Missing couple arrested but no sign of baby

[Cherie]

Couldn't find the thread on this, I am sure there is one though

Pair arrested in Brighton amid urgent operation to find infant born at time of disappearance in January

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/28/missing-couple-constance-marten-and-mark-gordon-arrested-search-for-baby-continues

[Niamh.]

It doesn't sound good for the baby really, does it?

[arista]

Couldn't find the thread on this, I am sure there is one though

Pair arrested in Brighton amid urgent operation to find infant born at time of disappearance in January

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/28/missing-couple-constance-marten-and-mark-gordon-arrested-search-for-baby-continues



Yes, why would they not say
where is the baby is?

[Cherie]

It doesn't sound good for the baby really, does it?

No unfortunately ...poor little mite was out in all weathers

[arista]

[They began living in a series of Airbnbs around
the country on short lets and amassed
a significant amount of cash
to enable them to live off-grid
and avoid the attention of the authorities.]


Can they charge the Rich Women Marten
with anything?

[Constance Marten grew up in the Dorset estate
of Crichel House. Her grandmother was a
playmate to Princess Margaret and
her father was once a page to Queen Elizabeth II.]

[Cherie]

[They began living in a series of Airbnbs around
the country on short lets and amassed
a significant amount of cash
to enable them to live off-grid
and avoid the attention of the authorities.]


Can they charge the Rich Women Marten
with anything?

[Constance Marten grew up in the Dorset estate
of Crichel House. Her grandmother was a
playmate to Princess Margaret and
her father was once a page to Queen Elizabeth II.]


They can charge then BOTH with child neglect and man slaughter assuming the baby has died....why would it just be the woman being charged?

[arista]

They can charge then BOTH with child neglect and man slaughter assuming the baby has died....why would it just be the woman being charged?



How can you prove the baby has Died?



He is the Criminal

She is a Lady from a Rich family

They can just say "No comment"

[bots]

they are both criminals

[arista]

they are both criminals

What can you charge her with?

[Constance Marten, 35,
is from a wealthy family and had a privileged upbringing,
attending private school and living in a
stately home in Dorset.

Police said she became estranged from her family
after meeting Gordon while a drama student in 2016.]

[arista]

[Mark Gordon, a registered sex offender,
was deported to Britain from the United States
in 2010 after spending 20 years in prison for
a rape he committed aged 14.]

[bots]

What can you charge her with?

[Constance Marten, 35,
is from a wealthy family and had a privileged upbringing,
attending private school and living in a
stately home in Dorset.

Police said she became estranged from her family
after meeting Gordon while a drama student in 2016.]

neglect at a minimum

[arista]

neglect at a minimum


But she can say someone else has the baby.

Not saying who.

[bots]

But she can say someone else has the baby.

Not saying who.

no she can't. The baby is her responsibility, she cannot say it is in someone elses care. She will go down for a long time for this. Wealth doesn't come into it

[Cherie]

How can you prove the baby has Died?



He is the Criminal

She is a Lady from a Rich family

They can just say "No comment"

well she gave birth, and now there is no baby and they are staying stum....I didnt say the baby HAD died I said 'assuming'

[Livia]

They're describing her as an aristocrat. Hadn't heard that before.... Although I'm not sure what difference it makes.

[Cherie]

They're describing her as an aristocrat. Hadn't heard that before.... Although I'm not sure what difference it makes.

Yeah it has been prominent in the reports and there was also a reward put up by the family

[arista]

well she gave birth, and now there is no baby and they are staying stum....I didnt say the baby HAD died I said 'assuming'


Yes, the Police are now searching places
but they have been all over the UK

[arista]

no she can't. The baby is her responsibility, she cannot say it is in someone elses care. She will go down for a long time for this. Wealth doesn't come into it


Yes Fair Points

[user104658]

But she can say someone else has the baby.

Not saying who.

You can charge with murder on a "missing presumed dead" basis, you don't need a body.

There have been incidents of people being locked up for murder and then the "victim" turning up alive years later :umm2:.

[Redway]

No unfortunately ...poor little mite was out in all weathers

Yup. Poor little lamb.

I don’t like talking about the Madeline McCan case (it’s been over-flogged to death and back over the past 16 years) but this story just sounds like a low-key repeat of that. At the least it sounds like gross neglect.

[Niamh.]

You can charge with murder on a "missing presumed dead" basis, you don't need a body.

There have been incidents of people being locked up for murder and then the "victim" turning up alive years later :umm2:.

With this one though as it's a baby, they can't just say they don't know where the baby is like you could with an adult

[user104658]

With this one though as it's a baby, they can't just say they don't know where the baby is like you could with an adult

Well no, but I was pointing out that even when it IS an adult it isn't always "enough" to say something like "Oh they left" or "I have no idea where they are", after enough time passes and someone is declared dead there can still be a murder investigation even with no body or concrete physical evidence that the person is dead.

Obviously with a baby there are even more considerations, they could be potentially charged with neglect even if they know exactly where the baby is and who they left it with.

Unfortunately I think it's more likely in this case that the baby is no longer alive. Either that or they sold it - which, unfortunately, I'm not even joking about... it happens. If that is the case you just have to hope it's an illegal adoption, but without nefarious intent for the child.

[hijaxers]

I'd be very surprised if this baby will be found alive and well sadly, very peased they've been found at long last,

[Beso]

So one rich women who's parents are connected to royalty gets in with a child rapist deported back to britain.Then a baby goes missing. Then the rich aristocrats put up a shut up reward says look at us, we care, we are offering an award, there has been no historical child abuse this side of the family


Honest.


Poor kid. Tibbs not the place to say what I thinks happened to it.

[arista]

Pink baby Ear Muffs
found. in Brighton

To be honest, how do they know those dumped ear muffs
were there's?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/28/17/68164595-11803503-A_pair_of_pink_child_s_earmuffs_us_collected_by_a_ police_officer-a-7_1677605060732.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/28/17/68165807-11803503-The_Metropolitan_Police_has_sent_scores_of_officer s_down_to_Brig-a-9_1677605060796.jpg
[The Metropolitan Police has
sent scores of officers down
to Brighton to help with the search]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/28/17/68157747-11803503-image-a-12_1677605060882.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11803503/Constance-Marten-Mark-Gordon-arrested-suspicion-gross-negligence-manslaughter.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/28/17/68165637-11803503-Search_teams_search_local_allotments_close_to_wher e_Constance_Ma-a-15_1677605060939.jpg

[Search teams search local Brighton allotments
close to where Constance Marten and Mark Gordon
have been sleeping rough after travelling
around the UK by taxi] (Using Cash)

[arista]

Police say they were spotted
withdrawing Cash in Brighton
by a member of the Public.

But did that person get the £10,000 Reward?

[Redway]

Pink baby Ear Muffs
found. in Brighton

To be honest, how do they know those dumped ear muffs
were there's?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/28/17/68164595-11803503-A_pair_of_pink_child_s_earmuffs_us_collected_by_a_ police_officer-a-7_1677605060732.jpg

This is like something out of season 2/3 Waterloo Road.

[UserSince2005]

Evil satanic ***** probably loved every second. Execute them.

[Alf]

Evil satanic ***** probably loved every second. Execute them.Don't be too hasty. First they have to be proven guilty. And if they did commit a crime like this then putting them in prison with prisoners who like to hand out their own justice to child murderers may be a better outcome. Especially in women's prison's, the maternal instincts of women see this crime as the ultimate for handing out justice. (I know that because I'm a Prisoner cell block H fan and Top dog Bea Smith always handed out justice for that crime)

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-7945be81-1c1e-4017-8f1d-3364e06195cf.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9c182a84-f588-4f83-b270-1b3bac92f384.png

[Alf]

If there is a God then I pray to God that the baby is found alive and well.

I know the chances of that arne't good.

[Mystic Mock]

This doesn't look good unfortunately.

[arista]

GBnewsHD
Live Reporters in Cold Brighton.
Mark White said the 2 arrested had lots of layers
on or so, they may have been sleeping in a tent.


GMBHD itv also Live in the same place,
their reporter
said Police are not ruling out they gave the
baby to some other person.

Something TS said

[Cherie]

Their silence is ominous

[Zizu]

Their silence is ominous


I bet they would have talked if they were in a few other countries..


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[Cherie]

I bet they would have talked if they were in a few other countries..


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If the baby was alive and out their alone surely one of them would have told the police where it is unless they are both equally evil

[AnnieK]

If the baby was alive and out their alone surely one of them would have told the police where it is unless they are both equally evil

They must be evil Cherie I believe

[Cherie]

They must be evil Cherie I believe

I think so too, we dont really know why they were on the run in the first place, what was the reason, some women sadly have children so their partners can abuse them I hope this is not the case here

[arista]

They must be evil Cherie I believe


Hang on Annie

Police have stated
they are not ruling out,
the Couple could have handed the 2-month-old baby
to someone else.


No one knows the truth at this time,
they are both "No comment"

They are wasting Police Time

[Cal.]

I think so too, we dont really know why they were on the run in the first place, what was the reason, some women sadly have children so their partners can abuse them I hope this is not the case here

Apparently they are both heroin addicts and had their first child removed from their care due to neglect so decided to go off grid when she fell pregnant again to prevent that happening again. Seen someone suggest they could have been so high they’ve forgotten what happened to their baby or where they left him/her.

[Cherie]

Apparently they are both heroin addicts and had their first child removed from their care due to neglect so decided to go off grid when she fell pregnant again to prevent that happening again. Seen someone suggest they could have been so high they’ve forgotten what happened to their baby or where they left him/her.

Oh I see, that is very sad, I hope in that case they have given the baby to someone they trust

Lovely to see you Cal :love:

[user104658]

Again - it's a genuine possibility that they sold the baby in an illegal adoption. That could either be to someone planning abuse (unthinkable) or to people who have been unable to adopt legitimately and were willing to do it by other means. It happens a lot more than is ever recorded. People sell babies without anyone ever knowing they were pregnant.

The latter is really the best case scenario here so we can hope for that. I think it's possible that no trace will ever be found and unless one of them talks, we'll never actually know.

[Zizu]

Again - it's a genuine possibility that they sold the baby in an illegal adoption. That could either be to someone planning abuse (unthinkable) or to people who have been unable to adopt legitimately and were willing to do it by other means. It happens a lot more than is ever recorded. People sell babies without anyone ever knowing they were pregnant.

The latter is really the best case scenario here so we can hope for that. I think it's possible that no trace will ever be found and unless one of them talks, we'll never actually know.


Reports suggest that the couple had access to loads of cash , though


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[arista]

Reports suggest that the couple had access to loads of cash , though



Yes her account,
spotted by a member of the public
as they took cash out of an ATM
in a near street.


Getting taxi drivers
happy to take real cash

[arista]

"I think it's possible that no trace will ever be found
and unless one of them talks, we'll never actually know."


Yes TS
how can they charge them
with NO Proof

[Zizu]

"I think it's possible that no trace will ever be found
and unless one of them talks, we'll never actually know."


Yes TS
how can they charge them
with NO Proof


Put them in a room with this guy for ten minutes and we’ll see how quiet they are

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230301/8d3001a477ef05cbb4a665883f66fa9f.jpg


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[arista]

Police have extended
their time to be question
36 hours.

Live Conference All Media


They are using drones


No questions from the Press
permitted.

[bots]

throw away the key

[arista]

[ 7m ago 14:36
Police seek to detain baby's
parents for an extra 36 hours

Detective Superintendent
Lewis Basford says Marten and Gordon
remain in police custody - and an application
to extend their detention for a
further 36 hours has been made to the courts.]


https://news.sky.com/story/missing-baby-search-live-updates-police-to-give-update-on-hunt-for-child-of-couple-arrested-on-suspicion-of-manslaughter-12822949

[Zizu]

I have never understood this fixation/law of being able to only hold serious / dangerous suspects for just 12 / 24 hours and then anxiously fighting to get 24 hour extensions ..

Just lock the suspects up until the police have completed their enquiries


Just seems common sense


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[bots]

I have never understood this fixation/law of being able to only hold serious / dangerous suspects for just 12 / 24 hours and then anxiously fighting to get 24 hour extensions ..

Just lock the suspects up until the police have completed their enquiries


Just seems common sense


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Andrew Tate begs to differ

[Cherie]

Again - it's a genuine possibility that they sold the baby in an illegal adoption. That could either be to someone planning abuse (unthinkable) or to people who have been unable to adopt legitimately and were willing to do it by other means. It happens a lot more than is ever recorded. People sell babies without anyone ever knowing they were pregnant.

The latter is really the best case scenario here so we can hope for that. I think it's possible that no trace will ever be found and unless one of them talks, we'll never actually know.

There is no shortage of money though ...think the baby died due to neglect sadly

[Zizu]

Andrew Tate begs to differ


No idea who that is and I care even less tbh


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[Cherie]

A baby blanket has been found

Police who are searching for the missing newborn of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon have found what is thought to be a baby blanket in the woods. Pictures from the scene in Brighton, East Sussex, show clothes strewn across the ground as police inspected what looked like burnt items. Marten and Gordon are currently being held in custody after being arrested on Monday, February 27. Their baby was just days old when they vanished on January 5.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/baby-blanket-found-in-search-for-missing-baby-of-constance-marten-and-mark-gordon/ar-AA185lJc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b6b8592464e04ccfb090c6d19ac92690&ei=10

[arista]

Police have found the remains of a Baby


They will not take Questions


SkyNewsHD Live

[Cherie]

Terrible news get them done for manslaughter

[bots]

evil

[arista]

In the Woods

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/01/17/68223297-0-image-a-2_1677692073464.jpg

[bots]

the police did extraordinarily well finding the body

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/01/17/68223305-11808717-image-a-4_1677692089326.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/01/19/68226307-0-image-m-2_1677697435092.jpg

[Niamh.]

Poor thing [emoji22]

[Vanessa]

Poor little mite :sad:

[AnnieK]

Inevitable but heartbreaking :sad:

[GoldHeart]

Horrible
The poor baby didn't have a chance
R.I.P.

[Kazanne]

Cant even begin to imagine what that poor baby went through, poor little soul. RIP. Lock them up and throw away the key.

[hijaxers]

Cant even begin to imagine what that poor baby went through, poor little soul. RIP. Lock them up and throw away the key.

Yes such a short awful life , think we all hoped for a better outcome but knew in our hearts this poor litttle baby had no chance with such uncaring parents.They could have turned themselves in and got immediate care for their child ~ but chose not too. Yes Kaz throw away the key.

[Mystic Mock]

No idea who that is and I care even less tbh


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Let's just say that if the allegations against him are true, he is a danger to women.

[Mystic Mock]

Absolutely terrible.

But sadly I had a feeling.

[LaLaLand]

Jesus this is awful. That poor little child. :sad:

[thesheriff443]

Unfortunately that baby will not get the justice it deserves,
Why?
You only have to look at all the previous cases to realise there is no justice.

[Zizu]

Unfortunately that baby will not get the justice it deserves,
Why?
You only have to look at all the previous cases to realise there is no justice.


Yeah , I’m already dreading their sentence length .


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[bots]

A couple were just jailed for a similar offence and they got 7 years, probably out in 3

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64803863

[Cherie]

I don't know why they would go to such lengths to keep the baby just to let it die, such an avoidable outcome

[Zizu]

A couple were just jailed for a similar offence and they got 7 years, probably out in 3

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64803863


That is an horrendously low sentence


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[GoldHeart]

I don't know why they would go to such lengths to keep the baby just to let it die, such an avoidable outcome

It's evil ,and they clearly didn't care about the baby .

[arista]

Police Live in Brighton

Now


They still do not know
what sex that 2 old month baby is ?????


Again - NO Questions

Very Brief,

[hijaxers]

Apparently the baby appeared to have been dead for weeks.

[Zizu]

Apparently the baby appeared to have been dead for weeks.


I wonder why they stayed in the area and didn’t flit the country or something..


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[Cherie]

Apparently the baby appeared to have been dead for weeks.

I wonder if it had been burned?

[Cal.]

Awful news.

Poor child. Let down in the most horrendous way by the selfish and abhorrent actions of their parents.

[arista]

I wonder if it had been burned?


No
I think it was just left in real cold weather.

[Cal.]

I don't know why they would go to such lengths to keep the baby just to let it die, such an avoidable outcome

This is what I don’t understand either. Allegedly their first child was removed from their care (and quite rightly so) so you’d think from experience they’d realise they weren’t capable parents. But allegedly they are both addicts so I suppose logical thinking cannot be applied to the case.

[arista]

The Couple have been Charged
by the Police.

All Media.

[hijaxers]

The Couple have been Charged
by the Police.

All Media.



Good ~ complete pair of bastards and no one anywhere will have an ounce of sympathy for either of them.

[Zizu]

Good ~ complete pair of bastards and no one anywhere will have an ounce of sympathy for either of them.


Apart from the judge …


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[arista]

The Couple appeared
in Crawley Court
this morning.

[Charged with Gross Negligence /Manslaughter
after baby's remains found in Brighton]

All media


https://news.sky.com/story/constance-marten-and-mark-gordon-charged-with-gross-negligence-manslaughter-after-babys-remains-found-in-brighton-12822294

[bots]

the baby was found in the allotment where they were staying, in a bag under some nappies :bawling:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/03/18/68313091-0-image-m-1_1677867647484.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11815725/Runaway-aristocrat-Constance-Marten-boyfriend-appear-court-today.html

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The Daily Mail focuses on the
beginning of the trial of a couple accused
of the manslaughter of their
newborn daughter.
The Old Bailey heard Constance Marten
and Mark Gordon went on the run
with their daughter, Victoria, last winter.
The tabloid says the baby's body
was found in a Lidl shopping bag,
covered in rubbish.
The couple deny the charges.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4801/production/_132433481_page1_page-0001-2.jpg.webp

[Kazanne]

BBC News Text:
[The Daily Mail focuses on the
beginning of the trial of a couple accused
of the manslaughter of their
newborn daughter.
The Old Bailey heard Constance Marten
and Mark Gordon went on the run
with their daughter, Victoria, last winter.
The tabloid says the baby's body
was found in a Lidl shopping bag,
covered in rubbish.
The couple deny the charges.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4801/production/_132433481_page1_page-0001-2.jpg.webp

Fookers !!!! ,need the key throwing away,that poor little baby.

[arista]

Yes Evil.

[Cherie]

This was their 5th baby :skull:

[Gusto Brunt]

This was their 5th baby :skull:

Two very evil people.

[arista]

What a Utter Mess


Constance Marten and Mark Gordon jury discharged

[arista]

[Old Bailey jury has been discharged
in the case of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon
after being unable to reach verdicts.

Ms Marten, 37, and Mr Gordon, 50,
denied manslaughter by gross negligence
of their newborn baby Victoria,
whose body was found inside
a shopping bag in a shed in
Brighton on 1 March 2023.

The jury heard pathologists had
been unable to establish how Victoria
had died because her body was so
badly decomposed.

The prosecution will now have
to consider whether to seek a retrial.

The trial began almost five months ago on
25 January and the jury of five women and
five men spent 72 hours and 33
minutes deliberating.

On Wednesday, the Judge Mark Lucraft KC thanked
jurors for their "extraordinary" public service
and the "dedication" they have shown in the case.

The judge said he was conscious the
jurors had put their lives on hold for the trial
and excused them from jury service for
the rest of their lives.

A high-risk missing persons manhunt had been
launched for the couple and their baby on
5 January 2023, after a car they had been
travelling in was discovered on fire on
the M61 near Bolton.

The couple were eventually found in
Brighton on 27 February 2023,
two days before Victoria's body was discovered.

As well as denying the charge of
manslaughter by gross negligence,
the couple denied four other charges:
concealment of the baby's birth;
child cruelty;
causing or allowing her death;
and perverting the course of
justice by concealing the body.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq55x87nqnzo

[arista]

Fookers !!!! ,need the key throwing away,that poor little baby.


Yes but the Jury could not agree
sent home.

The case is a mess

[smudgie]

If ever there was a case for sterilisation…this must be it.

[Zizu]

If ever there was a case for sterilisation…this must be it.


Generous


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[arista]

Now a Retrial
but next year?

Was just on SkyNewsHD


[Constance Marten and partner found guilty
of concealing birth of a child]


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/26/constance-marten-mark-gordon-guilty-concealing-birth-child/

26 June 2024 • 12:20pm

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-65314abf-7220-44a1-b465-d1e9e0ca46c8.png

[Mystic Mock]

And keep them locked up I say.

[arista]

They are back in Court
this week.


[Constance Marten tells court
'we did everything we could' to protect baby

Aristocrat Constance Marten said she and her partner
went on the run to prevent their baby, Victoria,
from being taken away from them.]


She says all her other kids were taken away from
her.

Sadly,
her baby was found dead in a carry bag.


https://news.sky.com/story/constance-marten-tells-court-we-did-everything-we-could-to-protect-baby-13354894

[arista]

Both Found Guilty

[It has been 866 days since the remains
of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon's
baby daughter Victoria were discovered at
an allotment site near Brighton in a
Lidl carrier bag.

Pathologists are still not sure exactly
how she died - but today a jury decided
that what ultimately led to her death
was her parents' decision to go on the
run with her, sleeping in a tent during
freezing winter nights.

Both were convicted of manslaughter
by gross negligence after jurors returned
unanimous verdicts.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yk23vpk91t

[arista]

The Online Paper Only


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gv2ZyonWYAAl8pV?format=jpg&name=small

[Kate!]

Terribly sad for the innocent sweet baby Victoria. RIP angel. God bless.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gv3lVlOWQAAJOCq?format=jpg&name=large

[Mystic Mock]

The Online Paper Only


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gv2ZyonWYAAl8pV?format=jpg&name=small

So the dude was also a rapist, and this woman still had a relationship with him?

What a couple?:umm2:

The baby never stood a chance unfortunately.

[arista]

So the dude was also a rapist, and this woman still had a relationship with him?

What a couple?:umm2:

The baby never stood a chance unfortunately.


Sadly True.

[arista]

Old Bailey Live on TV News

The Couple is in Court for the sentence.

[arista]

Mark Gordon gets 18 years in prison
(4 years will be under Licence)
So he will have 14 years in Prison


Constance gets 14 years

[arista]

Total Neglect of the baby.