Animal Rebellion to sabotage the Grand National

[arista]

SkyNews Text :
[The paper claims to have uncovered a plot
by 100 animal rights activists to
sabotage the Grand National.
The campaigners plan to use
ladders and bolt cutters
to storm Aintree
and then form a human barricade
across the racecourse.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-4f264b08-8fca-436b-993c-6b6d5a17117c.png

[Kate!]

Bunch of thugs from the sounds of it, and doing more harm than good to any cause of Animal Objections. Will frighten the poor horses half to death if they enacted it. Stupidity.

[jet]

The Grand National should be banned! How many horses have to die each year before they scrap it, they would do it quick enough if it was jockeys getting killed instead of horses.

[Beso]

Better not be gorilla glue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What are the odds that they do this?

[arista]

What are the odds that they do this?


Yes now it is Front Page
claiming 100 of them,
will do this?

[joeysteele]

Despite some cosmetic changes to the Grand National, Horses are still bring killed taking part in it.

I'm not usually in favour of too extreme action but it is time, in my view to reduce the size of the fences and number of them, plus reduce the length of the race too.

Too many, and really one is too many, good Horses have lost their lives in this race.
The authorities don't seem to be listening properly so maybe regretfully more action is needed to highlight the dangers of this race as to Horses.

It's all just about money making anyway, the welfare of the beautiful Horses a good way down the list of priorities.
Not good at all that.

[arista]

The Grand National should be banned! How many horses have to die each year before they scrap it, they would do it quick enough if it was jockeys getting killed instead of horses.



No
it is tradition
Even you, Jet,
must understand that.


To many betting companies
could go under

[bots]

it's a cruel race, i would be happy if it was never run again

[joeysteele]

it's a cruel race, i would be happy if it was never run again

I agree totally.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/

its not just the Grand National

[Kazanne]

The Grand National should be banned! How many horses have to die each year before they scrap it, they would do it quick enough if it was jockeys getting killed instead of horses.

I agree, horses die for human greed yet again, some people haven't a clue what goes on behind the scenes, no animal should be used for human entertainment,they are not ours to use and abuse, No animal lover can condone this so called sport ,vegans are not manic or a mob they just care about the animals and kudos to them all .

[Kazanne]

No
it is tradition
Even you, Jet,
must understand that.


To many betting companies
could go under

Not this old chestnut,how many "traditions" have we got rid of as they no longer fit in with modern life, Its cruel, you must understand that.

[arista]

Not this old chestnut,how many "traditions" have we got rid of as they no longer fit in with modern life, Its cruel, you must understand that.



Life can be
just that.


Yes it is the British tradition
for this mega race.

[Kazanne]

Life can be
just that.


Yes it is the British tradition
for this mega race.

Its all about money arista,there is a lot of cruelty involved,so for me, ban it ,get your money betting on humans who have a choice.Im sick of the human race using animals to celebrate stuff and use to get money.

[Livia]

The Grand National should be banned. I have no problem with flat racing but the jumps are brutal.

[Alf]

Targeting the nations favourite horse race where almost everyone has a flutter on. That's a good way to gain support. Of the people.

It's obviously not about gaining support or even caring about the horses. It's about spoiling other people's enjoyment because they want others to be as miserable as they are. It's about their own selfish ego's and them saying "look at me everybody, I care for animals, because I'm better than you. Arne't I a great person? Please like me and give me the attention I crave"

[Livia]

Targeting the nations favourite horse race where almost everyone has a flutter on. That's a good way to gain support. Of the people.

It's obviously not about gaining support or even caring about the horses. It's about spoiling other people's enjoyment because they want others to be as miserable as they are. It's about their own selfish ego's and them saying "look at me everybody, I care for animals, because I'm better than you. Arne't I a great person? Please like me and give me the attention I crave"

If people's enjoyment mattered more than animal welfare we'd still be able to have a flutter on dog fights and bear baiting.

[Alf]

If people's enjoyment mattered more than animal welfare we'd still be able to have a flutter on dog fights and bear baiting.It's not animal welfare though is it? Because who's going to look after those horses if they can't do what they're bred for? Who's gonna feed them, give them a home, clean up their sh!t? Infact they're no longer gonna be bred so they won't ever exist anyway.

[Livia]

It's not animal welfare though is it? Because who's going to look after those horses if they can't do what they're bred for? Who's gonna feed them, give them a home, clean up their sh!t?

They won't be bred for racing over the sticks when people come to their senses, they'll be bred only for flat racing. I don't want to see another tent around a dying horse which has been forced to jump almost impossible hurdles so people can have their jollies.

[Alf]

They won't be bred for racing over the sticks when people come to their senses, they'll be bred only for flat racing. I don't want to see another tent around a dying horse which has been forced to jump almost impossible hurdles so people can have their jollies.People die enjoying themselves (skiing accidents ect) People die travelling to go enjoy themselves. People die going to work to earn money so that they can enjoy themselves. Death is part of life. The horses enjoy what they do, if they they didn't, they would just refuse to do it as some do. They're earning their keep and being well looked after for it.

There's far more injuries to horses that run on the flat than over fences. Because on the flat they're going at a much greater speed and they pull muscles.

[Alf]

Every effing year we have this argument.

[Livia]

People die enjoying themselves (skiing accidents ect) People die travelling to go enjoy themselves. People die going to work to earn money so that they can enjoy themselves. Death is part of life. The horses enjoy what they do, if they they didn't, they would just refuse to do it as some do. They're earning their keep and being well looked after for it.

There's far more injuries to horses that run on the flat than over fences. Because on the flat they're going at a much greater speed and they pull muscles.

People die doing stuff they've chosen to do. To force an animal to do it is, like mentioned, akin to bear-baiting. I have seen no evidence at all to suggest flat racing is more dangerous, so that's just hearsay.

We're not going to agree, I can see that.

[Livia]

Every effing year we have this argument.

I bet they used to say that about cock fights.

[Alf]

People die doing stuff they've chosen to do. To force an animal to do it is, like mentioned, akin to bear-baiting. I have seen no evidence at all to suggest flat racing is more dangerous, so that's just hearsay.

We're not going to agree, I can see that.On the flat they're racing on hard ground going at top speeds. Over fences it's mainly on soft ground going at a nice steady gallop.

If you don't like it then don't watch it but why use the excuse that you care for horses to spoil others (including the horses) enjoyment. If you care that much then let's see you taking care of all these horses you want putting into retirement. Less talk, more action.

[Livia]

On the flat they're racing on hard ground going at top speeds. Over fences it's mainly on soft ground going at a nice steady gallop.

If you don't like it then don't watch it but why use the excuse that you care for horses to spoil others (including the horses) enjoyment. If you care that much then let's see you taking care of all these horses you want putting into retirement. Less talk, more action.

You're assuming you know that my concern is false. I am a supporter of Redwings... I do care for horses and animals in general. It's a bit harsh of you to dismiss my concern as empty do-gooding... But it's not surprising.

[arista]

Every effing year we have this argument.


Yes We Do.


But this is about that group
claiming to have 100 to invade the event,


But now it is in public
I am sure they can now,
stop them

[Beso]

Lots of horses enjoy it and for their rights as horses who like a good old run out then the national should go ahead.

[Alf]

On the flat they're racing on hard ground going at top speeds. Over fences it's mainly on soft ground going at a nice steady gallop.

If you don't like it then don't watch it but why use the excuse that you care for horses to spoil others (including the horses) enjoyment. If you care that much then let's see you taking care of all these horses you want putting into retirement. Less talk, more action.

You're assuming you know that my concern is false. I am a supporter of Redwings... I do care for horses and animals in general. It's a bit harsh of you to dismiss my concern as empty do-gooding... But it's not surprising.I'n not talking about supporting some charities. I'm talking about you building some stables to house the hundreds of horses you want putting into retirement. Feeding them, grooming them, walking them, paying their vets bills. Go on, really show you care.

[arista]

Lots of horses enjoy it and for their rights as horses who like a good old run out then the national should go ahead.


Yes that's true

Of course, some horses get injured.



Police need to arrest any that try to halt this event.

[Beso]

What next?

Horses, cows, pigs, sheep and chickens just roaming about unchecked and free in the countryside and villages!!

Or are we allowed to keep them from that as our emotional slaves, like our cats, dogs budgies and snakes.?

[Livia]

I'n not talking about supporting some charities. I'm talking about you building some stables to house the hundreds of horses you want putting into retirement. Feeding them, grooming them, walking them, paying their vets bills. Go on, really show you care.

So if I disagree I'm supposed to build stables and home horses that would not exist had they not been bred especially for racing. Phase it out, don't breed further horse stocks then no one will have to worry.

Anyway, if you support it so much, I expect you already contribute to the upkeep of retired horses right now? Or are you demanding something of me you wouldn't do yourself?

[Livia]

What next?

Horses, cows, pigs, sheep and chickens just roaming about unchecked and free in the countryside and villages!!

Or are we allowed to keep them from that as our emotional slaves, like our cats, dogs budgies and snakes.?

You and Alf are reducing the argument to the ridiculous. So this is where I drop out. This is serious debates after all.

[joeysteele]

I have to say I go with bots, jet, Kazanne and Livia on this one.

I'm a late convert to the wrongs of this race.
I feel they've had plenty time to make the race safer.
Since they obviously will not or cannot then I'd support the ending of it.

Racehorses who haven't been winners can be treated badly and can be passed on to some awful individuals.
Even sent to slaughter.
So I'm not persuaded of the caring owners tripe.

It's about money and getting big money at that with only ever increasing danger to the Horses.
They are beautiful beings and shouldn't have their lives put at risk for the purpose of moneymaking and so called (huh), entertainment.

[Beso]

You and Alf are reducing the argument to the ridiculous. So this is where I drop out. This is serious debates after all.

Well that's ridiculous of you to do that.

So what happens to these animals? Do we stop them from breeding so theres eventually enough to manage. Or do we allow them to live the lives they were originally born to do, which is to live as freely as we do on mother earth(or more free than we do cause they shouldnt have to abide by our rules)..cause I see some serious health and safety issues for us if we allow that.

Animal rights, should he exactly that.. the right to walk on mother earth without human interference, No?

[Livia]

What next?

Horses, cows, pigs, sheep and chickens just roaming about unchecked and free in the countryside and villages!!

Or are we allowed to keep them from that as our emotional slaves, like our cats, dogs budgies and snakes.?

Read your post again Parm and then tell me I'm being ridiculous.

[Alf]

You and Alf are reducing the argument to the ridiculous. So this is where I drop out. This is serious debates after all.Too good for us, are you?

[Beso]

Read your post again Parm and then tell me I'm being ridiculous.

Its true though, people want this stopped for the rights of the animal. So I'm asking where does that begin and end.

My first question is who the **** are we to decide what animals are free to roam freely and which are not?

[jet]

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/the-grand-national-9-things-they-dont-tell-you-about-horse-racing/

The Grand National: 9 Things They Don’t Tell You About Horse Racing

Whatever the results of this year’s Grand National, there’s one thing that’s a safe bet – horses will suffer as a result of the unethical spectacle at Aintree. To date, horses have died at the Grand National Festival in 16 out of the last 18 years, yet ITV still broadcasts it.

Some of those 9:

Horses die on the track.
To date, Horses have died at the Grand National Festival in 16 out of the last 18 years. Last year, 10-year-old Lilbitluso was euthanised after falling at the Canal Turn fence on the first day of the event. Horses who fall, are injured, or die endure a traumatic experience – a stomach-churning mess of tangled limbs, fractured bones, and broken spines.

Horses May Be Drugged
Drugs, both legal and illegal, can be as ubiquitous in racing as ridiculous hats are at Ascot. Horses may be drugged to mask the pain of existing injuries and conditions, keeping them running when they should be resting or receiving treatment. And illegal drugs are sometimes used to try to make horses run faster. For example, Mahmood al-Zarooni – a trainer with one of the world’s biggest horse-racing operations – was banned from racing for eight years for doping horses with prohibited steroids.

Horses May Be ‘Retired’ to the Abattoir
When horses used for racing get too old or stop performing well enough to be profitable, they’re often sent to slaughter. Approximately 1,000 horses from the industry are killed in abattoirs in Britain every year and turned into dog food or cheap meat, while others face horrific live-export journeys to Europe.

The Grand National Is One of the World’s Deadliest Courses
The infamous Becher’s Brook is known as the world’s most dangerous jump and has racked up many fatalities, yet race officials refuse to remove it. Racing 40 skittish horses at a time makes accidents yet more likely, while the minor so-called “improvements” that have been made to the course in response to public protest are mere token gestures. It’s the danger of the race that draws in crowds and lines bookies’ pockets – and it’s the horses who pay with their lives.

They’re Forced to Race While They’re Still Growing
Making horses risk their lives on the racecourse is wrong, regardless of their age. But it’s especially heartbreaking to learn that these animals are commonly forced to begin racing when they’re barely more than babies and their bodies are especially prone to damage. It’s hardly surprising, then, that injuries, lameness, and exhaustion are common.
………………
I hope the protesters are successful in stopping the Grand National and to hell with some peoples ‘enjoyment’!!

[Alf]

Whatever the outcome of people building things for us, people will die on those building sites. Let's ban building things and ban building sites and construction work? It's cruel to humans.

Whatever the outcome of people using transport to get to a destination, people will be killed. Let's ban transport, it's cruel to humans.

Whatever the outcome of people eating food. People will die. Let's ban food, it's cruel to humans.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do not agree with mobs like this who think they are so right other people and their opinions do not count so they can do things like stop traffic etc

louts

[jet]

Whatever the outcome of people building things for us, people will die on those building sites. Let's ban building things and ban building sites and construction work? It's cruel to humans.

Whatever the outcome of people using transport to get to a destination, people will be killed. Let's ban transport, it's cruel to humans.

Whatever the outcome of people eating food. People will die. Let's ban food, it's cruel to humans.

Ridiculous comparisons Alf.
Let’s have a little flutter and watch on TV a programme where actual human beings may die on building sites and in transport accidents and choking to death on their food.
For enjoyment, you know? :rolleyes:

[jet]

I do not agree with mobs like this who think they are so right other people and their opinions do not count so they can do things like stop traffic etc

louts

They won't be stopping traffic, they will be blocking the race course.
I hope they succeed.

[joeysteele]

I'm sure security now, even greater police presence, no matter the cost will be heavily strengthened after this advance notice of disruption.

The Horses cannot speak for themselves Human beings can speak for them.
It may very well be extreme action but as the detailed post from jet shows.
The changes to this race and course, (I won't call them improvements), have been token gestures more than likely only.

I too however, hope the protesters can succeed, because it's warranted and they deserve to succeed in my view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They won't be stopping traffic, they will be blocking the race course.
I hope they succeed.

i hope they are arrested and jailed for their arrogance

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unrepentant eco-fanatics double down on plot to sabotage the Grand National:
XR offshoot vow to cause 'summer of animal rising' including breaking into
farms, disrupting diners, blocking supermarket aisles and stopping traffic on
roads

They also pledged to stop traffic across Britain, the same tactic used by Just
Stop Oil to cause chaos on crucial highways and motorways last year.

This conversation is vital if we are to tackle the root causes of our climate and
ecological crises.’

(zealots and hard left nut-jobs)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11930811/Unrepentant-eco-fanatics-double-plot-sabotage-Grand-National.html

[Alf]

Ridiculous comparisons Alf.
Let’s have a little flutter and watch on TV a programme where actual human beings may die on building sites and in transport accidents and choking to death on their food.
For enjoyment, you know? :rolleyes:Well you have to call them ridiculous for you to win the argument, I didn't think you were going to agree with them. The thing is, I agree that they're ridiculous, but they're the same arguments you're making. I'm pointing out how your arguments are ridiculous too. Your argument is basically, there's risks.

[Alf]

You've made your arguments for years and years. The horse racing authorities have even done everything to alter things to make things safer, they've listened to you and made compromises. But the fact is, this a democracy and the nation wants the Grand National. Move on, you're boring.

[user104658]

No
it is tradition
Even you, Jet,
must understand that.


To many betting companies
could go under

Bookies don't make money off the national unless a random outsider wins. Other than using it as an advertising opportunity to bring in new customers.

And it was getting less and less turnover year on year every year I worked for a bookmaker.

[user104658]

But the fact is, this a democracy and the nation wants the Grand National. Move on, you're boring.

Nah. The GN and horseracing in general is swiftly going out of fashion. It's already an older gent's betting sport of choice and in a few decades that'll taper off too. Younger folks like their slots machines and their football. American sports are on the rise, too. Racing is on the way out.

[jet]

Well you have to call them ridiculous for you to win the argument, I didn't think you were going to agree with them. The thing is, I agree that they're ridiculous, but they're the same arguments you're making. I'm pointing out how your arguments are ridiculous too. Your argument is basically, there's risks.

Risks that lead to death, injuries (horses may need to be put down AFTER the race too) the drugging and whipping of dumb animals with no choice aren't an essential part of life. Why would anyone not mind horses suffering for their own entertainment? It's barbaric!

[Kazanne]

Risks that lead to death, injuries (horses may need to be put down AFTER the race too) the drugging and whipping of dumb animals with no choice aren't an essential part of life. Why would anyone not mind horses suffering for their own entertainment? It's barbaric!

100% Jet,why should animals suffer for human entertainment,such as dog racing,bull fighting,etc,its all cruel and wrong,just because those innocents cannot speak,if humans were dying from it there would be an outcry.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b84aa21a-b6a0-4177-83a5-20fb557df6d6.png

[arista]

Some Punks
are now trying to stop the Race
By trying to get on the Grass.

Possible Delay.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/13/69861895-11975973-image-m-37_1681563301310.jpg

Thats it lads
Drag her out.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/10/69858907-11975557-image-a-20_1681549906397.jpg

Even Armed Police
are there

[arista]

Official Delay
now

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/11/69860179-11975557-image-a-12_1681555872501.jpg

[arista]

The Horses are getting hot in this heat
this is bad news.

They have to go back to the Padock area
to stop getting hot

[Kazanne]

The Horses are getting hot in this heat
this is bad news.

They have to go back to the Padock area
to stop getting hot

As if they really care about the horses,the loss of money will be on their minds.

[MTVN]

The presenting team on ITV doing a good job of highlighting how stupid the protesters are

[arista]

ITV1HD
just showed loads in Pink
trying to get on the grass

[arista]

The presenting team on ITV doing a good job of highlighting how stupid the protesters are



Yes showing the nice trainers
who are polite.

[arista]

The Race was meant to start now

[MTVN]

'What would happen if you gave one of these people a thoroughbred'

'More horses suffer accidents in a field than a racing'

'These are the best looked after horses in the world'

:clap2:

[joeysteele]

As if they really care about the horses,the loss of money will be on their minds.

Exactly and what heat???

It's not like it's 2O°+ there..

It is only money, I wonder what the Police really think on days like this.
The police have seen horses had to be killed from being in this trauma course

[Alf]

Mick Fitzgerald mentioning that horses are their families lives. It's a 24 hour job of looking after horses and it's done out of love. These protesters spend zero hours looking after horses.

[arista]

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[MTVN]

Mick Fitzgerald mentioning that horses are their families lives. It's a 24 hour job of looking after horses and it's done out of love. These protesters spend zero hours looking after horses.

They'd have no idea, horses would lead miserable lives in the control of this lot. Would no doubt be straggly, unwell and uncared for

[arista]

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[Alf]

They're actually a danger to these horses now. That's how much they care.

Horse racing is on most days of the year, why choose today? Because it's about their attention seeking and nothing else. That's how much they care for the horses.

[arista]

The Bell has Gone

Race getting ready.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/17/69865381-0-image-m-31_1681575299500.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/17/69865323-11976413-image-a-2_1681575159812.jpg

[Kazanne]

'What would happen if you gave one of these people a thoroughbred'

'More horses suffer accidents in a field than a racing'

'These are the best looked after horses in the world'

:clap2:

Sorry but thats not true in some cases.

[arista]

Race about to start

[arista]

The Race is on.

[Kazanne]

They're actually a danger to these horses now. That's how much they care.

Horse racing is on most days of the year, why choose today? Because it's about their attention seeking and nothing else. That's how much they care for the horses.

The horses are not in danger while they are not being raced Alf, thats an excuse for the owners to pretend they care, of course they will pick this race as it is the main one,they are making a point, they are hurting no one just the money makers, racing s cruel and this one more than any.

[Kazanne]

Just caught a bit of it its actually disgusting ,loose horse ploughed into etc,enjoy the cruelty

[joeysteele]

The horses are not in danger while they are not being raced Alf, thats an excuse for the owners to pretend they care, of course they will pick this race as it is the main one,they are making a point, they are hurting no one just the money makers, racing s cruel and this one more than any.

I agree with every word you say there.

[arista]

Corach Rambler Won.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/17/69865507-11976413-A_massive_police_response_was_triggered_after_two_ protesters_mad-a-40_1681576501150.jpg


Good on the Police

[Kazanne]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/17/69865507-11976413-A_massive_police_response_was_triggered_after_two_ protesters_mad-a-40_1681576501150.jpg


Good on the Police

they've probably placed a few bets !!

[arista]

A Protester
said she is sure the Jockeys
do love their horses.

BBCnewsHD Live
told her they did not stop the race

[arista]

15mins delay today

The Punk
was the one that got stopped fast

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1647286644339269633/KoJ9WsKi?format=jpg&name=small

[Kazanne]

15mins delay today

The Punk
was the one that got stopped fast

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1647286644339269633/KoJ9WsKi?format=jpg&name=small

Ones died already,how is that a fun pastime ?

[Cherie]

who was the man who said when he got home his wife would be out with the horses and she would be out again in the morning ..dafuq get out there yourself you lazy bastard

[arista]

Big Green
Screens went up
on any horses that were injured.

That makes sense
as Protestors are Photographing
and can give out false data

[Kazanne]

17 of 39 horses finish - waiting for updates on horses that fell

Well thats comforting news....NOT, we already know one has died,one too many in my opinion.

[MTVN]

Horses die every day, often through mistreatment by travellers or people who don't care for them as well as professionals do

[MTVN]

I always think it's a strange attitude that animal lovers would rather horses don't exist than be bred for racing. Why is no life better than a racing life. We already now have way fewer horses than 100 years ago when there many more working horses but animal lovers won't be happy until we extinguish many more of these beautiful, powerful, elegant creatures

[Liam-]

I think they’d be happy with animals not being killed in the name of sports actually

[arista]

I think they’d be happy with animals not being killed in the name of sports actually



Of Course.


But this Race Must go on
Every Year.

[MTVN]

I think they’d be happy with animals not being killed in the name of sports actually

A reductionist argument

[Kazanne]

I always think it's a strange attitude that animal lovers would rather horses don't exist than be bred for racing. Why is no life better than a racing life. We already now have way fewer horses than 100 years ago when there many more working horses but animal lovers won't be happy until we extinguish many more of these beautiful, powerful, elegant creatures

How is it strange ? Why put horses in danger in the name of so called sport ,no one is saying they shouldn't exist at all but let them exist in their natural state ,without being forced to jump fences and race for their lives, No animal lover wants any animal to suffer or be put in danger when there is no need for it. They are not so powerful ,elegant or beautiful when they have to be shot ect. Their legs are quite weak and not powerful , as as soon as they break a leg they are deemed no good.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/18/69866531-11976413-image-a-49_1681578667440.jpg

Ladder taken by Police

[Kazanne]

Of Course.


But this Race Must go on
Every Year.

Why MUST it arista ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

people who think they can bypass democracy because they "THINK" they are so right and everyone else is wrong should never be tolerated

hooligans

[arista]

Why MUST it arista ?



It is a International Race
all around the World.


It can not stop
for you and your friends

[arista]

people who think they can bypass democracy because they "THINK" they are so right and everyone else is wrong should never be tolerated

hooligans


Over 118 Arrested now

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/15/17/69865841-11976413-image-a-42_1681576570017.jpg

[Kazanne]

17 of 39 horses finish but Hill Sixteen put down after a fall - the third fatality of the three-day meeting,We are still waiting to discover the condition of the several horses that fell in the Grand National and we will provide an update as soon as we have it. So you all think this is acceptable as long as it pleases you ?

[arista]

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

[Kazanne]

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

One is one too many

[joeysteele]

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

Well it doesn't look too promising possibly since they haven't yet.

We are hearing of the arrests of people.
Not the unnecessary death or deaths of the horses.

If it was good news, they'd be crowing about it and how safe the race is.

As Kazanne says one is too many especially as it happens it appears every year of 1 at least beautiful being killed in a race for goodness sake.

[Alf]

17 of 39 horses finish but Hill Sixteen put down after a fall - the third fatality of the three-day meeting,We are still waiting to discover the condition of the several horses that fell in the Grand National and we will provide an update as soon as we have it. So you all think this is acceptable as long as it pleases you ?At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

[MTVN]

How is it strange ? Why put horses in danger in the name of so called sport ,no one is saying they shouldn't exist at all but let them exist in their natural state ,without being forced to jump fences and race for their lives, No animal lover wants any animal to suffer or be put in danger when there is no need for it. They are not so powerful ,elegant or beautiful when they have to be shot ect. Their legs are quite weak and not powerful , as as soon as they break a leg they are deemed no good.

Jumping and running are very natural for horses, that's when we see the greatness of the animal. What is their natural state? What about when police use them or when people used to travel by horse, that's probably not very natural either.

Truth is you get rid of horse racing and the horse population declines massively and you get a higher proportion of horses falling into low quality and uncared for lives. That seems cruel to me

[Alf]

Jumping and running are very natural for horses, that's when we see the greatness of the animal. What is their natural state? What about when police use them or when people used to travel by horse, that's probably not very natural either.

Truth is you get rid of horse racing and the horse population declines massively and you get a higher proportion of horses falling into low quality and uncared for lives. That seems cruel to meIt is cruel. Far, far more cruel.

[arista]

Well it doesn't look too promising possibly since they haven't yet.

We are hearing of the arrests of people.
Not the unnecessary death or deaths of the horses.

If it was good news, they'd be crowing about it and how safe the race is.

As Kazanne says one is too many especially as it happens it appears every year of 1 at least beautiful being killed in a race for goodness sake.


Look it will not be instant
but Only Official numbers should be posted.

That's all I ask.

[joeysteele]

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

Well if they'd never existed, they'd never have known anything.

To breed them, then in really what amounts to a kind of bloodsport to FORCE them to participate and then lose their lives in deep distress and pain because they cannot get back up on their legs.
Some life.

That's something I wouldn't want to support.

Now fair enough you do.
That's your choice and your view.

Mine is not breed them to kill them for a SO called sport in the first place.

This race has too many jumps, too many runners, is too long and has too high fences.
It's designed for cruelty and that's ALL IT IS.
In my view.

[Kazanne]

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

Of course I would Alf,don't be silly, by all means have these beautiful horse but why risk their lives by racing them like this

[Alf]

Well if they'd never existed, they'd never have known anything.

To breed them, then in really what amounts to a kind of bloodsport to FORCE them to participate and then lose their lives in deep distress and pain because they cannot get back up on their legs.
Some life.

That's something I wouldn't want to support.

Now fair enough you do.
That's your choice and your view.

Mine is not breed them to kill them for a SO called sport in the first place.

This race has too many jumps, too many runners, is too long and has too high fences.
It's designed for cruelty and that's ALL IT IS.
In my view.It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

[Kazanne]

Jumping and running are very natural for horses, that's when we see the greatness of the animal. What is their natural state? What about when police use them or when people used to travel by horse, that's probably not very natural either.

Truth is you get rid of horse racing and the horse population declines massively and you get a higher proportion of horses falling into low quality and uncared for lives. That seems cruel to me

Jumping and racing under their own steam yes,it's lovely to see them running naturally, but to be raced like that and made to jump it's not natural,its a shame we can't trust humans to look after animals properly it's all about profit, we will never stop it but why do people get so triggered when the cruelty is pointed out, irs 2023,youd'e think we would understand and care more now,seems not.

[Alf]

Jumping and racing under their own steam yes,it's lovely to see them running naturally, but to be raced like that and made to jump it's not natural,its a shame we can't trust humans to look after animals properly it's all about profit, we will never stop it but why do people get so triggered when the cruelty is pointed out, irs 2023,youd'e think we would understand and care more now,seems not.It's not cruel. It's just tragic accidents. Tragic accidents happen to all animals including humans. They don't set out for the horse to be killed just as humans don't set out to be killed in a crash on the way to work or to be killed in their job. There's no cruelty motive behind it.

[Kazanne]

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

Alf, stop being silly, no one wants to make any animals extinct, but we are doing a good job of that anyway, but as Joey said they are bred simply for money and racing, it's selfish greedy humans again,each to their own but we are also allowed to have opposing opinions ,how can anyone enjoy that spectical today, I caught about 10 seconds that was enough, I get you enjoy it and a flutter but not everyone does .

[jet]

I'm totally with you Kazanne, it's bloody disgusting. The National is far too dangerous a course, if a few jockeys got killed they would soon put a stop to it.
But it's only horses, who cares, they can't feel agonizing pain when their bodies get broken, apparently.

[Alf]

When those horses win prize money, it pays for their stables, their food, their vets bills, their grooms. They're earning their keep and danger is just a part of life for everyone.

[Kazanne]

It's not cruel. It's just tragic accidents. Tragic accidents happen to all animals including humans. They don't set out for the horse to be killed just as humans don't set out to be killed in a crash on the way to work or to be killed in their job. There's no cruelty motive behind it.

If it wasn't for the betting and spectical ,those horses would still be alive why put them in a position of danger,we know at least one will die most every year,plus all the deaths never mentioned in other races, we won't agree ,imo it's cruel and unnecessary.

[Crimson Dynamo]

wild horses get no vet care or love and attention and are left to the elements

these horses get all the best vet care available and love and attention and are protected from the elements

[Alf]

If it wasn't for the betting and spectical ,those horses would still be alive why put them in a position of danger,we know at least one will die most every year,plus all the deaths never mentioned in other races, we won't agree ,imo it's cruel and unnecessary.No they wouldn't still be alive, they'd have never have existed because nobody would have wanted them or wanted to actual care for them.

[Kazanne]

When those horses win prize money, it pays for their stables, their food, their vets bills, their grooms. They're earning their keep and danger is just a part of life for everyone.

Why should they pay with their lives?to make money for humans ?

[Alf]

Why should they pay with their lives?to make money for humans ?Why should humans who die on the job to make money for humans? They do it so that they can have a roof over their head and food in their belly. The race horses do the same.

[Kazanne]

I'm totally with you Kazanne, it's bloody disgusting. The National is far too dangerous a course, if a few jockeys got killed they would soon put a stop to it.
But it's only horses, who cares, they can't feel agonizing pain when their bodies get broken, apparently.

I know I'm in the minority here Jet along with you and Joey, but no one will convince me any animal should be a money making machine .

[joeysteele]

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

What tripe.
No I don't want any animals extinct..
Even without ALL racing Horses wouldn't be extinct or even near to being and you know that surely.

I'll leave it there because Kazanne has said just about all I was intending to as to your post.

How on earth can wanting the fullest protection for any animals, be wanting to make them extinct.
Really, for goodness sake.

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=Alf;11281235]Why should humans who die on the job to make money for humans? They do it so that they can have a roof over their head and food in their belly. Th
race horses do the same.[/QUOTE

Horses don't have that thought complex Alf, they don't know any difference,they are forced to race.

[Mystic Mock]

I have nothing personal against Horse Racing as a concept, but I really don't like how big the fences can be at the Grand National.

[joeysteele]

I have nothing personal against Horse Racing as a concept, but I really don't like how big the fences can be at the Grand National.

Nearly every year they try to tell us they've made the course safer.

Yet still deaths continue.
Because they haven't and it's just lip service deceit.

I agree the fences always have been and remain still, way too high plus there's way too many of them too in my view.

Then people who know this and set out to highlight same, end up getting arrested.
Shameful.

[Beso]

Race should have been cancelled.


50 quid it cost me to kill one horse.

[MTVN]

Alf, LT and me are the true animal lovers here I think :love:

[Beso]

Alf, LT and me are the true animal lovers here I think :love:

Hull, brummie and red nose day fans favourite rangers.yes, you 3 love you're animals. True.

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/grand-national-delayed-as-protesters-forcibly-removed-from-racecourse-12857807

3 Horses Died
Official Count.

A sad loss/

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

Tbh, if horses were set free, there would be more daily deaths Involving horses and garden fences than racing fences ever have done.

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

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The only disgrace is 3 horses dying,typical press blaming those who try to stop animals dying

[Mystic Mock]

Nearly every year they try to tell us they've made the course safer.

Yet still deaths continue.
Because they haven't and it's just lip service deceit.

I agree the fences always have been and remain still, way too high plus there's way too many of them too in my view.

Then people who know this and set out to highlight same, end up getting arrested.
Shameful.

I agree with you Joey.

I personally feel like the main appeal of the Grand National should be seeing some of the best Horses taking each other on, not how big the fences are.

[jet]

I’ll never get how anyone could enjoy this death race. Imagine watching something where you know those majestic, beautiful animals are going to be whipped and some killed in front of your eyes for entertainment and a little flutter. How far have we come from Medieval Times, eh?

[Beso]

I agree with you Joey.

I personally feel like the main appeal of the Grand National should be seeing some of the best Horses taking each other on, not how big the fences are.

The best horses would jump the big fences

[joeysteele]

I’ll never get how anyone could enjoy this death race. Imagine watching something where you know those majestic, beautiful animals are going to be whipped and some killed in front of your eyes for entertainment and a little flutter. How far have we come from Medieval Times, eh?

Actually this for me.

I adore animals and respect all life.
To breed to risk killing for sport is something I abhor.

Plus the notion they are well looked after is pie in the sky as to some owners.
If they don't deliver on the racecourse, plus once they are more aged and not suitable to race anymore.
Their next fate can be anything from being discarded or sent to slaughter.

I love animals.
The real people wrong yesterday were those glorifying in a race that sees deaths every year now.

Horses are intelligent and beautiful beings.
This race now really is a grand national DISGRACE, it shouldn't be a legitimate race.
That's my view from MY deep love of all animals.
I wouldn't ever risk putting any animal into an event where it COULD more likely be killed.
So I'll take no lectures from those who would and even seem to enjoy seeing it done too.

[arista]

I noticed this year, after the race
Horses got more buckets of water over them.
As they are so Hot after that race

[jet]

Actually this for me.

I adore animals and respect all life.
To breed to risk killing for sport is something I abhor.

Plus the notion they are well looked after is pie in the sky as to some owners.
If they don't deliver on the racecourse, plus once they are more aged and not suitable to race anymore.
Their next fate can be anything from being discarded or sent to slaughter.

I love animals.
The real people wrong yesterday were those glorifying in a race that sees deaths every year now.

Horses are intelligent and beautiful beings.
This race now really is a grand national DISGRACE, it shouldn't be a legitimate race.
That's my view from MY deep love of all animals.
I wouldn't ever risk putting any animal into an event where it COULD more likely be killed.
So I'll take no lectures from those who would and even seem to enjoy seeing it done too.

100% agree Joey.

[Nicky91]

:clap1: :clap1:

good

cancel grand national

[MTVN]

I noticed this year, after the race
Horses got more buckets of water over them.
As they are so Hot after that race

Yes a good welfare move

[rusticgal]

Actually this for me.

I adore animals and respect all life.
To breed to risk killing for sport is something I abhor.

Plus the notion they are well looked after is pie in the sky as to some owners.
If they don't deliver on the racecourse, plus once they are more aged and not suitable to race anymore.
Their next fate can be anything from being discarded or sent to slaughter.

I love animals.
The real people wrong yesterday were those glorifying in a race that sees deaths every year now.

Horses are intelligent and beautiful beings.
This race now really is a grand national DISGRACE, it shouldn't be a legitimate race.
That's my view from MY deep love of all animals.
I wouldn't ever risk putting any animal into an event where it COULD more likely be killed.
So I'll take no lectures from those who would and even seem to enjoy seeing it done too.


Well said Joey..

[joeysteele]

I noticed this year, after the race
Horses got more buckets of water over them.
As they are so Hot after that race

While televised yes, well and truly to the leading ones.

Would be interesting to see what was afforded to the ones who didn't do so well or live up to owners expectations in the race.

Some ended up with injuries, another had to be killed.
Cool water not any consolation to any of them.

However selectively look at the lip service kind of caring while in the public eye if you must..
While completely avoiding the REAL horrors of this event to the others.

[Kazanne]

Actually this for me.

I adore animals and respect all life.
To breed to risk killing for sport is something I abhor.

Plus the notion they are well looked after is pie in the sky as to some owners.
If they don't deliver on the racecourse, plus once they are more aged and not suitable to race anymore.
Their next fate can be anything from being discarded or sent to slaughter.

I love animals.
The real people wrong yesterday were those glorifying in a race that sees deaths every year now.

Horses are intelligent and beautiful beings.
This race now really is a grand national DISGRACE, it shouldn't be a legitimate race.
That's my view from MY deep love of all animals.
I wouldn't ever risk putting any animal into an event where it COULD more likely be killed.
So I'll take no lectures from those who would and even seem to enjoy seeing it done too.

it should be renamed the death race as that is what it is and bloody well said Joey,my sentiments exactly,you cant say you are an animal lover if you are prepared to turn a blind eye at this 3 horses died yesterday,needlessly,its fooking abhorent. Money over animal welfare for most.

[Kazanne]

The best horses would jump the big fences

The best horses would walk away given the chance Parmy.

[Mystic Mock]

The best horses would jump the big fences

Fair enough on that.

But the best Horses can still be celebrated while being safer than it currently is.

I get that the odd incident will happen sadly, but 22 Horses failing to complete the race is more than an incident, especially with 3 of the Horses dead.

[Kazanne]

You got to laugh or you'de cry, news saying the horse racing committee Is looking into
Saturdays debarcle saying their thoughts are with all the trainers jockeys and owners of the horses !!!!!!! NOTHING about the loss of the horses, oh well I'm sure they can soon be replaced to make them money, bloody low lifes.

[Mystic Mock]

You got to laugh or you'de cry, news saying the horse racing committee Is looking into
Saturdays debarcle saying their thoughts are with all the trainers jockeys and owners of the horses !!!!!!! NOTHING about the loss of the horses, oh well I'm sure they can soon be replaced to make them money, bloody low lifes.

Most Sports Organizations (including FIFA in this) only really care about making money, unfortunately they don't really care about anything else, they just pretend to care.

The only compliment I can give the Horse Racing Committee is that they appear to be more honest about it.

[joeysteele]

You got to laugh or you'de cry, news saying the horse racing committee Is looking into
Saturdays debarcle saying their thoughts are with all the trainers jockeys and owners of the horses !!!!!!! NOTHING about the loss of the horses, oh well I'm sure they can soon be replaced to make them money, bloody low lifes.

Low lifes is a good description.

They're looking into it.
They say.
How many times have lies been told that that disgrace of a race has been made safer.
Yet clearly it hasn't.
So what next, they'll look into it again.

Ignorant lying uncaring low lifes as you indicate.

I cannot really print what I'd like to about that disgraceful committee.
However I'll tell them why the Horses were killed..
Because they've done nothing about that cruel bloodsport of a race and event, that's WHY!!!
Shameful and despicable.

[arista]

[Grand National: Protesters are to blame for my
horse's death, trainer claims

Hill Sixteen - trained by Sandy Thomson - suffered a
fatal fall at the first fence,
but the Scottish handler blames animal rights activists
for causing the "hyper" horse to die.]


See Kaz
the Full Picture now coming out.


https://news.sky.com/story/grand-national-trainer-of-horse-that-suffered-fatal-fall-blames-ignorant-animal-rising-protesters-for-death-12859159

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

[Grand National: Protesters are to blame for my
horse's death, trainer claims

Hill Sixteen - trained by Sandy Thomson - suffered a
fatal fall at the first fence,
but the Scottish handler blames animal rights activists
for causing the "hyper" horse to die.]


See Kaz
the Full Picture now coming out.


https://news.sky.com/story/grand-national-trainer-of-horse-that-suffered-fatal-fall-blames-ignorant-animal-rising-protesters-for-death-12859159

That's speculation rather than evidence.

[Kazanne]

[Grand National: Protesters are to blame for my
horse's death, trainer claims

Hill Sixteen - trained by Sandy Thomson - suffered a
fatal fall at the first fence,
but the Scottish handler blames animal rights activists
for causing the "hyper" horse to die.]


See Kaz
the Full Picture now coming out.


https://news.sky.com/story/grand-national-trainer-of-horse-that-suffered-fatal-fall-blames-ignorant-animal-rising-protesters-for-death-12859159

Oh arista,lol of course they will blame anyone but themselves,so what about all the others that have been killed without the protesters there? So sorry, no one to blame but the racing fraternity, racing killed the horses not delays,if anything the delay gave them a little more life!! Such as it is.

[bots]

Simple fact, if the race were not run, the horses wouldn't have died. Blaming the protestors is insulting

[joeysteele]

[Grand National: Protesters are to blame for my
horse's death, trainer claims

Hill Sixteen - trained by Sandy Thomson - suffered a
fatal fall at the first fence,
but the Scottish handler blames animal rights activists
for causing the "hyper" horse to die.]


See Kaz
the Full Picture now coming out.


https://news.sky.com/story/grand-national-trainer-of-horse-that-suffered-fatal-fall-blames-ignorant-animal-rising-protesters-for-death-12859159



Where is that the full picture??

Didn't the police have protesters arrested before the race was started.
If not WHY did they start the race when they did???

You may see this as the full picture actually all it is, is smudging over the full picture.
To transfer any blame from the cruel and maybe inept handlers who can't or won't read their horses emotions.

What about all the around 15 Horses killed for entertainment in this race since the year 2000.
Were they all hyper from protesters??

You get to know Horses, they respond to you.
They demonstrate their willingness and reluctance from their own intelligence..
Good owners, trainers and handlers know their Horses inside out.

Where was this handler screaming not to let it run because it was too hyper?
That handler really was shocking and inept to see a horse race they believed was too hyper to do so in such a dangerous race.

Nothing was said at the start because what the handler NOW is saying is more utter tripe to cover up for a bad owner, trainer and handlers.

However keep on with the protection of the greed of this race, the more bad ownership, bad trainers and handlers.
Rather than respect the lives of beautiful beings such as Horses and blame their deaths on anything and anyone other than this now despicable race.
Even to blame the poor Horse itself.
Shocking.

[Kazanne]

Where is that the full picture??

Didn't the police have protesters arrested before the race was started.
If not WHY did they start the race when they did???

You may see this as the full picture actually all it is, is smudging over the full picture.
To transfer any blame from the cruel and maybe inept handlers who can't or won't read their horses emotions.

What about all the around 15 Horses killed for entertainment in this race since the year 2000.
Were they all hyper from protesters??

You get to know Horses, they respond to you.
They demonstrate their willingness and reluctance from their own intelligence..
Good owners, trainers and handlers know their Horses inside out.

Where was this handler screaming not to let it run because it was too hyper?
That handler really was shocking and inept to see a horse race they believed was too hyper to do so in such a dangerous race.

Nothing was said at the start because what the handler NOW is saying is more utter tripe to cover up for a bad owner, trainer and handlers.

However keep on with the protection of the greed of this race, the more bad ownership, bad trainers and handlers.
Rather than respect the lives of beautiful beings such as Horses and blame their deaths on anything and anyone other than this now despicable race.
Even to blame the poor Horse itself.
Shocking.

Just proves Joey, the welfare of the horses was never considered,but the loss of money was,hence the race went ahead regardless of what that horse trainer said that they were getting impatient etc,what a load of bollox,he must think we are all as stipid as him.

[joeysteele]

Just proves Joey, the welfare of the horses was never considered,but the loss of money was,hence the race went ahead regardless of what that horse trainer said that they were getting impatient etc,what a load of bollox,he must think we are all as stipid as him.


Exactly Kazanne.

The real welfare of the Horses is not only way down the list, it's not even likely on the list of priorities.

Greed, pure greed.

It makes me cringe when they say these racehorses have lives of luxury almost.
If they're successful in races, they will likely be, for as long as they remain successful.
For the majority of other Horses, their lives are not all that wonderful as they get pushed more and more to become successful.
If they never do much then they get discarded to any who'll give the best price for them.
Or they'll end up being sent to slaughter.
Some of the owners not giving a damn what happens as long as they get rid of them.

So much for supposed good lives.
I honestly think any really caring or decent Racehorse owner would never put one of his Horses in this despicable grand (huh), national race now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/16/20/69890709-11979131-image-a-17_1681673780096.jpg


When people ask me what I think about the actions of the protesters who
tried to disrupt the Grand National, I’m reminded of what happened to a
horse called Brindisi Breeze.

He was the first Cheltenham Festival winner for my partner Lucinda Russell
and we were dreaming of what races he might contest.

But in a paddock for his summer holidays, he escaped by jumping a fence,
got on to a road and was killed in a collision with a lorry. Life is fragile, life is
unpredictable and it is never devoid of risk. Death is an uncomfortable fact
for all us.

My feelings for Corach Rambler are already on record. He has a special place
in my heart and I am content that the test he was set at Aintree in the Grand National was fair.

He will soon go out for his summer holiday. Hopefully he will enjoy the
sunshine on his back in his paddock, but I will still worry about him every
day.

By contrast, Saturday’s race was unbelievably smooth. Corach and his rider
Derek Fox seemed to be in their own bubble.

They got a bit of luck when a loose horse jumped across them at the Canal
Turn but Corach handled that moment.

What I can control is trying to eliminate suffering and that is the ethos I bring

to training horses such as Corach Rambler.

Plenty of advances in veterinary medicine, which benefit other equine sports

and the horse population in general, have been made because of

developments in the welfare of horses.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-11979131/PETER-SCUDAMORE-Corach-Rambler-special-place-heart-worry-day.html

[Oliver_W]

general have
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[Kazanne]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/16/20/69890709-11979131-image-a-17_1681673780096.jpg


When people ask me what I think about the actions of the protesters who
tried to disrupt the Grand National, I’m reminded of what happened to a
horse called Brindisi Breeze.

He was the first Cheltenham Festival winner for my partner Lucinda Russell
and we were dreaming of what races he might contest.

But in a paddock for his summer holidays, he escaped by jumping a fence,
got on to a road and was killed in a collision with a lorry. Life is fragile, life is
unpredictable and it is never devoid of risk. Death is an uncomfortable fact
for all us.

My feelings for Corach Rambler are already on record. He has a special place
in my heart and I am content that the test he was set at Aintree in the Grand National was fair.

He will soon go out for his summer holiday. Hopefully he will enjoy the
sunshine on his back in his paddock, but I will still worry about him every
day.

By contrast, Saturday’s race was unbelievably smooth. Corach and his rider
Derek Fox seemed to be in their own bubble.

They got a bit of luck when a loose horse jumped across them at the Canal
Turn but Corach handled that moment.

What I can control is trying to eliminate suffering and that is the ethos I bring

to training horses such as Corach Rambler.

Plenty of advances in veterinary medicine, which benefit other equine sports

and the horse population in general, have been made because of

developments in the welfare of horses.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-11979131/PETER-SCUDAMORE-Corach-Rambler-special-place-heart-worry-day.html

But this isnt an accident they were made to run ,it could have been avoided.

[Crimson Dynamo]

1,877,964,024

animals have been killed for food
this year in the United Kingdom

number of horses that died at the Aintree festival = 3

https://animalclock.org/uk/

[Kazanne]

1,877,964,024

animals have been killed for food
this year in the United Kingdom

number of horses that died at the Aintree festival = 3

https://animalclock.org/uk/

Many more than that LT over the years , I don't eat animals either imo,there is no need in this day and age,each to their own but eating meat or dairy is not for me either,it all comes under animal cruelty, I love animals so will not be eating them. Since the first Grand National in 1839, 84 horses have died during the event. Around 41 of those deaths took place between 2000 and 2012. that is just the Grand National figures,looking at all other racing it will be much more. At Aintree alone, 55 horses have died since 2000, including 15 during the Grand National itself, while in 2021 there were 200 horse fatalities across Britain.The link you posted is very sad and that is important to me too,i dont want to be part of that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Alf]

oKOdkyds5JcAgree with Nige, it's time to start being intolerant of them. They are the enemy of us. The authorities need to either do something about them or if they don't then the people should do it themselves. We can no longer allow these spoilt children the freedom to keep disrupting our lives.

And if the people do take action themselves and the authorities come down on the people instead, then we know that these groups are working for the globalist elites to purpousley cause disruption, which is what many believe is the case.

[user104658]

1,877,964,024

animals have been killed for food
this year in the United Kingdom

number of horses that died at the Aintree festival = 3

https://animalclock.org/uk/

Obviously there's a huge gulf in the numbers that would seem to trivialise this -- but personally I'd say there's genuinely a big difference in animals being killed for food, and animals being killed in the name of entertainment.

[arista]

Yes the Grand National
is making more efforts
and updating rules.

[joeysteele]

Obviously there's a huge gulf in the numbers that would seem to trivialise this -- but personally I'd say there's genuinely a big difference in animals being killed for food, and animals being killed in the name of entertainment.

Massively so as to a difference.

[Gusto Brunt]

I haven't watched The Grand National for about 16 years and YES it is cruel. :fist: :mad:

[arista]

I haven't watched The Grand National for about 16 years and YES it is cruel. :fist: :mad:


Thats OK



But Next year, it is going to be better
more improvements will be carried out.

[arista]

1,877,964,024

animals have been killed for food
this year in the United Kingdom

number of horses that died at the Aintree festival = 3

https://animalclock.org/uk/



Yes, and those 3 Horses that sadly died,
were not all on the Grand National day.

A fact that "some" posters MISS
on purpose.

[arista]

Just Stop Oil
are now going to Protest
The London Marathon this Sunday

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just Stop Oil
are now going to Protest
The London Marathon this Sunday

If they stop the marathon how will all the runners flood social media with their times and images of them with their medals?

D:

[bots]

are they going to turn the marathon into a steeplechase? :worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

are they going to turn the marathon into a steeplechase? :worry:

it would make the whole total bore-fest more interesting tbh

[Alf]

Just Stop Oil
are now going to Protest
The London Marathon this SundayFight them on the streets. Its time to give them some discipline that they've not ever experienced which makes them the ignorant, intolerant people they are.

They want war. Let's give them it.

[Alf]

Why don't these people ever try breaking into Downing Street?

Anyone have the answer for that? Why is their target always the general public. Mainly the working class?

[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-05afe4a7-95f4-458e-8e21-525adec44a26.jpeg

[Kazanne]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-05afe4a7-95f4-458e-8e21-525adec44a26.jpeg

This kind of protest is just silly, but I think the protesters who do it to try and save animal lives have a valid point, looks like this is just the loss of a pool table and some angry people.

[Beso]

Dont make much sense to block a load of humans using their own power to get around when you are complaining about the climate changing.

Spose I might watch past rotherhithe and my favourite pub l, the brunel now. Just to see if anything exciting happens.

Ive not been this perched since thingammy had to stop for a **** 3/4s of the way round. Maybe that's what it's all about..methane!

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1648781552266911744?s=20

[user104658]

1648410185432707072

Ree Smogg banging on about Tidal Energy only being produced twice a day :joker: FFS

He states it with such authority too.

That's not how it works at all, high tide is used to fill a tidal reservoir and the potential energy is then released at a steady rate until the next high tide refills the reservoir. It's actually one of THE most steady and reliable forms of renewable energy, with huge potential. Crucuially - the potential energy is stored naturally and can create a controllable and steady power generation without relying on batteries.

The tech just isn't quite there yet, which is what he should have focussed on in this debate. Tidal energy will be a great energy source when it's better developed.

Ree Smogg mounting an entire argument based on a complete misunderstanding that tidal energy only generates energy when the tides are turning. Umm.

[Alf]

Ree Smogg banging on about Tidal Energy only being produced twice a day :joker: FFS

He states it with such authority too.

That's not how it works at all, high tide is used to fill a tidal reservoir and the potential energy is then released at a steady rate until the next high tide refills the reservoir. It's actually one of THE most steady and reliable forms of renewable energy, with huge potential. Crucuially - the potential energy is stored naturally and can create a controllable and steady power generation without relying on batteries.

The tech just isn't quite there yet, which is what he should have focussed on in this debate. Tidal energy will be a great energy source when it's better developed.

Ree Smogg mounting an entire argument based on a complete misunderstanding that tidal energy only generates energy when the tides are turning. Umm.Arista, will you tell this guy that Jacob is more educated than him?

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1648781552266911744?s=20

To be fair the only person who comes across well here is the poor chap on the right. Pier is the other half of the problem here, as usual. Of course it's all deliberate for views ... no one actually wants to hear a real debate, they want to hear a couple of prats kicking off at each other.

[user104658]

Arista, will you tell this guy that Jacob is more educated than him?

I don't know how educated Ree Smogg is or isn't but I do know he didn't do his homework on tidal energy, because he insists "it only gives energy twice a day" 3 or 4 times and that's simply incorrect.

[arista]

https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-big-one/?ANref=TwitterAds&twclid=2-ta845dkqkpec9bxfgior3jk2


Parliament Square 10am 21–24 April
People’s Pickets 7am 21 & 24 April


Starts Tomorrow
Police will be busy

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Just Stop Oil spokesperson = some stupid kid

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Yes Good on Australia SkyNews
showing that.

Yes it's typical of that Group