I've asked it before and I'll ask it again -

[Swan]

If this Country is such a hellhole (according to some) why are people dying, literally, to get here on the daily?

Name a Country who houses, helps, and supports financially (sometimes, agreeably to a minimal extent) more people than Great Britain does?

The proof is there. At the top of the Tories, they look out for the rich, sure. But immigration and illegal immigration is constantly, and consistently on the up, why?

Yes, for it's citizens this country under Tory control aint great, food banks, the rising prices etc...But is it really that bad? Honestly?

Im an anti Royalist, im not wonderfully patriotic, and i can agree the country, in parts, like the NHS is a mess. But those who keep saying how "siht" the country is probably don't know how good they've got things.

We're not crossing the Channel the opposite way are we?

I really hope this can be debated without the "the right are scum and hate every non white" and the left "are here to save the world" Neither is true!

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with you that there are far worse countries in terms of how they're run compared to the UK.

If we're being entirely honest though, the past 12 years have seen the UK go slowly downhill from our standards prior to David Cameron's first term.

[Oliver_W]

"Our ancestors did bad things hundreds of years ago, and our government got involved in numerous pointless wars, therefore we deserve it."

[Swan]

We must be among the most tolerant countries in the world too...

We celebrate diversity.

[Tom4784]

That's a whole lot of delusion.

To the rest of the world, the empire was a monster on par with the nazis. Genocides, famine and various other attrocities were commited by the empire. Unlike the germans, who do and will forever teach each new generation about Germany's actions in WW2 to prevent the same mistakes repeating again, we as a country refuse to be accountable for the past or acknowledge what the empire did. We are inflicted with arrogance and a lack of accountability as well as so much ****ing entitlement it's a wonder we've survived this long.

Modern day Britain is a nation of bootlickers that will gladly do whatever they're told to do and believe in by the tabloids and will constantly vote against their own interests with the delusion that things will eventually get better when they won't.

Also the constant rising rate in all kinds of hate crime makes the whole 'we celebrate diversity' spiel quite pointless. Patriotism is a blindfold, and too many people are willingly blind. Things will never truly get better until the bootlickers stop acting pissy when someone mentions the flaws of this country. The country is flawed to a serious degree and all these bootlickers who are all like 'This country is great, don't like it? LEAVE' are only allowing the rot to fester because they're too cowardly to face reality.

I'd rather embrace reality by pointing out the flaws in hopes they get fixed then pretend the boat isn't sinking as the water engulfs me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"To the rest of the world, the empire was a monster on par with the nazis."

i love posters who speak for the rest of the world

:laugh2:

Tom bringing the loz as per

Glenn can we get an Amen?

[Alf]

That's a whole lot of delusion.

To the rest of the world, the empire was a monster on par with the nazis. Genocides, famine and various other attrocities were commited by the empire. Unlike the germans, who do and will forever teach each new generation about Germany's actions in WW2 to prevent the same mistakes repeating again, we as a country refuse to be accountable for the past or acknowledge what the empire did. We are inflicted with arrogance and a lack of accountability as well as so much ****ing entitlement it's a wonder we've survived this long.

Modern day Britain is a nation of bootlickers that will gladly do whatever they're told to do and believe in by the tabloids and will constantly vote against their own interests with the delusion that things will eventually get better when they won't.

Also the constant rising rate in all kinds of hate crime makes the whole 'we celebrate diversity' spiel quite pointless. Patriotism is a blindfold, and too many people are willingly blind. Things will never truly get better until the bootlickers stop acting pissy when someone mentions the flaws of this country. The country is flawed to a serious degree and all these bootlickers who are all like 'This country is great, don't like it? LEAVE' are only allowing the rot to fester because they're too cowardly to face reality.

I'd rather embrace reality by pointing out the flaws in hopes they get fixed then pretend the boat isn't sinking as the water engulfs me.That's rubbish. Not all the people in those countries believe that. There are some that believe they were far better off being for the British empire.

I mean, this tiny little island fought, paid for and lost many, many lives to eradicate slavery from the World. The millions and millions of lives that were saved because of that are very thankful. And the millions of lives lost because the Empire fell are praying for a return.

What this little island did for the World is the greatest story in the history of mankind.

Sure, it's not all good, but the good outweighs the bad, which is more than can be said for every other country. If you only highlight the bad stuff, then of course your argument is going to be right. But why leave out the good stuff?

[Tom4784]

"To the rest of the world, the empire was a monster on par with the nazis."

i love posters who speak for the rest of the world

:laugh2:

Tom bringing the loz as per

Glenn can we get an Amen?

Oh look, it's the flip flopper, considering your changing views on cancel culture, you'll probably agree with me by the morning so your derision is all very flaccid.

[Tom4784]

That's rubbish. Not all the people in those countries believe that. There are some that believe they were far better off being for the British empire.

I mean, this tiny little island fought, paid for and lost many, many lives to eradicate slavery from the World. The millions and millions of lives that were saved because of that are very thankful. And the millions of lives lost because the Empire fell are praying for a return.

What this little island did for the World is the greatest story in the history of mankind.

Sure, it's not all good, but the good outweighs the bad, which is more than can be said for every other country. If you only highlight the bad stuff, then of course your argument is going to be right. But why leave out the good stuff?

Tell that to India, tell that to all the cultures we trampled over. There's nothing more brittish than ignorant people making out that the empire was good because people appreciated being conquered by us. Just too much delusion.

We didn't fight to stop slavery, we just profited from it quietly until we decided not to.

Nothing you say has any basis in reality and you are proving my point about insane amounts of arrogance basically being a core part of our identity.

'People loved being conquered by us and suffering for our benefit!'

JFC, the delusion.

[Swan]

Tell that to India, tell that to all the cultures we trampled over. There's nothing more brittish than ignorant people making out that the empire was good because people appreciated being conquered by us. Just too much delusion.

We didn't fight to stop slavery, we just profited from it quietly until we decided not to.

Nothing you say has any basis in reality and you are proving my point about insane amounts of arrogance basically being a core part of our identity.

'People loved being conquered by us and suffering for our benefit!'

JFC, the delusion.

Go live in one of these other countries and help them Dez.

[Alf]

Tell that to India, tell that to all the cultures we trampled over. There's nothing more brittish than ignorant people making out that the empire was good because people appreciated being conquered by us. Just too much delusion.

We didn't fight to stop slavery, we just profited from it quietly until we decided not to.

Nothing you say has any basis in reality and you are proving my point about insane amounts of arrogance basically being a core part of our identity.

'People loved being conquered by us and suffering for our benefit!'

JFC, the delusion.Some Indians would agree with you, I don't deny that. Some Indians would agree with me and I could show you that, if you want? (I can't be bothered to right now, but I will at a later date if you want?)

A lot of them moved to this country to escape their terrible lives and stay with the people that protected them.

[Swan]

Some Indians would agree with you, I don't deny that. Some Indians would agree with me and I could show you that, if you want? (I can't be bothered to right now, but I will at a later date if you want?)

A lot of them moved to this country to escape their terrible lives and stay with the people that protected them.

Yeah we kinda wanna forget that their own people gave zero sihts about them.

Like the rich get richer in India, Asia, Africa etc...So they risk their lives to get here

[Mystic Mock]

"Our ancestors did bad things hundreds of years ago, and our government got involved in numerous pointless wars, therefore we deserve it."

Obviously any country that gets attacked for things that happened before most of the current generation were even born is always ridiculous.

It goes for the UK, Germany, France and many other countries that seem to have their bad historical moments from decades ago thrown in their face by people who weren't even born back when the atrocity happened.

[Tom4784]

Go live in one of these other countries and help them Dez.

What a dumb thing to say, you're predictable and I already dealt with this lack of logic in my first post.

Some Indians would agree with you, I don't deny that. Some Indians would agree with me and I could show you that, if you want? (I can't be bothered to right now, but I will at a later date if you want?)

A lot of them moved to this country to escape their terrible lives and stay with the people that protected them.

I'm sure many indian people were happy that we basically facilitated a famine that killed millions of people. I'm sure indian soldiers were so happy that the empire tested chemical weapons on them. I bet Indian love that we stole millions, if not trillions from them during the empire's reign. I'm sure Indian people remember the Jallianwala massacre fondly. I'm sure they loved how Britain's parting gift to India resulted in the partition too.

It's unhinged how you think that people will be grateful for oppressing and murdering them.

I'd say you should try and learn what the empire was actually like for the people of the world, but we all know you prefer fantasy to reality.

[Alf]

What a dumb thing to say, you're predictable and I already dealt with this lack of logic in my first post.



I'm sure many indian people were happy that we basically facilitated a famine that killed millions of people. I'm sure indian soldiers were so happy that the empire tested chemical weapons on them. I bet Indian love that we stole millions, if not trillions from them during the empire's reign. I'm sure Indian people remember the Jallianwala massacre fondly. I'm sure they loved how Britain's parting gift to India resulted in the partition too.

It's unhinged how you think that people will be grateful for oppressing and murdering them.

I'd say you should try and learn what the empire was actually like for the people of the world, but we all know you prefer fantasy to reality.You're better off sticking to gender studies and fiction story writing. Those are your strengths. Just a suggestion from my observation.

God save the King

[Tom4784]

You're better off sticking to gender studies and fiction story writing. Those are your strengths. Just a suggestion from my observation.

God save the King

I mean, I'm dealing in facts here, and you're sticking your fingers in your eyes and going 'lalalalalala'.

India will never be grateful to us for the empire's occupation, nor should they. You should really learn some world history.

[Alf]

I mean, I'm dealing in facts here, and you're sticking your fingers in your eyes and going 'lalalalalala'.

India will never be grateful to us for the empire's occupation, nor should they. You should really learn some world history.You are a good warrior Dezzy, you should come and join us on our team. You would be a useful asset for us. You're always welcome, we'll leave the door ajar for you.

[Jordan.]

Tell that to India, tell that to all the cultures we trampled over. There's nothing more brittish than ignorant people making out that the empire was good because people appreciated being conquered by us. Just too much delusion.

We didn't fight to stop slavery, we just profited from it quietly until we decided not to.

Nothing you say has any basis in reality and you are proving my point about insane amounts of arrogance basically being a core part of our identity.

'People loved being conquered by us and suffering for our benefit!'

JFC, the delusion.

The same people you're having to explain this to are the loudest in making it their mission to save the kids from the grooming of the educational system yet they can't even study enough to undo their own.

I guess historical inaccuracies being taught doesn't matter, it's just the part where they try to make kids accepting of each other that's the real issue.

[Alf]

The same people you're having to explain this to are the loudest in making it their mission to save the kids from the grooming of the educational system yet they can't even study enough to undo their own.

I guess historical inaccuracies being taught doesn't matter, it's just the part where they try to make kids accepting of each other that's the real issue.Plato is in the building.

[Jordan.]

Here you go Alf you love having things broken down for you in short twitter videos

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[Alf]

Here you go Alf you love having things broken down for you in short twitter videos

1569999499065450501Like I said to Dezzy earlier in this thread. If you only concentrate on bad bits (which there are some) then your argument will always win. But when the good bits get put on the other end of the scales, then your argument will be destroyed.

I will happily destroy your argument by debating you on this. But luckily for you, right now Is not the time, I'm a bit pissed and about ready for bed.

[arista]

Here you go Alf you love having things broken down for you in short twitter videos

1569999499065450501


Yes Jordan
he has been on the Panel
Politics Live BBC2HD
Clever man.

Showing Carry on films
some filmed abroad, not connected
but I see why they used them

Yes Kenya
was Evil British Control, back then,
Clips were on Politics Live

[Cherie]

There are a myriad reasons why people come here, it can be because they speak English rather than French, have family members here, or they are sold a dream by people traffickers that just does not exist, other reasons are in the main the British are a pretty welcoming people and rub along with people of diverse faiths and cultures, gays are not thrown off buildings or at risk of death and in the main it is a pretty accepting country

[Zizu]

There are a myriad reasons why people come here, it can be because they speak English rather than French, have family members here, or they are sold a dream by people traffickers that just does not exist, other reasons are in the main the British are a pretty welcoming people and rub along with people of diverse faiths and cultures, gays are not thrown off buildings or at risk of death and in the main it is a pretty accepting country


Basically the whole world knows that we are a ‘soft touch’ ..


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[Beso]

Between 1808 and 1860 the West Africa Squadron captured 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans. Around 2,000 British sailors died on their mission of freeing slaves with the West Africa Squadron.


those british men fought to abolish slavery.

[Beso]

The brits tested mustard gas on indian soldiers who were volunteers, after also testing it on 3 times as many British soldiers who had also volunteered for the experiment.

[Tom4784]

The brits tested mustard gas on indian soldiers who were volunteers, after also testing it on 3 times as many British soldiers who had also volunteered for the experiment.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/01/india.military

An article from back when the story got highlighted. British soldiers were apparently duped into it and the Ministry of Defense could not say if Indian soldiers gave consent. If the people with the information couldn't say either way, then why are you making out it was above board so confidently?

Given the barbarity of the Empire, I think it's a stretch to believe that Indian soldiers were given all the information and were given a choice when british soldiers said they were duped.

[Tom4784]

You are a good warrior Dezzy, you should come and join us on our team. You would be a useful asset for us. You're always welcome, we'll leave the door ajar for you.

No, I prefer reality to delusion.

[Tom4784]

Between 1808 and 1860 the West Africa Squadron captured 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans. Around 2,000 British sailors died on their mission of freeing slaves with the West Africa Squadron.


those british men fought to abolish slavery.

After propagating it and profiting from it. Fixing a problem you created isn't heroism. Those lives were lost because we profited from the Slave Trade. We aren't the heroes of this story that you think we are.

[Tom4784]

Like I said to Dezzy earlier in this thread. If you only concentrate on bad bits (which there are some) then your argument will always win. But when the good bits get put on the other end of the scales, then your argument will be destroyed.

I will happily destroy your argument by debating you on this. But luckily for you, right now Is not the time, I'm a bit pissed and about ready for bed.

'History is only bad if you don't ignore the bad bits, we're heroes if you don't think about all the bad **** we did during the empire days!'

[Livia]

Spain and Portugal eradicated whole cultures in South America. It's no coincidence that they all speak Spanish. No one ever mentions it. Russia annexed huge areas of Europe and Asia and still hang on to most of it. It's only the British Empire that's ever criticised because, I believe, a lack of education.

[Oliver_W]

After propagating it and profiting from it. Fixing a problem you created isn't heroism. Those lives were lost because we profited from the Slave Trade. We aren't the heroes of this story that you think we are.

Trying to fix wrongs of the past doesn't absolve them, but the only guilt isn't inherited by those who followed. Some of the tribes who profited from the slave trade, such as the Dahomeys, wanted the European slave trade to continue.
When [King Ghezo] seized the throne in 1818, (https://unherd.com/2022/09/the-history-wars-target-dahomey/) one of his first acts was to punish his family rivals by selling them into slavery. And for much of his reign he actively resisted pressure from Europe to end the trade in human beings, since by the 1830s and 1840s the British were vigorously trying to stamp it out, even blockading his coastline with Royal Navy ships.

it's not a case of "whites bad, blacks good" when it comes to slavery. But guilt and responsibility for actions aren't inheritable.

[Livia]

Yeah, slavery. Thank God that doesn't happen anymore.

[Tom4784]

Spain and Portugal eradicated whole cultures in South America. It's no coincidence that they all speak Spanish. No one ever mentions it. Russia annexed huge areas of Europe and Asia and still hang on to most of it. It's only the British Empire that's ever criticised because, I believe, a lack of education.

'Acts of genocide by us are okay because other people did it too!' JFC.... You just get worse and worse.

You're engaging in stupid amounts of whataboutism. This is a thread about the UK and the empire, how the **** does other atrocities have any relevance here? Why do you think that our atrocities can't be discussed in a thread about this country without talking about other countries? Spain and Portugal's rampages through South America doesn't make us look better or worse, the crimes of Russia does not vindicate us.

The empire doesn't get criticised much in this country, we never learn about the horrors of the empire in school. The world criticises the empire because they suffered at it's hands. If someone was to say the exact same thing to you, but about Nazi Germany, how would you respond? How would you feel if they tried to make out you couldn't talk about those atrocities without qualifying them with other atrocities? How would you feel if that person said you weren't educated?

I'll answer that question for you, you would rage, and quite rightly so, so why have that attitude to other people, especially when most of the criticism of the empire comes from the descendants of those who suffered under it?

[Tom4784]

Trying to fix wrongs of the past doesn't absolve them, but the only guilt isn't inherited by those who followed. Some of the tribes who profited from the slave trade, such as the Dahomeys, wanted the European slave trade to continue.


it's not a case of "whites bad, blacks good" when it comes to slavery. But guilt and responsibility for actions aren't inheritable.

Tribes profiteering from slavery doesn't really make our role in it better or worse. It's whataboutism to bury your head in the sand, to protect the image of what you want this country to be, and not the bones and suffering of other cultures that built it.

[Oliver_W]

Tribes profiteering from slavery doesn't really make our role in it better or worse. It's whataboutism to bury your head in the sand, to protect the image of what you want this country to be, and not the bones and suffering of other cultures that built it.

True, I did say it doesn't absolve anything. But only one side wanted to end it.

[Livia]

North African arabs were up and down the channel lifting people from England, France, Ireland and taking them as slaves. Our own government sent poor white people to North America... and actually the first slaves in the USA were white... but shhhhhhhhh.... black people are always the biggest victim.

[Tom4784]

Grand Wizard Livia's at it again.

[Tom4784]

True, I did say it doesn't absolve anything. But only one side wanted to end it.

Again, doesn't really change a thing. It was a problem we helped create in the first place. There's no way to cut that story that makes us the heroes unless you disregard huge parts of history.

[Oliver_W]

Again, doesn't really change a thing. It was a problem we helped create in the first place. There's no way to cut that story that makes us the heroes unless you disregard huge parts of history.

"We" didn't. No-one living can personally claim heroism for helping to abolish the slave trade, just like no-one living should be made to feel guilty for it. If one part of that piece of history should be taught in schools, so should the other.

Are your future grandkids responsible for your posts on here?

[Tom4784]

"We" didn't. No-one living can personally claim heroism for helping to abolish the slave trade, just like no-one living should be made to feel guilty for it. If one part of that piece of history should be taught in schools, so should the other.

Are your future grandkids responsible for your posts on here?

I think you're choosing to purposefully misunderstand the intent of 'we' to push a point that doesn't really work.

'We' in this context is not referring to us as individuals but as the UK as an entity throughout the centuries.

Again, to go back to the WW2 example. One day, Nazi Germany's atrocities will be as distant in the past as the slave trade is to us, but do you think that Germany's stance on teaching the horrors of WW2 and what Germany did to their kids will change? I doubt they ever will, because it's important to learn from history. The good and the bad.

The problem with so many people in this country is that they refuse to engage in reality when it comes to the past. We're heroes of the world, the empire was the greatest thing that ever existed and we never did anything wrong ever. None of that is true, and we committed atrocity after atrocity. Just because we, as individuals, weren't born during those times doesn't mean that we, as a nation, should pretend that history that paints us in a bad light is fiction or that it no longer matters.

It matters to those who still live with the impact of the empire generations later.

[user104658]

As with anything there's a lot more to it than the black and white (literally, there are entire degree courses on Empire/Colonialism that I imagine still barely scratch the surface. It will always be the case that real history is far more complex than the buzz topics and phrases... And the most simple reality is that human history is incredibly murky. We've not been very good to each other.

LOOSELY though - it's very difficult to take the stance that the British Empire (or any other empire) was in any way a good or benevolent thing... Empires from the beginning of history to right now have ultimately been about selfish resource hoarding by wealthy people, to the detriment of pretty much everyone else, but affecting some far more than others.

Its also a pretty spectacularly ill considered take the stance that "Britain heroic" for being one of the first to outlaw slavery or for making efforts to help end it in other places too. I mean yes, they did do those things, but ... They wouldn't have been able to "heroically" stop trading slaves if they'd never traded slaves in the first place, and making amends by utilising the Royal Navy to help stop slavers wasn't heroic either, it was really the least they could do at the time as part of making amends.

Imagine someone keeping a human locked in their basement for years, and then one night having an epiphany and letting them go the next day... Would anyone say "Wow a hero!!". It seems unlikely. And if that person dedicated the rest of their life to getting other people out of basements that would be the right thing - but really the least they could do. And you wouldn't expect the person who had been in their basement to say, "You know what? You're actually an OK guy!".

Then there's the idea that the Empire "brought civilisation" to the world which of course, it didn't. It brought capitalism to the world, and people who equate capitalism with civilisation might see it that way... But it really all rests on that old premise that before the Empire brought order, people in colonial areas were "Savages" with no culture when of course that wasn't the case at all, it was just different culture, and thus rejected as being culture at all.

[Alf]

This is a good video if you have a spare 25 minutes.

It's by Carl Benjamin aka Sargon, that's the guy who did the rape joke about Jess Phillips. So I fully expect some to totally dismiss it with phrases like "I don't listen to bigots" And that's perfectly fine, everyone is free to be ignorant if they wish to be. I ain't forcing you to watch.

He does this video in response to something Frankie Boyle wrote, slagging of Britain (Dezzy esque). So he spends the first couple of minutes of the video talking about Frankie Boyle. After that he gives a fantastic take on slavery and the slave trade.

Worth a watch, I recommend it.

To quote him at the end of this video, speaking directly to Frankie Boyle. "Frankie, you live in a World without slavery because of Britain"

You can watch this a different way. There's many YouTube vloggers that have done reaction videos to this Carl Benjamin video. So you can watch it along with them and see their take on it too.



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Here are some Americans reacting to it, watch along with them if you find that way more interesting.



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[Beso]

After propagating it and profiting from it. Fixing a problem you created isn't heroism. Those lives were lost because we profited from the Slave Trade. We aren't the heroes of this story that you think we are.

The dead sailors didnt profit from it, or create it. They died for the cause of ending it all though.

[James]

Well I've always thought that Britain is a pretty good country to live in and grow up in.

[Alf]

Well I've always thought that Britain is a pretty good country to live in and grow up in.The fact the the likes of Dezzy is allowed to just call it the most horrible things tells you how great it is. He won't appreciate it until the Globalists fully take over.

[Tom4784]

The dead sailors didnt profit from it, or create it. They died for the cause of ending it all though.

And they wouldn't have died ending it if we didn't basically create it.

[Glenn.]

I’m moving to Australia next year and can safely say the only thing I’m going to miss is my family. This country is the pits

[Alf]

I’m moving to Australia next year and can safely say the only thing I’m going to miss is my family. This country is the pitsIn some respects you have a point. There are elements that are "the pits" as you call it.

Australia also has it's bad points though. As I showed you during Covid 19 - 21. Bleeding government of their's were shooting at the citizens for legally protesting.

[Glenn.]

In some respects you have a point. There are elements that are "the pits" as you call it.

Australia also has it's bad points though. As I showed you during Covid 19 - 21. Bleeding government of their's were shooting at the citizens for legally protesting.

Yeah cool.

It’s still a better way of life and paradise compared to this hell hole

[Cal.]

As with anything there's a lot more to it than the black and white (literally, there are entire degree courses on Empire/Colonialism that I imagine still barely scratch the surface. It will always be the case that real history is far more complex than the buzz topics and phrases... And the most simple reality is that human history is incredibly murky. We've not been very good to each other.

LOOSELY though - it's very difficult to take the stance that the British Empire (or any other empire) was in any way a good or benevolent thing... Empires from the beginning of history to right now have ultimately been about selfish resource hoarding by wealthy people, to the detriment of pretty much everyone else, but affecting some far more than others.

Its also a pretty spectacularly ill considered take the stance that "Britain heroic" for being one of the first to outlaw slavery or for making efforts to help end it in other places too. I mean yes, they did do those things, but ... They wouldn't have been able to "heroically" stop trading slaves if they'd never traded slaves in the first place, and making amends by utilising the Royal Navy to help stop slavers wasn't heroic either, it was really the least they could do at the time as part of making amends.

Imagine someone keeping a human locked in their basement for years, and then one night having an epiphany and letting them go the next day... Would anyone say "Wow a hero!!". It seems unlikely. And if that person dedicated the rest of their life to getting other people out of basements that would be the right thing - but really the least they could do. And you wouldn't expect the person who had been in their basement to say, "You know what? You're actually an OK guy!".

Then there's the idea that the Empire "brought civilisation" to the world which of course, it didn't. It brought capitalism to the world, and people who equate capitalism with civilisation might see it that way... But it really all rests on that old premise that before the Empire brought order, people in colonial areas were "Savages" with no culture when of course that wasn't the case at all, it was just different culture, and thus rejected as being culture at all.

Agree with all of this!

[AnnieK]

I’m moving to Australia next year and can safely say the only thing I’m going to miss is my family. This country is the pits

Not your friends?
I'm no major fan of this country but I have lived overseas and its not quite rhe Mecca its made out to be. Same ****, different place comes to mind. Everywhere has its issues, history and rubbish parts.

You make wherever you the best you can make it, no place is perfect.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’m moving to Australia next year and can safely say the only thing I’m going to miss is my family. This country is the pits

:joker:


Having lived in Oz, its no different

[Glenn.]

Not your friends?
I'm no major fan of this country but I have lived overseas and its not quite rhe Mecca its made out to be. Same ****, different place comes to mind. Everywhere has its issues, history and rubbish parts.

You make wherever you the best you can make it, no place is perfect.

A lot of my friends will visit whereas a lot of my family wouldn’t.

I’ve tried to make the best of things. My prospects are far greater moving down under than they ever will be here.

[bots]

i've travelled extensively in my time, even living abroad for several years. The satisfaction that you get is directly related to the people around you. Things like climate follow close behind, but who runs the state and government is way, way down the list

[Cherie]

Doesn’t Australia have very strict rules on Immigration? Ones that the UK ary trying to emulate ....I have to laugh :laugh:

[Glenn.]

What’s so funny?

[AnnieK]

A lot of my friends will visit whereas a lot of my family wouldn’t.

I’ve tried to make the best of things. My prospects are far greater moving down under than they ever will be here.

Ah cool.

My friend went out there 14 years ago....he has loved it. Hope it all goes well for you.

[Niamh.]

What part are you going to Glenn?

[Oliver_W]

A lot of my friends will visit whereas a lot of my family wouldn’t.

I’ve tried to make the best of things. My prospects are far greater moving down under than they ever will be here.

Are you a nurse or something?:)

[James]

I think we have a kind of tourist's eye about other countries - we see all the nice parts from the outside, but people living in those countries have to deal - like here - with all the minutiae of politics and the news that might cause division and upset.

Domestic issues in other countries don't usually make the news or have interest to people here.

[Cherie]

I think we have a kind of tourist's eye about other countries - we see all the nice parts from the outside, but people living in those countries have to deal - like here - with all the minutiae of politics and the news that might cause division and upset.

Domestic issues in other countries don't usually make the news or have interest to people here.

Very true we have had a place in Spain and while it’s lovely to visit..getting anything bureaucratic done is a nightmare…l



I think it can also work in reverse and show you how good things are and how much is done for minorities in this country like info messages in different languages….and free translators provided if you go for appt …be prepared to find your own and pay for your own in Spain

That said travel broadens the mind so there is that :)

[user104658]

What’s so funny?

It is somewhat ironic Glenn... Australia is culturally known to be both more racist and more homophobic than the UK. They're extremely strict on immigration and they take very few asylum seekers. It is sunnier though :shrug:

[user104658]

Are you a nurse or something?:)

Canada is the real GOAT for nurses though, they have (the equivalent of) something like a £75k average salary. Property prices are through the roof though. We've flirted with moving abroad as my wife could work more or less anywhere and make more than in the UK, and I can literally work from anywhere that has a laptop and an internet connection.

Teen doesn't want to leave her rubbish pals at her rubbish school though :joker:.

[Glenn.]

What part are you going to Glenn?

Brisbane. My partner has family out there.

Are you a nurse or something?:)

No

[Niamh.]

Brisbane. My partner has family out there.



No

Best of luck with it, it's handy to have people out there while you get yourselves set up.

[Glenn.]

Best of luck with it, it's handy to have people out there while you get yourselves set up.

We’re a bit spoilt for choice especially with accommodation. My other half has a guaranteed job when we go. He spent a couple of years out there working.

[Niamh.]

We’re a bit spoilt for choice especially with accommodation. My other half has a guaranteed job when we go. He spent a couple of years out there working.

Ah that's brilliant, it will take the pressure off a bit. Life in the sunshine sounds good (especially this time of the year on this side of the world!)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ah that's brilliant, it will take the pressure off a bit. Life in the sunshine sounds good (especially this time of the year on this side of the world!)

YOu would not cope with the spiders Neem

[Niamh.]

YOu would not cope with the spiders Neem

I've been to Australia and I didn't meet a single Spider there :idc:

[bots]

I've been to Australia and I didn't meet a single Spider there :idc:

that you know of ........

[thesheriff443]

I've been to Australia and I didn't meet a single Spider there :idc:

They were pre warned

[Niamh.]

that you know of ........

https://media.tenor.com/Hx3XUdtgAy8AAAAC/afraid-scared.gif

[Cherie]

It is somewhat ironic Glenn... Australia is culturally known to be both more racist and more homophobic than the UK. They're extremely strict on immigration and they take very few asylum seekers. It is sunnier though :shrug:

Indeed .

[Glenn.]

It is somewhat ironic Glenn... Australia is culturally known to be both more racist and more homophobic than the UK. They're extremely strict on immigration and they take very few asylum seekers. It is sunnier though :shrug:

Correct it is sunnier. Work life balance is also superior to this country. And it’s something I want to do so it’s not really for anyone to criticise

[user104658]

Correct it is sunnier. Work life balance is also superior to this country. And it’s something I want to do so it’s not really for anyone to criticise

I'm not criticising the move and wish you well, I'm not even particularly complaining about describing Britain in bad terms either... and not saying that Aus is MASSIVELY worse than the UK by any measure... just that in terms of comparing righty/authoritarian government styles, Australia really doesn't have any moral high ground over the UK. They've always had some of the worlds strictest migration policies, and they've (frankly) always heavily prioritised White Europeans. The UK govts are often heavily criticised for suggesting policies that fall WAY short of what's been in place in Australia for decades.

So really only criticising that the idea of moving to AUS because the UK is a political cess pit is like moving into the toilet bowl because the urinal was too smelly.

If you just meant because so much of the UK is literally dull/grey/grim/falling apart a bit then fair enough :joker:.

[Beso]

And they wouldn't have died ending it if we didn't basically create it.

Stop moving the goalposts.