Drag Queen discusses anal sex with 11 year olds in sex education class

[Cherie]

Just when you think you've seen it all. Apparently the Department for Education has been contacted for comment:

Drag queen ‘teaches 11-year-olds about anal sex and tells them there are 73 genders’

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/27/drag-queen-teaches-11-year-olds-anal-sex-tells-73-genders/

"Sex education has been suspended in Isle of Man schools after a drag queen allegedly told 11-year-olds that there are 73 genders.
The Isle of Man government has launched an independent review of its personal, social, health and economic (PSHE) curriculum after parents raised the alarmm_ about the “graphic, disproportionate, indecent presentation” of sexual acts and different gender identities understood to have been taught in lessons.
Parents of pupils at Queen Elizabeth II High School in Peel, on the Isle of Man, have reported that Year 7 pupils were taught by a drag queenn_ who told them there are 73 genders.
When one “upset” child responded and said “there’s only two”, the drag queen allegedly responded “you’ve upset me” and made the pupil leave the class.
Some 11-year-olds at the school were taught about oral and anal sex, while another group learned about sex change operations and were shown how skin graft taken from a girl’s arm could be used on an artificial penis, according to reports.
“A lot of children are just too traumatised to even talk to their parents," Eliza Cox, vice-chairman of Marown Commissioners, told Energy FM Isle of Man. “As a parent, you don’t know what children are being taught.”
She said that one teacher on the island had told her she had to teach a group of boys and girls in Years 7 and 8 how to masturbate. Another teacher was said to be so uncomfortable with the content of the PSHE curriculum that they told pupils: “Please don’t listen to me” while they taught the lesson.

[Cherie]

I don’t understand the current obsession with bringing drag Queens into everything ...unless this person is a qualified teacher why are they taking the class ..:conf2:

[Oliver_W]

I've said it before but bringing in drag queens to teach children about LGBT acceptance isa akin to using strippers to talk about feminism.

[Niamh.]

I've said it before but bringing in drag queens to teach children about LGBT acceptance isa akin to using strippers to talk about feminism.

Yep.

[GoldHeart]

And they wonder why people say this is child abuse & indoctrination , this is gross .....why does it keep happening. Society has well and truly lost the plot.

They wouldn't get sex workers in to talk about menstrual cycles, and sexual positions....so how is this ok?!?. It sounds like grooming!.

[Livia]

Do parents know what their children are being taught and by whom?

Heads needs to roll for this and jobs need to be lost.

[arista]

Something is Very Wrong
11 year olds are too young

[bots]

the world is passed redemption now

[Livia]

This country is past redemption. White Brits are not worth as much as Muslims otherwise why all the cover-ups? Young girls raped.... Young men threatened with death for dropping a book... Ahhh let's not upset the Muslims.

[Cherie]

A caller to LBC was adamant that the child had not been sent out of the class for saying there were only 2 genders but due to the way the child said it....despite not being there

Mystic Meg in the house

[rusticgal]

I actually feel for the young children of today....I really really do.

[Zizu]

I actually feel for the young children of today....I really really do.


Our high school covers things like FBI and FGM ( Google them ) and topics like the death penalty and the Jamie Bulged case ..

All in RE. !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

why are these gay men dressed up as sexualized women constantly wanting to get to children?

[user104658]

I've found a pretty vital aspect of parenting these days is prepping kids for what they're going to hear elsewhere in a less explicit/more nuanced form before they hear about it from school or peers. It's becoming inevitable that they'll hear about things younger and younger and the last thing you want is them being "caught off guard", so to speak.

[Niamh.]

I've found a pretty vital aspect of parenting these days is prepping kids for what they're going to hear elsewhere in a less explicit/more nuanced form before they hear about it from school or peers. It's becoming inevitable that they'll hear about things younger and younger and the last thing you want is them being "caught off guard", so to speak.

It's a shame you have to do that and take away their innocence even earlier.

[Cherie]

It's a shame you have to do that and take away their innocence even earlier.

Yes its pretty horrible, they grow up fast enough as it is

[user104658]

It's a shame you have to do that and take away their innocence even earlier.

It is, but unfortunately the alternative is some other kids inevitably bringing stuff up on their phones etc. and showing it around... I think far more shocking for kids who haven't had any "chats" at all and are caught completely off guard with no context at all for what they're looking at.

[Niamh.]

It is, but unfortunately the alternative is some other kids inevitably bringing stuff up on their phones etc. and showing it around... I think far more shocking for kids who haven't had any "chats" at all and are caught completely off guard with no context at all for what they're looking at.

Oh yeah I understand why you have to do it, it's just a shame it's become necessary to do it is all

[Oliver_W]

It is, but unfortunately the alternative is some other kids inevitably bringing stuff up on their phones etc. and showing it around... I think far more shocking for kids who haven't had any "chats" at all and are caught completely off guard with no context at all for what they're looking at.

More kids should be told about what grooming looks and sounds like tbh

Too many creepers out there, in some cases being enabled..

[GoldHeart]

It's a shame you have to do that and take away their innocence even earlier.

It seems there's no filter or protection of kids anymore, now the attitude seems to be 'oh well they're accessing porn at 9 oh well ' . When in reality kids should be taught age appropriate lessons, regardless of what they're accessing on their phones or watching on TV.

These 'sex education lessons ' sound like grooming , and why is it suddenly ok when it's blokes dressed in makeup and wigs ? . Like I said female sex workers wouldn't be allowed to teach kids their adult ideology ,so why are these drag queens allowed to manipulate and teach these kids inappropriate vulgar stuff !? .

It's honestly gone so far at this point that I have zero hope for society. Get me off this planet.

[user104658]

More kids should be told about what grooming looks and sounds like tbh

Too many creepers out there, in some cases being enabled..

We went with the nuclear option on that one - when encountering people you've never actually met online, no matter what they say or send as proof, automatically assume it's a paedophile :joker:.

I would say, I don't think we've ever had an incident of an ADULT trying to talk to our eldest (14, and she does spend a fair bit of time online) BUT there have been an alarming number of older teens (17+) who will initially be like "Uh oh didn't realise you were only __!!" and disappear... only to come crawling back out the woodwork a few weeks later having "had a think" :yuk: :idc:

I find it quite horrifying the number of friends she has whose parents have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what is happening in their teenagers' lives, either online of offline, and seem to have no real interest either. We often joke with her that she's surrogate parenting about 10 of her pals :joker: ... but it's honestly true.

A friend of hers (15 year old lad who lives next door, camp little chap with dog-rough parents) recently said to her when she asked about his day when they were on the school bus ... that she's the only person who consistently asks how his day at school was. Bloody heart-breaking :bawling:.

[Parmy]

The paedos have taken over. The ones in power have used the LGBTQ and there belief that they wernt accepted in society. Load of tosh that, I've never heard of any homosexuals getting abuse in my town in my 50 plus years. We all hear about the attacks on gays, but people get attacked for all sorts when out on nights out.

The peodles in power jumped on the gender issues, they started making up acceptable terms for their sort. Minor attracted persons...wtf, your a ****ing paedophile, end off.. what's the latest one.. adult attracted minor..is now supposed to be an acceptable thing in society. More acceptance for adult child relationships seems to be the peodles in charge plans.

This sick ****er who thinks it's ok to talk about anal sex to kids, and all the sick ****ers allowing this to happen need lined up and shot.

[Cherie]

They have aligned themselves with the gay community for acceptance much like perverts and rapists are now claiming to be trans women and the worst part is the LGBT community are just accepting it and pushing back again anyone that raises it as an issue

[Parmy]

I've found a pretty vital aspect of parenting these days is prepping kids for what they're going to hear elsewhere in a less explicit/more nuanced form before they hear about it from school or peers. It's becoming inevitable that they'll hear about things younger and younger and the last thing you want is them being "caught off guard", so to speak.

No self respecting father is going to sit his 11yr old daughter down and talk her through anal sex. So why should some pimped up homosexual stranger be doing it?

[Parmy]

They have aligned themselves with the gay community for acceptance much like perverts and rapists are now claiming to be trans women and the worst part is the LGBT community are just accepting it and pushing back again anyone that raises it as an issue

They are nothing but a bunch of facists. Weirdly calling anyone against it a fascist at the same time.

[Parmy]

Just remeber that we are now living in a society where your kids can't dress up as an indian for a game of cowboys and Indians, but a grown man can dress up as a tart and read to them

[Glenn.]

Can see the same member once again comparing members of LGBT to peadophiles.


Not quite sure why peadophiles have to do with anything mentioned in here.

[Oliver_W]

Can see the same member once again comparing members of LGBT to peadophiles.


Not quite sure why peadophiles have to do with anything mentioned in here.

Did that member refer to LGBT as a whole, or an individual/s?

[Glenn.]

Did that member refer to LGBT as a whole, or an individual/s?

It’s done it as a whole before.

[GoldHeart]

It’s done it as a whole before.

Glenn do you think it's ok what these drag Queens are doing? .

[Glenn.]

Glenn do you think it's ok what these drag Queens are doing? .

Where did I say I did? I’m not the one calling them paedohiles though. I’m not a gammon

[user104658]

To be fair, whilst I don't agree that paedophiles HAVE effectively hijacked LGBTQ rhetoric to normalise paedophilia (that they have "taken over") it is certainly true that as an... erm... "community", people seeking to normalise paedophilia, age-play and the concept of "consenting minors" have regularly made attempts to legitimise themselves as a marginalised community by hijacking Queer Theory and identity politics.

As always -- this has nothing to do with the vast, VAST majority of the LGBT community and really they should be more concerned about it than anyone else, and stamping it out like a spark on dry wood.

[GoldHeart]

Where did I say I did? I’m not the one calling them paedohiles though. I’m not a gammon

I just find it weird & concerning how there isn't more push back on this type of grooming, aren't you worried it's making the LGBTQ community look worse? . Instead you throw the word 'gammon' around which doesn't help .

[Glenn.]

I just find it weird & concerning how there isn't more push back on this time of grooming, aren't you worried it's making the LGBTQ community look worse? . Instead you throw the word 'gammon' around which doesn't help .

No because I’m not an idiot. What is it exactly that has these gammons scared? What’s grooming got to do with it?

[Glenn.]

Just remeber that we are now living in a society where your kids can't dress up as an indian for a game of cowboys and Indians, but a grown man can dress up as a tart and read to them

There’s a reason why cowboys and Indians is offensive though isn’t there? You may as well let kids play nazis and Jews.

[GoldHeart]

No because I’m not an idiot. What is it exactly that has these gammons scared? What’s grooming got to do with it?

A grown man teaching 11 year old kids graphic sex & about gender ideology is not grooming?? :umm2: . With or without the wig & makeup , it's still a unqualified weirdo pretending to be a sex ed teacher .

Like I said schools wouldn't allow prostitutes or stripper's in to teach all this ,so why is a man in a wig and dress allowed to ?.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A grown man teaching 11 year old kids graphic sex & about gender ideology is not grooming?? :umm2: . With or without the wig & makeup , it's still a unqualified weirdo pretending to be a sex ed teacher .

Like I said schools wouldn't allow prostitutes or stripper's in to teach all this ,so why is a man in a wig and dress allowed to ?.

and why does he want to?

[GoldHeart]

and why does he want to?

That's why unfortunately.... I think there's bad disturbing intentions behind it .

[bots]

what are you going to do today dear? I'm just popping down to the school to talk to some 11 year olds about anal sex .... yep, all perfectly normal

[Glenn.]

That's why unfortunately.... I think there's bad disturbing intentions behind it .

You think he’s a peadophile?

[user104658]

You think he’s a peadophile?

I mean, IF an unqualified childless adult male is volunteering to talk to young children about graphic sex acts, that is an absolutely massive red flag.

I did put a big "if" there because, of course, you need to take any tabloid news reporting of events with a rather large pinch of salt.

But "as reported" I don't think it's controversial to say that someone with an active desire to talk to 11 year olds about sex, unless it's part of their actual job (say as a sexual health professional or a teacher) should be kept far away from kids. Safeguarding nightmare.

[GoldHeart]

You think he’s a peadophile?

It's groomer behaviour ,I don't know anything about his background. But you have to admit this is FAR from normal behaviour. Especially when it's kids this young aswell.

I don't like the attitude of ' oh well kids are viewing explicit stuff on their phones anyway' ,it doesn't make it right does it now !? . And parents need to be aware of what their children are actually being taught.

[Mystic Mock]

I've said it before but bringing in drag queens to teach children about LGBT acceptance isa akin to using strippers to talk about feminism.

The strippers part doesn't sound too bad.:hehe:

But seriously why would anyone discuss anal sex with an 11 year old really intimately? Speaking for myself but I didn't really know the details about anal sex properly until about 14 years old.

[Livia]

There’s a reason why cowboys and Indians is offensive though isn’t there? You may as well let kids play nazis and Jews.

The fact that you think this is an intelligent analogy is hilarious.

[user104658]

Kids playing Nazis and Allies is very much a thing -- it's just instead of plastic guns and hats, it's online and called "Call of Duty" :think:.

[Glenn.]

The fact that you think this is an intelligent analogy is hilarious.

Did the cowboys not kill the Indians then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did the cowboys not kill the Indians then?

Calling indigenous people "Indians" is a hate crime

:umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

I just find it weird & concerning how there isn't more push back on this type of grooming, aren't you worried it's making the LGBTQ community look worse? . Instead you throw the word 'gammon' around which doesn't help .

Tbf it's the Government that needs to do something about how Paedophilia is getting normalized, and it really is to some extent.

I mean Netflix got away with making that Cuties Film which sounds like CP to anyone who is against that community.

Imo the LGBTQ community has nothing to do with Paedophiles, and I definitely like to think that most of them are obviously against these disgusting creatures that we call Paedophiles as well.

[GoldHeart]

Also is it not manipulation to expect a child to agree to 70 genders?!?? ,and when they don't go along with the narrative...you make the child feel bad ??. Classic unhealthy reaction.

[Glenn.]

Calling indigenous people "Indians" is a hate crime

:umm2:

So is calling lgbt people peadophiles

[Oliver_W]

Did the cowboys not kill the Indians then?

The Natives also killed other Natives. Some Natives killed some cowboys.

Comparing it to Jews and Nazis is ridiculous.

[Liam-]

Tbf it's the Government that needs to do something about how Paedophilia is getting normalized, and it really is to some extent.

I mean Netflix got away with making that Cuties Film which sounds like CP to anyone who is against that community.

Imo the LGBTQ community has nothing to do with Paedophiles, and I definitely like to think that most of them are obviously against these disgusting creatures that we call Paedophiles as well.

Well that’s the truth of it all really, but some people are determined to make the community look as dangerous as possible so they can forge ahead with taking our rights away under the guise of ‘protecting the public’ experts have been warning that this has been happening for years but nobody was bothered to listen, now it’s happening, normally rational people are starting to go along with the twisted notion because they’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed, I genuinely believe it won’t be long until there are some calls for laws to prohibit gayness in some forms and people will go run with it because they’ve been scared into allowing bigotry to be normalised again

[Glenn.]

The Natives also killed other Natives. Some Natives killed some cowboys.

Comparing it to Jews and Nazis is ridiculous.

Comparatively speaking the cowboys killed a lot more though no

[user104658]

Tbf it's the Government that needs to do something about how Paedophilia is getting normalized, and it really is to some extent.

I mean Netflix got away with making that Cuties Film which sounds like CP to anyone who is against that community.

Imo the LGBTQ community has nothing to do with Paedophiles, and I definitely like to think that most of them are obviously against these disgusting creatures that we call Paedophiles as well.

Ummmmm the LGBT community has nothing to do with paedophilia, and the Q is obviously not synonymous with paedophilia, but to suggest that the attempt to normalise paedophilia/age play/minor attraction as legitimate sexuality is not linked to Queer Theory (the Q) is just incorrect, sociologically speaking. The ideology of Queer Theory is fundamentally built into their argument (and frankly, hard to deny as a legitimate argument whilst still wholly accepting Queer Theory) and not only that but the origins of Queer Theory are a little... or more than a little... murky as well. Post-structuralism in general is a safeguarding minefield and a paedophile's dream.

[Mystic Mock]

Also is it not manipulation to expect a child to agree to 70 genders?!?? ,and when they don't go along with the narrative...you make the child feel bad ??. Classic unhealthy reaction.

Oh the Teacher in that moment proved that they aren't fit to teach.

[GoldHeart]

Tbf it's the Government that needs to do something about how Paedophilia is getting normalized, and it really is to some extent.

I mean Netflix got away with making that Cuties Film which sounds like CP to anyone who is against that community.

Imo the LGBTQ community has nothing to do with Paedophiles, and I definitely like to think that most of them are obviously against these disgusting creatures that we call Paedophiles as well.

I don't think the government will do anything, it will probably take a vile abuse incident for it to be taken seriously. It seems only when things get further out of hand that something is done or investigated . It's like with knife crime ,how many more deaths before it's actually tackled more .

Well when anyone tries to call out this behaviour as disgusting or gross , we seem to go off topic ...and the issue doesn't get addressed properly from everyone.

[Oliver_W]

Comparatively speaking the cowboys killed a lot more though no
I have no idea, I haven't seen any statistics, I wouldn't make a claim either way.

I would make a tentative guess that inter-tribe warfare (Natives killing Natives) claimed a lot more lives than "Cowboys versus Indians"

So is calling lgbt people peadophiles
Some LGBT people are paedophiles, unfortunately. I've not seen any posts on here suggesting that LGBT people in general are more likely to be paedos.

[Parmy]

It’s done it as a whole before.

I prefer he, but If you want to be more like jordon then knock yourself out.

[Parmy]

To be fair, whilst I don't agree that paedophiles HAVE effectively hijacked LGBTQ rhetoric to normalise paedophilia (that they have "taken over") it is certainly true that as an... erm... "community", people seeking to normalise paedophilia, age-play and the concept of "consenting minors" have regularly made attempts to legitimise themselves as a marginalised community by hijacking Queer Theory and identity politics.

As always -- this has nothing to do with the vast, VAST majority of the LGBT community and really they should be more concerned about it than anyone else, and stamping it out like a spark on dry wood.



Therss one who likes to draw cuddly teddy's in diapers because it turns them on that's going to be giving a speech on equality and acceptance this weekend.

Perhaps a prelude to Andrew's during the kings coronation!

[GoldHeart]

Oh the Teacher in that moment proved that they aren't fit to teach.

Exactly
Another problem aswell is these deluded schools allowing this in the first place .

[user104658]

I genuinely believe it won’t be long until there are some calls for laws to prohibit gayness in some forms and people will go run with it because they’ve been scared into allowing bigotry to be normalised again

Unfortunately I actually agree with you but as always, I think the idea that it's only the "scared hets" who have been dumb enough to allow themselves to be duped into this is naive and short-sighted. The harder edge of LGBTQ dogma and activism has been played like a fiddle to play into its own self-destruction.

It's horrifying and terrifying - I'm not making light of this at all. My eldest daughter is gay and her life will be harder because this has been allowed to happen. It won't stop there though. My youngest is life-long special needs and the same rhetoric, as always, will be used to harm her rights as well.

But I blame every single dogmatic idiot who cried outrage and refused to allow careful and rational progress no matter which flag they're marching under. You all ****ing did this.

[Glenn.]

I have no idea, I haven't seen any statistics, I wouldn't make a claim either way.

I would make a tentative guess that inter-tribe warfare (Natives killing Natives) claimed a lot more lives than "Cowboys versus Indians"


Some LGBT people are paedophiles, unfortunately. I've not seen any posts on here suggesting that LGBT people in general are more likely to be paedos.

Just read it’s backlog of posts. The ones that haven’t even deleted for implying gay people are peadophiles.

[Parmy]

There’s a reason why cowboys and Indians is offensive though isn’t there? You may as well let kids play nazis and Jews.

Hello my little Angel's, my names bob. But today I'm going to be Bertha and teach you all about the joys of anal sex..


Are you backing this or not glenn?

[Mystic Mock]

Ummmmm the LGBT community has nothing to do with paedophilia, and the Q is obviously not synonymous with paedophilia, but to suggest that the attempt to normalise paedophilia/age play/minor attraction as legitimate sexuality is not linked to Queer Theory (the Q) is just incorrect, sociologically speaking. The ideology of Queer Theory is fundamentally built into their argument (and frankly, hard to deny as a legitimate argument whilst still wholly accepting Queer Theory) and not only that but the origins of Queer Theory are a little... or more than a little... murky as well. Post-structuralism in general is a safeguarding minefield and a paedophile's dream.

Even if Paedophiles are trying tactics to infiltrate the LGBT community, I honestly believe that as it stands that it won't work.

What is working though is Paedophiles being in high up positions within the Government and other important professions in the country, it explains why normalizing Paedophilia is becoming more common.

[arista]

So is calling lgbt people peadophiles


No, only some of them.

[Parmy]

Tbf it's the Government that needs to do something about how Paedophilia is getting normalized, and it really is to some extent.

I mean Netflix got away with making that Cuties Film which sounds like CP to anyone who is against that community.

Imo the LGBTQ community has nothing to do with Paedophiles, and I definitely like to think that most of them are obviously against these disgusting creatures that we call Paedophiles as well.

They would rather be a paedo than a fascist.

That's what they sing these days.

[Glenn.]

The most hilarious part is that this story isn’t even verified to have even happened yet.

[GoldHeart]

Even if Paedophiles are trying tactics to infiltrate the LGBT community, I honestly believe that as it stands that it won't work.

What is working though is Paedophiles being in high up positions within the Government and other important professions in the country, it explains why normalizing Paedophilia is becoming more common.

It's the bizarre era we now live in where we can't question this , why is it ok for a man to dress up and push these boundaries with little kids under the guise of ' sex education '. If someone else tried this ....it would be seen as wrong immediately surely??.

But I agree that schools & the government need to stop enabling this .

[Parmy]

Also is it not manipulation to expect a child to agree to 70 genders?!?? ,and when they don't go along with the narrative...you make the child feel bad ??. Classic unhealthy reaction.

Classic old school care home behaviour.

[GoldHeart]

The most hilarious part is that this story isn’t even verified to have even happened yet.

When it is verified to have happened,then what will your thoughts be ? .

[Liam-]

I notice there are never conversations about punishing other parts of society when people do dodgy things, teachers sleep with a student? Never a conversation about banning women from teaching to help protect children from it ever happening again, no conversation about restricting straight men’s rights, from doing things whenever one of them attacks or abuses someone, societal punishment is always aimed at the already targeted groups because they’re the easiest targets to strike fear into the ‘normal’ peoples heads, it’s so bloody transparent and frankly, as a gay man, terrifying to see the road society is going down, we’ll be back under section 28 before long, we’ll be banned from doing certain jobs and the people who are happy for it to be currently the aim to happen to trans people, will pretend to be sympathetic while they played a massive part in allowing the advancement of these wild theories

[Glenn.]

After actually reading the article it seems like a hell of a lot of subjects to discuss in one lesson. I think maybe this may be a very inaccurate report

[Liam-]

After actually reading the article it seems like a hell of a lot of subjects to discuss in one lesson. I think maybe this may be a very inaccurate report

It reads like a ‘satire’ piece you’d see on infowars, all the boogeymen rolled into one

[Parmy]

Well that’s the truth of it all really, but some people are determined to make the community look as dangerous as possible so they can forge ahead with taking our rights away under the guise of ‘protecting the public’ experts have been warning that this has been happening for years but nobody was bothered to listen, now it’s happening, normally rational people are starting to go along with the twisted notion because they’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed, I genuinely believe it won’t be long until there are some calls for laws to prohibit gayness in some forms and people will go run with it because they’ve been scared into allowing bigotry to be normalised again

The largest pile of lies I've ever heard.

Its swung 180 degrees into acceptance and new events like the teaching ro kids for those we are to accept. Not to mention how male rapists are being sent to womens prisons.

Yet you are surprised that everyone fight and struggle over the last 40 to 5o years has ended up with a backlash.

I'd be raging if I was an old gay activist who really thought before fought for the struggle, just to be met with todays community. The way they shout fascist before stopping and thinking about what the population are worried about.

[Glenn.]

When it is verified to have happened,then what will your thoughts be ? .

I’m not sure what you seem to be getting at? You seem to be under the impression that I agree with it (if it indeed happen)

If it is accurate and it did happen then I hope the school is investigated for having such an inexperienced person in that role.

Seems like you just want an argument to me

[GoldHeart]

I notice there are never conversations about punishing other parts of society when people do dodgy things, teachers sleep with a student? Never a conversation about banning women from teaching to help protect children from it ever happening again, no conversation about restricting straight men’s rights, from doing things whenever one of them attacks or abuses someone, societal punishment is always aimed at the already targeted groups because they’re the easiest targets to strike fear into the ‘normal’ peoples heads, it’s so bloody transparent and frankly, as a gay man, terrifying to see the road society is going down, we’ll be back under section 28 before long, we’ll be banned from doing certain jobs and the people who are happy for it to be currently the aim to happen to trans people, will pretend to be sympathetic while they played a massive part in allowing the advancement of these wild theories


I'm pretty sure whoever you are , you need teaching qualifications and you need to have a DBS check to work with children :hee: . Both gay & straight people can teach kids providing they are qualified teachers who are teaching proper age appropriate lessons. It's not difficult .

As for the groomer pervert teachers out there ,I've never seen anyone make excuses for them . If anyone abuses their position & molests a child then they should not only lose their job but be arrested and put on a sex offenders register . So I don't know where you're getting the idea that nobody discusses these issues!?.

[Mystic Mock]

I notice there are never conversations about punishing other parts of society when people do dodgy things, teachers sleep with a student? Never a conversation about banning women from teaching to help protect children from it ever happening again, no conversation about restricting straight men’s rights, from doing things whenever one of them attacks or abuses someone, societal punishment is always aimed at the already targeted groups because they’re the easiest targets to strike fear into the ‘normal’ peoples heads, it’s so bloody transparent and frankly, as a gay man, terrifying to see the road society is going down, we’ll be back under section 28 before long, we’ll be banned from doing certain jobs and the people who are happy for it to be currently the aim to happen to trans people, will pretend to be sympathetic while they played a massive part in allowing the advancement of these wild theories

I personally believe we're all headed into the Borg society from Star Trek where we all have to be the same on everything.

These sub communities that help give us character will not be allowed by the year 2045.

[GoldHeart]

I’m not sure what you seem to be getting at? You seem to be under the impression that I agree with it (if it indeed happen)

If it is accurate and it did happen then I hope the school is investigated for having such an inexperienced person in that role.

Seems like you just want an argument to me

Inexperienced??? , it's a bit more than that if it's true what they've been teaching the kids .

[Mystic Mock]

I'm pretty sure whoever you are , you need teaching qualifications and you need to have a DBS check to work with children :hee: . Both gay & straight people can teach kids providing they are qualified teachers who are teaching proper age appropriate lessons. It's not difficult .

As for the groomer pervert teachers out there ,I've never seen anyone make excuses for them . If anyone abuses their position & molests a child then they should not only lose their job but be arrested and put on a sex offenders register . So I don't know where you're getting the idea that nobody discusses these issues!?.

In fairness there does appear to be a section of society that think it's "hot" for a female Teacher to be having sex with underage kids.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Manx radio have just done a big report. It was discussed in The House of Keys today and there is an independent inquiry (hence they cant discuss the specifics). It seemed to mirror the Telegraph article.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/uk-media-take-drag-queen-in-isle-of-man-schools-claims-to-print/

[user104658]

Even if Paedophiles are trying tactics to infiltrate the LGBT community, I honestly believe that as it stands that it won't work.

What is working though is Paedophiles being in high up positions within the Government and other important professions in the country, it explains why normalizing Paedophilia is becoming more common.

"Age play" has already been 100% legitimised as normal adult sexual activity via Queer Thoery and leveraging of "kink shaming" and age play is - to be blunt - LARPing paedophiles. The people who get off on it are paedophiles and it's near impossible to argue otherwise. They're not child molesters, because they have other adults pretending to be children instead. It's a very slippery slope and it's very much here and defended as legitimate by many.

[Parmy]

The L and G need to be shaking of the rest of the constanants imo.

[Liam-]

I'm pretty sure whoever you are , you need teaching qualifications and you need to have a DBS check to work with children :hee: . Both gay & straight people can teach kids providing they are qualified teachers who are teaching proper age appropriate lessons. It's not difficult .

As for the groomer pervert teachers out there ,I've never seen anyone make excuses for them . If anyone abuses their position & molests a child then they should not only lose their job but be arrested and put on a sex offenders register . So I don't know where you're getting the idea that nobody discusses these issues!?.

Right and there are teachers who take advantage of that and use their position to abuse people in their charge, so going by the current wave of logic by the the anti-trans movement, even though it’s a small minority of women who sleep with their students, there should be things put in place to try and stop it happening, but I’m not sure society is as willing to ban women from doing things as a result of a minority of them, as they are to ban trans people and take away their rights because a minority of them do bad things, there’s a very clear hypocrisy and different level of care that people seem to have, based on who’s doing what

[Liam-]

In fairness there does appear to be a section of society that think it's "hot" for a female Teacher to be having sex with underage kids.

Yep, mainly straight men, most often middle aged, who then think gays shouldn’t even be able to be anywhere near children, it’s very clearly homophobia wrapped up as concern

[Glenn.]

Inexperienced??? , it's a bit more than that if it's true what they've been teaching the kids .

You’ve literally just said about teachers having qualifications to teach have you not????

[Parmy]

Trans have rights.

autogynephilia...is now on the spectrum, and to be accepted and not discriminated against on job applications.

[Glenn.]

Yep, mainly straight men, most often middle aged, who then think gays shouldn’t even be able to be anywhere near children, it’s very clearly homophobia wrapped up as concern

They’ll turn them gay!

[GoldHeart]

In fairness there does appear to be a section of society that think it's "hot" for a female Teacher to be having sex with underage kids.

I know and that's a problem with society in general,but I don't remember anyone on TIBB condoning the female teachers' behaviour ( and it's plural) ,as there's been a few of these stories in the headlines..... of female teachers taking advantage of male students. A predator is a predator and I call it out ,and I'd like to think anyone with common sense would regardless of gender & sexuality.

[GoldHeart]

You’ve literally just said about teachers having qualifications to teach have you not????

Yeah but there's a difference in someone who's just clueless and inexperienced, to then having someone who is clearly pushing boundaries & being inappropriate around kids . But both should be nowhere near kids.

[GoldHeart]

Right and there are teachers who take advantage of that and use their position to abuse people in their charge, so going by the current wave of logic by the the anti-trans movement, even though it’s a small minority of women who sleep with their students, there should be things put in place to try and stop it happening, but I’m not sure society is as willing to ban women from doing things as a result of a minority of them, as they are to ban trans people and take away their rights because a minority of them do bad things, there’s a very clear hypocrisy and different level of care that people seem to have, based on who’s doing what



Not long ago it didn't feel like a 'small minority ' , I remember on TIBB we were all discussing a few child grooming cases of female teachers & their male students. It felt like it was happening alot . And like I said I don't remember anyone condoning it , everyone knew it was wrong & Pervy.

And nobody is saying to ban people based on gender identity & sexuality, it's to do with their behaviour and how they dress and interact around children. I'm sure if you had kids you'd want to know as a parent what exactly your kids are being taught in schools and by who ??. And if they're qualified and so on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this story checks out i hope the head teacher will be sacked forthwith

[Glenn.]

I still find it hilarious that a few weeks ago the same ‘protect our kids’ people were all for a grown man running over kids a couple of years older than the ones in the story.

[Parmy]

If this story checks out i hope the head teacher will be sacked forthwith

Can you sack a striker?

[GoldHeart]

I still find it hilarious that a few weeks ago the same ‘protect our kids’ people were all for a grown man running over kids a couple of years older than the ones in the story.

Not me , I said it was wrong at the time.

[Parmy]

Not me , I said it was wrong at the time.

What's he on about GH?

[Cherie]

The story was in LBC this morning I don’t think they run unverified news

[Cherie]

Not me , I said it was wrong at the time.

Everyone said it was wrong

[Parmy]

aYep, mainly straight men, most often middle aged, who then think gays shouldn’t even be able to be anywhere near children, it’s very clearly homophobia wrapped up as concern

Surely it's like minded AAM's who think its ok?

Your mind is strange at times.

[GoldHeart]

Everyone said it was wrong

I think because there was empathy for the Dad at the time as his son was being bullied,but yeah it was still wrong to run over the bullies:shrug: .

[Parmy]

I think because there was empathy for the Dad at the time as his son was being bullied,but yeah it was still wrong to run over the bullies:shrug: .

Oh I missed that. Got a link?

[Redway]

So is calling lgbt people peadophiles

I don’t think this is about the man who rolled up at that *primary* school just being LGBT. It ain’t right, Glenn. You know it ain’t.

[Redway]

Inexperienced??? , it's a bit more than that if it's true what they've been teaching the kids .

Exactly. I’m shook at the fact that anyone can defend teaching 11-year-olds about anal sex.

[Alf]

I'm not defending this by a long way but does anyone ever think the trans/drag people are being used here to push a bigger agenda that some people want normalising?

[Glenn.]

I don’t think this is about the man who rolled up at that *primary* school just being LGBT. It ain’t right, Glenn. You know it ain’t.

Tell parm that.

Also 11 isn’t primary school age. It’s middle school

[Glenn.]

And I’m not defending it. Just don’t think lumping peadophiles in with lgbt to try and justify someone’s homophobia is right

[GoldHeart]

Exactly. I’m shook at the fact that anyone can defend teaching 11-year-olds about anal sex.

The current state of things is really alarming & worrying. Anyone defending this or downplaying it..... should ask themselves if they'd be ok with someone else teaching kids graphic sex ?!?. I don't know why we're meant to accept it when it's Drag Queens. Plus they're not even qualified.

[GoldHeart]

And I’m not defending it. Just don’t think lumping peadophiles in with lgbt to try and justify someone’s homophobia is right

If it was a woman or a straight man doing these 'lessons' ,I would still have the same reaction. It's sexualising & grooming, and it's pushing a disturbing agenda. " Anal sex " & "73 Genders" ... Seriously!?! .

[Alf]

If it was a woman or a straight man doing these 'lessons' ,I would still have the same reaction. It's sexualising & grooming, and it's pushing a disturbing agenda. " Anal sex " & "73 Genders" ... Seriously!?! .If it was, it's more than likely they would be arrested, and rightly so.

So my suspicion is aimed more at the authorities that are showing a dereliction of duty than at these drag people.

[Cherie]

I'm not defending this by a long way but does anyone ever think the trans/drag people are being used here to push a bigger agenda that some people want normalising?

Of course this is perverts and opportunists jumping on to the popularity of drag to access kids much the same as rapists, perverts and opportunists are jumping on the trans train and people are letting them for fear of being labelled homophobic, transphobic and terfs and having their careers ended and or lives ruined by such accusations

[Redway]

Tell parm that.

Also 11 isn’t primary school age. It’s middle school

They could be Year 6 (primary school) or Year 7 (still really young). It’s a disgrace how anyone can defend teaching year 6/7 kids the ins and outs of anal.

[Niamh.]

Of course this is perverts and opportunists jumping on to the popularity of drag to access kids much the same as rapists, perverts and opportunists are jumping on the trans train and people are letting them for fear of being labelled homophobic, transphobic and terfs and having their careers ended and or lives ruined by such accusationsYeah exactly. I don't think most people think gay men are paedophiles(im not denying that there are homophobic people who do though of course), most people think paedophiles are opportunists and will use the easiest and safest routes to gain access to children, just like they did within the Church, back then priests were untouchable and no one was allowed to complain for fear of repruscussions, that's pretty similar to what's going on now with the trans movement.

[Niamh.]

They could be Year 6 (primary school) or Year 7 (still really young). It’s a disgrace how anyone can defend teaching year 6/7 kids the ins and outs of anal.11 would be primary school still here in Ireland, we don't have a middle school though

[Cherie]

Yeah exactly. I don't think most people think gay men are paedophiles(im not denying that there are homophobic people who do though of course), most people think paedophiles are opportunists and will use the easiest and safest routes to gain access to children, just like they did within the Church, back then priests were untouchable and no one was allowed to complain for fear of repruscussions, that's pretty similar to what's going on now with the trans movement.

It is exactly like that Niamh

[Cherie]

11 would be primary school still here in Ireland, we don't have a middle school though

whatever way it is being dressed up these kids would have been in primary school this time last year

[Zizu]

whatever way it is being dressed up these kids would have been in primary school this time last year


Yes the whole idea of such innocents being subjected to all this nonsense is simply abhorrent


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[Oliver_W]

Tell parm that.

Also 11 isn’t primary school age. It’s middle school

Depends on the part of the country.

5-11 is Primary, 11-16 (or 18 counting Sixth Form) is Secondary. A lot of places don't have Lower-Middle-Upper/High.

[Liam-]

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

[Cherie]

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

what a charming way to describe two female members of the forum but no surprises from you on that one


what is astonishing from you is that you are still clinging gamely to the believe that the trans movement has not been hijacked in some circumstance by perverts opportunists and rapists, the evidence is before your eyes but its still not happening in your book

[Crimson Dynamo]

“A lot of children are just too traumatised to even talk to their parents," Eliza
Cox, vice-chairman of Marown Commissioners, told Energy FM Isle of Man.

Parents at the school launched a petition calling for an “immediate
investigation into the alleged actions of teachers delivering the age-
inappropriate material to children”.

The petition, addressed to the school’s headteacher and signed by more than
500 people, stated: “We consider the attendance of a ‘drag queen’ in class
and alienating students clearly confused about the information discussed
during this session wholly inappropriate.

“How, who and why was this guest speaker permitted to discuss gender
issues to an inappropriate child audience by an inexperienced and untrained
adult?”

A teacher at the school was said to be so uncomfortable with the content of
the PSHE curriculum that they told pupils: “Please don’t listen to me."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/school-suspends-sex-education-independent-review-drag-queen/

[user104658]

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

It's not, it's actually quite accurate as parallels go. The vast majority of clergymen were sincere religious people who would never have directly harmed a child. The church was seen as being beyond question and to do so was blasphemy. Paedophiles and sex offenders abused that, alongside the access clergy had to children, to commit terrible crimes against children with impunity. Various other members of the church, who would never harm anyone themselves, nonetheless either turned a blind eye ("it doesn't happen/it's not happening") or made excuses and covered things up to protect the image of the church, and in order to "not give the secularists ammo" to use against religiosity.

And that's why it's the same. The important part is the first part - the vast majority of trans people are sincere and would not directly harm anyone. Yes there are those out there who genuinely would rather there be no trans people - but that's far from the majority of people. Most people know and understand that genuine trans people just getting on with their lives are not a risk to anyone.

HOWEVER, the aggressive pursuit of "quick, unquestionable" progression of rights has led us to a situation where there was a hard pseudo-religious dogma around "not questioning" when it comes to LGBTQ issues, to do so is seen as a form of "blasphemy" and people branded bigots in the same way those questioning the church were branded heretics. It's all but inevitable that when a "shield" like that is created, individuals acting in bad faith will abuse that level of protection to circumvent safeguarding measures and access victims, and to get away with their activities for a prolonged time under the ruse that anyone who notices "is just a bigot".

And then you have the "allies". The people who would never harm anyone themselves... but will turn a blind eye, claim it's not an issue, or outright brush clear examples under the carpet, again for the exact same reasons - to protect the image of all LGBT people, and to not "give ammo" to the genuine bigots.



It is exactly the same. Sociologically speaking, the current LGBTQ+/Trans Rights (and a lot of other progressive activism) has more in common with religiosity than anything else. There are rules, there's dogma, there's accepted terms and enforced language. Unbelievers are cast out. People who start questioning are to be immediately regarded with suspicion. That's all religion.

[arista]

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead


Fair Points


But should a 11 year old boy and girl
learn about anal sex?


To me, they are too young

[Niamh.]

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

That's not exactly what I said though is it? I said that paedophiles are opportunists and will use any loopholes, access or protections they can to get access to children like the way they used the Church for that reason. I didn't say it was on the same scale. No need for the insults either Liam, I thought you were on the "be kind" side of history?

[Liam-]

what a charming way to describe two female members of the forum but no surprises from you on that one


what is astonishing from you is that you are still clinging gamely to the believe that the trans movement has not been hijacked in some circumstance by perverts opportunists and rapists, the evidence is before your eyes but its still not happening in your book

You’re women so I can’t call your opinions and theories names? But it’s everybody else shielding themselves from scrutiny with their identity, got it

Where have I said that? There are opportunists in every group in the world, there always will be unfortunately, but there also aren’t hate movements against other groups to punish them for the wrong doings of those few people, the anti-trans movement hasn’t been about asking actual legitimate questions for a long time and everybody knows it, so let’s not get on this ‘hijacked movement’ nonsense

[Niamh.]

You’re women so I can’t call your opinions and theories names? But it’s everybody else shielding themselves from scrutiny with their identity, got it

Where have I said that? There are opportunists in every group in the world, there always will be unfortunately, but there also aren’t hate movements against other groups to punish them for the wrong doings of those few people, the anti-trans movement hasn’t been about asking actual legitimate questions for a long time and everybody knows it, so let’s not get on this ‘hijacked movement’ nonsense

There are, absolutely 100% This is why we have safe guarding to protect the more vulnerable in society. Safeguarding is good and should be preserved.

[Liam-]

There are, absolutely 100% This is why we have safe guarding to protect the more vulnerable in society. Safeguarding is good and should be preserved.

Yes, safeguarding is good, everybody agrees with that point, but safeguarding doesn’t mean restricting maligned groups rights and labelling an entire community as possible sexual deviants, ‘just to be safe’ the way the people you support and look up to are going, it’s going to cause damage far beyond just safeguarding for the general good of safety, it’s going to cause irreparable harm

[GoldHeart]

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

You going to keep pretending there isn't an alarming rise in attention seeking 'trans' people who treat women like garbage? , Whilst demanding respect yet shouting & threatening abuse at others ......When anyone doesn't agree with them they get screamed at "terf terf" , what intelligent conversations they must have with people :crazy:. Most of them don't even have 'Gender dysphoria ', they just jump on tik tok to get views and to influence little kids to change their bodies,which is pretty scary.

And it is a fair comparison as any pervert will get to children anyway they can . And I hope you practice what you're saying re: "historical cover ups" , because the way things are going with this new trend of sex ed drag & story time drag, don't be surprised if there's a sudden pile of grooming abuse in schools, that's been missed....due to teachers going along with this nonsense in fear of being labelled a 'bigot' , therefore common sense goes out the window.

[Niamh.]

Yes, safeguarding is good, everybody agrees with that point, but safeguarding doesn’t mean restricting maligned groups rights and labelling an entire community as possible sexual deviants, ‘just to be safe’ the way the people you support and look up to are going, it’s going to cause damage far beyond just safeguarding for the general good of safety, it’s going to cause irreparable harm

Women are entitled to safe guarding from men in some instances, you've already seen plenty of examples where relaxing that safe guarding to accommodate and give transwomen extra rights over women can lead to safety & privacy issues and unfairness, women are not acceptable collateral damage to validate transwomens feelings no matter how much you say we are.

[Liam-]

You going to keep pretending there isn't an alarming rise in attention seeking 'trans' people who treat women like garbage? , Whilst demanding respect yet shouting & threatening abuse at others ......When anyone doesn't agree with them they get screamed at "terf terf" , what intelligent conversations they must have with people :crazy:. Most of them don't even have 'Gender dysphoria ', they just jump on tik tok to get views and to influence little kids to change their bodies,which is pretty scary.

And it is a fair comparison as any pervert will get to children anyway they can . And I hope you practice what you're saying re: "historical cover ups" , because the way things are going with this new trend of sex ed drag & story time drag, don't be surprised if there's a sudden pile of grooming abuse in schools, that's been missed....due to teachers going along with this nonsense in fear of being labelled a 'bigot' , therefore common sense goes out the window.

Yes, there are people very angry that there’s a hate movement against an already marginalised demographic, orchestrated by the media and religious fundamentalists, absolutely there are, but there is also a large portion of the anti-trans movement which are just as hateful and spiteful, planning to turn up to a vigil for a dead teenager ti disrupt it because they don’t people paying respects to a trans person, hate and intolerance is a two way street.

And once again, nobody is influencing little kids to change their bodies, read something other than the daily mail please, I’m actually begging you, before you go further down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

If there’s ever a full scale government and trans co-op coverup of abuse, then we can talk about the comparison being legitimate, until then, I won’t converse about things that haven’t happened just because you think gay people are perverts, soz.

[Cherie]

You’re women so I can’t call your opinions and theories names? But it’s everybody else shielding themselves from scrutiny with their identity, got it

I think you can put your point across without implying I have nothing between my ears yes?

Where have I said that? There are opportunists in every group in the world, there always will be unfortunately, but there also aren’t hate movements against other groups to punish them for the wrong doings of those few people, the anti-trans movement hasn’t been about asking actual legitimate questions for a long time and everybody knows it, so let’s not get on this ‘hijacked movement’ nonsense

I think you can put your point across without implying I have nothing between my ears yes?

You keep mentioning hate, the only hating on anyone is the people who do not care about women's safety in society and look like they want us to live as second class citizens and will not enter to any meaningful discussion to address it

[Liam-]

Women are entitled to safe guarding from men in some instances, you've already seen plenty of examples where relaxing that safe guarding to accommodate and give transwomen extra rights over women can lead to safety & privacy issues and unfairness, women are not acceptable collateral damage to validate transwomens feelings no matter how much you say we are.

Women and children should be protected, absolutely 100% correct, but no matter how hard to try and make yourself or other people believe it, making trans people lives harder and taking away their rights to dignity and comfort, is not going to make women and children any safer from people who want to harm them, it just isn’t

[user104658]

Yes, there are people very angry that there’s a hate movement against an already marginalised demographic, orchestrated by the media and religious fundamentalists, absolutely there are, but there is also a large portion of the anti-trans movement which are just as hateful and spiteful, planning to turn up to a vigil for a dead teenager ti disrupt it because they don’t people paying respects to a trans person, hate and intolerance is a two way street.

And once again, nobody is influencing little kids to change their bodies, read something other than the daily mail please, I’m actually begging you, before you go further down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

If there’s ever a full scale government and trans co-op coverup of abuse, then we can talk about the comparison being legitimate, until then, I won’t converse about things that haven’t happened just because you think gay people are perverts, soz.

TBH it's fine to not want to discuss it so long as you aren't of the ilk who want to stop actual professionals, academics and safeguarding experts from discussing it, and will accept it when there are safeguarding issues identified and measures implemented, rather than applying political pressure for them to be ignored.

Unless we're pretending "that doesn't happen" as well.

[Liam-]

I think you can put your point across without implying I have nothing between my ears yes?

You keep mentioning hate, the only hating on anyone is the people who do not care about women's safety in society and look like they want us to live as second class citizens and will not enter to any meaningful discussion to address it

I said the comparison was braindead, not you personally, but you know that and just like to try and score points, crack on if you want to I guess

Nobody wants people to live like second class citizens, funny though considering every ‘debate’ that happens about this just seems to be had just included straight cis people, no sense of even wanting to hear from trans people, unless of course they agree with them, there’s never an actual balanced debate or discussion about it and that comes from both sides of the aisle

[Niamh.]

Women and children should be protected, absolutely 100% correct, but no matter how hard to try and make yourself or other people believe it, making trans people lives harder and taking away their rights to dignity and comfort, is not going to make women and children any safer from people who want to harm them, it just isn’t

I don't know Liam, enforcing safe guarding certainly helped the women in that prison in Scotland that "Isla Bryson" was going to be held in, didn't it? Just ask Nicola Sturgeon......

[GoldHeart]

Yes, there are people very angry that there’s a hate movement against an already marginalised demographic, orchestrated by the media and religious fundamentalists, absolutely there are, but there is also a large portion of the anti-trans movement which are just as hateful and spiteful, planning to turn up to a vigil for a dead teenager ti disrupt it because they don’t people paying respects to a trans person, hate and intolerance is a two way street.

And once again, nobody is influencing little kids to change their bodies, read something other than the daily mail please, I’m actually begging you, before you go further down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

If there’s ever a full scale government and trans co-op coverup of abuse, then we can talk about the comparison being legitimate, until then, I won’t converse about things that haven’t happened just because you think gay people are perverts, soz.

This is why the LGBTQ movement will just continue to go backwards. The progressive left will just keep adding extra alphabet soup letters = what is it now LGBTQIAA??, the maps have probably already sneaked into it .. without anything being said about it . There's no addressing of the hijackers, it's always turning a blind eye or instead name calling at anyone who disagrees.

you can't even have a proper discussion with me about the problematic issues. You've already accused me of thinking "gay men are all perverts", and I never said that .

[Liam-]

This is why the LGBTQ movement will just continue to go backwards. The progressive left will just keep adding extra alphabet soup letters = what is it now LGBTQIAA??, the maps have probably already sneaked into it .. without anything being said about it . There's no addressing of the hijackers, it's always turning a blind eye or instead bane calling at anyone who disagrees.

you can't even have a proper discussion with me about the problematic issues. You've already accused me of thinking "gay men are all perverts", and I never said that .

I can’t have a proper discussion with you because you spout reactionary nonsense like ‘alphabet soup’ and sex offenders being welcomed into the lgbt fold, it’s complete jibberish you’re reciting because you’ve been told you should be scared of it

[GoldHeart]

I said the comparison was braindead, not you personally, but you know that and just like to try and score points, crack on if you want to I guess

Nobody wants people to live like second class citizens, funny though considering every ‘debate’ that happens about this just seems to be had just included straight cis people, no sense of even wanting to hear from trans people, unless of course they agree with them, there’s never an actual balanced debate or discussion about it and that comes from both sides of the aisle

I'm not a cis woman , I'm a woman. Why is it ok for the movement to call us "cis women" ?.

[Niamh.]

I'm not a cis woman , I'm a woman. Why is it ok for the movement to call us "cis women" ?.

Language demands only swing one way apparently

[Zizu]

I’d be ok with far fewer labels

Hetero / Lesbian / Gay / Trans ..

There are kids with so many different labels to learn that they rarely think or talk about ANYTHING else .. it’s all-consuming .. sod actually trying to get an education!


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[Liam-]

Alright, completely avoid the point I made that’s fine, this place is fast turning into mumsnet, it’s actually wild

[GoldHeart]

I can’t have a proper discussion with you because you spout reactionary nonsense like ‘alphabet soup’ and sex offenders being welcomed into the lgbt fold, it’s complete jibberish you’re reciting because you’ve been told you should be scared of it

They keep adding too many letters to it , it was fine at LGBT then ok they added Q but now there's so many letters... it's got a bit silly now.

You know there's some twisted individuals out there just like the priests abusing kids , you know the 'minor attracted person ' are trying to get into the LGBT community, they are justifying their own behaviour by saying they're "not a threat to children" , It's been talked about before on here. The LGBTQ movement should push back harder and speak out against this . I use to hear them speak out against this type of stuff,but it's as if the whole map thing is being ignored again.

[user104658]

There’s never an actual balanced debate or discussion about it and that comes from both sides of the aisle

Yes I agree on that and that the hijacking is ultimately on both sides as well. I do see & accept that the most recent, and rather worrying, development is that religious fundamentalists have very much reared their heads in the debate and of course, when it comes down to it, the last thing that group is interested in is women's rights (or anyone elses).

But just as disingenuous individuals use of Trans Rights dogma as protection from scrutiny doesn't mean that all trans people are dangerous, the presence of the hard right and religious groups hopping onto the "other side" doesn't mean that there aren't people with real, valid and reasonable safeguarding concerns.

[Niamh.]

Yes I agree on that and that the hijacking is ultimately on both sides as well. I do see & accept that the most recent, and rather worrying, development is that religious fundamentalists have very much reared their heads in the debate and of course, when it comes down to it, the last thing that group is interested in is women's rights (or anyone elses).

But just as disingenuous individuals use of Trans Rights dogma as protection from scrutiny doesn't mean that all trans people are dangerous, the presence of the hard right and religious groups hopping onto the "other side" doesn't mean that there aren't people with real, valid and reasonable safeguarding concerns.

Yeah agree with that. Matt Walsh is a prime example. JK Rowling however is not, she's always been very much on the left but she's also a survivor of domestic abuse, it make so much sense as to why she'd be concerned about the potential damage to women's rights because of her history yet people pretend that it's more likely she "just hates trans people"

[Liam-]

Yes I agree on that and that the hijacking is ultimately on both sides as well. I do see & accept that the most recent, and rather worrying, development is that religious fundamentalists have very much reared their heads in the debate and of course, when it comes down to it, the last thing that group is interested in is women's rights (or anyone elses).

But just as disingenuous individuals use of Trans Rights dogma as protection from scrutiny doesn't mean that all trans people are dangerous, the presence of the hard right and religious groups hopping onto the "other side" doesn't mean that there aren't people with real, valid and reasonable safeguarding concerns.

The blatantl hypocrisy though is the anti-trans lot wanting lgbt people to publicly condemn all the hijackers and publicly speak out against them and make amends for behaviours that aren’t their own, but absolutely refuse to speak out themselves about the very obvious coattail riders that are the religious nutjobs and outright bigots that are becoming the faces and the voices of the movement, camouflaging as people that have actual concerns, if you’re happy to accept those people into the movement and let them represent you, you have no right to expect the other side to apologise for the fringe people on their side and that’s what’s happening

[user104658]

Yeah agree with that. Matt Walsh is a prime example.

Kate Forbes (SNP hopeful) is a concern as well, she largely "says the right things" (i.e. that her own religious views and opinions would never affect her decision-making in politics) but I don't believe that can be true for anyone even if she means it -- and on top of that, I just don't trust that she means it.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah agree with that. Matt Walsh is a prime example.

Yes Matt Walsh is more hard right leaning,but everything he said about Dylan Mulvany was correct. And he has kids he wants to protect from all this ideology.

[user104658]

The blatantl hypocrisy though is the anti-trans lot wanting lgbt people to publicly condemn all the hijackers and publicly speak out against them and make amends for behaviours that aren’t their own, but absolutely refuse to speak out themselves about the very obvious coattail riders that are the religious nutjobs and outright bigots that are becoming the faces and the voices of the movement, camouflaging as people that have actual concerns, if you’re happy to accept those people into the movement and let them represent you, you have no right to expect the other side to apologise for the fringe people on their side and that’s what’s happening

I mean, that's tribalism and that's unfortunately the world we live in (and possibly just wide-scale human nature). I don't disagree but that's why I wish the activities and debates of academics and professionals could be left separate to the mind-numbing rabble of the proletariat press.

Unfortunately the Social Media generation means that enough dumb voices shouting in unison about wanting "everything right now" (or alternatively, "nothing at all to change ever") can over-ride a handful of thoughtful, intelligent thinkers who are genuinely seeking careful, considered progress in a reasonable timeframe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

at the end of the day we have major 2 concerns here

1. why was a man dressed up as a sexualized caricature of a woman allowed into a school to abuse children with lies and inappropriate sexual material? WHat adult teacher agreed this?

2. Why did a man want to dress as a sexualized caricature of a woman and talk to children about adult sexual matters?

[Liam-]

Yes Matt Walsh is more hard right leaning,but everything he said about Dylan Mulvany was correct. And he has kids he wants to protect from all this ideology.

Yeah, the man that says girls should be having babies below the age of consent because that’s when they’re the most verile, definitely wants to protect kids

[Cherie]

I said the comparison was braindead, not you personally, but you know that and just like to try and score points, crack on if you want to I guess

Nobody wants people to live like second class citizens, funny though considering every ‘debate’ that happens about this just seems to be had just included straight cis people, no sense of even wanting to hear from trans people, unless of course they agree with them, there’s never an actual balanced debate or discussion about it and that comes from both sides of the aisle

I have said time and time again that the trans community should speak about against the likes of Isla Bryson as he is tarnishing them...maybe they have?

[GoldHeart]

Kate Forbes (SNP hopeful) is a concern as well, she largely "says the right things" (i.e. that her own religious views and opinions would never affect her decision-making in politics) but I don't believe that can be true for anyone even if she means it -- and on top of that, I just don't trust that she means it.

Well do you want Kate Forbes to do what Theresa May & Tim Farron did and backpedal their views to please people?? . Hardly genuine is it .

I would say Kate Forbes should focus more on education and other political issues, if she has conviction in her decisions and doesn't crumble then she might actually be a stronger leader than Nicole Sturgeon. But we'll see .

[Cherie]

Yes I agree on that and that the hijacking is ultimately on both sides as well. I do see & accept that the most recent, and rather worrying, development is that religious fundamentalists have very much reared their heads in the debate and of course, when it comes down to it, the last thing that group is interested in is women's rights (or anyone elses).

But just as disingenuous individuals use of Trans Rights dogma as protection from scrutiny doesn't mean that all trans people are dangerous, the presence of the hard right and religious groups hopping onto the "other side" doesn't mean that there aren't people with real, valid and reasonable safeguarding concerns.

Of course there are hijackers on both sides but the only one destined for a womens prison was Isla Bryson

[GoldHeart]

Yeah, the man that says girls should be having babies below the age of consent because that’s when they’re the most verile, definitely wants to protect kids

What?!??

[Niamh.]

Of course there are hijackers on both sides but the only one destined for a womens prison was Isla Bryson

yep.

[GoldHeart]

Of course there are hijackers on both sides but the only one destined for a womens prison was Isla Bryson

It isn't just Isla Bryson either , there's been other incidents of men pretending to be women as they think they can get away with it. As they get closer to their victims. Laws needs to be brought in to make it harder for predators to sneak into womens spaces.

This is why Scotland will now end up with a stricter political leader ,with views not everyone will agree. But if Forbes sticks to important social issues like this and education etc ,then she might actually be better than Sturgeon. But who knows.

[user104658]

Of course there are hijackers on both sides but the only one destined for a womens prison was Isla Bryson

I would genuinely be remiss if I didn't caution against underestimating how awful some of the individuals looking to use/abuse the current situation from the other angle are though. I do believe that the LGBTQ community has unfortunately been asleep at the wheel when it comes to disingenuous individuals essentially using them to their own ends - but it would be very ironic to then not acknowledge that there are some actual bigots and people with genuinely dangerous views and sleepwalk into something even more sinister.

I'm always mindful that the "backlash to the backlash" and most "tribal social stuff" is frequently used as a distraction from other things.

[Liam-]

What?!??

Yeah, that’s the type of people being allowed to take over and become the face of the anti-trans movement, because they say things that people want to hear on the surface, but they’ve got their own ulterior motives based in fundamentalism and bigotry

[Niamh.]

Yeah, that’s the type of people being allowed to take over and become the face of the anti-trans movement, because they say things that people want to hear on the surface, but they’ve got their own ulterior motives based in fundamentalism and bigotry

They can become the face of the "anti-trans" movement, that doesn't represent me as I'm only interested in the Pro-Women & Children "movement" anyway, like I always have been, long before trans became part of that debate. :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

Yeah, that’s the type of people being allowed to take over and become the face of the anti-trans movement, because they say things that people want to hear on the surface, but they’ve got their own ulterior motives based in fundamentalism and bigotry

Well the only Matt Walsh videos I've seen are to do with de transitioners and Dylan Mulvany .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I notice there are never conversations about punishing other parts of society when people do dodgy things, teachers sleep with a student? Never a conversation about banning women from teaching to help protect children from it ever happening again, no conversation about restricting straight men’s rights, from doing things whenever one of them attacks or abuses someone, societal punishment is always aimed at the already targeted groups because they’re the easiest targets to strike fear into the ‘normal’ peoples heads, it’s so bloody transparent and frankly, as a gay man, terrifying to see the road society is going down, we’ll be back under section 28 before long, we’ll be banned from doing certain jobs and the people who are happy for it to be currently the aim to happen to trans people, will pretend to be sympathetic while they played a massive part in allowing the advancement of these wild theories

There was a case in the USA recently where this 15 year old lad slept with his very hot 26 year old female Biology teacher. The sad thing is that shortly after the event the poor lad died. :sad:

He was high-five'd to death

[Crimson Dynamo]

jxCidIDWhPE

[Cherie]

Childen were encouraged to shout out slang words for genetalia which were written on the white board including the c...word :umm2:

This was in a science class....nothing to do with the drag queen...

This seems a very strange school

[Crimson Dynamo]

Childen were encouraged to shout out slang words for genetalia which were written on the white board including the c...word :umm2:

This was in a science class....nothing to do with the drag queen...

This seems a very strange school

A Father of a pupil from that class is currently on with Nick. The school is now carrying out a second "enquiry" about this and the head has already said sorry to this family.

He said the 11 year olds come back into the family home and tell their 5,6,7 year old siblings

He is utterly disgusted and rightly so

[Cherie]

A Father of a pupil from that class is currently on with Nick. The school is now carrying out a second "enquiry" about this and the head has already said sorry to this family.

He said the 11 year olds come back into the family home and tell their 5,6,7 year old siblings

He is utterly disgusted and rightly so

Yeah listening to that ...some parents have been called bigots for disagreeing :umm2:

[bots]

the kids should have asked the guy to list the 73 genders

[Niamh.]

the kids should have asked the guy to list the 73 genders

Yeah :laugh:

[user104658]

Childen were encouraged to shout out slang words for genetalia which were written on the white board including the c...word :umm2:

"Clunge" :worry:

[GoldHeart]

That school sounds unhinged,they definitely need investigating by Ofsted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1649490067440664577?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1649900793783365634?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1649182158735523840?s=20

[arista]

Yes LT


USA is far worse

[Cherie]

Nothing to see here, its only a minority....sucks for the kids but hey as long as the adults are okay thats fine and dandy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes LT


USA is far worse

and the agenda is clear

[user104658]

The argument will be that "you can't use a few examples to say that all trans people are predators" and it's obviously true that the majority are not, however at this point, clearly - VERY CLEARLY - LGBTQ (and especially Q) is being used as a Trojan Horse by some very dangerous and troubled individuals to gain access to vulnerable people and groups. #

This should be a matter of serious concern to the entire LGBT community but there's seemingly a culture of denial/refusal to admit that there's any issue. I do actually understand the reasons, but at some point they're going to have to realise that, to a casual observer, this starts to look like complicity, and not just in the eyes of "bigots and -phobes".

[GoldHeart]

The argument will be that "you can't use a few examples to say that all trans people are predators" and it's obviously true that the majority are not, however at this point, clearly - VERY CLEARLY - LGBTQ (and especially Q) is being used as a Trojan Horse by some very dangerous and troubled individuals to gain access to vulnerable people and groups. #

This should be a matter of serious concern to the entire LGBT community but there's seemingly a culture of denial/refusal to admit that there's any issue. I do actually understand the reasons, but at some point they're going to have to realise that, to a casual observer, this starts to look like complicity, and not just in the eyes of "bigots and -phobes".

The liberal LGBT folk will always turn a blind eye and downplay it ,
and get defensive like they're personally being attacked in their home.

From what I've seen it's only the more right leaning / conservative minded ones who actually speak out against it ...I keep hoping more of them on a whole speak out , because regardless of your politics you should be seeing this as wrong and innapropriate .