Warrington, Cheshire :Boy & Girl,15 both Murdered trans girl Brianna Ghey, 16,

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/12/15/67601465-11742163-image-a-17_1676216304235.jpg
[Brianna Ghey from Birchwood, Cheshire,
was found with multiple stab wounds in the park]


Evil Targeted Killing



[Heartbroken family of 'murdered'
trans girl Brianna Ghey, 16,
pay tribute to 'strong and fearless daughter'
after she was stabbed to death
in park - as boy and girl, 15, are
quizzed over 'targeted' attack

Brianna Ghey was stabbed to death
at Culcheth Linear Park in a 'targeted attack'
Police say there is no evidence the
transgender teen's murder was a hate crime]

[A gymnastics coach who worked
with Brianna when she was younger
told the Liverpool Echo:
'She used to come into the gym in the school
and do gymnastics with us, she was a lovely kid.'

Brianna was found dead by members
of the public on Saturday afternoon.]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11744449/Tragic-TikTok-videos-trans-girl-16-stabbed-death-targeted-attack.html

https://news.sky.com/story/brianna-ghey-family-pay-tribute-to-much-loved-daughter-who-was-stabbed-to-death-in-a-park-12810072

[Liam-]

Poor girl, such hatred in this world

[arista]

Poor girl, such hatred in this world


Yes, a Evil Boy of 15
with a girl.

[A boy and girl, both 15, have been
arrested on suspicion of her murder.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-64625162

[Oliver_W]

Brianna Ghey was stabbed to death
at Culcheth Linear Park in a 'targeted attack'
Police say there is no evidence the
transgender teen's murder was a hate crime]

How does that make sense? Unless it was a targeted attack for personal reasons which have nothing to do with them bejng trans?

[Niamh.]

Very sad RIP.

[Cherie]

whats going on with young girls being stabbed

the little girl in Liverpool, Ava White


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-schoolgirl-16-fighting-life-29071552

and another one

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-hexham-stabbing-girl-15-29073881

[arista]

How does that make sense? Unless it was a targeted attack for personal reasons which have nothing to do with them being trans?


Police are in a Panic
due to Social Media Posts

They are saying it was a targeted attack

[arista]

whats going on with young girls being stabbed

the little girl in Liverpool, Ava White


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-schoolgirl-16-fighting-life-29071552

and another one

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-hexham-stabbing-girl-15-29073881


Evil boys with Deadly knives
to many this year

[Cherie]

Evil boys with Deadly knives
to many this year

one of the suspects in Briannas case is a girl

[arista]

one of the suspects in Briannas case is a girl


Yes, I assume
The Evil Boy is the Killer


Police need to update us.

[Jordan.]

Poor girl. Hopefully not related to the recent spike in transphobia.

[Tom4784]

Due to this country being completely backwards and lacking in any kind of humanity, the girl will be deadnamed and mis-gendered on her death certificate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thankfully they deal in facts

[Swan]

Due to this country being completely backwards and lacking in any kind of humanity, the girl will be deadnamed and mis-gendered on her death certificate.

Very sad. Poor girl. Hopefully her family get some kind of justice.

As much as i can agree the Tories are scum, and always will be. The general population aren't lacking in humanity. The queue earlier for donating clothes to Turkey and Syria was over 30 strong. Hundreds of bags. And more where arriving constantly.

Same as walking through the shopping centre yesterday, a pop up shop was packed selling stuff to raise money for Ukraine.

Generally, there are millions of good people in England. If you choose to see it, you might not continue to carry this miserable, always complaining and whinny attitude.

[Liam-]

According to reports she apparently was being bullied and harassed for being trans, denied of dignity and peace in life and she’ll still be denied dignity and respect in life, it’s a shameful state of affairs.

No doubt there’ll be some people out there rejoicing that there’s one less trans person in the world though.

[UserSince2005]

RIP, the men be nuts because they attracted to her, the girl be nuts because she is more girl than them.
So sad.
I hope the trans haters feel shame for this.

[Alf]

Due to this country being completely backwards and lacking in any kind of humanity, the girl will be deadnamed and mis-gendered on her death certificate.Have you been on Owen Jones Twitter?

He immediately used this person's death to push for policy gain too.

[Alf]

According to reports she apparently was being bullied and harassed for being trans, denied of dignity and peace in life and she’ll still be denied dignity and respect in life, it’s a shameful state of affairs.

No doubt there’ll be some people out there rejoicing that there’s one less trans person in the world though.I think you're so wrong. I'm almost certain the people that speak out about the negatives of the trans movement don't wish people dead.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think you're so wrong. I'm almost certain the people that speak out about the negatives of the trans movement don't wish people dead.

no that is the "trans activists" who do that

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9YaHAUa42yU/maxresdefault.jpg

[Cherie]

no that is the "trans activists" who do that

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9YaHAUa42yU/maxresdefault.jpg

I’m pretty sure that would be classed as hate speech if it were directed at any other community :umm2:


A man was arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper the other day during a Royal walkabout

[Cherie]

I think you're so wrong. I'm almost certain the people that speak out about the negatives of the trans movement don't wish people dead.

Correct and we can only speculate at the motive, it could have been an upset girl/boy friend and nothing to do with trans

[Oliver_W]

I’m pretty sure that would be classed as hate speech if it were directed at anyone other community :umm2:

Yup, the only acceptable targets these days are the feminists.

The more things change...

[Cherie]

The 'newer better generations' are knifing each other to death every day of the week

[Crimson Dynamo]

The 'newer better generations' are knifing each other to death every day of the week

and enjoying all the gadgets and facilities made by those awful older people

:joker:

[AnnieK]

There will always be people who don't like how people live their lives.....wishing people dead whose generations fought for the rights people have now is counter productive. Education is always the way to go...some people just don't want to learn sadly.

There are extremes on all sides but the majority of people I have ever experienced are very much live and let live.

This poor girl has lost her life, whatever the reason, it is a senseless tragedy. Her family have said she was an amazing daughter, granddaughter and friend. RIP to her. Knife crime is a real problem now in this country and needs to be tackled

[Cherie]

There will always be people who don't like how people live their lives.....wishing people dead whose generations fought for the rights people have now is counter productive. Education is always the way to go...some people just don't want to learn sadly.

There are extremes on all sides but the majority of people I have ever experienced are very much live and let live.

This poor girl has lost her life, whatever the reason, it is a senseless tragedy. Her family have said she was an amazing daughter, granddaughter and friend. RIP to her. Knife crime is a real problem now in this country and needs to be tackled

great post Annie, this is yet another knife crime, there is no indication what the motive is anymore than any other knife crime, jumping on the assumption this is an anti trans issue and saying this is the older generations fault for some unfathomable reason given it was kids who committed the crime is just nonsensical


The family must be in bits that is all we need to think of

[Beso]

This exact same thing happened in romford a year or so ago. It ended up being a gang initiation thing.

Poor girl left dead after another teen stabbed her from behind.

[GoldHeart]

I didn't know the girl was trans until they said on the news,I also assumed it was an adult that killed her. Just shows how too many teens think it's acceptable to carry knives around stabbing eachother. She was also a tiktok user ,I hate that app....I wonder if that has anything to do with her being targeted aswell ?.

[Cherie]

Everyone knows prejudice and hate crimes still exist , point is life is still better here than let's say a war zone country in the middle east , or a place where you can't even hold hands or enter a building based on race & sexuality .

Dezzy plenty of random attacks happen on people just for the sake of it regardless of gender identity, sexuality & race . I will say though with this Trans girl it might be because she's trans but then it could also be the latter ...an attack for the sake of it,they haven't confirmed it yet ? . I also wonder if her being on tiktok has anything to do with it . Maybe it was a stalker from her school who watched her videos??.

The police have the two murderers in custody, they have said it is not a hate crime but that it was targeted, so we can deduce from that the the pair have owned up to the reason they killed her, it might be a jealous ex, or jealousy or as Parm said some kind of gang initiation and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.....we will have to await the court hearing I guess for the full facts.

[GoldHeart]

The police have the two murderers in custody, they have said it is not a hate crime but that it was targeted, so we can deduce from that the the pair have owned up to the reason they killed her, it might be a jealous ex, or jealousy or as Parm said some kind of gang initiation and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.....we will have to await the court hearing I guess for the full facts.

I don't know Cherie, I just have a feeling Tiktok has contributed to her death. That app is a cesspool of disturbing people. It definitely seems targeted, but yeah could also be a killing for the sake of it . So many degenerate teens these days go around stabbing .

[Cherie]

I don't know Cherie, I just have a feeling Tiktok has contributed to her death. That app is a cesspool of disturbing people. It definitely seems targeted, but yeah could also be a killing for the sake of it . So many degenerate teens these days go around stabbing .

there are so many kids being knifed to death now its an epidemic Goldie, and lately it seems to be so many girls being targetted.

[GoldHeart]

there are so many kids being knifed to death now its an epidemic Goldie, and lately it seems to be so many girls being targetted.

Yeah it's a huge issue amongst teens killing eachother . It's a serious problem that needs tackling ...I agree with Annie's post .

[Beso]

I bet all people feel is heartbreak for the death of such a beautiful girl with her whole life ahead of her, and anger at the scum that killed her.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Thankfully they deal in facts

It does seem suspicious imo that she was Transgender and then ends up being stabbed to death.

Maybe it is something else that's triggered the two suspects, but I can't blame people for thinking that the motive might be Transphobia.

[GoldHeart]

It does seem suspicious imo that she was Transgender and then ends up being stabbed to death.

Maybe it is something else that's triggered the two suspects, but I can't blame people for thinking that the motive might be Transphobia.

Yeah i wondered if it was a hate crime aswell tbh or maybe there was jealousy or something , but then stabbing is a huge problem Mock ... especially with teens. You just have to go through all the list of knife crimes in the UK to see how out of control it is , and the victims have been from all backgrounds. At the end of the day a young teen has lost their life in a horrible vicious attack.

[UserSince2005]

The more I think of this the more sad it is

Just thinking of a plaque I once walked past in a park in Barcelona for a trans person murdered for being trans

Looked her up. Sonia Rescalvo, murdered in 1991.
Over 30 years later the exact same thing happens in the U.K.
So much for progress
Disgusted

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah i wondered if it was a hate crime aswell tbh or maybe there was jealousy or something , but then stabbing is a huge problem Mock ... especially with teens. You just have to go through all the list of knife crimes in the UK to see how out of control it is , and the victims have been from all backgrounds. At the end of the day a young teen has lost their life in a horrible vicious attack.

Oh I agree with you that knife crime is a huge issue in this country, tbh we might wanna consider having Metal Detectors available in public places just to catch the people who are carrying knives.

[GoldHeart]

Oh I agree with you that knife crime is a huge issue in this country, tbh we might wanna consider having Metal Detectors available in public places just to catch the people who are carrying knives.

Remember the teacher in Leeds who was close to retirement and got stabbed to death in a classroom by a kid !!, and i agree metal detectors and more action needs to be taken.

[user104658]

I know it sounds like an old trope and I'm sure every generation says this but the violence in schools really does seem to be increasing, it's terrifying. Yes there were fights and scraps when I was at school but nothing like it seems now - at my daughters school it seems like there are assaults every day, people getting lured into bathrooms and beat up, people threatened and then followed him to be attacked along the way. Usually someone filming it and it goes around on whatsapp/Snapchat. Constantly police at the school. My daughter's had multiple friends take time off because of being attacked. She herself had a boy put his hands round her neck and police were involved.

And that's a fairly small non-city highschool in Scotland - thankfully nothing involving weapons/knives I've heard of so far but it's definitely a level of violence way beyond when I was at school.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I know it sounds like an old trope and I'm sure every generation says this but the violence in schools really does seem to be increasing, it's terrifying. Yes there were fights and scraps when I was at school but nothing like it seems now - at my daughters school it seems like there are assaults every day, people getting lured into bathrooms and beat up, people threatened and then followed him to be attacked along the way. Usually someone filming it and it goes around on whatsapp/Snapchat. Constantly police at the school. My daughter's had multiple friends take time off because of being attacked. She herself had a boy put his hands round her neck and police were involved.

And that's a fairly small non-city highschool in Scotland - thankfully nothing involving weapons/knives I've heard of so far but it's definitely a level of violence way beyond when I was at school.

coz social media and the ability to reach many eyes and ears with one push of a button

[user104658]

coz social media and the ability to reach many eyes and ears with one push of a button

I do think that there are a lot more assaults because of the ability to film it and put it online. Half the time that's the goal.

A girl my daughter knows from primary school was lured into the bathrooms by three girls in their year, one filming and two who attacked her. They judged it wrong as the girl whilst being shy/bit of a loner is also a gymnast and ridiculously strong and she started swinging and smacked the **** out of both of the girls attacking her... The girl filming (their friend) still posted it online because clearly at the end of the day, the only real aim was to get a "funny/dramatic video" of someone getting beat up, and it didn't matter that the tables were turned.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do think that there are a lot more assaults because of the ability to film it and put it online. Half the time that's the goal.

A girl my daughter knows from primary school was lured into the bathrooms by three girls in their year, one filming and two who attacked her. They judged it wrong as the girl whilst being shy/bit of a loner is also a gymnast and ridiculously strong and she started swinging and smacked the **** out of both of the girls attacking her... The girl filming (their friend) still posted it online because clearly at the end of the day, the only real aim was to get a "funny/dramatic video" of someone getting beat up, and it didn't matter that the tables were turned.

there are so many videos of young adults tricking their partner into thinking they are cheating on them and this seems to be popular and liked

that has to be the single most horrible thing I could think of doing to my wife/partner and i am sure most people of the non internet/phone generation (ie over say 40s)

[Cherie]

there are so many videos of young adults tricking their partner into thinking they are cheating on them and this seems to be popular and liked

that has to be the single most horrible thing I could think of doing to my wife/partner and i am sure most people of the non internet/phone generation (ie over say 40s)


its just horrible, I think that just shows how insecure they are and they want that jealous reaction to make them feel special...

[GoldHeart]

its just horrible, I think that just shows how insecure they are and they want that jealous reaction to make them feel special...

Oh I hate those 'prank' videos, most of them are fake ...but it's still setting a bad example out there. There's so much garbage on social media in general.

[Livia]

I know it sounds like an old trope and I'm sure every generation says this but the violence in schools really does seem to be increasing, it's terrifying. Yes there were fights and scraps when I was at school but nothing like it seems now - at my daughters school it seems like there are assaults every day, people getting lured into bathrooms and beat up, people threatened and then followed him to be attacked along the way. Usually someone filming it and it goes around on whatsapp/Snapchat. Constantly police at the school. My daughter's had multiple friends take time off because of being attacked. She herself had a boy put his hands round her neck and police were involved.

And that's a fairly small non-city highschool in Scotland - thankfully nothing involving weapons/knives I've heard of so far but it's definitely a level of violence way beyond when I was at school.

Really? You think so?

I would give the teens of today a run at my east London school. No phones, no social media... it was a terrifying, violent place where you were as likely to get a dig from a teacher as a pupil. Of course, it's been completely rebuilt now there are no whites left in the area and sends three or four Africans to Oxbridge every year. Back then, I think I was the first ever and that's because my parents paid for proper tuition.

[user104658]

Really? You think so?

I would give the teens of today a run at my east London school. No phones, no social media... it was a terrifying, violent place where you were as likely to get a dig from a teacher as a pupil. Of course, it's been completely rebuilt now there are no whites left in the area and sends three or four Africans to Oxbridge every year. Back then, I think I was the first ever and that's because my parents paid for proper tuition.

Well I did specify "non-city" for a reason, I'm aware that city schools are a whole different beast and always have been, but I went to a school very similar to my daughters and can only compare like-for-like. Of course, there's the possibility that I was spared/unaware of the worse stuff during my time at school and simply wasn't aware of it BECAUSE of no cameras/social media. I guess just because I wasn't part of it and also wasn't targeted, I shouldn't assume it wasn't happening.

[Niamh.]

Deleted a lot of posts in here, I really don't want to have to leave this thread closed so can people please stop insulting each other here or using a dead childs death to further some agenda

[Redway]

Very sad.

[bots]

I know it sounds like an old trope and I'm sure every generation says this but the violence in schools really does seem to be increasing, it's terrifying. Yes there were fights and scraps when I was at school but nothing like it seems now - at my daughters school it seems like there are assaults every day, people getting lured into bathrooms and beat up, people threatened and then followed him to be attacked along the way. Usually someone filming it and it goes around on whatsapp/Snapchat. Constantly police at the school. My daughter's had multiple friends take time off because of being attacked. She herself had a boy put his hands round her neck and police were involved.

And that's a fairly small non-city highschool in Scotland - thankfully nothing involving weapons/knives I've heard of so far but it's definitely a level of violence way beyond when I was at school.

When i was at the village school in the 60s/70s we had gangs of kids fighting with hatchets at the school gates at lunch time and a good friend of mine was stabbed 3 times (and survived). This was at one of the best schools in glasgow

[user104658]

When i was at the village school in the 60s/70s we had gangs of kids fighting with hatchets at the school gates at lunch time and a good friend of mine was stabbed 3 times (and survived). This was at one of the best schools in glasgow

True, to be fair my dad grew up in Glasgow in the 60's and he once nostalgically from a train window pointed out a bridge to me, "where he was cornered and someone stabbed him with a screwdriver" when he was 14. It missed his liver by millimeters! He said it so casually.

[bots]

True, to be fair my dad grew up in Glasgow in the 60's and he once nostalgically from a train window pointed out a bridge to me, "where he was cornered and someone stabbed him with a screwdriver" when he was 14. It missed his liver by millimeters! He said it so casually.

glasgow was known as the knife capital of europe back then, but the authorities did a lot to make the streets safer

[Niamh.]

glasgow was known as the knife capital of europe back then, but the authorities did a lot to make the streets safer

Obviously gun crime can do a lot more damage but there's something really vicious and terrifying about knife crime

[Crimson Dynamo]

When i was at the village school in the 60s/70s we had gangs of kids fighting with hatchets at the school gates at lunch time and a good friend of mine was stabbed 3 times (and survived). This was at one of the best schools in glasgow

Yes the 70s in East Kilbride all kids knew all the gangs and their leaders and where the next bit scrap would be and of course we all grew up fighting the local catholic schools every week whilst that was mostly bottles and the like quite a few would get chibbed with a screwdriver or machete. The Big gang fights always involved razors, knives and machetes.

The Tongs, Baltic Fleet, Cumbie, Fleeto. Its just as bad now in Glasgow

[user104658]

Yes the 70s in East Kilbride all kids knew all the gangs and their leaders and where the next bit scrap would be and of course we all grew up fighting the local catholic schools every week whilst that was mostly bottles and the like quite a few would get chibbed with a screwdriver or machete. The Big gang fights always involved razors, knives and machetes.

The Tongs, Baltic Fleet, Cumbie, Fleeto. Its just as bad now in Glasgow

Main difference in Glasgow these days is gentrification. The center is very different and safe now (as much as any city is safe) and a lot of the previously rough council areas are gentrified and verging on middle class now, but the issues aren't "gone" they've just been shifted out of certain areas.

Ayrshire is the same of course - houses going for £200k on streets that you wouldn't have walked down alone at night when I was a teenager 20 years ago, but the problems are still there, they're just shifted out of those old council estates that have been all bought up, and into the bigger towns.

[Glenn.]

Brianna Ghey killing: possible hate crime is one line of inquiry, say police

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/14/brianna-ghey-killing-being-investigated-as-possible-transphobic-hate

[arista]

Brianna Ghey killing: possible hate crime is one line of inquiry, say police

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/14/brianna-ghey-killing-being-investigated-as-possible-transphobic-hate


Yes keeping the Evil Boy and Evil Girl
longer arrested.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Isnt murder always a hate crime?

[Zizu]

Brianna Ghey killing: possible hate crime is one line of inquiry, say police

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/14/brianna-ghey-killing-being-investigated-as-possible-transphobic-hate


Wow

They’re good


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Glenn.]

Isnt murder always a hate crime?

Hate crime
The law recognises five types of hate crime on the basis of:

Race
Religion
Disability
Sexual orientation
Transgender identity
Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:

demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity
Or

been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity

[Beso]

Religion

People who believe in god get so many insults hurled at them.

[Oliver_W]

Religion

People who believe in god get so many insults hurled at them.

Religion and transgenderism are both protected characteristics, despite being based on fictional beliefs; biological sex is not recognised as a category for hate crimes

[Cherie]

no that is the "trans activists" who do that

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9YaHAUa42yU/maxresdefault.jpg

I still cant get over this if I stood around with a sign saying decapitate ....’insert any form of life’ ....I would be arrested for sure

[Liam-]

Such a waste of a life, hopefully the two killers get what they deserve for allowing their hatred to turn to murder

[Beso]

I still cant get over this if I stood around with a sign saying decapitate ....’insert any form of life’ ....I would be arrested for sure

And publicly named and shamed, probably lose your job as well.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I still cant get over this if I stood around with a sign saying decapitate ....’insert any form of life’ ....I would be arrested for sure

THE two smiling hags in front are labour msps

[Cherie]

And publicly named and shamed, probably lose your job as well.

Most likely

THE two smiling hags in front are labour msps


oh wonderful

[Cherie]

Such a waste of a life, hopefully the two killers get what they deserve for allowing their hatred to turn to murder

I presume they are blaming each other hence the extra time taken to charge them

[Cherie]

A GoFundMe crowdfunding page set up to help Brianna’s family passed £69,000 in donations on Tuesday to help pay for her funeral, which will be “pink and colourful to match her personality”.

What a wonderful country we live in

[arista]

Ch4HDnews was just
Live at a Vigil in Liverpool

[arista]

A GoFundMe crowdfunding page set up to help Brianna’s family passed £69,000 in donations on Tuesday to help pay for her funeral, which will be “pink and colourful to match her personality”.

What a wonderful country we live in

Yes that is Great News for the family.



It is so tragic
that the Evil Boy with a Evil Girl
stabbed her to death.

[Jordan.]

A GoFundMe crowdfunding page set up to help Brianna’s family passed £69,000 in donations on Tuesday to help pay for her funeral, which will be “pink and colourful to match her personality”.

What a wonderful country we live in

Let's just hope we can start being kinder towards transpeople BEFORE they're brutally murdered.

[Swan]

Let's just hope we can start being kinder towards transpeople BEFORE they're brutally murdered.

Literally no one in their right mind would disagree with that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let's just hope we can start being kinder towards transpeople BEFORE they're brutally murdered.

or people in general

who make up 99.9% of murders

[Oliver_W]

Let's just hope we can start being kinder towards transpeople BEFORE they're brutally murdered.

To whom do you refer by "we"? What do you mean by "kinder"?

[bots]

there are evil people about that murder other people. That will never change

[Cherie]

Let's just hope we can start being kinder towards transpeople BEFORE they're brutally murdered.

yes maybe you should be kinder in general

[GoldHeart]

Exactly
People should be respectful in general ,but unfortunately the world is full of nasty people who think it's ok to go around stabbing & attacking others .

When I was at school,thank goodness I didn't hear about any stabbings happening around . But today it's crazy.

[arista]

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[Alf]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/903B/production/_128632963_metro-nc.png.webpLet me answer their question for them.

The crime was murder.

[Mystic Mock]

Remember the teacher in Leeds who was close to retirement and got stabbed to death in a classroom by a kid !!, and i agree metal detectors and more action needs to be taken.

I never knew about that case before, but sadly it doesn't surprise me that it happened.

[arista]

Police have now
charged Both
Boy & Girl with Murder


https://news.sky.com/story/brianna-ghey-two-teenagers-charged-with-murder-12811382

[[Evil]15-year-old girl from Warrington
and a [Evil] 15-year-old boy from Leigh
had been arrested after
the transgender teen's death.
Police have now confirmed they
have both been charged.

Brianna's body was discovered
in Linear Park in Culcheth, Cheshire,
on Saturday afternoon.]

[Cherie]

Police have now
charged Both
Boy & Girl with Murder


https://news.sky.com/story/brianna-ghey-two-teenagers-charged-with-murder-12811382

[[Evil]15-year-old girl from Warrington
and a [Evil] 15-year-old boy from Leigh
had been arrested after
the transgender teen's death.
Police have now confirmed they
have both been charged.

Brianna's body was discovered
in Linear Park in Culcheth, Cheshire,
on Saturday afternoon.]

some comfort for her family that at least her killers are in custody

[Mystic Mock]

Police have now
charged Both
Boy & Girl with Murder


https://news.sky.com/story/brianna-ghey-two-teenagers-charged-with-murder-12811382

[[Evil]15-year-old girl from Warrington
and a [Evil] 15-year-old boy from Leigh
had been arrested after
the transgender teen's death.
Police have now confirmed they
have both been charged.

Brianna's body was discovered
in Linear Park in Culcheth, Cheshire,
on Saturday afternoon.]

Well that's good news at least.

[Cherie]

just goes to show how things can change so quickly this time last week two or three families were going about their business as usual, now they are grieving the lost loss of two daughters and a son in the most horrible of circumstances

[user104658]

I think it's of course very likely that her being trans played a part in why she was targetted - I think it's a massive over-simplification to suggest that that's the whole story here but it's what will, I expect, get the most focus. As was touched on earlier in this thread the focus should be on (what I suspect is) the increasing violence amongst teens and in schools, and the fact that most schools seem to have "zero tolerance policies" that are little more than lip service when it comes down to it. Schools will consistently turn a blind eye if they think they can get away with it, and then play dumb later like they didn't know there was an issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

press conf is live now:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/15/nicola-bulley-latest-updates-police-press-conference-missing/

[arista]

[Boy and girl, both 15, are remanded into youth detention
after being charged with murder
of 16-year-old transgender
schoolgirl Brianna Ghey]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11752891/Boy-girl-15-charged-murder-16-year-old-schoolgirl-Brianna-Ghey.html

[Cherie]

The trial will be in July 2023

[Cherie]

Not sure why the trial was delayed but it is on now, a note was found in Girl As room detailing what they were going to do to Brianna

A detailed plan to kill Brianna Ghey was found in the bedroom of a teenage girl who is accused of her murder, a court has heard.

Two teenagers, referred to as girl X and boy Y, are charged with murdering Brianna, a 16-year-old transgender girl who was stabbed in Culcheth Linear Park, near Warrington, Cheshire, on 11 February.

On Tuesday, the trial heard that girl X sent a picture to her co-accused of a handwritten note headed: “Saturday 11th February 2023. Victim: Brianna Ghey.”

The paper read: “Meet boy Y at wooden posts 1pm. Walk down to library... bus stop. Wait until Brianna gets off bus then the three of us walk to Linear Park. Go to the pipe/tunnel area.

“I say code word to boy Y. He stabs her in the back as I stab her in the stomach. Boy Y drags the body into the area. We both cover up the area with logs etc.”

Brianna, a transgender teenager who had been born a boy but lived as a girl, was stabbed 28 times with a hunting knife in her head, chest, back and neck.

A detailed plan to kill Brianna Ghey was found in the bedroom of a teenage girl who is accused of her murder, a court has heard.

Two teenagers, referred to as girl X and boy Y, are charged with murdering Brianna, a 16-year-old transgender girl who was stabbed in Culcheth Linear Park, near Warrington, Cheshire, on 11 February.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brianna-ghey-court-trial-latest-b2454751.html

[Liam-]

I read the transcript from the courtroom reporter, really wish I hadn’t

[Zizu]

The news said both perpetrators shared a gruesome love of torture and death !!!


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[bots]

if they pre-planned the murder, then i hope they get a sentence that reflects that, unfortunately we know they won't

[Cherie]

They had 5 different kids in mind, these two are psychopaths who found each other obviously

Brianna was one of five children whom X and Y discussed killing, the court heard. One target was a boy referred to in court as E, who Y called a “nonce”. They planned to kill him by hanging him with a rope in Linear Park, attempting to lure him out via a fake Instagram account created by X, the jury heard.

But the court was told E soon blocked the fake account, and so X said: “If we can’t get E tomorrow we can kill Brianna.” Y agreed, the jury heard, saying: “Yeah, it’ll be easier and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl.

[Zizu]

They had 5 different kids in mind, these two are psychopaths who found each other obviously

Brianna was one of five children whom X and Y discussed killing, the court heard. One target was a boy referred to in court as E, who Y called a “nonce”. They planned to kill him by hanging him with a rope in Linear Park, attempting to lure him out via a fake Instagram account created by X, the jury heard.

But the court was told E soon blocked the fake account, and so X said: “If we can’t get E tomorrow we can kill Brianna.” Y agreed, the jury heard, saying: “Yeah, it’ll be easier and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl.


I’m not sure these two deserve to see the light of day again .. it sounds like the script for a horror story


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[Ammi]

I read the transcript from the courtroom reporter, really wish I hadn’t

…I’m not going to follow the trial in the media either…/…I can’t see any reasoning to do that for me…to have those ‘details’….there was a headline this morning on my homepage relating Brianna’s last text to her mom, just too heartbreaking to click on any such story …💔…it’s all about justice now and hoping that comes for Brianna and her family…to be a parent/family member/loved one and to be there through the trial…it’s just beyond any comprehension…

[Mystic Mock]

Not sure why the trial was delayed but it is on now, a note was found in Girl As room detailing what they were going to do to Brianna

A detailed plan to kill Brianna Ghey was found in the bedroom of a teenage girl who is accused of her murder, a court has heard.

Two teenagers, referred to as girl X and boy Y, are charged with murdering Brianna, a 16-year-old transgender girl who was stabbed in Culcheth Linear Park, near Warrington, Cheshire, on 11 February.

On Tuesday, the trial heard that girl X sent a picture to her co-accused of a handwritten note headed: “Saturday 11th February 2023. Victim: Brianna Ghey.”

The paper read: “Meet boy Y at wooden posts 1pm. Walk down to library... bus stop. Wait until Brianna gets off bus then the three of us walk to Linear Park. Go to the pipe/tunnel area.

“I say code word to boy Y. He stabs her in the back as I stab her in the stomach. Boy Y drags the body into the area. We both cover up the area with logs etc.”

Brianna, a transgender teenager who had been born a boy but lived as a girl, was stabbed 28 times with a hunting knife in her head, chest, back and neck.

A detailed plan to kill Brianna Ghey was found in the bedroom of a teenage girl who is accused of her murder, a court has heard.

Two teenagers, referred to as girl X and boy Y, are charged with murdering Brianna, a 16-year-old transgender girl who was stabbed in Culcheth Linear Park, near Warrington, Cheshire, on 11 February.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brianna-ghey-court-trial-latest-b2454751.html

Jesus Christ! That's two disturbed individuals.

[Niamh.]

They had 5 different kids in mind, these two are psychopaths who found each other obviously

Brianna was one of five children whom X and Y discussed killing, the court heard. One target was a boy referred to in court as E, who Y called a “nonce”. They planned to kill him by hanging him with a rope in Linear Park, attempting to lure him out via a fake Instagram account created by X, the jury heard.

But the court was told E soon blocked the fake account, and so X said: “If we can’t get E tomorrow we can kill Brianna.” Y agreed, the jury heard, saying: “Yeah, it’ll be easier and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl.That's terrifying

[Zizu]

…I’m not going to follow the trial in the media either…/…I can’t see any reasoning to do that for me…to have those ‘details’….there was a headline this morning on my homepage relating Brianna’s last text to her mom, just too heartbreaking to click on any such story …[emoji174]…it’s all about justice now and hoping that comes for Brianna and her family…to be a parent/family member/loved one and to be there through the trial…it’s just beyond any comprehension…


Yes !
I was the same with SaVile and the Bulger case

I was seriously addicted to the OJ Simpson, OscarP and the Johnny Depp trials though


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[Cherie]

Yes !
I was the same with SaVile and the Bulger case

I was seriously addicted to the OJ Simpson, OscarP and the Johnny Depp trials though


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I am interested in the motivation, it seems they just wanted to kill someone...anyone would do kind of thing to get a sick thrill, I also want to know whether these kids are in care or have families and whether we are looking at a a case where they had upbringings like Jamie Bulgers killers

[Niamh.]

Imagine how boy "E" must be feeling after hearing how close he was to being the victim too. Chilling stuff.

[arista]

[A plan to kill Brianna Ghey was found
in the bedroom of one of the 16-year-olds
accused of her murder, a court has heard.
The body of Brianna, 16, who was transgender,
was discovered by dog walkers in a park
in Culcheth, Cheshire, on 11 February.
The court heard the girl sent the other teenager
charged a picture of a handwritten
note headed: "Saturday 11th February 2023.
Victim: Brianna Ghey."

The two teenagers both deny murder.

The trial at Manchester Crown Court has
previously heard they had
"a preoccupation with torture".

The pair, who were 15 at the time,
cannot be named because of their age
and are identified only as girl X,
from Warrington, and boy Y, from Leigh,
Greater Manchester.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67530445

[Niamh.]

Sounds like they have ample proof and proof to show it was pre-meditated too

[Cherie]

Sounds like they have ample proof and proof to show it was pre-meditated too

They are blaming each other, it sounds like there was just one knife while the plan included two, sounds to me like girl x was clever getting boy y to do the deed, then she texted Brianna after the news broke asking why she had gone off with some random....she sounds very conniving

[Zizu]

I am interested in the motivation, it seems they just wanted to kill someone...anyone would do kind of thing to get a sick thrill, I also want to know whether these kids are in care or have families and whether we are looking at a a case where they had upbringings like Jamie Bulgers killers


Yes that is an interesting factor granted ..
It’s the gruesome details I’d rather not know ..

I have a dreadful memory so I only recall precious/ important or shocking details .. so I keep horrible memories to a minimum ..


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[Zizu]

Imagine how boy "E" must be feeling after hearing how close he was to being the victim too. Chilling stuff.


Yeah the other potential victims may have mixed views on the matter


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[Zizu]

Sounds like they have ample proof and proof to show it was pre-meditated too


I hope they get the most severe punishment possible


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[Redway]

How does that make sense? Unless it was a targeted attack for personal reasons which have nothing to do with them bejng trans?

I know you have reservations about the whole trans agenda but 2 kids were killed … and that’s your response?

[Niamh.]

I know you have reservations about the whole trans agenda but 2 kids were killed … and that’s your response?

It seems to me that being trans was a selecting factor but they were actively looking for people to target like calling the other guy a nonce for whatever reason. They sound like absolute psychopaths

[Redway]

I know you have reservations about the whole trans agenda but 2 kids were killed … and that’s your response?

I mean, reservations is one way of putting it.

I get what you mean, Niamh.

[Kazanne]

I hope they get the most severe punishment possible


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James Bulgers killers only got 8 years in a young offenders unit ,never went to prison,then were let out with new IDs so these two will get more or less the same,instead of being locked up for life,just evil thugs.

[bots]

to me they had personal prejudices about a number of kids that all became potential targets, and they then went for the one they thought was the easiest/could get away with

[Cherie]

From what I have read Girl x was obsessed with Brianna because of how different she was, maybe she was rejected by her? but as BOTs said it does seem they went for the easy target

[Oliver_W]

From some of the messages and details read out on Sky News, they sound a right evil pair...
Like, obviously one would have to be. But their words and thoughts laid out bare, horrific.

[Zizu]

Apparently they poisoned the poor girl weeks before.. gave her a massive dose of ibuprofen !!


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[Oliver_W]

Apparently they poisoned the poor girl weeks before.. gave her a massive dose of ibuprofen !!


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Yeah in a milkshake or something?!

They almost sound like they should be in Arkham Asylum rather than prison tbh. They don't sound like typical-minded scum.

[Cherie]

A boy accused of murdering Brianna Ghey told police he saw his co-accused stabbing her, a court has heard.

Brianna, 16, who was transgender, was found stabbed 28 times with a knife in Culcheth Linear Park in Cheshire on the afternoon of 11 February.

Girl X and boy Y, who cannot be named because of their ages, both deny murder.

Manchester Crown Court heard they both blamed each other for being responsible for Brianna's death.

At the start of the second week of the trial, jurors were shown video recorded police interviews with the suspects after their arrests, the day after Brianna's death.

Warning: Some readers might find the following report distressing

Boy Y said girl X had invited Brianna, who he had never met before, to meet up and go to the park, and suggested an area near a bench.
He said: "I turned away to go to the toilet behind a tree.

"When I turned back around I saw girl X stabbing Brianna. Brianna was on the floor."

Boy Y told detectives he saw Brianna curled up on the floor and girl X, who had a knife, was standing over her.

He said: "I went to check if Brianna was alive. I put my hands on her. I got blood all on my hands."


A detective asked him: "Did you see where the blood was coming from?"

"Everywhere," boy Y replied.

He said girl X stopped stabbing Brianna because she saw a member of the public in the park and she ran away.

He followed, with them both then walking away from the park

Boy Y continued: "I asked her why she did it. She said Brianna tried to break her and her boyfriend up."

He said girl X appeared "calm", but he was "shocked and panicked".

And he told police he did not see the knife and did not know what girl X did with it afterwards.

But jurors have been told it was now accepted Brianna was killed with a hunting knife belonging to boy Y, which was found in his bedroom at his home with Brianna's blood still on the weapon.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/boy-told-police-i-saw-girl-stabbing-brianna/ar-AA1kZ4wB

[Niamh.]

Boy Y is full of **** obviously.

[Cherie]

Boy Y is full of **** obviously.

totally, like he seems to have forgotten they had a number of targets

[bots]

they can't each blame the other when there is so much evidence linking both their involvement. It shows how poor a defence they each have

[arista]

[The scientist told Manchester Crown Court
that a hunting knife found in Boy Y's bedroom after
his arrest had Brianna's blood.

She said: [B]'One explanation is that he had used
the knife and then tried to clean it,
leaving behind staining in an area
not easily accessible.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12833179/Brianna-Ghey-trial-hears-police-hunting-knife-blood-teenagers-bedroom-schoolgirl-murdered-frenzied-attack.html


Evil Killers

[Mystic Mock]

Boy Y is full of **** obviously.

This.

And even if his story has any truth to it about Girl X or whatever they're calling her, it still doesn't absolve his involvement in the slightest.

[Ammi]

…although I’m not following all of the court case details of Brianna’s killing…this Guardian article is something I read earlier…the written note of the ‘plan’ to kill by the female accused…as said in the article, she wrote another note/list of ‘trustworthy factors’ of why the accused boy would be a ‘favoured accomplice’…

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/07/jury-in-brianna-ghey-trial-given-note-of-alleged-plan-to-kill-her

…I was wondering also when I read the article…if there is anything that a handwriting expert would see in that note, anything to indicate any sociopathic behaviours or concerns …(…other than the actual wording, obviously/ the handwriting itself../I know how much that was analysed during the Peter Sutcliffe killings…)…anyway, I doubt that either of the accused/or anyone has any doubts whatsoever that the verdict will be guilty, even their legal representatives…it’s all really for them and for the family and everyone, about what the sentencing will be now ….although the knife/weapon was found in the male accused’s bedroom with Brianna’s blood and also her blood on his clothing/his person…no blood evidence was found in the female accused…so far as were told …

[Cherie]

She conned to boy into killing Brianna, the plan was both to stab her, but it looks like he was the only one who brought a weapon or if she did, she didn't use it

[Cherie]

Agirl denied turning “dark fantasies” of torture and killing into reality with the “frenzied” stabbing of transgender teen Brianna Ghey, a court has heard.

The 16-year-old, identified only as girl X, said she was attracted to Brianna and also fantasised about killing her but had no intention of carrying it out, a jury at Manchester Crown Court heard.

She denied having to wipe Brianna’s blood from her face after the killing.

Brianna, 16, was stabbed with a hunting knife 28 times in her head, neck, chest and back in Linear Park in Culcheth, near Warrington, on the afternoon of February 11 earlier this year.

Prosecutors allege the anxious, transgender teenager was deliberately lured there for a killing planned by girl X and her co-accused, identified only as boy Y.
Both girl X and boy Y, both aged 15 at the time – now both 16, deny murder and are blaming each other for Brianna’s death. Neither can be named due to their age.

Jurors have heard girl X enjoyed watching internet torture and killing material from the “dark web” and had an interest in serial killers, with both teenagers fixated with torture, violence and death, it is alleged.

In the witness box for a second day, Richard Littler KC, defending boy Y, asked girl X: “Why would you have a fantasy about murdering your good friend?”


She replied: “I’m not sure. I don’t know where it comes from.”

Mr Littler continued: “I’m going to suggest, this was not fantasy anymore, this was something you could do. You could stab Brianna?”

“No,” she replied.

Girl X told the court the three teenagers had planned to “hang out” in the park and while there she pretended to Brianna to be in contact via Snapchat with a drug dealer to deliver some drugs to them, but he was delayed.

Mr Littler suggested this was to keep Brianna in the park, adding: “Might it be you were just trying to get ready to stab her, trying to find the courage to do it?”

“No,” girl X replied.

Boy Y told police he went to relieve himself behind a tree and when he came back he saw girl X stabbing Brianna.

I’m going to suggest to you that you (girl X) pretended to be friends with Brianna. But you were not really her friend at all

Richard Littler KC, defending boy Y
Girl X told the court that while Brianna was sat on a bench, she walked away to stretch her legs, heard a scream, and when she turned around she saw boy Y stabbing Brianna.

Mr Littler said: “You are basically saying the same as him now.”

Girl X has denied trying to control or manipulate boy Y.

Jurors heard about a notebook found at girl X’s house in which she described boy Y as “very, very smart, genius level” but also a “sociopath”, lacking emotion and socially awkward, who only had three followers on Instagram.

Mr Littler continued: “I’m going to suggest to you that you pretended to be friends with Brianna. But you were not really her friend at all.

“I’m going to suggest you pretended to be friends with boy Y, but you were not a good friend at all?”

“No,” replied girl X.

“I’m going to suggest you stabbed Brianna?” Mr Littler said.

“No,” girl X replied.

“Do you remember, when you were walking away from the scene with boy Y, you were wiping blood from your face. Brianna’s blood, using your saliva?” Mr Littler asked.

“No,” girl X replied again.

Earlier, jurors were shown a crumpled, handwritten note of an alleged “murder plan” to kill Brianna found on the bedroom floor of Girl X after her arrest.

I just randomly get thoughts, even if there was no intent. I don't know where it comes from or why I get them. It's normally with people that I don't like but not always, sometimes it can be with people that I do actually like and I'll still fantasise about it

Girl X
Notes were also made on serial killers including Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Ramirez and Harold Shipman in a black notebook.

Being cross-examined by Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting, girl X was asked what she enjoyed about the idea of killing.

She said: “I’m not exactly sure, I just found the overall thing quite interesting I guess.”

Ms Heer said: “Did you like the idea of having power over somebody?”

Girl X said: “Yes.”

Ms Heer said: “Did you like the idea of being able to cause them pain and suffering?”

Girl X replied: “Yes.”

She said she found Brianna “really interesting” and “quite attractive” and agreed she enjoyed the idea of killing her.

Asked why, she said: “I just randomly get thoughts, even if there was no intent. I don’t know where it comes from or why I get them.”

She added: “It’s normally with people that I don’t like but not always, sometimes it can be with people that I do actually like and I’ll still fantasise about it.”

Ms Heer asked: “Did you find the idea of killing Brianna, who you were attracted to, exciting?”

Girl X said: “I guess so, yes.”

Ms Heer asked: “Did you think she was prettier than you?”

Girl X said: “In a way, yes, I did.”

Ms Heer asked if she thought boy Y would also enjoy the idea of killing Brianna because he did not like transgender people.

Girl X replied: “Possibly, yes.”

Is the truth that by this time, conversations were no longer fantasy, they were actually talking about how to plan a killing in real life?

Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting
She was asked about messages in which she and boy Y discussed killing Brianna by giving her cleaning products to drink.

Ms Heer asked: “Did you think that would be a horrible death?”

Girl X said: “Possibly, yes.”

Ms Heer said: “Did you enjoy the idea of that?”

Girl X said: “I think I did, yeah.”

Ms Heer continued: “You found serial killers interesting. Would you look at facts about serial killers because you were trying to work out how they went about killing people?”

Girl X replied: “That is part of the interest.”

Ms Heer said: “What did you think of that idea, of distracting somebody and then stabbing them in the neck? Is that what you and boy Y eventually do to Brianna? Did you distract her and did boy Y stab her in the neck?”

“No,” replied girl X.

Did you (girl X) want boy Y to kill Brianna while you watched? Did you want him to overpower Brianna? Did you want him to kill her?

Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting
Ms Heer said: “Is the truth that by this time, conversations were no longer fantasy, they were actually talking about how to plan a killing in real life?”

“No,” girl X said.

Ms Heer compared the similarities to Brianna’s stabbing and the “fantasy” plans about killing her, and other children, discussed between X and Y in phone messages; the luring of a victim to a “hidden spot”, the distraction, the method of stabbing and the injuries inflicted.

Ms Heer continued: “All the things you need to think about if you are planning a real killing?”

“Yes,” girl X replied.

Ms Heer said: “Did you want boy Y to kill Brianna while you watched? Did you want him to overpower Brianna? Did you want him to kill her?”

Girl X replied: “No.”

She denied taking a knife herself to meet Brianna.

Ms Heer said: “Is that because you wanted boy Y to stab Brianna and you wanted to watch so you could see the pure horror on her face?”

“No,” replied girl X.

The jury heard girl X had saved boy Y’s phone number in her phone under the name “Tesco John Wick” and that John Wick was a character from a film about a hitman played by Keanu Reeves.

Ms Heer said: “Did you think of boy Y as your assassin?”

“No,” replied girl X.

She admitted getting Brianna to come to the park by lying that they would be taking drugs and getting high.

Ms Heer continued: “Do you think if you had not lied, Brianna, she would still be alive today?”

“Yes,” girl X replied.

The trial continues.

[Niamh.]

Jesus, that's chilling to read. What a psychopath

[Cherie]

Two teenagers blaming each other for the “frenzied” murder of Brianna Ghey in a Warrington park were “in it together”, jurors have been told before starting their deliberations.

The 16-year-old was stabbed 28 times in her head, neck, chest and back in Linear Park, Culcheth, a village near Warrington, Cheshire, on the afternoon of 11 February this year.

Two teenagers, identified only as girl X and boy Y, have been on trial for her murder for over three weeks and each blames the other for the murder.

A jury at Manchester crown court was warned on Tuesday not to be tempted to “try to find an explanation” for the killing.

In her closing speech, the prosecuting KC Deanna Heer told jurors: “You may find it hard to fathom how two children could behave the way they did. The temptation might be to try and find an explanation for what they did and why. They are only children after all.
“But in a criminal case the prosecution doesn’t have to prove why a crime is committed, only that it has been. In murder cases in particular we sometimes never know why a crime is committed … Don’t be tempted to try and work out what they would do what they did.”

She told the jury they do not have to decide who actually stabbed Brianna in order to find both children guilty of murder.


Heer said they “may well conclude” that the boy inflicted at least some of the stab wounds using a hunting knife he bought for £13.50 on a skiing holiday six weeks before the killing. Brianna’s blood was found on his coat and shoes, as well as on the knife, the court has heard.

Meanwhile, Girl X’s barrister, Richard Pratt KC told the jury: “There’s not even so much as a microscopically observable droplet of blood on Girl X’s jacket or her shoes. There’s not a cell of Girl X’s DNA on anything incriminating in this case.”

But Heer reminded the jury that a forensic scientist, Jane Roughley, had told the court it was “entirely possible that Girl X had stabbed Brianna at least once, either before her blood started to flow or after it had started to flow.”

The prosecutor also suggested that Girl X may have used Y as her “hitman”, reminding them that she had once referred to her co-accused as a Tesco John Wick, a budget version of the assassin played by Keanu Reeves in the Hollywood film franchise. “You may think that’s why she referred to Y in that way, because he was her hitman,” Heer said.

Heer told the jury that the teenagers were the only suspects, adding: “The evidence suggests that they both participated in Brianna’s murder in the following ways: firstly, they both encouraged the other to kill Brianna. Secondly they both contributed to a plan to kill Brianna. Thirdly, they both played a part in carrying out the plan. And fourthly, after they had killed her they both took steps to conceal and cover up their guilt.”

She added: “The evidence suggests from first to last these two defendants were in it together.”

The trial continues.


Can't see any other verdict for this pair than murder, its just a question of how long they will get

[bots]

it will be a single digit sentence

[Niamh.]

Yes they clearly did it together, unfortunately because of their age I bet they'll get a light sentence

[Oliver_W]

Christ, even if they didn't target her specifically for being trans, they're clearly sick and twisted individuals. Thrown them away and lock up the key. Preferably in some kind of mental unit - they're either literal psychopaths, or just so evil they should be treated as such.

[bots]

kids are always given the opportunity for rehabilitation, no matter how serious the crime they committed so it will be a single digit sentence

[arista]

JUSTICE


Both Guilty of Murder


https://news.sky.com/story/brianna-ghey-teenagers-guilty-of-disturbing-murder-after-planning-frenzied-and-ferocious-knife-attack-13033461

[Ammi]

…I know the judge has said that it will be a life sentence but for the family/loved ones, it will be about how much of that life sentence will be served in prison now…I don’t think the verdict was going to ever be anything other than guilty but that’s just the first step for them and I’m imagining that they’re holding their breath until this reaches its final conclusion…

[Ammi]

…everyone involved in the trial outside of the families and loved ones as well…how incredibly difficult this will have been to have lived it each day in the courtroom…/…I presume their is all the appropriate support they’ll need also…

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/20/12/78699977-12885047-Brianna_on_her_final_bus_journey_to_Culcheth_befor e_she_was_foun-a-18_1703074387990.jpg

Her final journey

[MTVN]

I wonder if the judge will name the murderers, they've done that before when the crime is particularly horrific

[Ammi]

Outside court, Brianna’s mother, Esther Ghey, said she was glad the two would spend many years in prison.

She said: “Prior to the trial, I have had moments where I felt sorry for the defendants because they have ruined their own lives as well as ours.

“But now, knowing the true nature of the two and seeing neither display an ounce of remorse for what they have done to Brianna, I have lost any sympathy that I previously had for them, and I am glad that they will spend many years in prison and away from society.”

Detective Chief Superintendent Mike Evans, head of crime at Cheshire Police, said: “I’m not sure fun is the word, but I think they killed her because they wanted to prove that they could, or that sort of thirst for killing. I don’t think there was any motive behind it so possibly, fun? Enjoyment is the right word.”

Mr Evans also branded the killers arrogant believing they would not be caught as girl X claimed the local police were “shite”.

…full article…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brianna-ghey-murder-trial-verdict-latest-b2466442.html

[bots]

when are they being sentenced?

[Ammi]

When will Brianna Ghey’s killers be sentenced and will they be named?

NOW that two youths have been convicted of murdering Brianna Ghey, attention will turn to sentencing.

The pair, both aged 16, but aged 15 at the time of the killing, are still the subject of reporting restrictions due to their age, preventing them from being named.

They have been refereed to during coverage of the trial as girl X, from Warrington, and boy Y, from Leigh.

Both denied a charge of murdering Brianna Ghey, a 16-year-old transgender schoolgirl from Birchwood, but were found guilty.

The verdicts came after a four-week trial, and after four hours and 40 minutes of deliberations by a jury of seven men and five women.

Trial judge Justice Amanda Yip is due to preside over a hearing tomorrow morning, Thursday, in which reporting restrictions will be mentioned.

The hearing will also discuss any potential sentence date, expected to be next year.

Following the verdicts, after the court hearing was reconvened, legal representatives for both defendants asked for time for the preparation of psychologists’ reports before they are sentenced.

Justice Yip agreed but added: “Frankly, I don’t expect them to make a huge difference to the outcome in sentencing.

“But, given their ages and the unusual circumstances of the case, I think it is right I have all the information available.

“I’m very conscious that no doubt the family of Brianna would want this case to be concluded as soon as possible.”

Deanna Heer, prosecuting, said Brianna’s mother, Esther, would like to read her victim impact statement before the sentencing hearing.

She added: “They understand the court wants the further assistance of medical reports.”

A sentencing date has yet to be confirmed.

Mrs Justice Yip said she will deal with an application by the media to be allowed to publish the names of the defendants at the hearing tomorrow morning, and proceedings were adjourned until then.



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brianna-ghey-killers-sentenced-named-171458220.html

[Niamh.]

I don't think there was ever a doubt they'd be found guilty, what will be interesting to see is how much time they'll get. They sound like complete psychopaths

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Christ, even if they didn't target her specifically for being trans, they're clearly sick and twisted individuals. Thrown them away and lock up the key. Preferably in some kind of mental unit - they're either literal psychopaths, or just so evil they should be treated as such.

This.

[Cherie]

She was fearless to be whoever she wanted to be. She wanted to identify as a female and she wanted to wear girl’s school uniform and yeah she just did it. It wasn’t a hurdle at all for her

Brianna's mother, Esther Ghey
Brianna’s mother, Esther Ghey, spoke of her daughter’s bravery.

She told the BBC: “She was fearless to be whoever she wanted to be.
“She wanted to identify as a female and she wanted to wear girl’s school uniform and yeah she just did it.

“It wasn’t a hurdle at all for her.”

(Brianna) didn’t live her life as a victim. She was someone that was loud and proud and confident in who she was

Headteacher Emma Mills
Brianna’s headteacher also remembered the teenager as “loud and proud and confident”.

Speaking to the BBC, Emma Mills said: “There was never any evidence of Brianna being bullied within school or out of school.

“Brianna was very much able to give as good as she got in that way.

“And I think what was really hard was that she was portrayed in the media as a victim and she didn’t live her life as a victim.



Ghey's dad: My heart bleeds every day for Brianna
“She was someone that was loud and proud and confident in who she was.”



The Independent

[arista]

Today Press are asking
a Judge, if these evil two killer children
can be a named.

I say yes
they had a Hit list
4 others on it.


Ref: Matthew Wright (sometimes on LBC)
speaking on 'this morning' ITV
the Evil Girl controlled the boy.

[arista]

"The Independent"


I must thank Cherie
for making the effort to get the Text off that paper.
I find the ads terrible
like on the Mirror site

[MTVN]

They are going to name them when they are sentenced in February

[Cherie]

Honestly I dont get the reason for naming them at all :shrug:

[arista]

They are going to name them when they are sentenced in February


Yes the Lady Judge
knows why.

[MTVN]

It does seem a bit like indulging morbid fascination but I guess you could say they don't deserve anonymity and it might also mean that lessons can be learned if more details are available to the public etc

[bots]

they need to name them so that they can be tracked when they are inevitably released in a few years time. In a similar way to Venables

[Ammi]

…this article suggests a big factor as being the internet/technology age we now live in and anonymity being something that has become very difficult because with modern technology, many people will already know and it’s become very difficult to ‘police’….


https://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2019/news/law-column-will-lifelong-anonymity-orders-become-ever-rarer/#:~:text=There%20are%20just%20six%20individuals,Jo n%20Venables%20and%20Robert%20Thompson.

[Ammi]

…interesting though…that led me to another article of two adult paedophiles who were given anonymity because it was felt that they may harm themselves if it wasn’t given…I’m sure the law is simple for those who practise and understand it but it feels often filled with complications and exceptions…

[bots]

all it takes is for an mp to name them in parliament and that's it. There is no stopping a name coming out if there is a will to do so

[Cherie]

It does seem a bit like indulging morbid fascination but I guess you could say they don't deserve anonymity and it might also mean that lessons can be learned if more details are available to the public etc

they need to name them so that they can be tracked when they are inevitably released in a few years time. In a similar way to Venables

good point

[Ammi]

…I think the sentencing for Brianna’s killers is today and they’ll both be named when sentenced…

[bots]

They are Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe, both 16

[arista]

They are Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe, both 16


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/02/02/11/80771713-0-image-m-1_1706873028895.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12889073/brianna-ghey-killers-unmasked-names.html

[arista]

How sad
her mother said it was the first time she had gone on a bus
alone, to meet her friends in the park


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/02/02/10/78426625-13037291-Bus_CCTV_showed_Brianna_purchasing_a_ticket_from_t he_driver_as_s-a-10_1706869312631.jpg

SkyNewsHD reporter

[Gusto Brunt]

Just heard the sentences.

20 years for him, 22 years for her.

NOT LONG ENOUGH. The Lefty Judge saying when you come out. WTF.

They'll only be mid 30s when considered for release. Madness.

BOTH should have got at least 40 years each.

[arista]

Just heard the sentences.

20 years for him, 22 years for her.

NOT LONG ENOUGH. The Lefty Judge saying when you come out. WTF.

They'll only be mid 30s when considered for release. Madness.

BOTH should have got at least 40 years each.


Good Point Gusto

[Gusto Brunt]

It's a human reaction, Arista.

[Cherie]

So Scarlett finally cracked and admitted to murdering Brianna, she told Eddie to bring the knife, he stabbed her initially but did not want to kill her so Scarlett grabbed the knife and killed her, at least she finally owned up, hope she never sees the light of day again

[Cherie]

Just heard the sentences.

20 years for him, 22 years for her.

NOT LONG ENOUGH. The Lefty Judge saying when you come out. WTF.

They'll only be mid 30s when considered for release. Madness.

BOTH should have got at least 40 years each.

it is minimum and will then be up to the parole board to decide if they continue to present a danger ...hope the parole board get it right

[bots]

the reason the judge went into such detail on sentencing is because there are specific jail term recommendations for the type of crime. We can disagree with the jail term length, but the way it was determined is entirely transparent. It does not reflect any political bias for that very reason

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/02/02/16/80782701-0-image-m-3_1706890897382.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13037925/Brianna-Gheys-killers-jailed-life-Scarlett-Jenkinson-Eddie-Ratcliffe-languish-prison-42-years-evil-pair-considered-release-judge-says-murder-driven-transphobia.html

[MTVN]

They said the girl has apparently been working on another kill list in prison. Really disturbing stuff. That alongside the fact she tried to poison another kid a year before. The boy actually seemed like a good student before this and was a champion kickboxer apparently?

Psychologists would have a field day studying these two. What's interesting is that normally killers like this come from really broken homes and traumatic childhoods but it doesn't really sound the case here. Not from whats been reported anyway but that's obviously not the full story

[user104658]

They said the girl has apparently been working on another kill list in prison. Really disturbing stuff. That alongside the fact she tried to poison another kid a year before. The boy actually seemed like a good student before this and was a champion kickboxer apparently?

Psychologists would have a field day studying these two. What's interesting is that normally killers like this come from really broken homes and traumatic childhoods but it doesn't really sound the case here. Not from whats been reported anyway but that's obviously not the full story

When you have multiple killers it's very rare that both are equally the driving force... basically not many people are actually ever motivated to commit senseless murder so two of them just happening to befriend each other in the same school would be exceptionally rare. What isn't rare, of course, is people being easily led by someone influential.

I wouldn't really speculate in this case as there's been a lot of hearsay. It does (somewhat) seem that it was the girl who had a fixation with killing someone, and the guy was convinced to get involved by her. Which obviously means he wasn't exactly in good psychological health either - but he might not have actually committed an act of violence without encouragement/prompting.

[user104658]

Interestingly it is the "opposite way around" to the usual if that's the case. There are loads of examples of "killer couples" from around the world and almost ALWAYS with a little bit of digging, the telltale signs of coercive abuse and control are there (with the male being the abuser, and the woman seeking to appease or impress).

[Gusto Brunt]

Just been on Twitter. There's a lot of Lefty do-gooders supporting the words of the Lefty Judge who thinks these two very evil monsters can be freed in the future.

Look, these two monsters are beyond help. You don't commit a hideous crime like vicious murder and then in 20 years be put in charge of looking after young kids in a nursery.

THROW away the key.:fist:

[MTVN]

When you have multiple killers it's very rare that both are equally the driving force... basically not many people are actually ever motivated to commit senseless murder so two of them just happening to befriend each other in the same school would be exceptionally rare. What isn't rare, of course, is people being easily led by someone influential.

I wouldn't really speculate in this case as there's been a lot of hearsay. It does (somewhat) seem that it was the girl who had a fixation with killing someone, and the guy was convinced to get involved by her. Which obviously means he wasn't exactly in good psychological health either - but he might not have actually committed an act of violence without encouragement/prompting.

Yeah he apparently went completely mute during his trial which suggests some disorder present, agree she seems to have been the driving force

[MTVN]

Just been on Twitter. There's a lot of Lefty do-gooders supporting the words of the Lefty Judge who thinks these two very evil monsters can be freed in the future.

Look, these two monsters are beyond help. You don't commit a hideous crime like vicious murder and then in 20 years be put in charge of looking after young kids in a nursery.

THROW away the key.:fist:

Why are people getting hung up on what might happen in 20 years. Likelihood is they won't be released still after that time but it's a question for another day

Public are always desperate to play judge and jury

[Zizu]

it is minimum and will then be up to the parole board to decide if they continue to present a danger ...hope the parole board get it right


They both stabbed an innocent person in their head and face how can they NOT present a danger.. ever


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Just been on Twitter. There's a lot of Lefty do-gooders supporting the words of the Lefty Judge who thinks these two very evil monsters can be freed in the future.

Look, these two monsters are beyond help. You don't commit a hideous crime like vicious murder and then in 20 years be put in charge of looking after young kids in a nursery.

THROW away the key.:fist:

Twitter's full of 12 year olds.

They will know when their older which people can be redeemed and which people can't be redeemed... Hopefully.:laugh:

[Ammi]

…I mean, it’s difficult for us to look at the images of what appear to be ‘innocence’ and connect and correlate them with their actions and the darkness of the planning etc…I can’t imagine how it must be for their parents and all who know them…and all reports are saying that there were no obvious red flags…and also how difficult for the police officers involved in the case who were such an active and living part of stepping through the process of connecting these children with their crimes/their actions/their intent to pursue and continue…I can’t imagine the difficulties in processing it all…and I hope that the system around them can offer enough support for all when needed…

…in this link is a very short video of when the arrests took place…

https://news.sky.com/story/scarlett-jenkinson-and-eddie-ratcliffe-named-as-brianna-gheys-teenage-killers-but-victims-father-disagrees-with-judges-decision-13061367

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13039945/scarlett-jenkinson-family-break-silence-brianna-ghey-murder.html

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Unfortunately for Brianna, these sickos could've spoke to her in person about meeting her at the same place where she ended up being murdered by the two of them.

Unfortunately it's just one of those scenarios where they were going to kill Brianna regardless, because tbf to everyone involved there was no way to tell what was going to happen.

It really is a tragic death that unfortunately would've needed someone with psychic abilities to exist. Or the two killers to actually be decent people, but they wouldn't be cold blooded killers if they were decent people.

[bots]

you can't take away the rights of all children because of one isolated incident, that really didn't have anything to do with phones, no matter how sad and tragic it was

[Cherie]

Father of Brianna Ghey murderer jailed for sex offences


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/father-of-brianna-ghey-murderer-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1j6qhG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=b0ebfce4cbb04bbf8063c69a46ee96a8&ei=9


thought both sets of parents were upstanding citizens....

[arista]

Terrible news

[Zizu]

Father of Brianna Ghey murderer jailed for sex offences


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/father-of-brianna-ghey-murderer-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1j6qhG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=b0ebfce4cbb04bbf8063c69a46ee96a8&ei=9


thought both sets of parents were upstanding citizens....


Absolutely unbelievable… or is it ?


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[Zizu]

WTF

The scumbag male murderer has filed an APPEAL today !!!

No doubt paid for by taxpayers


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[arista]

WTF

The scumbag male murderer has filed an APPEAL today !!!

No doubt paid for by taxpayers




They Must Refuse it.

[bots]

the appeal won't be successful, but it is their legal right to do so