I was born. But I still grew up with them.

History came easy, I loved history. The youngsters today seem to detest it. They see themselves superior to the teenage boys that sacrificed their lives so that these ungrateful buggers can have freedom that they'd happily give away to tyrants just so they can look virtuous.

They couldn't care less who Chuck Berry is or who Laurel and Hardy is. Because that's their attitude.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The thing is Oliver. Chuck Berry was at his peak 20 years before I was born and Laurel and Hardy was in their prime 40/50 years before I was born. But I still grew up with them.

History came easy, I loved history. The youngsters today seem to detest it. They see themselves superior to the teenage boys that sacrificed their lives so that these ungrateful buggers can have freedom that they'd happily give away to tyrants just so they can look virtuous.

They couldn't care less who Chuck Berry is or who Laurel and Hardy is.

I grew up watching Laurel and Hardy and Harold Llyod

[Alf]

I grew up watching Laurel and Hardy and Harold LlyodGood lad, they paved the way for the comedy that we all enjoyed since.

You don't need to watch them if you don't want, but be aware of who they are and what they did.

Like Chuck Berry, he influenced the music in the second half of the 20th century more than anyone. He was the poet and probably the sound of rock n roll. He influenced the British invasion of The Beatles and The Stones ect and they influenced the next.

These youngsters these days think they know it all. Is all they know is how to say "I'm anti-facist" "I love dogs and cats" "I'm protecting the environment"

It's all about them taking the praise and giving nothing.

[Oliver_W]

The thing is Oliver. Chuck Berry was at his peak 20 years before I was born and Laurel and Hardy was in their prime 40/50 years before I was born. But I still grew up with them.

Blondie, Queen, Guns N Roses, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Monty Python, and Carry On all pre-dated me by various amounts of time, and I grew up with all of them :shrug:

[Alf]

Blondie, Queen, Guns N Roses, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Monty Python, and Carry On all pre-dated me by various amounts of time, and I grew up with all of them :shrug:And that's why you're a good lad, who isn't sucked in to the bullish!t.

[joeysteele]

A nightmare for the Cons.

Labour needs to do a bit more but I'd settle for a hung parliament with them as largest Party.

Surprised the Lib Dems have done as well as they have.

Well done to the Green party too.

Really interesting night and then day today.
Now I'll get some sleep tonight.

[arista]

A nightmare for the Cons.

Labour needs to do a bit more but I'd settle for a hung parliament with them as largest Party.

Surprised the Lib Dems have done as well as they have.

Well done to the Green party too.

Really interesting night and then day today.
Now I'll get some sleep tonight.



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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvZNFs3WcAAHJpe?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

"I'd settle for a hung parliament "


I won't Joey
Call another General Election is better

The next week after the Mess up.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/05/07/70607791-12048157-image-a-21_1683268531163.jpg

Sunak PM
Taking in hand made Bacon (BLT)
Sandwiches for his troops.

[arista]

Large England Map
results


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/election/2023-england.jpg?t=1683337670018

[arista]

Also Starmer, Joey
can not take power with One Scottish Labour MP.

So until the UK General Election Oct-Nov 2024
it's a long wait

[joeysteele]

Also Starmer Joey
can not take power with One Scottish Labour MP.

So until the UK General Election Oct-Nov 2024
it's a long wait

Of course he can.

You are forgetting that were Labour short of an overall majority.
Which I think they won't be looking at yesterday's results.

There's now NO other party who would commit to doing anything to assist the Cons to be in power.

The SNP wouldn't dare vote to bring down a minority Labour government.
Thereby helping the Cons back in via another possible election.
How the SNP would sell that to Scotland and inflict the Cons on them again.
They really would be likely finished then.

The votes in parliament wouldn't be there to risk another Con government.

It's incredible that in Parliament, every single other Party there.
Wants the Cons out and will not risk anything to have them back in.

If it was more necessary then the Lib Dems would be up for at least a voting agreement.
They've had to wait 10 years nearly to get their revenge on the Cons turning against them.

Plus you don't need 326 for an overall majority.
The speaker and the 3 deputy speakers don't usually vote in parliament.
Labour has to put up 2 and the Cons put up 2.

Sinn Fein currently on 7 seats don't come to Westminster.
So that leaves 639 MPs who vote in debates.
Not 650.
So only 320 is needed for to have overall majority votes in the Commons.
Not 326.

[bots]

labour will be the next government, and people need to get used to it

[Oliver_W]

labour will be the next government, and people need to get used to it

Sure, but in what capacity?

I think the most likely outcome is a coalition headed by Labour, or a hung parliament.

An outright win would require a larger landslide that Blair's.

[bots]

the lib dem vote will disappear at the GE as it usually does and labour will end up with a tidy majority

I think there will be a massive swing to labour. You forget that its the swing seats that determine the result, most of which are artificially tory at the moment, so them returning to labour next time is pretty much a certainty

[joeysteele]

the lib dem vote will disappear at the GE as it usually does and labour will end up with a tidy majority

I think there will be a massive swing to labour. You forget that its the swing seats that determine the result, most of which are artificially tory at the moment, so them returning to labour next time is pretty much a certainty

I agree with that and think and hope you are proved right.
Plus the Independents vote rarely feature strongly in general elections too.
Unlike in these local elections.

[Oliver_W]

Now that "Brexit is Done", BoJo wasn't the fun clown everyone was expecting and is now gone anyway, and Corbyn is also gone (whatever you think of those topics, they affected the vote) I'm guessing some of the Red Wall will be restored.

Has there been any talk of other parties not standing in potential swing seats?

[bots]

All labour have to do is play the speech of Sunak to the people of tunbridge wells where he crowed about taking money designated for levelling up in the north and gave it to the poor folks of tunbridge wells .... job done :laugh:

[joeysteele]

All labour have to do is play the speech of Sunak to the people of tunbridge wells where he crowed about taking money designated for levelling up in the north and gave it to the poor folks of tunbridge wells .... job done :laugh:

He has actually been told that by a lot of Labour members.
I hope he has listened.

[Oliver_W]

All labour have to do is play the speech of Sunak to the people of tunbridge wells where he crowed about taking money designated for levelling up in the north and gave it to the poor folks of tunbridge wells .... job done :laugh:

I'm very much in favour of hoisting people by their own petard :laugh: he's not quite a Johnson where there's enough material to make a damning Sizzle Reel though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The worst thing about the next election

After the results from Thursday, every commentator will say that Labour are
certain to win the next general election. But they’re wrong. Labour aren’t
going to win.

The Tories are going to lose.

This is a crucial distinction. Most voters are plainly motivated by grim
disillusionment with the Government – not delirious enthusiasm for Labour’s
policies, whatever they may be. By the election, the Tories will have been in
power for 14 years. More than enough for all but their most loyal supporters
to have grown heartily sick of them. So, as it tends to do in such
circumstances, the country will sigh, and give the sole available alternative a
whirl.

That, though, is not how pro-Labour pundits and celebrities will view it.
Instead, they’ll treat the result as an endorsement not only of Labour, but of
their own personal worldview.

“See!” they’ll crow. “This shows that the Tories got the British people
completely wrong, with their hateful Right-wing culture wars. Clearly the
public actually LOVE small boats. And puberty blockers, and the EU, and
reparations for slavery, and teaching primary school children about dildos.
The Tories are so out of touch…”

For Conservatives, this is going to be the worst thing about the next general
election. Not the result. But the gloating afterwards.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/05/06/leo-varadkar-hate-speech-laws-ireland/

[Zizu]

labour will be the next government, and people need to get used to it


A hung parliament though .. maybe even a coalition if Tories shake a leg or two



( if only lol )


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[bots]

exactly the same was true at the end of the tony blair era

[joeysteele]

exactly the same was true at the end of the tony blair era

Yes it was.

Government's LOSE elections and oppositions then win.

That's so in ALL elections over all the decades.
It doesn't change the FACT one lot get thrown out and the other lot get put in.
So of course one lot will celebrate.
The other be left wanting.

[Zizu]

Yes it was.

Government's LOSE elections and oppositions then win.

That's so in ALL elections over all the decades.
It doesn't change the FACT one lot get thrown out and the other lot get put in.
So of course one lot will celebrate.
The other be left wanting.


.. and nothing will change ..


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[joeysteele]

.. and nothing will change ..


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Well if those who really want change got off their backsides and made a case for it, then voted for the nearest to the change they want.
Rather than just complain about governnments and Parties the voters actually do get off their backsides and vote for to at even just try to at least do something to enact change.
Maybe some new or better change could be achieved.

[arista]

exactly the same was true at the end of the tony blair era


But Blair was Clear on his way forward

Starmer so far, a Multi U turner

[joeysteele]

But Blair was Clear on his way forward

Starmer so far, a Multi U turner

Major was ruined by his anti Europe backbenchers.

He was in his governnent on the way down.
That government deserved to lose and did
For its failures and division.
So it really lost the election.

Voters just got behind the one way to get that governnent out.

It's similar here too.
This shocking and detestable governnent deserve to lose but again by voters getting behind the one way to ensure they do.

I am furious at Starmer for his changes of mind and policy.
However this far, he hasn't u turned on anything in a manifesto he's presented to voters for government.

He hasn't a manifesto yet.
Were he to u turn on any manifesto then that criticism is more valid.

We've got in your government today Chris Philp who was chief secretary to the treasury under Truss's time with Kwarteng as Chancellor.
Stating all they were doing was right.

Now he's in Sunak's government under a totally different policy set up.

Now there's a creep who REALLY cannot be trusted.

[bots]

A local election count was abandoned while votes were being tallied after one of the candidates died.

Gillian Lemmon, 52, was a Conservative hopeful in the Hilton ward for South Derbyshire District Council.

She died at about 12:45 BST after sudden health difficulties, the Local Democracy Reporting Service (LDRS) said.

Returning officer Ardip Sandhu said a by-election would now take place for all three vacant positions in the ward.

Had Ms Lemmon died after the result was declared there would only have been a by-election for her seat, not all three.

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-65504109

Yes rare to happen
Sad death, wrong time

[arista]

[We've got in your government today
Chris Philip who was
chief secretary to the treasury under Truss's time
with Kwarteng as Chancellor.
Stating all they were doing was right.]



Yes Joey
it seems Chris is in another universe

You are very valid about him
he is Very Slick.

[joeysteele]

A local election count was abandoned while votes were being tallied after one of the candidates died.

Gillian Lemmon, 52, was a Conservative hopeful in the Hilton ward for South Derbyshire District Council.

She died at about 12:45 BST after sudden health difficulties, the Local Democracy Reporting Service (LDRS) said.

Returning officer Ardip Sandhu said a by-election would now take place for all three vacant positions in the ward.

Had Ms Lemmon died after the result was declared there would only have been a by-election for her seat, not all three.

That's really sad.