Fury at 'Drag act for BABIES': Semi-naked man in thigh boots performs bondageact

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fury at 'Drag act for BABIES': Semi-naked man in thigh high boots
performs bondage routine

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/02/13/68258381-11810305-image-a-41_1677762595940.jpg


Film of the CabaBabaRave provoked outrage yesterday over event's content
Video showed bondage gear dressed dancer performing for tiny babies


Footage has emerged of dancers dressed in bondage gear and underwear
performing handstands in front of babies and parents at an 'absolutely
abhorrent' sensory event.

The show, named CabaBabaRave, brands itself as a 'little slice of afternoon
delight' that intersperses cabaret with 'captivating baby sensory moments'
before 'ending in a rave'.

Footage showed one dancer dressed in bondage gear while performing
acrobatic sequences from straps dangling from the ceiling as babies and their
parents watch on.

The video, believed to have been taken during an event at the Honor Oak
Pub in south east London, also shows another act performing a handstand on
a chair while wearing nothing but stilettos and a leopard print thong.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810305/Fury-Drag-act-BABIES-Semi-naked-man-thigh-high-boots-performs-bondage-routine.html

Something is going on here....

[Niamh.]

Why are these parents bringing their kids to these things as well ffs?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/02/11/68241587-11810305-image-a-21_1677756899848.jpg

[Cherie]

What the hell is going on? I would be involving social services with the parents who brought their kiddies to see this

[Liam-]

I thought we were all for parents choosing what is acceptable for their own families and their children? Or is that only for when parents want their kids to grow up to be bigots like them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

YOu have to wonder what the motivation is for the men involved, what they want to show that to babies....

:umm2:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/02/13/68258407-11810305-image-a-39_1677762564695.jpg

One lady Filming it

[Barry.]

Is he a drag act or a cirus act though? Just because he wears boots don’t make him a drag act

[Glenn.]

I wonder if these kiddos have ever been to a circus?

[GoldHeart]

YOu have to wonder what the motivation is for the men involved, what they want to show that to babies....

:umm2:

Parents are just as bad ,I can see some of them filming it laughing .

If this act is child friendly ......then we might aswell let kids play with bleach next !.

[Glenn.]

He’s literally a circus performer…

[Oliver_W]

What (all ages) circuses have you been going to?

[Alf]

He’s literally a circus performer…And I'm guessing that this fella is literally a club singer?


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[Barry.]

What (all ages) circuses have you been going to?

It’s an circus act with drapes, it’s common, the costume though, I can see where that would be strange but we get half naked men on dancing on ice, a family show, so it’s the new normal

[Barry.]

Also I’d remove the drag act bit as they aren’t a drag act.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And I'm guessing that this fella is literally a club singer?


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sickening

[Mystic Mock]

As someone that likes to think of myself as pretty liberal when it comes to opportunities being open to people, even I've got to say that this brand/organization is very suspect with this routine in front of children.

God I never thought that I'd do a "think of the children" moment, it just shows you how insane certain individuals are nowadays.:joker:

[Liam-]

Also I’d remove the drag act bit as they aren’t a drag act.

That wouldn’t make the headline as juicy enough for the average daily mail reader

[Mystic Mock]

Is he a drag act or a cirus act though? Just because he wears boots don’t make him a drag act

Looking at the picture it appears to be a Circus act imo.

Even so though what is with the bondage gear?:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sat 28th Jan - Sat 11th Mar
14:00 (90 mins)
CABARET DRAG & BURLESQUE
CABARET / FAMILY FRIENDLY / WOMEN’S VOICES
Tickets from £22.00
Venue: The Flair Ground
Age Guidance: Under 5s

“We wanted to create the type of event we ourselves as Mums would want to go to.
There’s only so many times you can listen to the ******ing Wheels on the Bus. We wanted
to give parents the experience of a ‘big London night out’.. cabaret, drinks and dancing..
but one you can bring your baby to and still be home for bedtime”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqJtR0JWcAABACM?format=jpg&name=large

[Crimson Dynamo]

"bring your children"


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[Liam-]

So it was an event organised by mums, for them to get together with their children and enjoy some entertainment everyone could enjoy, this is gonna be a tough one for the anti-trans lot to come to terms with

[Niamh.]

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[Jordan.]

So it was an event organised by mums, for them to get together with their children and enjoy some entertainment everyone could enjoy, this is gonna be a tough one for the anti-trans lot to come to terms with

The outraged social media parents clearly know better than the one's actually giving their kids attention.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see the parenting experts are out in full force...

[Barry.]

I see the parenting experts are out in full force...

I may not be a parent but as an uncle, my brother and fiancé wouldn’t mind going to a family drag show.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I may not be a parent but as an uncle, my brother and fiancé wouldn’t mind going to a family drag show.

marvelous

[Jordan.]

I see the parenting experts are out in full force...

Where was your keep drag away from kids energy when you were letting your kids play this game??????

https://i.imgur.com/m7IJ1Ij.jpg

:shocked:

[Liam-]

The outraged social media parents clearly know better than the one's actually giving their kids attention.

‘Stop enjoying things we don’t!! :fist:’

They’re worse than the ‘cancel culture’ millennials they’re constantly slagging off

[Crimson Dynamo]

So we have tried video games, circuses, pantos

to try and defend the undefendable

I mean you still have Willie Wonka, Wizard of Oz and Tiswaz so all is not lost, I guess

[rusticgal]

The children are too young to even enjoy a Circus Act....bizarre.

[user104658]

**** has really jumped the shark when we have a thread full of childless grown men trying to pretend to be sincere whilst defending other grown men flashing their arseholes at babies.

I don't believe for a split second that any of you think this isn't dodgy - you're just being loyal soldiers in the culture wars. I get it, to an extent, but come on... you have to have a line somehwere, and refusing to acknowledge one doesn't make you look like a "loyal ally", it just makes you look stupid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oooft

[Redway]

I thought we were all for parents choosing what is acceptable for their own families and their children? Or is that only for when parents want their kids to grow up to be bigots like them?

Yeah but this is something else, Liam. Primary-school kids have no business knowing about sexual stuff, at least not directly from educational authorities. Doing that to eight-month-olds (who might only just be able to crawl) is beyond insane. Like, come on, man.

[Redway]

Do you think sex education should be moved from Year 7 to Year 3 just for the sake of LGBT+ awareness, (which in and of itself is absolutely fine) Liam?

[Liam-]

Yeah but this is something else, Liam. Primary-school kids have no business knowing about sexual stuff, at least not directly from educational authorities. Doing that to eight-month-olds (who might only just be able to crawl) is beyond insane. Like, come on, man.

Either you want to give parents, especially mothers, the right to be in control of what their children are exposed to, based on what they think is acceptable and appropriate for their own family and children, or you don’t, you can’t have it both ways, no matter how much you want to

Do you think sex education should be moved from Year 7 to Year 3 just for the sake of LGBT+ awareness, (which in and of itself is absolutely fine) Liam?

Sex education is fine for the appropriate ages it’s at now, I do however believe that social studies at an appropriate level for different ages , would be incredibly beneficial for society as a whole in the long run, thanks for confirming that young children are not being taught about sex like the right wing media are trying to make people believe though

[Glenn.]

What’s also funny is so called parents thinking they have the right to question other parents on what’s best for their children.

Keep in your own lane and worry about your own conditioned kids.

[user104658]

Either you want to give parents, especially mothers, the right to be in control of what their children are exposed to, based on what they think is acceptable and appropriate for their own family and children, or you don’t, you can’t have it both ways, no matter how much you want to


For a start you literally can, and the law is and has for a long time been "both ways". It has never been "at parent's discretion" to deliberately expose children to pornography or other adult material. It's not "all or nothing", what a bizarre notion.

For two, having an opinion on what is or isn't appropriate for children to be exposed to in public isn't even vaguely the same thing as forcibly removing parental decision making.

[Liam-]

What’s also funny is so called parents thinking they have the right to question other parents on what’s best for their children.

Keep in your own lane and worry about your own conditioned kids.

‘Stop telling me to teach my kids things I don’t want them to learn!!’

‘Stop teaching your kids things I don’t want them to learn!!’

It’s the hypocrisy for me

[user104658]

What’s also funny is so called parents thinking they have the right to question other parents on what’s best for their children.


Not the "Childless men have just as much knowledge and experience of raising children as people who have raised children, and if you don't agree you're a bigot" card again. That was one of ol' Dezzy's favourites if I remember rightly, nice to see he's still around in spirit.

[user104658]

‘Stop telling me to teach my kids things I don’t want them to learn!!’

‘Stop teaching your kids things I don’t want them to learn!!’

It’s the hypocrisy for me

Can you please explain to me what a toddler is "learning" from having an adult man's taint shoved in their face?

Honestly I'm seeing lots of attempts at justification without actually being willing to address the central issue. What are they "learning"? And about... what?

[Glenn.]

Not the "Childless men have just as much knowledge and experience of raising children as people who have raised children, and if you don't agree you're a bigot" card again. That was one of ol' Dezzy's favourites if I remember rightly, nice to see he's still around in spirit.

I don’t get how you have to have children to have some unholy advantage over people that don’t. It’s ludicrous. I have nieces and young children in my family. Why don’t I get to have an opinion?

[Glenn.]

Can you please explain to me what a toddler is "learning" from having an adult man's taint shoved in their face?

Honestly I'm seeing lots of attempts at justification without actually being willing to address the central issue. What are they "learning"? And about... what?

They’re learning tolerance

[Glenn.]

And come off it you’re acting like the performer was naked. Jesus Christ

[Liam-]

Oh is TS playing the old ‘you can’t have an opinion if you’re…’ card again? Last time he was telling me I couldn’t have an opinion on things because I’m a gay man, nice to see he’s expanding his horizons a bit now though

[Glenn.]

We should ban the Little Mermaid too? Kids seeing a 16yr old swimming about in a shell bra is warping the kids

[user104658]

I don’t get how you have to have children to have some unholy advantage over people that don’t. It’s ludicrous. I have nieces and young children in my family. Why don’t I get to have an opinion?

"I don't get how experience increases knowledge" is what you've just said. Think about it for a second or two and (hopefully) it doesn't need explained?

"I just don't get how driving racing cars for 15 years gives someone an advantage in driving ability over someone who hasn't? My gradad lends me his Fiat 500 every weekend, why can't I compete?"

I'm not saying that everyone with kids is an expert, or that everyone gets it right, not by a long shot. I am however saying that someone who is childless has no idea what goes into child safeguarding every day. Pretending that you do is just sad, and LARPing as something that you're not. It's not a life experience that you have - so you know less about it! That's life! It's no "offensive".

[GoldHeart]

The children are too young to even enjoy a Circus Act....bizarre.

Exactly
Good luck trying to control a baby or toddler in a loud circus environment .

[Cal.]

Looks to be a circus act to me however the outfit is a bit inappropriate for the age group.

[user104658]

And come off it you’re acting like the performer was naked. Jesus Christ

Have you seen the whole video? There's one literally in a thong.

[GoldHeart]

We should ban the Little Mermaid too? Kids seeing a 16yr old swimming about in a shell bra is warping the kids

Now you're reaching

[user104658]

Oh is TS playing the old ‘you can’t have an opinion if you’re…’ card again? Last time he was telling me I couldn’t have an opinion on things because I’m a gay man, nice to see he’s expanding his horizons a bit now though

I didn't say you can't have an opinion, I said that your opinion is ill-informed, biased, and not really worth giving time to. Especially as - like I said - I don't actually believe for a second that any of you think it's A-OK for adult men to be waggling their cocks at infants. You're just "fighting the good fight" (or what you believe it to be).

Maybe I'm being offensively charitable.

[Glenn.]

"I don't get how experience increases knowledge" is what you've just said. Think about it for a second or two and (hopefully) it doesn't need explained?

"I just don't get how driving racing cars for 15 years gives someone an advantage in driving ability over someone who hasn't? My gradad lends me his Fiat 500 every weekend, why can't I compete?"

I'm not saying that everyone with kids is an expert, or that everyone gets it right, not by a long shot. I am however saying that someone who is childless has no idea what goes into child safeguarding every day. Pretending that you do is just sad, and LARPing as something that you're not. It's not a life experience that you have - so you know less about it! That's life! It's no "offensive".

So by your own logic I wouldn’t be able to babysit my nieces then because as I’m not their parent I wouldn’t know how to safeguard them from harm?

[Cal.]

I don’t think this topic is one where it can be argued you can’t have an opinion on it if you are not a parent but I suppose it is up to each parent who takes their children to these events if it’s appropriate or not for their child.

[user104658]

So by your own logic I wouldn’t be able to babysit my nieces then because as I’m not their parent I wouldn’t know how to safeguard them from harm?

:facepalm: "Child safeguarding" isn't about keeping their hands away from the oven when it's hot or making sure they don't drink the calpol. If you were to babysit your nieces and your family came home to find you'd popped on an old DVD of "Puppetry of the Penis" for them to watch with their milk & cookies I imagine there'd be some tense words?

[bots]

if the same fella was to go and waggle his cock at a donkey, he would be arrested, so let's accept him doing it at babies, thats ok

[Glenn.]

if the same fella was to go and waggle his cock at a donkey, he would be arrested, so let's accept him doing it at babies, thats ok

Pretty sure his manhood was contained was it not? You’re all imagining things that haven’t happened? Obviously of that was the case then yes he should be arrested.

[GoldHeart]

I don't know how anyone can defend their outfits.

[GoldHeart]

Pretty sure his manhood was contained was it not? You’re all imagining things that haven’t happened? Obviously of that was the case then yes he should be arrested.

Oh should he be arrested then ?? Right okay, looks like it's going to take full indecent exposure in front of a child for you to realise how gross and innapropriate this is .

Your little mermaid argument made zero sense, if women were parading in bra & thongs in front of little children , you know it would be wrong .

[Glenn.]

The anti trans rhetoric on here is alarming. Can you all just go into a private chat thread and be hateful

[Glenn.]

Oh should he be arrested then ?? Right okay, looks like it's going to take full indecent exposure in front of a child for you to realise how gross and innapropriate this is .

Your little mermaid argument made zero sense, if women were parading in bra & thongs in front of little children , you know it would be wrong .

It’s still a cartoon in a bra that a lot of children watch? If you’re gonna be OTT about a circus performer polluting children’s minds or whatever then use that same energy for other things.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is a good long watch

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[GoldHeart]

It’s still a cartoon in a bra that a lot of children watch? If you’re gonna be OTT about a circus performer polluting children’s minds or whatever then use that same energy for other things.

You're comparing a mermaid with a man in a thong really??!? . I already told you it would also be innapropriate if women were parading in thongs shoving their bums in front of these kids .

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1629890083338989568?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/FreeWomanLeahy/status/1629507092263366656?s=20

[user104658]

Pretty sure his manhood was contained was it not? You’re all imagining things that haven’t happened? Obviously of that was the case then yes he should be arrested.

Come on, Glenn.

https://i.imgur.com/RvkpDiJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LdFZqIG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TukdCIW.jpg

Really? Really though.

[Redway]

How many kids do you have, out of interest, Liam?

[GoldHeart]

Come on, Glenn.

https://i.imgur.com/RvkpDiJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LdFZqIG.jpg

Really? Really though.

Imagine a woman doing that with just a feather boa covering her breasts ,as she has her arse hanging out in a thong !!. How can anyone be ok with this for kids !?? :umm2: . This looks like an adult strip show !.

[Glenn.]

Come on, Glenn.

https://i.imgur.com/RvkpDiJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LdFZqIG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TukdCIW.jpg

Really? Really though.

Yes you’re right I can very clearly see his penis. His penis is flapping about like an elephant’s trunk there yes.

[user104658]

Imagine a woman doing that with just a feather boa covering her breasts ,as she has her arse hanging out in a thong !!. How can anyone be ok with this for kids !?? :umm2: . This looks like an adult strip show !.

There was, apparently, also a female burlesque dancer there who was topless. I haven't seen any actual confirmation of that though so y'know, hear'say etc.

That said I am loosely in the "boobs are not genitals" camp on that one. But burlesque in general is still - hopefully obviously, for most people - not supposed to be for kids.

[user104658]

Yes you’re right I can very clearly see his penis. His penis is flapping about like an elephant’s trunk there yes.

You're still arguing that this is appropriate? For toddlers? If nothing else I have to admire the determination. I don't believe you though. I don't believe you'd be stood watching this with your nieces. It's just not ringing true at this point :shrug:.

[Redway]

The people on this thread who have never either looked after vulnerable people, had kids of their own or been blessed with an ounce of sexual decorum have no idea what we’re feeling and it shows.

[GoldHeart]

There was, apparently, also a female burlesque dancer there who was topless. I haven't seen any actual confirmation of that though so y'know, hear'say etc.

That said I am loosely in the "boobs are not genitals" camp on that one. But burlesque in general is still - hopefully obviously, for most people - not supposed to be for kids.

I can't see any females, I think it's all men in drag .

Burlesque is for adults , it's basically a strip tease!!! . What exactly are little kids supposed to get out of these performances??.

[Redway]

But then you don’t need to have kids or be anything other than reasonable in the most common way to see how inappropriate this is for kids. This isn’t about their sexuality.

[GoldHeart]

Yes you’re right I can very clearly see his penis. His penis is flapping about like an elephant’s trunk there yes.

Glenn why is he half naked?!?. Even if you think the performance is 'innocent' . Why doesn't he wear jogging bottom leggings, and shorts to cover his arse and bulge !?? .

[Liam-]

The thong is admittedly, wildly unnecessary, the rest of it though? Completely overhyped for an agenda

[GoldHeart]

The thong is admittedly, wildly unnecessary, the rest of it though? Completely overhyped for an agenda

Finally you admit the thong is innapropriate!!

[Redway]

The thong is admittedly, wildly unnecessary, the rest of it though? Completely overhyped for an agenda

Why are you only admitting to ‘something’ in it being inappropriate now?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The thong is admittedly, wildly unnecessary, the rest of it though? Completely overhyped for an agenda

and what is the agenda of the cross-dressing gay men who are targetting children with adult sex themes?

[Liam-]

Hadn’t seen the pictures of the thong, I refuse to read the daily mail so was going by what was posted on here, after seeing the thong, it’s obviously inappropriate, everything else, can be debated over

[GoldHeart]

And no it isn't 'overhyped' , anyone who is performing for children has to be child friendly and dress appropriately, it's not rocket science .

I've never seen a panto dame flashing his bulge and arse in front of children .

[Mystic Mock]

marvelous

Are you against family friendly Drag events? Don't get me wrong if something 18+ started happening I'm 100% on your side LT, but don't they normally read kids stories at the family friendly Drag events?

[GoldHeart]

Are you against family friendly Drag events? Don't get me wrong if something 18+ started happening I'm 100% on your side LT, but don't they normally read kids stories at the family friendly Drag events?

Problem is Mock we don't seem to see much of the child friendly drag Disney princess stuff , it seems the sexual adult innapropriate stuff is getting pushed more .

[Mystic Mock]

Looks to be a circus act to me however the outfit is a bit inappropriate for the age group.

That's what I think.

Why is anybody wearing bondage gear in front of kids?:umm2:

I honestly don't care what community this performer is apart of, it's ****ing weird.

[Liam-]

Problem is Mock we don't seem to see much of the child friendly drag Disney princess stuff , it seems the sexual adult innapropriate stuff is getting pushed more .

And who is pushing this narrative that the majority of these events have ‘inappropriate themes’? And ignores all the legitimately family friendly drag events? You’re almost there

[Liam-]

Also, I’ve just clocked the title of the thread, I didn’t realise Ariel gymnastics counted as ‘bondage’ these days

[GoldHeart]

And who is pushing this narrative that the majority of these events have ‘inappropriate themes’? And ignores all the legitimately family friendly drag events? You’re almost there

Even if you think the right wing media is making drag & LGBTQ community look bad , it still doesn't change the fact that this performance was NOT suitable for children or toddlers !! , Like am I speaking in tongues here !?? :umm2::facepalm: .

And I would be saying exactly the same thing of it was a straight man ,& woman dancing sexually and wearing bondage gear with their arses out !! .

Like I said ....I've never seen a panto dame half naked in front of kids .

[Mystic Mock]

Problem is Mock we don't seem to see much of the child friendly drag Disney princess stuff , it seems the sexual adult innapropriate stuff is getting pushed more .

Oh I can tell that some of these performers are pushing the boundaries imo.

However I am open to the fact that the Media won't report on the real family friendly Drag performers because it won't get them clicks like these sexualized ones are giving them.

[Mystic Mock]

Also, I’ve just clocked the title of the thread, I didn’t realise Ariel gymnastics counted as ‘bondage’ these days

Tbf the gear does look like bondage.

[GoldHeart]

Oh I can tell that some of these performers are pushing the boundaries imo.

However I am open to the fact that the Media won't report on the real family friendly Drag performers because it won't get them clicks like these sexualized ones are giving them.

Well the sexualised adult stuff should stay away from children, then we wouldn't have this problem in the media .

[Liam-]

Bondage gear? So if he took the straps off, you’d all be fine with the shorts and boots?

[Glenn.]

Are you against family friendly Drag events? Don't get me wrong if something 18+ started happening I'm 100% on your side LT, but don't they normally read kids stories at the family friendly Drag events?

LT thinks drag queens are peadophiles

[Beso]

They’re learning tolerance

The tolerance of his thong.

[Liam-]

I don’t for a second believe that it’s entirely about what drag queens wear, a queen could come out in a kaftan and balaclava and people would still find issues with it, it’s fully about not wanting drag queens to be accepted and integrated into general society and attempting to smear an entire demographic as something unsavoury and worthy of being hidden away

[Glenn.]

We should all just go back to LGBTQ+ being killed in the streets.

[Glenn.]

I don’t for a second believe that it’s entirely about what drag queens wear, a queen could come out in a kaftan and balaclava and people would still find issues with it, it’s fully about not wanting drag queens to be accepted and integrated into general society and attempting to smear an entire demographic as something unsavoury and worthy of being hidden away

Couldn’t put it better myself. It’s very obvious from certain members. The same member in fact that’s made about three threads about drag queens this week.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh I can tell that some of these performers are pushing the boundaries imo.

However I am open to the fact that the Media won't report on the real family friendly Drag performers because it won't get them clicks like these sexualized ones are giving them.

"real family friendly Drag performers "

Mock what on earth are you on about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Couldn’t put it better myself. It’s very obvious from certain members. The same member in fact that’s made about three threads about drag queens this week.

Actual members make threads

You should try it

it may stop the negativity 24/7

:spin:

[Beso]

Hadn’t seen the pictures of the thong, I refuse to read the daily mail so was going by what was posted on here, after seeing the thong, it’s obviously inappropriate, everything else, can be debated over

So if you now see the thong being inappropriate in front of kids, what do you think should happen to the offender ?

[Glenn.]

Actual members make threads

You should try it

it may stop the negativity 24/7

:spin:

I’m allowed to post anti drag stuff because it counts as contribution.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’m allowed to post anti drag stuff because it counts as contribution.

anti drag?

do you read what you post?

as TS said to you specifically

your obsession with culture war victory betrays your actual position as a member

be real and people will value your contributions here

[Glenn.]

anti drag?

do you read what you post?

as TS said to you specifically

your obsession with culture war victory betrays your actual position as a member

be real and people will value your contributions here

If you’re the level of ‘real’ I’ll happily not contribute anything

[GoldHeart]

If you’re the level of ‘real’ I’ll happily not contribute anything

The day we see panto performers in thongs with their arses hanging out ,then you can scream and shout all you want . But that's never happened or been accepted:shrug:.

Even circus performers wear more , it's usually full body leotards covered up etc and other proper costumes. I've never seen any of them dressed in a sleazy or smutty way.

[Glenn.]

Chat amongst yourselves in your little echo chamber. I’m not interested in engaging with you anymore

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Glenn.]

Lol more propaganda

[Oliver_W]

And ignores all the legitimately family friendly drag events?

Which ones?

[Oliver_W]

The anti trans rhetoric on here is alarming. Can you all just go into a private chat thread and be hateful

Quote a single anti-trans post in this entire thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Which ones?

none

its like family friendly pole dancing events

sick to the core

[Crimson Dynamo]

Which ones?

none

its like family friendly pole dancing events

sick to the core

[Mystic Mock]

Well the sexualised adult stuff should stay away from children, then we wouldn't have this problem in the media .

I agree with you to an extent.

I do find it interesting that the Media only like to report on the bad apples within the Drag community though.

[Mystic Mock]

Bondage gear? So if he took the straps off, you’d all be fine with the shorts and boots?

It would probably still be a bit weird going by your hypothetical scenario, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's necessarily sexual.

[bots]

I agree with you to an extent.

I do find it interesting that the Media only like to report on the bad apples within the Drag community though.

well, they are the ones trying to indoctrinate kids, so you would expect the media to focus on them :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

LT thinks drag queens are peadophiles

Well personally I don't agree with LT on that.

I get that this stuff is unusual from LT's perspective because of him being from a different generation, but I honestly believe that it's not helpful calling an entire group Paedophiles.

No offence intended towards LT btw.

[Mystic Mock]

"real family friendly Drag performers "

Mock what on earth are you on about?

Well there are some Drag Acts that teach in these Schools by reading kids Books.

Unless things like Charlie And The Chocolate Factory are CP now?

[Mystic Mock]

Chat amongst yourselves in your little echo chamber. I’m not interested in engaging with you anymore

Allowing an echo chamber to form is one of the things that's wrong in society nowadays.

Basically members such as yourself and Liam are very valuable members to the Forum imo, especially as you both tend to offer the alternative viewpoint which is really good for the Forum.

[Mystic Mock]

well, they are the ones trying to indoctrinate kids, so you would expect the media to focus on them :laugh:

My point being that there's no balance from the Media.

If we go by their reports, every single Drag Queen is being sexual in front of kids (or at least up for debate) personally I don't like it when I feel like the Media targets certain people or groups.

First it was people who play Video Games, then people on benefits, then Remainers, then Harry & Meghan, and lately it does seem like the Media keeps painting the Drag stuff in a certain light based off of a few weirdos within the community.

Basically it's more of the Media dividing everyone so that we don't pay attention to what our leaders are up to.

[Oliver_W]

Well there are some Drag Acts that teach in these Schools by reading kids Books.

Unless things like Charlie And The Chocolate Factory are CP now?

How often do they read general children's books as opposed to LGBT related stuff?

[Redway]

Well personally I don't agree with LT on that.

I get that this stuff is unusual from LT's perspective because of him being from a different generation, but I honestly believe that it's not helpful calling an entire group Paedophiles.

No offence intended towards LT btw.

I haven’t read this thread that deeply but I doubt that’s what LT was saying.

[Mystic Mock]

How often do they read general children's books as opposed to LGBT related stuff?

Tbh I don't know.

[Mystic Mock]

I haven’t read this thread that deeply but I doubt that’s what LT was saying.

I'm just going with Glenn on if he is right about what LT was saying.

[Alf]

Empowering!


Look what this ideology is doing to your. Grandad/Dad/uncle/husband/brother/cousin/boyfriend/son/nephew

Apparently, this makes them brave and you should be proud of them.

I watched to the end, so that means you have to. It's your punishment for allowing this to happen.



1631373717631799297

[Oliver_W]

Tbh I don't know.

I'm save you the trouble - Drag Queen Storytime is aaaaalll about the LGBT.

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1631261502408740868?s=46&t=4Bt0aqTthADTQG3kMIaXcg


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[Redway]

I'm just going with Glenn on if he is right about what LT was saying.

I really, really doubt that’s what LT was really saying at all. And I’m sure Glenn knows that.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/FreeWomanLeahy/status/1629507092263366656?s=20


Yes LT


That so wrong
it is not for all ages.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/02/13/68258407-11810305-image-a-39_1677762564695.jpg

One lady Filming it


A clip of this wrong event
was on the One Hour
GBnewsHD Newspaper review


The Presenter
said "better make sure 5PM repeat of this,
does not have that video clip."

[Cherie]

I really, really doubt that’s what LT was really saying at all. And I’m sure Glenn knows that.

Indeed

Incidentally drag queens are not always part of the community ...they can also be straight men, at least that is how it used to be,

[Redway]

Either you want to give parents, especially mothers, the right to be in control of what their children are exposed to, based on what they think is acceptable and appropriate for their own family and children, or you don’t, you can’t have it both ways, no matter how much you want to



Sex education is fine for the appropriate ages it’s at now, I do however believe that social studies at an appropriate level for different ages , would be incredibly beneficial for society as a whole in the long run, thanks for confirming that young children are not being taught about sex like the right wing media are trying to make people believe though

So what are hairy ogres in thongs doing at a pre-nursery and why are you defending these silly people?

[user104658]

I don’t for a second believe that it’s entirely about what drag queens wear, a queen could come out in a kaftan and balaclava and people would still find issues with it, it’s fully about not wanting drag queens to be accepted and integrated into general society and attempting to smear an entire demographic as something unsavoury and worthy of being hidden away

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

[Niamh.]

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

Even Rupaul came out and said something to that effect originally but he had to back track when the mob came for him

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/6/17085244/rupaul-trans-women-drag-queens-interview-controversy

[user104658]

Even Rupaul came out and said something to that effect originally but he had to back track when the mob came for him

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/6/17085244/rupaul-trans-women-drag-queens-interview-controversy

I feel bad for RuPaul ... he was quite clear on what HIS drag race was about, almost got "cancelled" for it, backtracked, had a trans woman (previous drag queen) on the show doing drag, who quite predictably ended up being like "Uhh actually this isn't for me any more, it feels like caricaturing and is making me very uncomfortable" showing that RuPaul was right all along :shrug:. It was a disaster and the show hasn't been the same since all of this.

I actually find that traditional drag if you take it right back to the core, which is clearly RuPaul's thoughts on it, is that it's really about satiring and pointing out the absurdity of gender and gender norms as a concept. It's one of the major sticking points of gender ideology, because it's completely AT ODDS with identifying as trans. It's really not possible to justify life-and-health-altering sex reassignment surgeries whilst also accepting the meaninglessness of gender norms... the philosophies are not compatible. It should be an ideological battleground but the blinkers are firmly in place for the sake of allyship.

[smudgie]

Poor sad women, dragging their babies with them to get their jollies.
Find a ruddy babysitter and stop hiding behind your babies.:fist:

[Zizu]

Poor sad women, dragging their babies with them to get their jollies.
Find a ruddy babysitter and stop hiding behind your babies.:fist:


You may well have a point given that babies apparently understand and take in far more than we ever imagined at a very early age


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[Livia]

Taking the kids into town later... There's a stripper on at the Boilermaker's Arms. Wouldn't want them to miss it.

[Cherie]

Taking the kids into town later... There's a stripper on at the Boilermaker's Arms. Wouldn't want them to miss it.

Don’t forget to let them watch the Texas Chainsaw massacre at the weekend

[Cherie]

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.


Yes

[Mystic Mock]

Don’t forget to let them watch the Texas Chainsaw massacre at the weekend

God that one scene in the 2003 version would scar a child for life.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1631503400989863936?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1630959458435121153?s=20

[user104658]

I swear this thread alone is a sad microcosm of the mechanisms at play all across the western world at the moment. Really troubling - where is the balance? I mean it is here in places but what, maybe 20% of the thread... and I think that's a pretty accurate reflection. A tragic cycle of misrepresentation, press hyperbole, alienation, defensiveness and emboldening.

I don't think any of this is going to end well at all. For anyone but a very, very select few. I really do increasingly get the impression we're being played like fiddles, by people who look at us like we're ants.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BTW that pervert trans man teacher in Canada has FINALLY been suspended

as he was seen at weekends dressed in mens clothing

:rolleyes:


Once again, if you pander to a delusion then expect to get played

embarrassing

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/15/62657313-11235121-The_Halton_District_School_Board_suggested_it_woul d_be_a_violati-a-1_1663771877557.jpg

[Oliver_W]

BTW that pervert trans man teacher in Canada has FINALLY been suspended

as he was seen at weekends dressed in mens clothing

:rolleyes:


Once again, if you pander to a delusion then expect to get played

embarrassing

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/15/62657313-11235121-The_Halton_District_School_Board_suggested_it_woul d_be_a_violati-a-1_1663771877557.jpg

Doesn't that psycho have his own thread? Trans isn't the same as drag, amd Canada isn't England.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Doesn't that psycho have his own thread? Trans isn't the same as drag, amd Canada isn't England.

it did but have you ever used the search function on Tibb??

[Beso]

I swear this thread alone is a sad microcosm of the mechanisms at play all across the western world at the moment. Really troubling - where is the balance? I mean it is here in places but what, maybe 20% of the thread... and I think that's a pretty accurate reflection. A tragic cycle of misrepresentation, press hyperbole, alienation, defensiveness and emboldening.

I don't think any of this is going to end well at all. For anyone but a very, very select few. I really do increasingly get the impression we're being played like fiddles, by people who look at us like we're ants.



FAO alf.

[Mystic Mock]

BTW that pervert trans man teacher in Canada has FINALLY been suspended

as he was seen at weekends dressed in mens clothing

:rolleyes:


Once again, if you pander to a delusion then expect to get played

embarrassing

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/15/62657313-11235121-The_Halton_District_School_Board_suggested_it_woul d_be_a_violati-a-1_1663771877557.jpg

What's Transgender stuff got to do with Drag performers though?

[Livia]

What's Transgender stuff got to do with Drag performers though?

They're both men pretending to be women and seem to strive to exhibit the very worst traits of real women.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What's Transgender stuff got to do with Drag performers though?

I dont know Mock maybe ask these people?

https://twitter.com/TransActionBloc/status/1628349057050501125?s=20

[Beso]

They're both men pretending to be women and seem to strive to exhibit the very worst traits of real women.


As much as I agree with that statement there is one I can think off that makes me think there are a few exceptions.

Imo, this is one strong women in this video.

JPTdPM0xJ1g

[Beso]

QER8VpZ7JGs

[GoldHeart]

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1630959458435121153?s=20

Looks like Ursula from Little Mermaid

[Beso]

It cant be denied that, that is a manly hand grasp of those dollars.

[Beso]

That ones definatly heavier than a duck.

[Beso]

Imagine it though
.

You are a mom, and you e dragged your many pamby husband along with the kids for your woke art project wedensday learning day...expecting a nice lean almost feminine looking drag queen. Then you get that..a cross between Victoria salts, evil edna, and an ephhilump....

Without a flask of camomile tea as well.

[Zizu]

Imagine it though
.

You are a mom, and you e dragged your many pamby husband along with the kids for your woke art project wedensday learning day...expecting a nice lean almost feminine looking drag queen. Then you get that..a cross between Victoria salts, evil edna, and an ephhilump....

Without a flask of camomile tea as well.


Sadly, unlikely to have a partner let alone a husband…


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[Oliver_W]

That ones definatly heavier than a duck.

" ... and therefore ..."

[Strictly Jake]

It's not for me. But if adults want to go and watch shows like this then that's up to them. It's organised like it's for babies though and I don't get that bit at all. It seems completely the wrong audience. Like if they were maybe dressed as Disney princesses or something and singing those sort of songs then it makes more sense. But they weren't. So I get why people are kicking off about it.

[Strictly Jake]

Also it's not completely on topic but circuses have been mentioned in the thread. We went as a family to a circus a few months back. There was a dwarf man. In the show they pretended he was a baby. He was dressed as a baby, he was being pushed around in a pram and there were baby crying noises being blasted out. The whole audience were in stunned silence, it seemed highly inappropriate. Does that make them anti dwarf? No. It was a completely inappropriate act, similar with this, because people are stunned and shocked by what the drag queens are doing in front of baby and toddlers does that make them anti gay? No.

[Mystic Mock]

Also it's not completely on topic but circuses have been mentioned in the thread. We went as a family to a circus a few months back. There was a dwarf man. In the show they pretended he was a baby. He was dressed as a baby, he was being pushed around in a pram and there were baby crying noises being blasted out. The whole audience were in stunned silence, it seemed highly inappropriate. Does that make them anti dwarf? No. It was a completely inappropriate act, similar with this, because people are stunned and shocked by what the drag queens are doing in front of baby and toddlers does that make them anti gay? No.

Completely off topic for a second, but it's good to see you back on the Forum.

[Strictly Jake]

Thanks Mock

[Beso]

https://www.facebook.com/100085939555144/videos/217262884120097/

[arista]

https://www.facebook.com/100085939555144/videos/217262884120097/


Yes Very Sexual


It would be better if they were fully clothed
like, at a Circus

[GoldHeart]

Also it's not completely on topic but circuses have been mentioned in the thread. We went as a family to a circus a few months back. There was a dwarf man. In the show they pretended he was a baby. He was dressed as a baby, he was being pushed around in a pram and there were baby crying noises being blasted out. The whole audience were in stunned silence, it seemed highly inappropriate. Does that make them anti dwarf? No. It was a completely inappropriate act, similar with this, because people are stunned and shocked by what the drag queens are doing in front of baby and toddlers does that make them anti gay? No.

Great post :clap1:

Like I said Jake ....if this was female exotic dancers or men & women in revealing clothing together dancing suggestively ,it would still be wrong & innapropriate :shrug:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fact that these gay men doing it dont see it is wholly inappropriate is very worrying

[Zizu]

The fact that these gay men doing it dont see it is wholly inappropriate is very worrying


You only have to look at them to realise that their judgement is impaired tbh


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[letmein]

The fact that these gay men doing it dont see it is wholly inappropriate is very worrying

Gay? Many of these dudes are trans or non-binary and all that jazz.

[user104658]

Gay? Many of these dudes are trans or non-binary and all that jazz.

I don't think there was any real need to specify "gay" or anything else - the only relevant point it that they're adults, and it's concerning that any adult wouldn't see this as ranging from debatably inappropriate for infants (the fully clothed drag) to outright, unquestionably, extremely dodgy (the naked men in thongs barely concealing their ballsacks doing the splits in the air).

[Niamh.]

I don't think there was any real need to specify "gay" or anything else - the only relevant point it that they're adults, and it's concerning that any adult wouldn't see this as ranging from debatably inappropriate for infants (the fully clothed drag) to outright, unquestionably, extremely dodgy (the naked men in thongs barely concealing their ballsacks doing the splits in the air).

Exactly and honestly it's concerning(and baffling) that people are defending that too, how does this kind of stuff help the LGBT movement? Why the need to make this kind of adult entertainment "for kids" I really don't get it unless there's a push to remove age boundaries too which is extremely concerning

[Cherie]

These acts are jumping in the bandwagon of no questions asked or you will lose your livelihood

[user104658]

Exactly and honestly it's concerning(and baffling) that people are defending that too, how does this kind of stuff help the LGBT movement?

It doesn't and I think it does active harm - but to detach for a second and try to see it from a wider viewpoint I genuinely do understand why people are compelled to go into full-on "defense mode" and concede nothing. There's a clear feeling of "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" in the LGBT community at the moment, because the complicated factor is, there ARE of course genuinely hateful people and bigots increasingly jumping on the bandwagon with these things. People all of a sudden on the warpath with the LGBT community "in defense of women and children" when you know these people do not give a toss about women or children. And the religious zealots are increasingly wriggling out of the woodwork too.

So I get the instinct to "Hold the line" and front it out but it's basically having the opposite effect as far as I can see. It makes it all too easy for those people to say "look at what they're defending, they're all the same!".

I've said thoughout this thread ... if it wasn't such a hot-button and public topic, I really, REALLY doubt most of the people defending these shows wouldn't concede that it's not really appropriate entertainment for children.

[Niamh.]

These acts are jumping in the bandwagon of no questions asked or you will lose your livelihood

We have to be very very careful that movements like this aren't used for nefarious reasons, it has happened in the past but people have either forgotten that or aren't aware. ***Disclaimer, I am BY NO MEANS suggesting that gay men are paedophiles, I'm saying that paedophiles will absolutely jump on the back of any movement they think will get them closer to normalising child exploitation and abuse. I didn't make up this story below, it actually happened. The LGBT movement should be more angry than anyone else.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

[user104658]

We have to be very very careful that movements like this aren't used for nefarious reasons, it has happened in the past but people have either forgotten that or aren't aware. ***Disclaimer, I am BY NO MEANS suggesting that gay men are paedophiles, I'm saying that paedophiles will absolutely jump on the back of any movement they think will get them closer to normalising child exploitation and abuse. I didn't make up this story below, it actually happened. The LGBT movement should be more angry than anyone else.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

I fully agree but as above I'm increasingly acknowledging that there's a risk of being blinkered to exactly the same on the flipside. Or to really just put the elephant in the room in the bluntest terms possible;

- Yes, paedophiles are jumping on the back of the LGBT movement.

- Yes, bigots, evangelical nutjobs and (frankly) eugenicists are jumping on the back of women's/children's rights and safeguarding.


It's going to culminate in something truly awful. I'm really starting to believe that.

[Niamh.]

I fully agree but as above I'm increasingly acknowledging that there's a risk of being blinkered to exactly the same on the flipside. Or to really just put the elephant in the room in the bluntest terms possible;

- Yes, paedophiles are jumping on the back of the LGBT movement.

- Yes, bigots, evangelical nutjobs and (frankly) eugenicists are jumping on the back of women's/children's rights and safeguarding.


It's going to culminate in something truly awful. I'm really starting to believe that.

I 100% agree with you on all fronts

[Crimson Dynamo]

The NY Times is currently internally imploding with the whole Trans row stuff

[user104658]

Not to get al Alf, but sometimes I swear it feels like it's all been nudged this way deliberately and there's just a tonne of collateral damage. Mostly amongst the young and the mentally/emotionally vulnerable. "Don't Look Up" etc.

[Oliver_W]

to outright, unquestionably, extremely dodgy (the naked men in thongs barely concealing their ballsacks doing the splits in the air).
I thought they "were learning tolerance" :rolleyes:

[GoldHeart]

We have to be very very careful that movements like this aren't used for nefarious reasons, it has happened in the past but people have either forgotten that or aren't aware. ***Disclaimer, I am BY NO MEANS suggesting that gay men are paedophiles, I'm saying that paedophiles will absolutely jump on the back of any movement they think will get them closer to normalising child exploitation and abuse. I didn't make up this story below, it actually happened. The LGBT movement should be more angry than anyone else.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

:umm2::shocked:
And this is happening again , the fact that parents/ mother's think it's ok to take their little kids to these drag shows .

[user104658]

Back in a previous life when I ran a forum, I had a long, interesting and utterly ****ing disturbing exchange with a "minor-attracted-persons-advocate" who was disappointed about disallowed access to a forum full of young new mums. This would be 12+ years ago now. He was educated and articulate and trying to mount very real arguments for why it was fine, and why they were a victimised and marginalised group. I was of course only humouring the conversation to actually try to understand what the **** he was about - he ended up blocked, banned, IP banned and I sent the whole conversation to his ISP as well though I doubt they were interested.

It led to us thoroughly vetting "unknown" people before they were even allowed to join. I'd say, a very dangerous individual with very twisted thinking, and 100% disingenuously using the language of oppression not only as a shield but as a battering ram.

They are absolutely out there.

[GoldHeart]

Back in a previous life when I ran a forum, I had a long, interesting and utterly ****ing disturbing exchange with a "minor-attracted-persons-advocate" who was disappointed about disallowed access to a forum full of young new mums. This would be 12+ years ago now. He was educated and articulate and trying to mount very real arguments for why it was fine, and why they were a victimised and marginalised group. I was of course only humouring the conversation to actually try to understand what the **** he was about - he ended up blocked, banned, IP banned and I sent the whole conversation to his ISP as well though I doubt they were interested.

It led to us thoroughly vetting "unknown" people before they were even allowed to join. I'd say, a very dangerous individual with very twisted thinking, and 100% disingenuously using the language of oppression not only as a shield but as a battering ram.

They are absolutely out there.

There's no way I could entertain a sicko like that , they will never think what they're doing is wrong.

The problem aswell is how they're trying to attach themselves to movements, obviously paedophilia & perverts have always been around ...and I wish the same outrage was there for teachers grooming students, or girls from all over the world forced into child marriage etc . Those things barely get talked about now.

Think how many boys have grown up casually saying their mother's friend, or neighbour seduced them when they were a minor !? Like wtf . But their abusers/ groomers never joined a 'movement', but they were still sneaky and manipulative. Most of them get away with it aswell.

[Tom4784]

Those videos made the rounds a few days ago, they are deepfaked. You all are falling for it pretty easily.

Right wing losers making fake videos to get mad over because their grievances have no basis in reality. It's simply what the right wing is these days, too much brain rot.

[Tom4784]

Always look at the lighting in videos pushed by right wing extremists, deepfakes can be convincing, but the difference in lighting is always the giveaway.

[Oliver_W]

Always look at the lighting in videos pushed by right wing extremists, deepfakes can be convincing, but the difference in lighting is always the giveaway.

Which specific ones were deepfaked?

[Niamh.]

Always look at the lighting in videos pushed by right wing extremists, deepfakes can be convincing, but the difference in lighting is always the giveaway.

https://www.garbageday.email/p/deepfakes-arent-as-good-as-you-think

"But, if you’re desperate for proof that this is real and not a deepfake, you can clearly see in the next shot that the floor, the mats, and the placement of the crowd all match other photos and videos of the event. And I don’t want to get all American Vandal on you, but you can even match up the walls. Also, there are additional photos and videos of the tagged performers being at this venue. And, once again, the event organizers have literally released a statement. And I’d have to assume that if they were the target of an elaborate AI-powered hoax, that would come up at some point. Also, if you were a right-wing maniac making a deepfake of a drag performance, why would you go out of your way to splice different footage of a performer who was at the actual event to make them look worse?"

[Crimson Dynamo]

someone has been on the kool-aid


https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/craphead.gif

[GoldHeart]

Those videos made the rounds a few days ago, they are deepfaked. You all are falling for it pretty easily.

Right wing losers making fake videos to get mad over because their grievances have no basis in reality. It's simply what the right wing is these days, too much brain rot.

Deepfake ??? Really evidence please? :think::idc: .

[Tom4784]

https://www.garbageday.email/p/deepfakes-arent-as-good-as-you-think

"But, if you’re desperate for proof that this is real and not a deepfake, you can clearly see in the next shot that the floor, the mats, and the placement of the crowd all match other photos and videos of the event. And I don’t want to get all American Vandal on you, but you can even match up the walls. Also, there are additional photos and videos of the tagged performers being at this venue. And, once again, the event organizers have literally released a statement. And I’d have to assume that if they were the target of an elaborate AI-powered hoax, that would come up at some point. Also, if you were a right-wing maniac making a deepfake of a drag performance, why would you go out of your way to splice different footage of a performer who was at the actual event to make them look worse?"

So the event wasn't for children and was literally advertised as a break from children for parents, and the right wing are making out that the opposite is true to prove a false point?

What I said still stands, right wing extremists inventing **** to be mad about.

[Oliver_W]

Back in a previous life when I ran a forum,

Your posting style etc has always reminded me of someone who used to (co-)run a forum of which I was a member ... was your screenname at one point... an Egyptian god?

[Niamh.]

So the event wasn't for children and was literally advertised as a break from children for parents, and the right wing are making out that the opposite is true to prove a false point?

What I said still stands, right wing extremists inventing **** to be mad about.

I think that's already been mentioned in the thread somewhere and certainly the question on why the mothers would bring their children to it was asked, I don't however think that takes any blame off the performers for going ahead with the show when they saw there were children there.

[GoldHeart]

So the event wasn't for children and was literally advertised as a break from children for parents, and the right wing are making out that the opposite is true to prove a false point?

What I said still stands, right wing extremists inventing **** to be mad about.

But it wasn't a deepfake

[Beso]

Still people try and defend the indefensible. Pretty sad amd worrying tbh.

[Tom4784]

someone has been on the kool-aid


https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/craphead.gif

Says the guy that literally swallows any and all right wing propaganda without question as long as it tells him what he wants to hear. Your jibes are nothing but projection.

[Tom4784]

I think that's already been mentioned in the thread somewhere and certainly the question on why the mothers would bring their children to it was asked, I don't however think that takes any blame off the performers for going ahead with the show when they saw there were children there.

If a band gets paid to play an event, and the audience is different to what they expected, should they give up their time and fee to not perform? No, it's the fault of the organisers for allowing children in, and the fault of the parents for bringing the kids with them.

[Tom4784]

But it wasn't a deepfake

It's still manufactured and misleading outrage for gullible fools to get mad about.

[Cherie]

Can you show how the show was advertised, that would help your claim somewhat

[Niamh.]

If a band gets paid to play an event, and the audience is different to what they expected, should they give up their time and fee to not perform? No, it's the fault of the organisers for allowing children in, and the fault of the parents for bringing the kids with them.

I would expect the organisers of the event/security to not admit minors if the event was 18+ absolutely.

[GoldHeart]

It's still manufactured and misleading outrage for gullible fools to get mad about.

What you said was also misleading by calling it "deepfake" .

And plenty have already said ,the mothers should never have taken their children to this event. It was obviously a adult performance .

[Tom4784]

What you said was also misleading by calling it "deepfake" .

And plenty have already said ,the mothers should never have taken their children to this event. It was obviously a adult performance .

Irrelevant, the right wing are still being misleading by acting like this was an event for kids. You're splitting hairs trying to find something to cling to.

Can you show how the show was advertised, that would help your claim somewhat

Literally in the article Niamh posted, do keep up.

[GoldHeart]

If a band gets paid to play an event, and the audience is different to what they expected, should they give up their time and fee to not perform? No, it's the fault of the organisers for allowing children in, and the fault of the parents for bringing the kids with them.

A band is different performing for hundreds of people , is not really the same comparison is it . Plenty of underage kids use to sneak out to go to gigs . It is still wrong ,but how many of the musicians will know unless they meet & greet them individually?.

This drag performance was in a smaller intimate setting in a
room , the performers are right up close in the faces of the parents & children. Once the performers knew children were there ....they should have stopped the performance or changed to make it more child friendly.

I know some drag Queens will swear their acts are "for adults", but someone from Rupaul's drag race admitted that even though he knows his shows are for adults he still wouldn't kick a kid out who's not meant to be there ,so they're not exactly helping themselves are they .

[GoldHeart]

Only thing I'm clinging to are facts Tom

[Cherie]

Irrelevant, the right wing are still being misleading by acting like this was an event for kids. You're splitting hairs trying to find something to cling to.



Literally in the article Niamh posted, do keep up.



Nope just a rebuttal to your claim it was a fake video, I can't see any advertisment for the event itself?

[Niamh.]

[/B]


Nope just a rebuttal to your claim it was a fake video, I can't see any advertisment for the event itself?

According to the article in the OP :

The CabaBabaRave show brands itself as a 'little slice of afternoon delight' that intersperses cabaret with 'captivating baby sensory moments' before 'ending in a rave'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810305/Fury-Drag-act-BABIES-Semi-naked-man-thigh-high-boots-performs-bondage-routine.html

[Beso]

This is how the honor oak in london worded their flyer...please pay attention to the first line.

"Drop the kids off" for an hour of fun storytelling magic, where they will learn about diversity, inclusivity and a world where they ALL belong!! A world where everything is a brighter, more colourful and let's be honest a lot more FABULOUS

[user104658]

Those videos made the rounds a few days ago, they are deepfaked. You all are falling for it pretty easily.

Right wing losers making fake videos to get mad over because their grievances have no basis in reality. It's simply what the right wing is these days, too much brain rot.

See this is what happens when you spend too long on Discord :umm2:.

[Tom4784]

See this is what happens when you spend too long on Discord :umm2:.

Geez, I remember when you could actually come up with a decent retort. Extremism rots the brain, I guess.

[Beso]

I guess the mothers happiness comes before their babies..

[Tom4784]

Women exist for more than just raising kids, Parmnion. Everyone needs a break at some point.

[Beso]

Women exist for more than just raising kids, Parmnion. Everyone needs a break at some point.

Perhaps they should have left the babies at home then so they could have that break.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Women exist for more than just raising kids, Parmnion. Everyone needs a break at some point.

watching a hairy pervert do the splits and simulate sex to small children is hardly a break

[Cherie]

Women exist for more than just raising kids, Parmnion. Everyone needs a break at some point.

God forbid they could organise a night out and get a babysitter, its what most normal parents do, not drag their kids along to watch inappropriate acts because they dont want to sing nursery rhymes

[Oliver_W]

Women exist for more than just raising kids, Parmnion. Everyone needs a break at some point.

Why are they taking their kids to this ... break from the kids?

If it was an event attended by adults only, no-one (with a brain) would care. But they took their small children to the event - that's the part people with which people have a problem. No matter how it was advertised :joker:

[Beso]

Cmon dezzy..

Why are they taking thier kids to the show if it's a break they are after.

[GoldHeart]

Women exist for more than just raising kids, Parmnion. Everyone needs a break at some point.

Do why did they take the babies/ kids with them ??:conf:

[Cherie]

Why are they taking their kids to this ... break from the kids?

If it was an event attended by adults only, no-one (with a brain) would care. But they took their small children to the event - that's the part people with which people have a problem. No matter how it was advertised :joker:

Cmon dezzy..

Why are they taking thier kids to the show if it's a break they are after.

Do why did they take the babies/ kids with them ??:conf:

No response because there is no justification...I want a break from the kids so I will just subject them to adult themes

If this was Magic Mike or similar hetty soft porn he wouldn’t be so silent

[Cherie]

According to the article in the OP :

The CabaBabaRave show brands itself as a 'little slice of afternoon delight' that intersperses cabaret with 'captivating baby sensory moments' before 'ending in a rave'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810305/Fury-Drag-act-BABIES-Semi-naked-man-thigh-high-boots-performs-bondage-routine.html

The event was not aimed at children he says :umm2:

[user104658]

Geez, I remember when you could actually come up with a decent retort. Extremism rots the brain, I guess.

It wasn't a retort it was an actual observation stated flippantly - the post quoted was completely off-the-wall, in a very Discord/Reddit/"social media algorithm" way. I'm not partisan at all in pointing that out - ask Alf, I'm always pointing out his Reddit/YouTube Conspiracy Wormhole/MAGA/Q/Savior Trump propaganda for what it is as well (he's not a fan of me doing that).

I also feel that I have some of the few balanced views on this issue on the whole site fanx :hee:.

I don't disagree AT ALL that these things are used and highlighted by the agenda-driven press to stoke the fires in the bellies of outrage, and for reasons that have little if anything to do with what's actually taken place. I'm just also uninvested enough to see that there's no "culture war" without two armies and that the "other side" is being played like a fiddle as well. Baited into defending the borderline indefensible, in the process bolstering the righteous indignation of those opposed.

It's a tale as old as time. Religion has been used to divide and conquer for as long as there's been civilization... and this is just a 21st century spin on the same mechanism.

These shows are obviously not happening "all over the place" - the people involved in this are very niche groups and don't by any stretch of the imagination represent that VAST majority of the LGBTQ community. People with a general axe to grind will try to imply that it is representative. They are wrong. And yet, because of "sides", people flock and scrabble to make excuses and defend something they'd never have tried to defend 5 years ago... because they don't want to lose a trench. All it does is make those people think that they're more right than ever. "Look they're all defending the cock-waggling baby strippers! I KNEW IT!!"

[GoldHeart]

No response because there is no justification...I want a break from the kids so I will just subject them to adult themes

If this was Magic Mike or similar hetty soft porn he wouldn’t be so silent

Yeah I wonder what Tom would say if this was Magic Mike . It's like when I mentioned Exotic dancers in general, babies & kids should not be watching adult 18+ shows . It's as simple as that :shrug: .