'I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more' Tom Jones Banned

[arista]

[But with the WRU reeling from allegations
of a “toxic” culture and misogyny the
governing body has responded to claims
that it promotes violence against
women by banning it.
The song includes
the lyric: “She stood there laughing/
[B]I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more.”]

Yes you Bugger,
you murdered her




[The Welsh Rugby Union has ordered
the 1968 Sir Tom Jones hit Delilah
to be removed from its Principality Stadium
choirs’ song list on the eve of the 2023 Six Nations.

The pop song about a jealous lover stabbing
his unfaithful paramour has been lustily
sung by Welsh fans and become something
of an alternative sporting anthem.]


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/feb/01/delilah-welsh-rugby-union-choirs-banned-from-singing-tom-jones-hit

[Zizu]

I just don’t see how they can prevent thousands of fans singing the song whenever they feel like it ..


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[AnnieK]

I just don’t see how they can prevent thousands of fans singing the song whenever they feel like it ..


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They said the same thing on the news this morning.

They have just stopped it being sang by official choirs or played into the stadiums but they know it will continue to be sung by the fans initially

[bots]

pesky fans

[Zizu]

They said the same thing on the news this morning.

They have just stopped it being sang by official choirs or played into the stadiums but they know it will continue to be sung by the fans initially


So it’s a pointless thing to do then ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

more woke bollocks

fear of blame

virtue signalling

[arista]

more woke bollocks

fear of blame

virtue signalling


But
He Sticks his Knife in her
and she laughed NO More.




It is Banned Officially

But Fans will Sing It

[Alf]

Tom Jones was asked if he thought this decision was normal.

He replied by saying "in this day and age, it's not unusual"

[Zizu]

Tom Jones was asked if he thought this decision was normal.

He replied by saying "in this day and age, it's not unusual"


Many won’t get it ;)


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[user104658]

It is a pretty disturbing lyric, to be fair.

[arista]

Tom Jones was asked if he thought this decision was normal.

He replied by saying "in this day and age, it's not unusual"


He was just the singer
Back then women mean't less

[Alf]

Many won’t get it ;)


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[arista]

It is a pretty disturbing lyric, to be fair.


Loads were not aware he Killed her
in that Graphic Song.
Until the Words were on TV Screens today


See LT

Clever Educated TS


Understands
why it had to be banned.

[GoldHeart]

For goodness sake, it's just a song.

And I'd like to see how they police singing it .

[Crimson Dynamo]

But
He Sticks his Knife in her
and she laughed NO More.




It is Banned Officially

But Fans will Sing It


yes he killed her in a lyric

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/belm.png

[Alf]

It is a pretty disturbing lyric, to be fair.No more disturbing than an Agatha Christie Novel, a horror movie or an episode of Eastenders.

Let's just ban everything then the World will be a better place.

[bots]

it's not banned. A choir won't sing it at matches, that's not banning it

[arista]

it's not banned. A choir won't sing it at matches, that's not banning it


Yes
at the Matches,
The Club in charge
have Banned it.


It is no longer the Official Song

[bots]

the have much bigger problems in welsh rugby that they are trying to distract from

[arista]

they have much bigger problems in welsh rugby that they are trying to distract from


Yes,
many have stated just that today
on TV and Radio.

[GoldHeart]

It is a pretty disturbing lyric, to be fair.

How far do we go with banning songs then ? , There's alot of vulgar & disturbing lyrics in other songs ?.

It's funny how Delilah is seen as being too 'violent' , but little girls are singing cardi B WAP on tiktok & boys are happily singing to every rap song out there .

[Cherie]

Tom Jones was asked if he thought this decision was normal.

He replied by saying "in this day and age, it's not unusual"

:joker:

[Vanessa]

It's just a song. No deeper meaning that that.

[Zizu]

How far do we go with banning songs then ? , There's alot of vulgar & disturbing lyrics in other songs ?.

It's funny how Delilah is seen as being too 'violent' , but little girls are singing cardi B WAP on tiktok & boys are happily singing to every rap song out there .


I was thinking the exact same thing .. where will this all end ?


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[Livia]

After all the allegations of misogyny and abuse of women levelled at the WRU, they've responded by banning fans singing a song. Genius.

[bots]

this is why they are doing it .........


The Welsh Rugby Union is facing allegations of sexism and discrimination that have left the MP and former Wales international Tonia Antoniazzi expressing “great concerns” over the women’s game in the country. A number of former WRU employees have taken part in an investigation by BBC Wales, to be screened on Monday night, making accusations about their time at the governing body.

Charlotte Wathan, the general manager of women’s rugby until her resignation last February, claims offensive comments by a colleague left her in tears and feeling sick. Another, unnamed, contributor says she was left contemplating suicide by her experiences of bullying and sexism at work, according to BBC Wales Investigates. Incidents of racism and homophobia are also alleged.

The WRU said an “amicable resolution” had been reached with Wathan “satisfying both parties” after an investigation by an external law firm. It said a confidentiality agreement between the parties prevented further details. It noted that another of the complaints had been investigated and subsequently withdrawn, while new information included in the broadcast would be “followed up and acted upon”.

A spokesperson said: “The Welsh Rugby Union condemns the use of racist, homophobic or sexist language and states in the strongest possible terms that racism, homophobic, sexist or bullying behaviour has no place in Welsh rugby.”

A statement said: “It is vitally important to note that we have a duty of care as employers to both the complainants and those complained against. That duty of care continues and we are deeply concerned about the effect of this programme on those individuals in respect of the fact the allegations described remain unsubstantiated following a thorough independent legal investigation.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jan/23/welsh-rugby-union-wru-facing-allegations-sexism-discrimination-bbc-investigation

[arista]

It's just a song. No deeper meaning that that.


Not anymore

Those Words went on loads of TV shows today


It has Killed the Song

[Alf]

After all the allegations of misogyny and abuse of women levelled at the WRU, they've responded by banning fans singing a song. Genius.They have to be seen to be doing something other than attend functions to justify the high salaries they pay themselves.

[Alf]

Great song

Not banned on Tibb



MIIU9xkGAMs

[Liam-]

For goodness sake, it's just a song.

And I'd like to see how they police singing it .

And just like that im proven right once again, it’s never felt this unsatisfying to be right

[GoldHeart]

And just like that im proven right once again, it’s never felt this unsatisfying to be right

Right about what??? .
Let's ban cardi b's WAP & every rapper song then ??? :hee: .

[Alf]

The lyric doesn't suggest he was gonna use it on her. He just had a knife in his hand. Maybe he was about to chop some onions?

[Liam-]

Right about what??? .
Let's ban cardi b's WAP & every rapper song then ??? :hee: .

Right about you, yesterday you were worried about the dangers and influence over Sam Smith’s song, now today you’re back to ‘it’s just a song’, making it very clear what your real problem was with it, so predictable

[Mystic Mock]

If anyone is physically harming women because they listened to Delilah, then they were already a ****ed up individual anyway.

I feel like we're honestly going backwards with some of these decisions being made, I honestly won't be shocked that when GTA VI comes out that it isn't much more reserved just to avoid all of this pathetic drama.

[Mystic Mock]

It is a pretty disturbing lyric, to be fair.

Maybe he was trying to create a song with a darker tone to it? Which should be allowed.

[GoldHeart]

Right about you, yesterday you were worried about the dangers and influence over Sam Smith’s song, now today you’re back to ‘it’s just a song’, making it very clear what your real problem was with it, so predictable


Are you actually feeling ok ?? :crazy: :facepalm:

There's plenty of innapropriate songs ,but where do you draw the line ??.

And as far as I know....I never saw Tom Jones performing anything visually crossing the line .

[arista]

If anyone is physically harming women because they listened to Delilah, then they were already a ****ed up individual anyway.

I feel like we're honestly going backwards with some of these decisions being made, I honestly won't be shocked that when GTA VI comes out that it isn't much more reserved just to avoid all of this pathetic drama.


NO MOCK


GTA6 is for 18 year olds and over
not on general radio

[arista]

Great song

Not banned on Tibb



MIIU9xkGAMs



Yes
glad you have the USA Color version

[user104658]

I mean the song is literally about a man killing a woman for cheating on him and arguing that it's her own fault for "making him crazy" with her actions - a classic time-old excuse used by abusers and people who murder their partners.

But I guess if people like that sort of thing that's on them :umm:. Forum's descending further into Redpill misogyny by the day it seems. Remember when The Truth got banned for his aggressive misogyny and we mostly understood why that was justified?

He'd fit right in these days :joker:. Let's invite him back. At least he was unintentionally funny.

[Alf]

I mean the song is literally about a man killing a woman for cheating on him and arguing that it's her own fault for "making him crazy" with her actions - a classic time-old excuse used by abusers and people who murder their partners.

But I guess if people like that sort of thing that's on them :umm:. Forum's descending further into Redpill misogyny by the day it seems. Remember when The Truth got banned for his aggressive misogyny and we mostly understood why that was justified?

He'd fit right in these days :joker:. Let's invite him back. At least he was unintentionally funny.Here he comes to save the day.

Women will never be unsafe with you here as their protection.

[user104658]

Are you actually feeling ok ?? :crazy: :facepalm:

There's plenty of innapropriate songs ,but where do you draw the line ??.

And as far as I know....I never saw Tom Jones performing anything visually crossing the line .

If the line isn't before this:

I crossed the street to her house and she opened the door
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more

My, my, my Delilah
Why, why, why Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me Delilah I just couldn't take anymore

Then there clearly is no line. I possibly shouldn't be surprised tha you're OK with the song GoldHeart - you did support Depp over Heard, after all, as did many on here, and I suppose that mindset requires making excuses for men becoming violent when women don't behave how they want them to. By that logic, the song is fine.

Personally I'd be banning it from more than Rugby matches, and getting the sniffer dogs in for a walk round Tom Jones' vegetable patch.

[user104658]

Here he comes to save the day.

Women will never be unsafe with you here as their protection.

"Haw haw haw, look at you, concerned about women's safety unlike us real men!"

:idc: I have daughters Alf so yes women's sefety is high on my priorities list, we don't all sit around alone all day reading Redpill and watching old sitcoms.

[Alf]

"Haw haw haw, look at you, concerned about women's safety unlike us real men!"

:idc: I have daughters Alf so yes women's sefety is high on my priorities list, we don't all sit around alone all day reading Redpill and watching old sitcoms.You should do, you wouldn't be so touchy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is a an update to the lyrics they have found a new last verse


Then I moved to Scotland
Put on a wig and got a pink phonecase
Told them i aint Tom im Tilda
And wee Jimmy Krankie sent to taw a wummins prison
and i stabbed a few more

[user104658]

You should do, you wouldn't be so touchy.

Because I'd be the tragic prisoner of the emotional shutdown associated with deep depression?

[GoldHeart]

If the line isn't before this:

I crossed the street to her house and she opened the door
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more

My, my, my Delilah
Why, why, why Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me Delilah I just couldn't take anymore

Then there clearly is no line. I possibly shouldn't be surprised tha you're OK with the song GoldHeart - you did support Depp over Heard, after all, as did many on here, and I suppose that mindset requires making excuses for men becoming violent when women don't behave how they want them to. By that logic, the song is fine.

Personally I'd be banning it from more than Rugby matches, and getting the sniffer dogs in for a walk round Tom Jones' vegetable patch.

Unbelievable :bored:

Where have I ever excused men being violent towards women!??. Are you asleep when I comment on Andrew Tate?? .

[Alf]

Let's do a top 40 countdown of the song lyrics the facists should ban.


"Mama, just killed a man, put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger now he's dead"

[MTVN]

Let's do a top 40 countdown of the song lyrics the facists should ban.


"Mama, just killed a man, put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger now he's dead"

'I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Steps

"Too Weak To Resist"

We stood before our friends and pledged eternal love
To have and to hold
We both meant every word and spoke of one above
Love could not grow cold

Then I found myself so many nights
Wandering with a claw hammer and duct tape
Out to split a skull
And bury her in my crawl space


:nono:

[Alf]

O Flower of Scotland,
When will we see
Your likes again,
That fought and died for,
Your wee bit Hill and Glen,
And stood against them,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent them homeward,
Tae think again

[bots]

Friday night they'll be dressed to kill
Down at Dino's Bar'n'Grill
The drink will flow and blood will spill
And if the boys wanna fight, you better let 'em
That jukebox in the corner blastin' out my favorite song
The nights are getting longer, it won't be long
Won't be long 'til summer comes
Now that the boys are here again

[user104658]

"Macho macho man!
I've got to beee
...a Macho Man.
Macho macho man,
I gotta be a macho!"

Andrew Tate ft. Alf.

[bots]

Sir Elton ....


… It's getting late, have you seen my mates?
Ma, tell me when the boys get here
It's seven o'clock, and I wanna rock
Want to get a belly full of beer
… My old man's drunker than a barrel full of monkeys
And my old lady, she don't care
My sister looks cute in her braces and boots
A handful of grease in her hair
… Oh, don't give us none of your aggravation
We had it with your discipline
Oh, Saturday night's alright for fighting
Get a little action in
… Get about as oiled as a diesel train
Gonna set this dance alight
'Cause Saturday night's the night I like
Saturday night's alright, alright, alright, ooh
… Well, they're packed pretty tight in here tonight
I'm looking for a dolly who'll see me right
I may use a little muscle to get what I need
I may sink a little drink and shout out, "She's with me"
… A couple of the sounds that I really like
Are the sounds of a switchblade and a motorbike
I'm a juvenile product of the working class
Whose best friend floats in the bottom of a glass, oh
… Don't give us none of your aggravation
We had it with your discipline
Saturday night's alright for fighting
Get a little action in
… Get about as oiled as a diesel train
Gonna set this dance alight
'Cause Saturday night's the night I like
Saturday night's alright, alright, alright, ooh
… Oh, don't give us none of your aggravation
We had it with your discipline
Saturday night's alright for fighting
Get a little action in

[The Slim Reaper]

It' s really disheartening to see so many champions of women opposing this, when it hasn't even been banned; it's just been removed from the playlist of the choir. That action alone makes it more likely to reverberate around the stadium.

Not sure if folks really think they've hit on something by posting other song lyrics that also haven't been banned, or whether they will now be calling for those other songs to be taken up by official choirs.

[Alf]

"Macho macho man!
I've got to beee
...a Macho Man.
Macho macho man,
I gotta be a macho!"

Andrew Tate ft. Alf.Burning down the house

Adolf Hitler ft Toy Soldier

[Crimson Dynamo]

ANY RAP SONG

[Alf]

It' s really disheartening to see so many champions of women opposing this, when it hasn't even been banned; it's just been removed from the playlist of the choir. That action alone makes it more likely to reverberate around the stadium.

Not sure if folks really think they've hit on something by posting other song lyrics that also haven't been banned, or whether they will now be calling for those other songs to be taken up by official choirs.You say that but then you get Chief Constables tweeting things like this and we have to question your defensive explanation.



1620896473083793409

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/CatharineHoey/status/1621284374778970118?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/chardanik/status/1621205204774395904?s=20


:laugh2:

[The Slim Reaper]

You say that but then you get Chief Constables tweeting things like this and we have to question your defensive explanation.



1620896473083793409

I said it was banned for choirs to sing, and that's exactly what the tweet says, so I think I'm missing whatever you think this tweet is actually saying.

[Alf]

I said it was banned for choirs to sing, and that's exactly what the tweet says, so I think I'm missing whatever you think this tweet is actually saying.The tweet doesn't mention the word "chior" The BBC article he attached to his tweet did. But he ended his tweet by saying "it's time to sing something else" not "It's time for chiors to sing something else"

Also, he should have no power to enforce that on a chior.

[The Slim Reaper]

The tweet doesn't mention the word "chior" The BBC article he attached to his tweet did. But he ended his tweet by saying "it's time to sing something else" not "It's time for choirs to sing something else"

Also, he should have no power to enforce that on a choir.

The article that 5-0 attached, has it clearly set out in the tag line

The tweet doesn't say that the song is banned, either, or that anyone would be arrested for singing it. You know that guidance/opinion is completely different to law, right?

[arista]

Slim it is a Killer

"I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more"



Thug rammimg his Knife into her heart

[The Slim Reaper]

Thanks for clarifying, Arista. I initially thought it was about an over-zealous tickler.

[GoldHeart]

Is Barry Manilow's song ( copacabana ) going to be criticised next?. It involves murder & mental illness ? ....all sang with another upbeat tune .

[arista]

Is Barry Manilow's song ( copacabana ) going to be criticised next?. It involves murder & mental illness ? ....all sang with another upbeat tune .

Do not know the words?

[user104658]

Is Barry Manilow's song ( copacabana ) going to be criticised next?. It involves murder & mental illness ? ....all sang with another upbeat tune .

It's not about it "having murder in it", it's about the old trope that a woman's infidelity and even more specifically a woman mocking/laughing at a man is a justification for that man to become violent or even murderous.

Men literally get away with murder as "crimes of passion" in court because the jury has been convinced that his poor little ego was just so broken by rage and jealousy that the outburst wasn't his fault.

That's what the song is about. Really gross.

Like I said before, heavy Johnny Depp vibes.

[Mystic Mock]

I mean the song is literally about a man killing a woman for cheating on him and arguing that it's her own fault for "making him crazy" with her actions - a classic time-old excuse used by abusers and people who murder their partners.

But I guess if people like that sort of thing that's on them :umm:. Forum's descending further into Redpill misogyny by the day it seems. Remember when The Truth got banned for his aggressive misogyny and we mostly understood why that was justified?

He'd fit right in these days :joker:. Let's invite him back. At least he was unintentionally funny.

I personally don't like the song or the message.

I just don't want it banned or censored in any way, because we are talking about a song that's from a more backward time when it comes to issues like Misogyny.

And to be brutally honest I just don't like it when people try to push for entertainment products to be banned, rather than actually doing something productive with their time.

[GoldHeart]

It's not about it "having murder in it", it's about the old trope that a woman's infidelity and even more specifically a woman mocking/laughing at a man is a justification for that man to become violent or even murderous.

Men literally get away with murder as "crimes of passion" in court because the jury has been convinced that his poor little ego was just so broken by rage and jealousy that the outburst wasn't his fault.

That's what the song is about. Really gross.

Like I said before, heavy Johnny Depp vibes.

Why do you continue to bring Johnny Depp into this , oh and if you paid attention to those Heard/ Depp threads .... you'd have seen that I talked about the relationship being toxic and ugly on both sides. But I really believe Depp has mental health issues aswell as addiction problems, and Heard & her family/ friends were doing drugs with him aswell .

So don't tell me that I defend or excuse violent men .... just because I don't see the point in banning a 60 year old Tom Jones song,which every Tom dick & Harry use to sing along to merrily ... until it suddenly starts to be 'offensive' .

You know I hate misogynistic pr1cks like Clarkson ,Piers & Tate . But you seem to be asleep when I comment on those tw@ts .

[Beso]

It's not a song a choir should be singing.

Why why why, you ask me.

Because it's about knifing a woman to death, and I I I, see choirs as a churchy thing..I know Wales is different though. I bet you a welsh womans choir sings it soon on tik tok

[user104658]

I personally don't like the song or the message.

I just don't want it banned or censored in any way, because we are talking about a song that's from a more backward time when it comes to issues like Misogyny.

And to be brutally honest I just don't like it when people try to push for entertainment products to be banned, rather than actually doing something productive with their time.

It's not being outright banned or censored though, they just don't want people singing it at sports matches... much the same as certain songs are banned at LT's Rangers matches. There's a good reason.

[Mystic Mock]

If the line isn't before this:

I crossed the street to her house and she opened the door
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more

My, my, my Delilah
Why, why, why Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me Delilah I just couldn't take anymore

Then there clearly is no line. I possibly shouldn't be surprised tha you're OK with the song GoldHeart - you did support Depp over Heard, after all, as did many on here, and I suppose that mindset requires making excuses for men becoming violent when women don't behave how they want them to. By that logic, the song is fine.

Personally I'd be banning it from more than Rugby matches, and getting the sniffer dogs in for a walk round Tom Jones' vegetable patch.

Amber Heard was the one proven to be violent in that relationship.

Like you, I wouldn't be surprised at Depp being violent as well, but being honest the evidence does make it look at the very least that Heard was the aggressor.

[user104658]

Amber Heard was the one proven to be violent in that relationship.

Like you, I wouldn't be surprised at Depp being violent as well, but being honest the evidence does make it look at the very least that Heard was the aggressor.

False. Nothing at all was "proven" (it wasn't a criminal trial) and Depp is quite blatantly an abusive alcoholic, who continued to leverage the law and social media to psychologically abuse Amber Heard throughout the trial. I don't want to get back into that again on here though really and shouldn't have brought it up - that thread was an absolute mess.

[Alf]

It's not being outright banned or censored though, they just don't want people singing it at sports matches... much the same as certain songs are banned at LT's Rangers matches. There's a good reason.Who is "they?"

Are you talking about the regime?

[GoldHeart]

Amber Heard was the one proven to be violent in that relationship.

Like you, I wouldn't be surprised at Depp being violent as well, but being honest the evidence does make it look at the very least that Heard was the aggressor.

People still want to put all the blame on Depp as he's the "big bad wolf " in their eyes, the evidence clearly showed she was violent and aggressive. Nobody is excusing Depp's behaviour....but Heard is no victim simple as that ! and she's a liar ! .

[Mystic Mock]

It's not being outright banned or censored though, they just don't want people singing it at sports matches... much the same as certain songs are banned at LT's Rangers matches. There's a good reason.

I personally think that if people want to sing the song at Sports matches, they can, obviously this logic goes for the Choirs as well who have been basically cautioned against singing the song.

Personally I'll never really agree with censoring songs, especially when Blurred Lines is freely available for people to sing.

[Alf]

Premier League darts in Wales next Thursday. Gerwyn Price should come out to "Delilah"

[Beso]

People still want to put all the blame on Depp as he's the "big bad wolf " in their eyes, the evidence clearly showed she was violent and aggressive. Nobody is excusing Depp's behaviour....but Heard is no victim simple as that ! and she's a liar ! .

Oh give over. Most depp fans are still moist for him even after all that evidence of abuse.

[GoldHeart]

Oh give over. Most depp fans are still moist for him even after all that evidence of abuse.

Incorrect
Not everyone on Depp's side liked him that way ,there was people who were never Depp fans .... still defending him due to the evidence .

[Alf]

You do realise the Depp trial was nonsense and just put on to distract you from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.

They were actors playing their role.

[Beso]

Incorrect
Not everyone on Depp's side liked him that way ,there was people who were never Depp fans .... still defending him due to the evidence .

Yes that's true, but like I said, most are...yours can be described as some if you want.:shrug:

[Zizu]

Is Barry Manilow's song ( copacabana ) going to be criticised next?. It involves murder & mental illness ? ....all sang with another upbeat tune .


Let’s hope this one gets perm-banned !!

https://youtu.be/mfODYOp41ww


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[GoldHeart]

Let’s hope this one gets perm-banned !!

https://youtu.be/mfODYOp41ww


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Ikr lol
Their own mother wrote that song aswell ...weird .

[The Slim Reaper]

Imagine being so riled up by this, that you think any other song in the world is a gotcha :laugh:

[Alf]

Imagine being so riled up by this, that you think any other song in the world is a gotcha :laugh:But then imagine being riled up by those who are riled up that you try to put those riled up people beneath you.

[The Slim Reaper]

But then imagine being riled up by those who are riled up that you try to put those riled up people beneath you.

I think we have different definitions of riled up, because this is hilarious. When you raised a point about my post in this thread, we had a respectful conversation, which is in opposition to putting you beneath me.

[GiRTh]

This is most strange.

I'm a hip hop fan and some of my favourites tracks, that are considered classics, the lyrics are misogynistic and frankly most of Lil Kim's back catalogue is obscene.

I'll accept it that a choir is unlikely to ever perform any of those tracks but to take this action against Delilah seems strange.

The arts, in general, are filled with horrific stories/scenes/characters that are considered classic's.

Lets explore the term 'Bodice Ripper'. Is it me or does it suggest sexual violence? When the bodice has been ripped off what do we think happens next? And do we think think the women are consenting to it all? There are so many things that can legitimately be questioned so why go after Delilah. As I say to me, this is strange

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is most strange.

I'm a hip hop fan and some of my favourites tracks, that are considered classics, the lyrics are misogynistic and frankly most of Lil Kim's back catalogue is obscene.

I'll accept it that a choir is unlikely to ever perform any of those tracks but to take this action against Delilah seems strange.

The arts, in general, are filled with horrific stories/scenes/characters that are considered classic's.

Lets explore the term 'Bodice Ripper'. Is it me or does it suggest sexual violence? When the bodice has been ripped off what do we think happens next? And do we think think the women are consenting to it all? There are so many things that can legitimately be questioned so why go after Delilah. As I say to me, this is strange

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[GoldHeart]

This is most strange.

I'm a hip hop fan and some of my favourites tracks, that are considered classics, the lyrics are misogynistic and frankly most of Lil Kim's back catalogue is obscene.

I'll accept it that a choir is unlikely to ever perform any of those tracks but to take this action against Delilah seems strange.

The arts, in general, are filled with horrific stories/scenes/characters that are considered classic's.

Lets explore the term 'Bodice Ripper'. Is it me or does it suggest sexual violence? When the bodice has been ripped off what do we think happens next? And do we think think the women are consenting to it all? There are so many things that can legitimately be questioned so why go after Delilah. As I say to me, this is strange


That's what I find really weird...they go after a 60 year old song . So many modern songs today are filled with violence & all sorts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not being outright banned or censored though, they just don't want people singing it at sports matches... much the same as certain songs are banned at LT's Rangers matches. There's a good reason.

we sing all our songbook

no songs are banned

Celtic spent all of their last game singing "OOH AHH UP THE RA"

The IRA who killed hundreds of UK innocent people

scum

[Beso]

I like the idea of bodice ripping, I reckon a lot of women would as well.

[Mystic Mock]

Let’s hope this one gets perm-banned !!

https://youtu.be/mfODYOp41ww


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Let's not.:nono::joker:

[Mystic Mock]

we sing all our songbook

no songs are banned

Celtic spent all of their last game singing "OOH AHH UP THE RA"

The IRA who killed hundreds of UK innocent people

scum

Tbf Celtic fans have the right to humiliate themselves in front of everyone in Europe.

I genuinely believe that.

[Beso]

Tbf Celtic fans have the right to humiliate themselves in front of everyone in Europe.

I genuinely believe that.



Names on the cup, it pains me to say..

But you are right.

[Mystic Mock]

Names on the cup, it pains me to say..

But you are right.

There's always next year to try and stop them.:dance:

[Beso]

There's always next year to try and stop them.:dance:

They should be cancelled tbf. Big jock knew.

[user104658]

A peppering of sectarianism on a thread about a misogynistic song. What a delicious treat :facepalm:.

[Alf]

A peppering of sectarianism on a thread about a misogynistic song. What a delicious treat :facepalm:.You're such a misogynist.

[Livia]

Women are still being murdered, coerced, terrorised, brutalised... Women are not able to walk the streets in safety or demonstrate peacefully without a male copper's knee in her neck... Maybe if some of the boys could concentrate on that rather than obsess about a fifty year old song about a fictitious murder.

[Livia]

This is most strange.

I'm a hip hop fan and some of my favourites tracks, that are considered classics, the lyrics are misogynistic and frankly most of Lil Kim's back catalogue is obscene.

I'll accept it that a choir is unlikely to ever perform any of those tracks but to take this action against Delilah seems strange.

The arts, in general, are filled with horrific stories/scenes/characters that are considered classic's.

Lets explore the term 'Bodice Ripper'. Is it me or does it suggest sexual violence? When the bodice has been ripped off what do we think happens next? And do we think think the women are consenting to it all? There are so many things that can legitimately be questioned so why go after Delilah. As I say to me, this is strange


Great post.

[Alf]

Women are still being murdered, coerced, terrorised, brutalised... Women are not able to walk the streets in safety or demonstrate peacefully without a male copper's knee in her neck... Maybe if some of the boys could concentrate on that rather than obsess about a fifty year old song about a fictitious murder.Toy Soldier will be along shortly to mansplain to you about that.

[GiRTh]

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This subject has been making me chuckle for a while. I know this a bit of whataboutism but there are so many examples I can call upon that I had to post something.

Let's explore the classic track - Hey Joe.

First few lines of the song, we know Joe has a gun, he plans to shoot down his 'old lady' for 'messin around, messin around town'. He later tells us he's done the deed - Unclear if he killed her, I'm gonna guess yes - shot her then gave her the gun.

Then comes one of the most iconic and brilliant guitar solos of all time. We'll come back to that.

Joe tells us he plans to flee the authorities by going 'Way down south' to Mexico where he can be free.

Joe sounds like an awful human being. Yet he's painted as quite charismatic and sympathetic.

The 'Arts', for want of a better word, are filled with these kinds of macabre tales of awful yet charming and charismatic people doing horrendous deeds.

If we are to take action against Delila. A track I think is quite tongue-in-cheek in its delivery. How far do we go? Do we deprive a generation of musicians access to Jimi's great solo? Absolutely not. Never. For me, that trumps everything

An artist should be allowed to offend us. Even if a historical work no longer conforms to newfound sensibilities.

Tomorrow we will discuss - The Taming of the Shrew. The next - The Colour Purple. There are so many examples. These works are considered to be classics. We need to be careful about wanting to cancel them.

[GoldHeart]

Next Nancy Sinatra
"My baby shot me down"
Will be censored :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Toy Soldier will be along shortly to mansplain to you about that.

I hate mansplain as a word.

It's honestly the bain of debating imo.:laugh: