The SNP leadership contest - HUMZA USELESS WINS

[Crimson Dynamo]

A thread to discuss the SNP leadership race

Nominations for leader opened on 16 February, with Ash Regan and Humza
Yousaf both declaring their candidacy on 18 February. Kate Forbes announced
her candidacy on 20 February. Nominations closed on 24 February and voting
will begin on 13 March and close on 27 March, with the leader to be declared
that day.

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https://www.kateforbes.scot/

Three candidates will take part in the contest to succeed Nicola Sturgeon as
SNP leader and first minister.

MSPs Kate Forbes, Ash Regan and Humza Yousaf had all met the threshold
for nominations by the noon deadline.

The ballot of SNP members, which will use a single transferrable vote
system, opens on 13 March and the winner will be announced on 27 March.

Candidates had been required to get 100 nominations from at least 20 local
party branches.

But a poll published on Friday suggested Ms Forbes was the most popular
candidate among SNP voters.

The survey of 1,001 people who voted for the party at the last Scottish
Parliament election, carried out by communications agency The Big
Partnership between Monday and Wednesday, found 28% favoured Ms Forbes
as the next leader, against 20% for Mr Yousaf and 7% for Ms Regan. About a
third were undecided.

The poll also suggested that the cost of living crisis was regarded as the most
important issue, followed by the economy, the NHS and education. Only 5%
said they thought that the new leader's faith or personal beliefs were
important.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Protestants are now hounded out of politics, as Kate Forbes has shown

https://www.newstatesman.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/02/Kate-Forbes-web.jpg


So why did Kate Forbes do it? After years in parliament she will have been aware of the reaction to an MSP who declared their opposition to gay marriage, let alone pre-marital sex. Yet she did so anyway: immediately, almost proudly.

She was duly denounced as a bigot and her backers peeled away. A BBC radio phone-in had callers saying they’d feel “unsafe” with her in Bute House. One compared her with the Taliban. On day one she torched not just her own campaign but also, in all likelihood, her political career. Why?

One of her prominent supporters says she was out of practice: that seven months of maternity leave meant she bungled the question. But Ms Forbes is perhaps the smartest woman in Holyrood and an expert in talking about her faith, having been grilled about it in most interviews.

So I’m more inclined to go with another theory: that she decided to answer modestly but truthfully, and to expose the bigotry that religious politicians now face. And that any overreaction might – just might – provoke some soul-searching in her party.

“Love not Kate,” screamed the front page of the Daily Record, Scotland’s main tabloid, after she spoke about saving herself for marriage. A bit of a stretch; is pre-marital celibacy, however old-fashioned, really a form of hatred? But the word is being invoked here in its new, modern sense.

A “hate crime” isn’t really about hatred. It’s about deviating from the new set of liberal social beliefs which are now taking the form of a religion – and one in front of which Ms Forbes has decided not to genuflect. With results now there for all to see.

It’s worth reflecting on her offending words, because there weren’t many of them. On sex: “My faith would say that sex is for marriage – that’s the approach that I would practise.” On gender: “A rapist cannot be a woman, and therefore my straight answer would be that Isla Bryson is a man.” And on gay marriage: “I would have voted, as a matter of conscience, along the lines of mainstream teaching in most major religions, that marriage is between a man and a woman. But I would have respected and defended the democratic choice that was made.”

Such are the words that can now shoot down the highest political flyer, but it’s hard to see how she could have been more polite or restrained. She was talking about her personal worldview – stressing how, as first minister, she’d defend the rights of others.

When it comes to her job, she said, she “couldn’t care less what two consenting adults do in the comfort of their own bedroom”. But this was not about what she’d do, it’s about what she thinks. She has shown, in case the Tim Farron episode left any doubt, that a test of doctrinal purity is back.

In a way, it’s a return to the old days, where it was common to regard a religious minority as inherently suspect. For centuries, we had Test Acts which demanded that anyone in public life – even teachers – swore allegiance to Protestant beliefs, thereby keeping out Catholics, Jews and other nonconformists. They stayed until 1828 in England and 1889 in Scotland, but suspicion still lingered.

When John F Kennedy ran for president, his Catholicism was a talking point in interviews. As with Forbes, some argued that it was fine for a religious minority to have the number-two job (in his case, vice-president; in hers, finance minister), but just not be in charge. Kennedy decided to take this head-on and spoke to a gathering of Protestants in Houston in a speech later hailed as a template for religious tolerance in a democracy.

He asked to be judged only on what kind of America he believed in. “What kind of church I believe in,” he said, “should be important only to me.” And if religious candidates are subjected to a purity test, where would that lead, given changing political fashions? Today, he said, “it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed. It may some day be again a Jew, a Quaker, a Unitarian or a Baptist … Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped.”

It is now Protestants – Forbes and Farron – who are the highest-profile political victims of this new intolerance. Both pleaded, as JFK did, that their innermost thoughts should not really matter: they’d vote to protect diversity and equality. Both were asking for tolerance of religious minorities. And both ended up being denounced as bigots, because neither would, when asked, renounce the teachings of their church.

This is the real question raised by Forbes. How can a multi-faith democracy work unless we accept and respect religious differences? Do we want to live in a country where children growing up in a Muslim, Jewish or Christian family see – in Ms Forbes’s monstering – that they’ll hit a glass ceiling in their career unless they renounce certain aspects of their faith? Was the Equality Act of 2010 ever intended to impose a new religion, with apostates identified, hounded and deposed?

Kemi Badenoch, the equalities minister, put it well. The whole saga, she said, was intended to protect diversity, not enforce conformity. It’s a shield to protect minorities, not a sword to attack them. If people like Kate Forbes cannot say what they believe without being pilloried, then we have somehow ushered in a draconian system that needs to be dismantled. Outside politics, if people can be fired or disciplined for public expressions of aspects of their faith, how strong is our claim to be a country of religious freedom?

“I do not intend to apologise for these views,” said Kennedy in 1960. “Nor do I intend to disavow either my views or my church in order to win this election.” His words ended the debate – and, it was felt at the time, ended the era where any candidate’s religion was a bar to political progress. But that did not, it seems, last for long. As Ms Forbes tries to salvage what remains of her campaign, she can at least say she has shown that this old discrimination is back, and that a brief window of tolerance that Kennedy opened has snapped shut.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/23/protestants-now-hounded-politics-kate-forbes-has-shown/

Top Comment: I am not a churchgoer, nor an ardent supporter of religion in general, but I can’t help but admire someone who has the courage to state their beliefs against a backdrop of skewed leftist thinking which demonises anyone or anything that disagrees with it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – If the unpopularity of Nicola Sturgeon’s Gender Recognition Reform Bill
led to her downfall, what does this say about Scottish Labour’s ability to
understand public opinion?

It voted for this legislation and enabled it to pass.

Carol Rispin
Hessle, East Yorkshire

[Cherie]

Yes more phone ins today about Kate Forbes and her suitability for high office given her beliefs....not a word about

Humza Yousaf ‘skipped gay marriage vote following pressure from mosque’
Minister alleges SNP leadership frontrunner asked Alex Salmond for permission to duck the final vote, which he vigorously denies

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/24/snp-humza-yousaf-leadership-candidate-gay-marriage-vote/

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/HerdImmunity12/status/1629405526554562561?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1628137927879364658?s=20

[bots]

oh come on LT, there are christian views and then there are 17th century christian views, and she holds 17th century Christian views

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh come on LT, there are christian views and then there are 17th century christian views, and she holds 17th century Christian views

They are views held by every Muslim in the UK

[bots]

They are views held by every Muslim in the UK

yes, but that doesn't make them right, or are you saying its all just fine

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes, but that doesn't make them right, or are you saying its all just fine

Rishi Sunak is a Hindu and they believe in an arranged marriage and many are not that keen on homosexuality

[bots]

No more alcohol for LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/GenderCritic/status/1629084122357329920?s=20

[bots]

they are both grim LT, lets be honest, and the other candidate doesn't have a hope of winning

[Crimson Dynamo]

they are both grim LT, lets be honest, and the other candidate doesn't have a hope of winning

Im asking myself what party (if any) in the UK has one decent politician?

[Liam-]

Not every Muslim has anti-gay, anti-abortion views, what an ignorant statement

[bots]

Im asking myself what party (if any) in the UK has one decent politician?

Mr buckethead of course

https://static.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20191213&t=2&i=1463550508&r=LYNXMPEFBC0BR&w=800

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not every Muslim has anti-gay, anti-abortion views, what an ignorant statement

Humza Youseless ducked the final vote on legalising same-sex marriage in Scotland following pressure from Muslim leaders

This is a guy who wants to be FM being told what to do by his mosque

chilling

[Cherie]

Not every Muslim has anti-gay, anti-abortion views, what an ignorant statement

Every practising Muslim will hold more or less the same views as Kate Forbes, they are just not asked about it

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Kenneth18987043/status/1629604580555202561?s=20

[Oliver_W]

Are there any current figures or estimations?

[bots]

Are there any current figures or estimations?

yesterday Forbes had a 7 point lead in the polls

[arista]

Humza Yousaf
said for the First Year,
of the new Bottle/Food changes,
will now not include small business


Ref : BBC1HD Laura K.

[Cherie]

He was questioned about his voting record on same sex marriage this morning by Sophie Ridge, he said he was in Pakistan dealing with a prisoner who was on death row and trying to bring him back to the UK.....

He is a practising Muslim and will observe Ramadam but does not believe same sex marriage is a sin...

[arista]

He was questioned about his voting record on same sex marriage this morning by Sophie Ridge, he said he was in Pakistan dealing with a prisoner who was on death row and trying to bring him back to the UK.....

He is a practising Muslim and will observe Ramadam but does not believe same sex marriage is a sin...


Yes Complex

I will enjoy the first Live TV debate
9PM STV1HD Tues 7 March
which I have on my SatHD box

For any that want to watch this
the want you to sign in Free, though.
https://player.stv.tv/live/stv

[Oliver_W]

He was questioned about his voting record on same sex marriage this morning by Sophie Ridge, he said he was in Pakistan dealing with a prisoner who was on death row and trying to bring him back to the UK.....

He is a practising Muslim and will observe Ramadam but does not believe same sex marriage is a sin...

I bet no-one would have the balls to question him on that.

And if they did, they wouldn't be treated in the same way as those who grill Forbes on her beliefs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was questioned about his voting record on same sex marriage this morning by Sophie Ridge, he said he was in Pakistan dealing with a prisoner who was on death row and trying to bring him back to the UK.....

He is a practising Muslim and will observe Ramadam but does not believe same sex marriage is a sin...

this article rather proves him to be a total liar regarding that "appointment in Pakistan"

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/humza-yousaf-facing-questions-after-29301948

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Fyrishsunset/status/1630169630911201280?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fury as SNP plans to hold leadership hustings to choose Scotland's next First
Minister BEHIND CLOSED DOORS after a string of gaffes by candidates - as
Humza Yousaf says he wants country to have a 'wellbeing economy'

Scottish politics exploded in anger today as the SNP announced it planned to
ban the public from hustings to choose the country's next First Minister.

The nationalist said that nine question and answer events where party
members can quiz the candidates had been designated 'safe spaces', with no
live television pictures or journalists allowed. :umm2:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11803711/SNP-plans-hold-leadership-hustings-choose-Scotlands-Minister-CLOSED-DOORS.html

[bots]

so no different to china then?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/28/16/68175055-0-image-a-32_1677602529826.jpg


Good on Kate
making the effort

[joeysteele]

That Times panelbase poll has only 45% saying who they see as leader from the choice of 3.

I do feel for the SNP because I like the Party overall.
However what a dire and depressing choice they are faced with here.

No wonder only 45% even have any preference at all.

[Cherie]

Fury as SNP plans to hold leadership hustings to choose Scotland's next First
Minister BEHIND CLOSED DOORS after a string of gaffes by candidates - as
Humza Yousaf says he wants country to have a 'wellbeing economy'

Scottish politics exploded in anger today as the SNP announced it planned to
ban the public from hustings to choose the country's next First Minister.

The nationalist said that nine question and answer events where party
members can quiz the candidates had been designated 'safe spaces', with no
live television pictures or journalists allowed. :umm2:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11803711/SNP-plans-hold-leadership-hustings-choose-Scotlands-Minister-CLOSED-DOORS.html

Safe spaces, they are going to be leading the country fgs ....Yousuf isn’t to keen on women and girls having safe spaces is he :bored:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Safe spaces, they are going to be leading the country fgs ....Yousuf isn’t to keen on women and girls having safe spaces is he :bored:

His religion takes a very dim view on women in general

[Beso]

Gutted it ends a day before my birthday. I was planning on cancelling a week of for Cheltenham to take 1 day off to sit watching them.

[arista]

Fury as SNP plans to hold leadership hustings to choose Scotland's next First
Minister BEHIND CLOSED DOORS after a string of gaffes by candidates - as
Humza Yousaf says he wants country to have a 'wellbeing economy'

Scottish politics exploded in anger today as the SNP announced it planned to
ban the public from hustings to choose the country's next First Minister.

The nationalist said that nine question and answer events where party
members can quiz the candidates had been designated 'safe spaces', with no
live television pictures or journalists allowed. :umm2:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11803711/SNP-plans-hold-leadership-hustings-choose-Scotlands-Minister-CLOSED-DOORS.html


That's because
they are not TV debates


One Starts Tomorrow
Ch4HDnews said

[arista]

At the End of Ch4HDnews
they said (SNP) one camera can be in the hustings

[Cherie]

Please don't let this clown in

During a series of interviews at a leadership campaign stop in Leith, the Scottish Health Secretary suggested that Bryson only pretended to identify as female but referred to the rapist as "her" and "they".


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/humza-yousaf-says-trans-rapist-isla-bryson-should-have-right-to-self-identify-as-female/ar-AA183GGL?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1630c5ad4f6b4e8dbb2fef4406051406&ei=24

[arista]

Ch4HDnews Debate Thursday 9th March

Live in Glasgow

The 3 SNP Debate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Please don't let this clown in

During a series of interviews at a leadership campaign stop in Leith, the Scottish Health Secretary suggested that Bryson only pretended to identify as female but referred to the rapist as "her" and "they".


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/humza-yousaf-says-trans-rapist-isla-bryson-should-have-right-to-self-identify-as-female/ar-AA183GGL?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1630c5ad4f6b4e8dbb2fef4406051406&ei=24

he is a devious, dangerous fool

[Crimson Dynamo]

v-Tv6vnSzjA

[arista]

Thanks LT for that 9mins

[arista]

Deputy John Swinney
is standing down the same time Nicola does.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lied and then attacked Kate Forbes for having the same views


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[bots]

I still can't stand Salmond, so i take everything he says with a large pinch of salt. Everyone knows the views and competence levels of the 3 leadership candidates. They are also smart enough to know when someone is lying.

As to the appetite for Scotland to have independence, it probably maxed out at the time of the last referendum, so, it will be difficult for any snp leader to increase that any time soon

[arista]

BBC Scottish Leadership Debate is 14March 8PM
BBC1HD Scotland

BBC1HD Scotland Local News
Last night told us.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/57F0/production/_128821522_candidates2_pa.jpg.webp


[The SNP leadership candidates will take part
in an hour-long debate on BBC Scotland,
it has been announced.
A special edition of the Debate Night programme
will air at 20:00 on Tuesday 14 March
on BBC One Scotland.]


SkyHD England has now moved BBC1HD Scotland to
ch number 977


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64816017

[arista]

Now a Live SNP Leaders Debate before the BBC
on SkyNewsHD 7PM 13th March 2023

[arista]

Today

9PM STV1HD Tues 7 March

which I have on my SatHD box

[user104658]

I honestly think high-level politics has simply become so unappealing to people in the UK that we're never going to have decent leaders again. The options here are dismal - just as they have been in England since Cameron ran for the hills. All you'll get is either people who are barely competent but so keen to progress that they'll give it a punt (all of this lot, May, Truss)... or people who have ulterior motives for taking on the position for personal gain (BoJo, Sunak).

No actual competent, high-profile, tried-and-tested individual with any real political conviction is going to want these jobs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article22100830.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_GettyImages-1206551640.jpg

Humza Yousaf, Ash Regan and Kate Forbes will not face an audience of sympathetic activists.

Nor will they be invited to give a clip for the news, the kind of soundbite which does not come with a serious interrogation of the content of the answer.

For the first time, nerves may feature as they realise that over an hour of live television in a demanding format could sink their campaign with a slip of the tongue.

Tomorrow, a clear frontrunner may emerge, or a candidacy could be sent to the knackers’ yard.

STV’s political editor Colin Mackay will ensure that answers which evade or are platitudinous, or embrace a love of waffle, will be punctured by a simple act of interrogation.

https://news.stv.tv/politics/bernard-ponsonby-preview-as-humza-yousaf-ash-regan-and-kate-forbes-debate-for-snp-leadership-on-stv

[arista]

I honestly think high-level politics has simply become so unappealing to people in the UK that we're never going to have decent leaders again. The options here are dismal - just as they have been in England since Cameron ran for the hills. All you'll get is either people who are barely competent but so keen to progress that they'll give it a punt (all of this lot, May, Truss)... or people who have ulterior motives for taking on the position for personal gain (BoJo, Sunak).

No actual competent, high-profile, tried-and-tested individual with any real political conviction is going to want these jobs.


TS
This one matters
as there is a UK Battle over independence


Yes May and Truss,
were piss buckets

[user104658]

TS
This one matters
as there is a UK Battle over independence


Yes May and Truss,
were piss buckets

Nah. You can more or less shelve any talk of Indy for at least a decade. Truly torpedoed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb586ebf4aec5d1669f80fa7949d5880.webp

[arista]

Nah. You can more or less shelve any talk of Indy for at least a decade. Truly torpedoed.


Yes that's why
it is fun to watch


Tonight 9PM STV1HD

on my Separate
SATHD box free viewing
that picks it up on the Turkish Feed.

[bots]

there is no fun in watching a meaningless debate where all the participants are useless

[Crimson Dynamo]

there is no fun in watching a meaningless debate where all the participants are useless

yes we have Question Time for that

[user104658]

yes we have Question Time for that

Or the House of Commons live.

[bots]

it has crossed my mind that Nicky has done this so she can come back in a few years as Scotland's saviour

[user104658]

it has crossed my mind that Nicky has done this so she can come back in a few years as Scotland's saviour

Nah I think she's tapped out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kate looking on point.


Yousless looking shifty in his fake tartan tie. he fools noone where his heart lies.

[arista]

Great Debate


STV1HD

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ash says we need to stop thinking we need permission from Westminster to be independent

[arista]

He is a Cocky Sod (Humza )

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yousless says iv had no nurses strikes (he caved)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yousless pretending he cares about Scottish independence

https://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/4/1/weiner.001.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

Humza Yousaf calls the current Labour party a "pale imitation of the Tories" when Ash
Regan hints that they would be more open to negotiation on independence than the
current government.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mr Yousaf accuses Kate Forbes of not being able to keep yes voters on side due to her views on same-sex marriage

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yousless makes a horrible extreme left view about illegal people who want to freeload in the UK by boat, for likes, hideous

[arista]

Yousless makes a horrible extreme left view about illegal people who want to freeload in the UK by boat, for likes, hideous


Yes

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ash Regan says she is "totally committed to net zero", after previously coming under fire for her comments on the oil and gas industry.

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

All candidates pledge their support for Scotland rejoining the EU.

https://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/f/d/birddrugs.001.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

Both Humza Yousaf and Ash Regan highlight their position as republicans when asked about the monarchy.

Kate Forbes said she didn't think it was a pressing issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ash Regan refuses to say if she will offer ministerial jobs to Humza Yousaf and Kate Forbes if she wins the leadership. Kate Forbes would happily offer Humza Yousaf a position, "as long as it's not health".:laugh2:

line of the night

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1633218940817244160?s=20

[arista]

LT Edit your Title
for tomorrows 9th Ch4HD 7PM
SNP Leaders Debate


Live in Glasgow Studio 30mins only

1630942549094400002

[arista]

Ch4HD says Kate Forbes is in the Lead


News Headlines first.

[arista]

Live Now

Ch4HD

30mins

[arista]

First a Scottish news report

[arista]

Live Now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kate is doing well and looks great in red

[arista]

LT next TV debate for your title.

SkyNewsHD 7PM Mon 13th


[The one-hour show will be aired on
Monday 13 March at 7pm Live from Edinburgh,
as the final candidates,
Ash Regan MSP, Humza Yousaf MSP
and Kate Forbes MSP, face questions
from Sky News' political editor Beth Rigby.]

[Crimson Dynamo]

:bored:

https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1635187828249473024?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

The debate can be watched on Freeview channel 233, Sky channel 501, Virgin 603, BT 313 as well as on the Sky News YouTube channel.

[arista]

The debate can be watched on Freeview channel 233, Sky channel 501, Virgin 603, BT 313 as well as on the Sky News YouTube channel.



Yes this Live Debate is on every platform

I am recording my usual Ch4HD Live News 7PM

To have this debate Live

[arista]

New SkyNews /You Gov Poll



27% Kate
22% Humaz
14% Ash

[arista]

Live Now


Ash starts talking

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kate for the win

[Crimson Dynamo]

Beth get into that vile man, he is a fake and does not put Scotland first

[arista]

Beth get into that vile man, he is a fake and does not put Scotland first

Yes


Good on Kate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh dear Ash...

[arista]

Beth now dealing with bad polls Humaz

[Crimson Dynamo]

Useless banging on he is popular with snp voters

you need to appeal to all you muslim oaf

[Crimson Dynamo]

and will not say what a woman is, he thinks men can be women too if the fancy takes them

:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is JK Rowling a national treasure?

Ash - yes

Kate - Yes absolutely

Him - no she is a Terf (in so many words)

vile

[Oliver_W]

Is JK Rowling a national treasure?

Ash - yes

Kate - Yes absolutely

Him - no she is a Terf (in so many words)

vile

What was the audience response to each?

[arista]

Great to have a one hour debate.

Tomorrow BBC1HD Scotland Debate

[Crimson Dynamo]

What was the audience response to each?

no audience

[arista]

BBC Scottish Leadership Debate is 14March 8PM
BBC1HD Scotland

BBC1HD Scotland Local News
Last night told us.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/57F0/production/_128821522_candidates2_pa.jpg.webp


[The SNP leadership candidates will take part
in an hour-long debate on BBC Scotland,
it has been announced.
A special edition of the Debate Night programme
will air at 20:00 on Tuesday 14 March
on BBC One Scotland.]


SkyHD England has now moved BBC1HD Scotland to
ch number 977


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64816017


Tomorrow 8PM

[Cherie]

WHO is the favourite to win...not following this at all...

[Cherie]

:bored:

https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1635187828249473024?s=20

Have these members learned nothing :facepalm:

I guess at least she wasn’t removed for asking the question as happened during Nicola’s reign

[arista]

WHO is the favourite to win...not following this at all...


Kate or Humaz

Ash is low in ratings

[arista]

Tonight Debate Night Ch977 on SkyHD
8PM BBC1HD Scotland one hour

Or BBC1HD if you are in Scotland

I wonder if BBCnewsHD will cover it
so far not on the EPG Sky guide


Stephen Jardine and a Live Audience
in Edinburgh
with the 3 SNP ministers.

[joeysteele]

I'm not following this either.

I said before whoever wins has an incredible hard act to follow.
I really don't care for any of these 3.

Sturgeon was the only Party leader in the UK I felt had some real gumption about her.

It now looks like the SNP will as with all the other Parties across the UK political set up, have to elect a poor leader from a very poor choice.
Very, very sadly.

[arista]

Live now


On BBCnewsHD

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001k4yj

Kate looks resplendent tonight

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good point on NHS

why do we never talk about efficiency?

poorly run

[Zizu]

Good point on NHS

why do we never talk about efficiency?

poorly run


That’s supposedly correct ..

I watched a documentary about this matter a while back .. apparently the NHS doesn’t need more money it just needs to use it effectively


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[bots]

All three SNP leadership candidates have predicted that Scotland can be an independent country within five years if they win the contest.

Ash Regan, Humza Yousaf and Kate Forbes were speaking as they faced each other in a BBC Scotland TV debate.

Mr Yousaf said he believed the country "can and will be" independent by 2028 in response to a question from an audience member.

Ms Regan and Ms Forbes both said they believed the same.

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

All three SNP leadership candidates have predicted that Scotland can be an independent country within five years if they win the contest.

Ash Regan, Humza Yousaf and Kate Forbes were speaking as they faced each other in a BBC Scotland TV debate.

Mr Yousaf said he believed the country "can and will be" independent by 2028 in response to a question from an audience member.

Ms Regan and Ms Forbes both said they believed the same.

:laugh:


I wonder if ALL 3 would commit to resign as leader IF that wasn't to come to fruition.

[Cherie]

All three SNP leadership candidates have predicted that Scotland can be an independent country within five years if they win the contest.

Ash Regan, Humza Yousaf and Kate Forbes were speaking as they faced each other in a BBC Scotland TV debate.

Mr Yousaf said he believed the country "can and will be" independent by 2028 in response to a question from an audience member.

Ms Regan and Ms Forbes both said they believed the same.

:laugh:

Have they not looked at the recent polls, the percentage to stay in the UK has increased......

[Tom4784]

Humza Yousaf is the only real choice since he seems the most likely to carry on Nicola Sturgeon's legacy and goals. Kate Forbes is insane, will likely kowtow to tories, and harm rights of LGBT people. Regan calling JK Rowling a national treasure is a ****show (Which Kate Forbes did as well, but she's a ****show in general).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Humza Yousaf is the only real choice since he seems the most likely to carry on Nicola Sturgeon's legacy and goals. Kate Forbes is insane, will likely kowtow to tories, and harm rights of LGBT people. Regan calling JK Rowling a national treasure is a ****show (Which Kate Forbes did as well, but she's a ****show in general).

JK is national treasure for exposing the hateful transmobs

[Tom4784]

JK is national treasure for exposing the hateful transmobs

She's a painfully unaware moron taken in by extremism and right wing rhetoric. I read something she said recently in which she basically made out that trans people were like Death Eaters, and it was so embarrassing that she didn't realise that death eaters who believed that the circumstances of someone's birth matters above all else and would try to force that view on everyone was a trans allegory and not something more fitted to the gender critical movement as a whole.

She could have done wonderful things with her reach and wealth, and she chose to become a puppet.

[Oliver_W]

I read something she said recently in which she basically made out that trans people were like Death Eaters,
Here's what she said (https://etcanada.com/news/977052/j-k-rowling-says-she-knew-anti-trans-views-would-upset-harry-potter-fans-and-compares-trans-activists-to-death-eaters/):
The Death Eaters claimed, 'now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die.’ They demonized and dehumanized those who were not like them,” she explained.

I mean ... she's not wrong :joker: "TERFs" are seen as fair game.

Though I'd be interested to know what "right wing rhetoric" you think she's been saying. Are women's rights seen as extremist now?

[Tom4784]

Here's what she said (https://etcanada.com/news/977052/j-k-rowling-says-she-knew-anti-trans-views-would-upset-harry-potter-fans-and-compares-trans-activists-to-death-eaters/):
The Death Eaters claimed, 'now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die.’ They demonized and dehumanized those who were not like them,” she explained.

I mean ... she's not wrong :joker: "TERFs" are seen as fair game.

Though I'd be interested to know what "right wing rhetoric" you think she's been saying. Are women's rights seen as extremist now?

She doesn't give a **** about women's rights. Pretty much every statement she ever makes about women's rights is laced with transphobia. She only cares as much about women's rights if she can use it as a shield for her hate.

When abortion bans came into effect in the USA, she remained completely silent, and only offered up a very short statement when directly asked about it. Before you say 'why would she need to say anything about US abortion issues?' She comments frequently on trans issues in the US. What she did say about abortion is immediately undercut by the fact she considers the likes of Caroline Farrow and Emma Nicholson as friends, among others. Caroline is a vehement opponent of both abortion rights and gay rights, Emma Nicholson previously only supported the idea of abortion if the child would be disabled or abortions in favour of eugenics. Outside of that criteria (which is ****ing insane, btw), she opposed the right of choice.

JK Rowling is such a big proponent of women that she considers Marilyn Manson a good friend, someone who has been accused for a fair few years at this point, of various sexual assaults against women.

The only time she comes out for women's rights is if it props up her hate of transpeople. Women's rights are not extreme, but there's a lot of extremists that are trying to hijack that cause to push their bigotry.

As for the Death Eater comparison. Transpeople aren't destroying people, they aren't trampling people, transpeople just want to exist without being ****ing hatecrimed, murderered and having their rights restricted. The GCs are the ones that want to stamp transpeople out, and then it'll be the other letters of the LGBT, and then their masters that pull their strings will turn on them too. You can't really look at the GCs and pretend that they aren't the death eaters in this comparison.

It's funny really, JK Rowling has said that Hermione was influenced by JK as a child, but the self insert character of HP isn't any of the three main characters, it's Dolores Umbridge.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She doesn't give a **** about women's rights. Pretty much every statement she ever makes about women's rights is laced with transphobia. She only cares as much about women's rights if she can use it as a shield for her hate.

When abortion bans came into effect in the USA, she remained completely silent, and only offered up a very short statement when directly asked about it. Before you say 'why would she need to say anything about US abortion issues?' She comments frequently on trans issues in the US. What she did say about abortion is immediately undercut by the fact she considers the likes of Caroline Farrow and Emma Nicholson as friends, among others. Caroline is a vehement opponent of both abortion rights and gay rights, Emma Nicholson previously only supported the idea of abortion if the child would be disabled or abortions in favour of eugenics. Outside of that criteria (which is ****ing insane, btw), she opposed the right of choice.

JK Rowling is such a big proponent of women that she considers Marilyn Manson a good friend, someone who has been accused for a fair few years at this point, of various sexual assaults against women.

The only time she comes out for women's rights is if it props up her hate of transpeople. Women's rights are not extreme, but there's a lot of extremists that are trying to hijack that cause to push their bigotry.

As for the Death Eater comparison. Transpeople aren't destroying people, they aren't trampling people, transpeople just want to exist without being ****ing hatecrimed, murderered and having their rights restricted. The GCs are the ones that want to stamp transpeople out, and then it'll be the other letters of the LGBT, and then their masters that pull their strings will turn on them too. You can't really look at the GCs and pretend that they aren't the death eaters in this comparison.

It's funny really, JK Rowling has said that Hermione was influenced by JK as a child, but the self insert character of HP isn't any of the three main characters, it's Dolores Umbridge.

"She doesn't give a **** about women's rights. Pretty much every statement she ever makes about women's rights is laced with transphobia. She only cares as much about women's rights if she can use it as a shield for her hate."


:facepalm:

[Tom4784]

"She doesn't give a **** about women's rights. Pretty much every statement she ever makes about women's rights is laced with transphobia. She only cares as much about women's rights if she can use it as a shield for her hate."


:facepalm:

I see you can't argue against what I'm saying so you pretend to disparage it by using an emote while actually offering nothing of value as a response.

Come back when you actually have something to say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see you can't argue against what I'm saying so you pretend to disparage it by using an emote while actually offering nothing of value as a response.

Come back when you actually have something to say.

You are way beyond polite discourse. No one wishes to engage a rude aggressive person. I dont know if you have actual issues or are on medication but its a worry, for sure.

[Oliver_W]

When abortion bans came into effect in the USA, she remained completely silent,

Abortion isn't a cut-and-dry issue, not "even" for feminists. Plenty are against the killing of unborn babies.

What would she have to do to save her from you revoking her Feminist Card? Would rescuing (https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-helped-afghan-lawyers-flee-the-taliban/) hundreds of female lawyers and their families from Afghanistan count? Or does saving women from the Taliban make her "islamophobic" ?

[arista]

Another Live Debate
8PM Times Radio DAB and Free online & YouTube


Tues 21st March
Edinburgh SNP leader debate with Aasmah Mir


The Free Live Link
Times Radio online

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio?gclid=CjwKCAjw_MqgBhAGEiwAnYOAer9up2AECdhQMc Si7IuA1BdCGmTEv4AnBzIInwcCS5ADfdBgVAsP3hoC0ugQAvD_ BwE

[arista]

Monday 20th 7PM LBC Live

Then
Tuesday 21st 8PM Times Radio Live And You Tube

1636815648851361792

[arista]

Peter Murrell has resigned, as SNP Chief Executive


SkyNewsHD.

[bots]

Peter Murrell has resigned, as SNP Chief Executive


SkyNewsHD.

The SNP chief executive Peter Murrell has resigned with immediate effect in a row over party membership.

Mr Murrell, who is married to outgoing party leader Nicola Sturgeon, said he had become a distraction to the leadership race.

The party has been forced to confirm a large drop in its membership numbers, which it had previously denied.

Mr Murrell had been set to face a vote of no confidence had he not stepped down, the BBC understands.

Two leadership candidates, Kate Forbes and Ash Regan, have questioned the independence of the election process.

And on Friday, the SNP's head of media at Holyrood, Murray Foote, resigned, saying there were "serious issues" with statements he had issued in "good faith" on behalf of party headquarters.

A National Executive Committee source told the BBC Mr Foote had been "thrown under the bus" by Peter Murrell who accepted responsibility for a misleading statement about SNP membership numbers.

Mr Murrell has been chief executive of the SNP since 2000 and married to Ms Sturgeon since 2010.

In his resignation statement he said: "Responsibility for the SNP's responses to media queries about our membership number lies with me as chief executive.

"While there was no intent to mislead, I accept that this has been the outcome.

"I have therefore decided to confirm my intention to step down as chief executive with immediate effect."

He said he had not planned to step down until after the leadership contest but recognised that he had become "a distraction from the campaign".

"I have concluded that I should stand down now, so the party can focus fully on issues about Scotland's future," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65000606
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he is dodgy af

[arista]

Yes Well Dodgy Peter
her husband


But Humza Yousaf Backed him

Ref: Matt Frei, LBC today

[Cherie]

No mention of the missing 600K

[Gusto Brunt]

The SNP chief executive Peter Murrell has resigned with immediate effect in a row over party membership.

Mr Murrell, who is married to outgoing party leader Nicola Sturgeon, said he had become a distraction to the leadership race.

The party has been forced to confirm a large drop in its membership numbers, which it had previously denied.

Mr Murrell had been set to face a vote of no confidence had he not stepped down, the BBC understands.

Two leadership candidates, Kate Forbes and Ash Regan, have questioned the independence of the election process.

And on Friday, the SNP's head of media at Holyrood, Murray Foote, resigned, saying there were "serious issues" with statements he had issued in "good faith" on behalf of party headquarters.

A National Executive Committee source told the BBC Mr Foote had been "thrown under the bus" by Peter Murrell who accepted responsibility for a misleading statement about SNP membership numbers.

Mr Murrell has been chief executive of the SNP since 2000 and married to Ms Sturgeon since 2010.

In his resignation statement he said: "Responsibility for the SNP's responses to media queries about our membership number lies with me as chief executive.

"While there was no intent to mislead, I accept that this has been the outcome.

"I have therefore decided to confirm my intention to step down as chief executive with immediate effect."

He said he had not planned to step down until after the leadership contest but recognised that he had become "a distraction from the campaign".

"I have concluded that I should stand down now, so the party can focus fully on issues about Scotland's future," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65000606
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he is dodgy af


I don't follow Scottish politics, so I Googled him to see who he was. Yes, he's married to THAT WOMAN. Sorry but I always thought she was a lesbian. I guess I was wrong.:shrug:

Any, her husband is only 58. Wow, he's had a hard milk round. He looks about 70. I guess being married to her explains it. :p :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Useless YOusaf leaves Ukrainian women awkwardly laughing after making cringe-worthy gaffe

https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/snp-leadership-contender-humza-yousaf-poses-for-a-photo.jpg?id=33303315&width=928&quality=80

Humza Yousaf has come under fire after asking a group of Ukrainian women
in Scotland: “Where are all the men?”

The SNP leadership candidate made a visit to the Association of Ukrainians of
Great Britain on Thursday.

While posing for a photo with a group of women, he exclaimed “where are all
the men?”

In a video, the women laugh awkwardly before explaining that their partners
are still in Ukraine fighting in the war against Vladimir Putin’s troops.

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/snp-humza-yousaf-ukrain-gaffe-where-are-the-men

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1637148357503119362?s=20

[Cherie]

Useless YOusaf leaves Ukrainian women awkwardly laughing after making cringe-worthy gaffe

https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/snp-leadership-contender-humza-yousaf-poses-for-a-photo.jpg?id=33303315&width=928&quality=80

Humza Yousaf has come under fire after asking a group of Ukrainian women
in Scotland: “Where are all the men?”

The SNP leadership candidate made a visit to the Association of Ukrainians of
Great Britain on Thursday.

While posing for a photo with a group of women, he exclaimed “where are all
the men?”

In a video, the women laugh awkwardly before explaining that their partners
are still in Ukraine fighting in the war against Vladimir Putin’s troops.

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/snp-humza-yousaf-ukrain-gaffe-where-are-the-men

:umm2:


He really is well versed in current affairs then

[arista]

Times Radio Debate

thinks Kate will Win.

[arista]

He really is well versed in current affairs then


Yes but not honest
Folks do not trust him.................

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes but not honest
Folks do not trust him.................

neither they should

he is shifty and a stranger to the truth

he thinks women have cocks

[arista]

No mention of the missing 600K

SNP Corruption

[arista]

Kate Forbes is on SkyNewsHD Ridge first,
recorded just before her show starts.

Then Live on BBC1HD on Laura K.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/20B5/production/_129037380_sdmpage1monday-page-001.jpg.webp
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2C6D/production/_129037311_screenshot2023-03-19at23.07.13.png.webp
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16105/production/_129037309_scottishdailyexpress.jpg.webp

[arista]

LT Title Change


Monday 20th 7PM LBC Live

The 3 MP's with Ian Dale.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT Title Change


Monday 20th 7PM LBC Live

The 3 MP's with Ian Dale.

Looking forward to this one, after the weekend

Iain will go right for them

[arista]

1637810335921913856

[Crimson Dynamo]

1637810335921913856

nasty deluded arrogant woman

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrrBKCmWcAIW4-G?format=jpg&name=small

Live in Glasgow 7PM

[arista]

Live Now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yousless just said Mhairi Black was a Great msp

this is why this berk should never be in power of anything

:umm2:

[bots]

if people are stupid enough to vote for him (and i don't think they will in any great numbers) then they only have themselves to blame

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1637893994628755460/w2hIoEW-?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

Iain asked Kate about the fact he is gay and has a husband but did not ask not nice muslim Yousless about it and his cult religion which hates gays a lot more

Now some rainbow flag is on talking about tiny minority issues when all of the roads in Edinburgh have huge potholes and you need a 4-wheel drive just to get around. stop pandering to shrieking tiny minorities and govern for ALL

:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Iain asked Kate about the fact he is gay and has a husband but did not ask not nice muslim Yousless about it and his cult religion which hates gays a lot more

Now some rainbow flag is on talking about tiny minority issues when all of the roads in Edinburgh have huge potholes and you need a 4-wheel drive just to get around. stop pandering to shrieking tiny minorities and govern for ALL

:facepalm:

I caught part of this debate I thought she answered it well

[arista]

Another Live Debate
8PM Times Radio DAB and Free online & YouTube


Tues 21st March
Edinburgh SNP leader debate with Aasmah Mir


The Free Live Link
Times Radio online

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio?gclid=CjwKCAjw_MqgBhAGEiwAnYOAer9up2AECdhQMc Si7IuA1BdCGmTEv4AnBzIInwcCS5ADfdBgVAsP3hoC0ugQAvD_ BwE

Another Live debate Tonight 8PM on Times Radio

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yesterday Sturgeon dismissed the SNP crisis as growing pains

2 days from when their head of communications had to quit after lying about a huge fall in SNP membership

you
could
not make
it
up

[arista]

LT

Another Live Debate
tonight 8PM

8PM Times Radio DAB,online & YouTube

Live 8PM Times Radio/You Tube 21st


The You Tube Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHqfbDssBl4

[arista]

Live now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good-natured debate and the Asian lady who hosted it was very good

[arista]

Good-natured debate and the Asian lady who hosted it was very good


She used to work for the BBC
on Daily Politics
and Radio 4.


Experience pays off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

SNP loses another by-election as jubilant Conservatives take Dunblane-Bridge
of Allan with 10-point boost


The Scottish Conservatives are celebrating a win at Stirling Council after
securing a win against the SNP at a by-election.

This puts the Nats at a disadvantage with just seven representatives on the
local authority compared to the Tories who now have eight members.

The by-election for Dunblane-Bridge of Allan followed the death of SNP
councillor Graham Houston who passed away in December last year and the
vote result is the latest in a line of political losses for the Nats.

https://twitter.com/Douglas4Moray/status/1636683530896830464?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1638942365338710020?s=20

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1638942365338710020?s=20


Oh dear

[Crimson Dynamo]

The mood at SNP meetings must be pretty low just now. Even so, I’d love to have been a fly on the wall during the
brainstorming session for Humza Yousaf’s latest photo op.

“Right, guys, I’m announcing my plan to promote women’s rights. So for the photo I need some kind of visual
metaphor that shows female voters how seriously I take them. Any ideas?”

“How about you hold up a nice, cute pink heart? That’s the kind of thing the girlies like, bless them.”

Sadly for the SNP leadership favourite, however, the resulting photo has gone down particularly badly with a woman no
politician wants to upset. On Twitter, JK Rowling retorted: “What a lovely pink heart. Now tell us why you voted down
the amendment to stop rapists being housed in women’s jails.”

Mr Yousaf should beware: this was only a warning shot. The truth is, no one did more than Ms Rowling to bring down
Nicola Sturgeon – apart, perhaps, from Ms Sturgeon herself. And if, as bookmakers expect, Mr Yousaf becomes
Scotland’s new First Minister next week, Ms Rowling may well bring him down, too. At least, if he refuses to abandon
his predecessor’s policy on gender self-ID.

Surely Ms Sturgeon’s downfall has taught him it’s political Kryptonite. Even Sir Keir Starmer is now tiptoeing anxiously
away from the idea. Yet the SNP front-runner did pledge to take the UK Government to court to force self-ID through.

Mr Yousaf has described himself as the SNP’s “continuity candidate”. I suspect he’s right. Continuity is exactly what he
can provide – by causing another furious row over gender, and then resigning.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/25/jk-rowling-brought-sturgeon-bring-humza-yousaf/

[arista]

We get the New Leader Result
on Monday.


Good it will all be over.

[Livia]

We get the New Leader Result
on Monday.


Good it will all be over.

All over for the SNP.

[arista]

All over for the SNP.


Good Point

[Oliver_W]

Does anyone even care specifically about "gender balanced" Cabinets?

It's a very tokenistic, "2016" thing to do.

[Livia]

I think most people want to see the best, most qualified person for the job get the post, regardless of who they are.

[bots]

So the new leader is announced this afternoon. I think it very much depends which faction have recently left in their droves and with the weird second preference voting system, it's anyone's guess who will prevail :laugh:

[arista]

Yes around 2PM

Let's have the new leader

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Conservatives will want the Muslim Yousef to win as he will destroy the SNP. The nasty Greens also only want him to win.

[Oliver_W]

Aside from women's and trans issues, who is the least egregious?

[bots]

Yousef is the bookies favourite, but none of the polls are reflecting the SNP membership because that is a mystery known only to the SNP party

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aside from women's and trans issues, who is the least egregious?

Kate, by quite some margin

[Oliver_W]

Kate, by quite some margin

Based on what, broadly? All I've heard about any of them is woman/trans stuff :laugh:

[arista]

The Conservatives will want the Muslim Yousef to win as he will destroy the SNP. The nasty Greens also only want him to win.


Yes, they are wanting just him in power

[Crimson Dynamo]

Based on what, broadly? All I've heard about any of them is woman/trans stuff :laugh:

Only from Yousef not from Kate or Ash

Ash actually resigned over the self ID bill

[bots]

One of the reasons Nicky threw in the towel was that the party was completely fractured. It's worse now than labour or the tories have ever been. No leader taking over will be successful

[arista]

BBC1HD doing a special

The Bloody same will be on BBCnewsHD.

So 2 Channels covering SNP

[bots]

on now

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
GBnewsHD
Times Radio

2 BBC channels

[MTVN]

They're late

[arista]

They're late


Could be same amounts of votes for each
Then it goes to a 2nd round

[arista]

Live Now

[arista]

Yousaf Humza Has Won it,

[arista]

Conservative Party UK
Very happy

[bots]

LT will be happy

[arista]

Kate would have been better

[Crimson Dynamo]

The catastrophe begins...

[arista]

The catastrophe begins...


Yes
Ticking clock on his chance to leader

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its a good day for

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/153E3/production/_118111078_hi066852235.jpg

[MTVN]

Seems like a poor turnout on such an important vote. They've lost 30,000 declared members recently but perhaps even the current figure is an exaggeration

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/27/14/69160383-0-image-m-6_1679922716196.jpg

[bots]

What the voting means is that the large exodos of snp members comes from their traditional independence base, so, going forward, it's going to be pretty much a non starter

[arista]

Seems like a poor turnout on such an important vote. They've lost 30,000 declared members recently but perhaps even the current figure is an exaggeration



Yes SNP
corruption

[Crimson Dynamo]

He will be straight down to his local mosque next..

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsOpbJ6WwAErpni?format=jpg&name=medium

Get them telt Douglas

[joeysteele]

It was an absolutely dire choice of candidates.

Were these 3 REALLY the only 3 best the SNP could have as leader.

I think a bad day for the SNP with perhaps many more bad ones to come.

[Oliver_W]

Tokenism?

[bots]

i think a small majority of the snp membership are what could be described as progressive. The majority of Scottish people are anything but progressive. That's why Forbes was the most popular candidate across the entire Scottish demographic. Whichever way you look at it, this result is not good for the continued success of the SNP

[Crimson Dynamo]

The SNP has made a renewed demand for a general election after Rishi Sunak
was today crowned the latest leader of the Conservative party.

Ian Blackford, the Nationalist leader at Westminster, insisted the former
chancellor had "no mandate" from the public to take charge of the country.

https://wp.inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/PRI_220960348.jpg?resize=1200,900&strip=all&quality=90



what is he saying today?

[Crimson Dynamo]

K3X5ugz9yqg

[Cherie]

Just listened to his speech....he said colour and faith is not a barrier to success in politics depends on the faith I guess :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just listened to his speech....he said colour and faith is not a barrier to success in politics depends on the faith I guess :shrug:

people in media are too scared to call him on his cult religion for fear of blame but they tore into Kate as her religion did not invent a phobia based name to brand people with who dare to question them

[Crimson Dynamo]

rNjbkTuN4VM

[bots]

the SNP have shown how quickly a political party can implode. They are done. Not only is the new leader totally incompetent, but he is hugely arrogant too. The next scottish election can only be a year or 2 away, so it's a bust

[Gusto Brunt]

I can't understand this.

Everything I have read about this man has said he is absolutely useless.

So they pick the most useless person. WHY??????:shrug::shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't understand this.

Everything I have read about this man has said he is absolutely useless.

So they pick the most useless person. WHY??????:shrug::shrug:

woke

[Livia]

He said there are too many white people in the Scottish government. Racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He said there are too many white people in the Scottish government. Racist.

he is a very nasty racist

[Oliver_W]

But but but ... white people can't be racist, because they hold the positions of power!!!!111one

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a256cf90-f645-4085-9ec0-7333277f2524.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-006f5a32-44d3-4d27-b431-e035459276c4.jpeg

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Humza Yousaf’s SNP
SIR – Humza Yousaf’s victory in the contest to become the new leader of the
Scottish National Party is good news for the Union, but bad news for Rishi
Sunak.

A poorly led SNP will certainly set back the cause of independence, but it could
also leave many Left-wing voters in Scotland searching for a new home. If they
return to Labour they will give Sir Keir Starmer the MPs he needs for victory at
the general election.

John Hicks
Manchester

[Gusto Brunt]

Isn't the clown going to push through legislation that will give teenagers the right to change their gender without any real pressure from doctors to make sure it's the right decison.

And he's still going for this Scotland on its own farce. The guy has barely been in the job two minutes and he's already a disaster.

[Cherie]

Isn't the clown going to push through legislation that will give teenagers the right to change their gender without any real pressure from doctors to make sure it's the right decison.

And he's still going for this Scotland on its own farce. The guy has barely been in the job two minutes and he's already a disaster.

The same legislation that toppled Nicola .....not the best of moves

[bots]

Kate turned down a job offer so thats battle lines drawn

[Cherie]

Kate turned down a job offer so thats battle lines drawn

On his track record I am not surprised

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kate turned down a job offer so thats battle lines drawn

Kate Forbes is to leave the Scottish government after losing her bid to succeed
Nicola Sturgeon as Scotland's First Minister.

Ms Forbes was offered a position in the government of the party's new leader
Humza Yousaf but turned down the job, according to reports.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/28/kate-forbes-leave-scottish-government-snp-leadership-defeat/

[Cherie]

Kate Forbes is to leave the Scottish government after losing her bid to succeed
Nicola Sturgeon as Scotland's First Minister.

Ms Forbes was offered a position in the government of the party's new leader
Humza Yousaf but turned down the job, according to reports.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/28/kate-forbes-leave-scottish-government-snp-leadership-defeat/

He offered her a demotion from her current position as Finance Minster...his arrogance is astounding

[Crimson Dynamo]

He offered her a demotion from her current position as Finance Minster...his arrogance is astounding

I hope she teams up with Douglas Ross