Ireland backtracks on gender identity curriculum in schools

[Crimson Dynamo]

Students will no longer be taught that gender is on a spectrum

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reland is routinely cited as a beacon of best practice on all matters
transgender. Over the water, self-identification of legal gender was introduced
in 2015. The Scottish Government — when pursuing their own ill-fated
Gender Recognition Reform Bill — described it as a “well established system”.
Now it seems the Irish are having second thoughts.

The context this time is not women’s rights — Limerick women’s prison still
houses two trans women serving time for sexual offences — but schools. The
impact of transgender ideology on children is perhaps even more worrying
than the effect on women. Youngsters have been taught all sorts of nonsense
about gender; there was even a BBC programme aimed at 9- to 12-year
olds that asserted that there “are over 100 genders”.

Now it seems that the Irish National Council for Curriculum and Assessment
has dropped a proposal to help junior pupils “appreciate that sexual
orientation, gender identity and gender expression are core parts of human
identity and that each is experienced along a spectrum”. Following objections
from parents, the curriculum will no longer teach that gender identity and
expression are on a spectrum.

Governments and administrations need to dump the ideology and promote
the truth — in schools and elsewhere. Everyone is different, and we can
celebrate that without abandoning the reality that there are but two sexes.

https://unherd.com/thepost/ireland-backtracks-on-gender-identity-curriculum-in-schools/

[Niamh.]

"Well established" was a lie, the general public who didn't spend time online had no idea this was even a thing in Ireland up until it's started to become visible now in schools etc

[GoldHeart]

It's funny that how we don't hear about kids being taught useful life skills......like sign language , first aid or swimming. I guess those things aren't important anymore.

[Liam-]

It's funny that how we don't hear about kids being taught useful life skills......like sign language , first aid or swimming. I guess those things aren't important anymore.

Here’s the thing, kids should be taught useful life skills, especially as they get older, but they should also be taught about human difference and the acceptance of being different, being nice to people who aren’t the same as you and accepting and loving yourself if you might feel different from everybody else

It doesn’t have to be one or the other

[user104658]

Here’s the thing, kids should be taught useful life skills, especially as they get older, but they should also be taught about human difference and the acceptance of being different, being nice to people who aren’t the same as you and accepting and loving yourself if you might feel different from everybody else

It doesn’t have to be one or the other

I agree HOWEVER doing so would involve teaching that some people believe that gender is on a spectrum, not that gender IS on a spectrum.

Again I find myself comparing it to religion; we teach about Hinduism (etc) in schools, we teach that there are many millions of people who believe in the teachings of those religions... we teach that people should respect each other's beliefs even if we don't believe them ourselves. We don't teach that the elephant-headed gods are real. We don't comment on it either way. And we certainly don't insist that people pretend to believe things that they don't.

We teach the facts; which in this case is that gender is a sociological construct and therefore open to debate. Some people believe gender is on a spectrum, and some don't. That's ALL that schools should be teaching.

[Niamh.]

I agree HOWEVER doing so would involve teaching that some people believe that gender is on a spectrum, not that gender IS on a spectrum.

Again I find myself comparing it to religion; we teach about Hinduism (etc) in schools, we teach that there are many millions of people who believe in the teachings of those religions... we teach that people should respect each other's beliefs even if we don't believe them ourselves. We don't teach that the elephant-headed gods are real. We don't comment on it either way. And we certainly don't insist that people pretend to believe things that they don't.

We teach the facts; which in this case is that gender is a sociological construct and therefore open to debate. Some people believe gender is on a spectrum, and some don't. That's ALL that schools should be teaching.

Exactly and to compare this to religion again especially speaking as an Irish person who went through state schooling run by the church I think parents of children in Ireland are going to have a low tolerance for this attempt to push ideals on children in school as fact that can't be questioned or disagreed with. We're still trying to get the Catholic Churches strangle hold on the education system and in turn children's minds separated (and we're not even fully there with that yet)

[GoldHeart]

Here’s the thing, kids should be taught useful life skills, especially as they get older, but they should also be taught about human difference and the acceptance of being different, being nice to people who aren’t the same as you and accepting and loving yourself if you might feel different from everybody else

It doesn’t have to be one or the other

Biology & science! that's all they need , You do not teach kids to think this way or that way to push a gender ideology .You can still teach kids to be kind to eachother without forcing all this.

And show me a school that teaches sign language ???, I never hear about it. And that is something that should be encouraged more ,deaf kids are growing up not able to fully communicate with other kids. Because the other kids don't understand .

[user104658]

Biology & science! that's all they need

:oh: The social sciences are valid thank you very much :hmph:.

... ... ... ... Social Scientists are stunning and brave...