Police strip-searched children as young as eight

[bots]

Children as young as eight are being strip-searched by the police, according to a report showing "deeply concerning" and "widespread" failures.

It also found some children were strip-searched in the back of police vans, schools and fast-food outlets.

The report by Children's Commissioner Dame Rachel de Souza showed 2,847 children were strip-searched in England and Wales from 2018 to mid-2022.

The National Police Chiefs' Council will "carefully consider" the findings.

The Runnymede Trust, a race equality charity, said: "Our children are being failed by the state institutions there to protect them."

The report found black children were up to six times more likely to be searched than the overall child population.

More than half (52%) of the searches took place without an appropriate adult confirmed to be present - a legal requirement, except when there is serious risk to a child's life or welfare.

And the data shows 51% of the searches led to no further action.

Dame Rachel requested data in the wake of the Child Q scandal, which came to light in March 2022.

The case of the 15-year-old - strip-searched at school by two female Metropolitan Police officers while on her period and without an appropriate adult present - drew national outrage.

It prompted Dame Rachel to request figures from Scotland Yard, which she found so concerning that she then asked all forces for comparable data.

more at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65081765

[Oliver_W]

Ridiculous.

While some gangs do use children as mules, especially in county lines, safeguarding should never be thrown out the window.

[Niamh.]

Ridiculous.

While some gangs do use children as mules, especially in county lines, safeguarding should never be thrown out the window.

Absolutely. It's disgraceful

[Cherie]

I dont know how any human being can deem this appropriate

[thesheriff443]

Let’s be honest there is a reason for this
Criminals with kids giving them weapons or drugs to hold knowing they won’t get searched

[bots]

Let’s be honest there is a reason for this
Criminals with kids giving them weapons or drugs to hold knowing they won’t get searched

Many of these strips were performed without a responsible adult present. That is wrong under any circumstance

[Crimson Dynamo]

the su=cess rate is 6/10 so it does work, but they need to follow proceedure

[thesheriff443]

Many of these strips were performed without a responsible adult present. That is wrong under any circumstance

The police need powers and support

[Niamh.]

The police need powers and support

The Police do not need the power to be able to strip minors without a parent or guardian present. It seems like, from recent numerous stories of Police abusing their power and sexual assaulting and raping women, they need to be monitored and held accountable a lot more closely than has been happening, not given even more power to abuse

[thesheriff443]

The Police do not need the power to be able to strip minors without a parent or guardian present. It seems like, from recent numerous stories of Police abusing their power and sexual assaulting and raping women, they need to be monitored and held accountable a lot more closely than has been happening, not given even more power to abuse

In each case there would of been reasonable suspicion and the fact six out ten searches found some thing means they where right

You can’t label every police man or woman a pervert

[Niamh.]

In each case there would of been reasonable suspicion and the fact six out ten searches found some thing means they where right

You can’t label every police man or woman a pervert

It doesn't matter, they are minors and should have their parent or guardian present for anything that involves clothes being removed. It's called safe guarding and it's there for a reason. Nobody is labeling all Police officers as anything, safe guarding is for protecting the children in this case from any potential abuses of power.

[thesheriff443]

It doesn't matter, they are minors and should have their parent or guardian present for anything that involves clothes being removed. It's called safe guarding and it's there for a reason. Nobody is labeling all Police officers as anything, safe guarding is for protecting the children in this case from any potential abuses of power.

I know what safe guarding is
I’m still in favour of it

And I’m no angel when it comes to the police

[Niamh.]

I know what safe guarding is
I’m still in favour of it

And I’m no angel when it comes to the police

So you're against safe guarding children then?

[thesheriff443]

So you're against safe guarding children then?

No of course not

But you want to see them as angels but the truth is they where up to no good to get the attention of the police

[Niamh.]

No of course not

But you want to see them as angels but the truth is they where up to no good to get the attention of the police

I never said any such thing, it's nothing to do with whether those children are "angels" or not, even "bad kids" can get abused you know. I don't know why you are so resistant to having a parent or guardian present anyway, surely it's the same result only with the child having a parent present

[thesheriff443]

I never said any such thing, it's nothing to do with whether those children are "angels" or not, even "bad kids" can get abused you know. I don't know why you are so resistant to having a parent or guardian present anyway, surely it's the same result only with the child having a parent present

I never said they should not have parents there

But if kids want to act like adults it’s tough sh1t when they get treated like adults

Got no time for feral kids

[Niamh.]

I never said they should not have parents there

But if kids want to act like adults it’s tough sh1t when they get treated like adults

Got no time for feral kids

well according to the article 52% of these searches were done without a parent/guardian there which is a legal requirement.

[thesheriff443]

well according to the article 52% of these searches were done without a parent/guardian there which is a legal requirement.

And six out of ten searches found some thing with or without an adult present

We can go round in circles
I would rather have them searched than not.

[bots]

And six out of ten searches found some thing with or without an adult present

We can go round in circles
I would rather have them searched than not.

having an adult present doesn't stop the search unless what the police were doing was dodgy. Are you advocating that the police should break the rules if it gets results, because thats how it sounds. Also, the police have a long history of stitching people up and improving their results when not made accountable for their actions. Is that the type of police you want?

[Niamh.]

And six out of ten searches found some thing with or without an adult present

We can go round in circles
I would rather have them searched than not.

Why do you think getting a result overrules the Police breaking safeguarding rules, they could have gotten the same results and followed correct procedures?

[thesheriff443]

Why do you think getting a result overrules the Police breaking safeguarding rules, they could have gotten the same results and followed correct procedures?

It boils down to as a parent you should know we’re your kids are and what they are doing

Kids these days know what they can get away with

13 14 15 17 years olds are raping and murdering kids and adults

[Niamh.]

It boils down to as a parent you should know we’re your gods are and what they are doing

Kids these days know what they can get away with

13 14 15 17 years olds are raping and murdering kids and adults

That has zero to do with Safeguarding rules that Police broke. These rules are there to prevent children being sexually abused by adults in power, everything you're saying has nothing at all to do with that

[Cherie]

I am really surprised the police do this safeguarding works both ways it is there to protect the child but it also there to protect the adults involved from any accusation of wrong doing. If the police cant be trusted to follow the process which is to take the child back to the station and have an appropriate adult present during the search who can we trust. strip searching involves looking at a childs private parts, you would have thought no police officer would want to be doing that without a parent or guardian present, and it makes you wonder as to the motivie of those that do

[Niamh.]

I am really surprised the police do this safeguarding works both ways it is there to protect the child but it also there to protect the adults involved from any accusation of wrong doing. If the police cant be trusted to follow the process which is to take the child back to the station and have an appropriate adult present during the search who can we trust. strip searching involves looking at a childs private parts, you would have thought no police officer would want to be doing that without a parent or guardian present, and it makes you wonder as to the motivie of those that do

Exactly.

[thesheriff443]

That has zero to do with Safeguarding rules that Police broke. These rules are there to prevent children being sexually abused by adults in power, everything you're saying has nothing at all to do with that

Safe guarding starts at home.

[Niamh.]

Safe guarding starts at home.

Again makes no sense what so ever in what we're discussing........

[thesheriff443]

Again makes no sense what so ever in what we're discussing........

You have been vocal on here about this subject but what are you actually going to do about it?

[Niamh.]

You have been vocal on here about this subject but what are you actually going to do about it?

I'm sorry, I didn't realise If I gave my opinion on a thread on TiBB that meant I had to go out and do stuff too.......

These are not my Police force though thankfully, as far as I know we don't have a Police-strip-searching-minors problem here

[thesheriff443]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise If I gave my opinion on a thread on TiBB that meant I had to go out and do stuff too.......

These are not my Police force though thankfully, as far as I know we don't have a Police-strip-searching-minors problem here

So basically giving it the large but doing nothing

Yes all you have given is an opinion that means nothing to actually people involved.

[Niamh.]

So basically giving it the large but doing nothing

"giving it the large"= Giving my opinion on a forum for giving opinions on stuff.

Yes all you have given is an opinion that means nothing to actually people involved.

So the same as everyone else on this thread, including you, eh? :laugh2:

[thesheriff443]

"giving it the large"= Giving my opinion on a forum for giving opinions on stuff.


So the same as everyone else on this thread, including you, eh? :laugh2:

Yes , just point scoring

[Niamh.]

Yes , just point scoring

:umm2:

[GiRTh]

There are very strict rules on police interactions with minors. Without going into too much detail the police have to consult a responsible adult before they can perform any kind of investigation into someone who is under age. Basically it needs to be a 'bad kid' who is well known to police. I hope the police are following the appropriate steps or they will be liable for disciplinary action

[Crimson Dynamo]

This year so far has been a one massive PR disaster for the Police. Must be awful being a good copper at the moment

[Mystic Mock]

I dont know how any human being can deem this appropriate

Because I do believe that some of the people with power don't mind touching kids, as sick as it is to say but those kinds of people do see this as appropriate.

Obviously not everyone with power is supporting Paedophilia just to clarify.

[Mystic Mock]

No of course not

But you want to see them as angels but the truth is they where up to no good to get the attention of the police

You can't strip search children without a legal guardian present.

[Livia]

Where were the parents of these "children as young as 8" while they're in a position to be strip searched by the police? Maybe parents should be held as highly to account as the police.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where were the parents of these "children as young as 8" while they're in a position to be strip searched by the police? Maybe parents should be held as highly to account as the police.

you can bet "not spending time together"

:skull:

[Oliver_W]

Where were the parents of these "children as young as 8" while they're in a position to be strip searched by the police? Maybe parents should be held as highly to account as the police.

Gangs don't target kids with decent home lives and support structures...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gangs don't target kids with decent home lives and support structures...

that in no way absolves parents, quite the opposite

fear of blame

[Livia]

Gangs don't target kids with decent home lives and support structures...

Even greater reason to come down hard on feckless parents.

[Oliver_W]

that in no way absolves parents, quite the opposite

fear of blame

Did I say I thought it absolved their blame?

[GiRTh]

We're blaming the parents for strip searches of 'minors' by the police? :conf:

There are even stricter rules for strip searches never mind strip searches of 'minors'.

The first word of the thread title is 'Police'. Is this thread about police or parents ?

[Mystic Mock]

Where were the parents of these "children as young as 8" while they're in a position to be strip searched by the police? Maybe parents should be held as highly to account as the police.

I'm gonna presume that some of these incidents are when the children are at School.

[GoldHeart]

I'm gonna presume that some of these incidents are when the children are at School.

Apparently in other random public places aswell , absolutely disgusting . And it shows perverse abuse of power .

[Mystic Mock]

Apparently in other random public places aswell , absolutely disgusting . And it shows perverse abuse of power .

Agreed.

[Oliver_W]

We're blaming the parents for strip searches of 'minors' by the police? :conf:

There are even stricter rules for strip searches never mind strip searches of 'minors'.

The first word of the thread title is 'Police'. Is this thread about police or parents ?

Parents are often to blame for the behaviours into which children fall. No-one was blaming these parents for the behaviour of the police.