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secrets
07-07-2007, 04:19 AM
i personally object to the smoking ban cause it seems gradually ,by steath,our civil liberties are being eroded.
whats wrong with there being smoking pubs/restaurants and non smoking ones.?
no,i dont smoke and frankly smokers dont bother me.
i heard the next thing will be banning drinking in pubs.:cheer2: lol.
Dr43%er
07-07-2007, 09:34 AM
Do you work in a pub?
I'm against the smoking ban as well. I don't smoke myself, and while I don't work in a pub now, I have worked in a total of 8 pubs in the past.
I smoke myself but as for the smoking ban instead of having a ban why dont they start to have the seperate bars in a pub as they used to have like have a smokers room and a none smokers room :puzzled:
nodisharmony
11-07-2007, 09:05 PM
The Smoking ban is a great thing:thumbs:
Those who choose to ignore it will get fined, if they are caught, that is:rolleyes:
Naturally, I am a Non-smoker and hate the smell and everything which goes with it. But I have much stronger views against it, so this is like Birthday & Xmas all rolled into one.
I know quite a few smokers who have now kicked the habit.
That is the best direction to go. It's for the best, in every way:bigsmile:
nodisharmony :angel:
spitfire
11-07-2007, 09:12 PM
I love the smoking ban.
Cant wait for the winter and all the smokers outside there work places getting wet.:joker:
nodisharmony
11-07-2007, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by spitfire
I love the smoking ban.
Cant wait for the winter and all the smokers outside there work places getting wet.:joker:
I know spitfire.
In the past, non-smokers had to suffer in offices and enclosed spaces, pubs, clubs, etc.. and try to breathe too.
If you go up to one smoker and ask politely that it is making you feel ill or you are finding it hard to breathe, they will reply:-
***** off, I will smoke when I *****ing like.
Look's like the tables have turned now.
Justice for a change:laugh:
nodisharmony :angel:
The smoking ban is terrible. It's a nanny state gone mad.
The government heaps up the tax on cigarettes and then what do smokers get? A ban? How nice of them.
And if people are now forced to smoke outside, they'll start leaving cigarette stubs in the streets, etc...
What's wrong with smoking areas and non-smoking areas?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like smoking and I will never smoke, but no-one forces anyone to smoke, and people should not be punished just because they smoke.
The smoking ban is great!
Why should non-smokers put up with the augmented risk of developing lung cancer because of second hand smoke?
Imagine the smoke a barman/barmaid used to inhale during an evening of work.
nodisharmony
11-07-2007, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Matt
The smoking ban is terrible. It's a nanny state gone mad.
The government heaps up the tax on cigarettes and then what do smokers get? A ban? How nice of them.
And if people are now forced to smoke outside, they'll start leaving cigarette stubs in the streets, etc...
What's wrong with smoking areas and non-smoking areas?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like smoking and I will never smoke, but no-one forces anyone to smoke, and people should not be punished just because they smoke.
It is the neverending inconsideration for non-smokers which has prompted this ban, along with this Americanized society, where everyone is suing each other.
Not to mention, what it is costing the NHS.
Also, the Customs and Excise are not checking as many bags and cars coming from Europe, checking for contraband Fags & Tobacco.
It is all about so many issues, but it will be a great move, when everyone just accepts the inevitable.
nodisharmony :angel:
spitfire
11-07-2007, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Matt but no-one forces anyone to smoke, and people should not be punished just because they smoke. Exactley Matt,no one forces smokers to smoke but smokers force me to smoke,pre-law.So why should i be punished for not smoking.
And they do have seprate smoking areas now.......outside!:dance:
Tanser_Man
11-07-2007, 10:48 PM
Can i just say, i went clubbing over the weekend and it was 10x better.
I didn't come home smelling like an ashtray, my chest wasn't hurting and i wasn't coughing up my lungs due to passive smoking and i didn't get burnt by a fag! Which is great!
What i did notice was the amount of people outside the clubs smoking, all i can say is... bring on the winter!
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Matt
The smoking ban is terrible. It's a nanny state gone mad.
The government heaps up the tax on cigarettes and then what do smokers get? A ban? How nice of them.
And if people are now forced to smoke outside, they'll start leaving cigarette stubs in the streets, etc...
What's wrong with smoking areas and non-smoking areas?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like smoking and I will never smoke, but no-one forces anyone to smoke, and people should not be punished just because they smoke.
It is the neverending inconsideration for non-smokers which has prompted this ban, along with this Americanized society, where everyone is suing each other.
Not to mention, what it is costing the NHS.
Also, the Customs and Excise are not checking as many bags and cars coming from Europe, checking for contraband Fags & Tobacco.
It is all about so many issues, but it will be a great move, when everyone just accepts the inevitable.
nodisharmony :angel:
The NHS makes more money from smokers than it spends on curing smoking related diseases though! They now spend twice as much treating obesity related disease as they do treating smoking related diseases. If everyone in Britain stopped smoking all at once, the government would NOT be happy about that at all!
The smoking ban is a terrible thing.
Also the smoking ban will not stop people smuggling fags into the country!
Lauren
13-07-2007, 12:46 AM
If someone chooses to smell like a pigs arse then let them, but it shouldn't be forced onto me. They made a choice to smoke, I didn't make a choice not to smoke - I just didn't do it. If they don't wanna go outside in the freezing cold to smoke then don't - just don't smoke - surely as humans they have the miniscule amount of self-control needed to just not stick the fag in their gob.
All my family smoke apart from me, and I'ma putting my foot down *stamps*
x-xSapphirex-x
13-07-2007, 12:54 AM
great in other ways bad because in pubs my daddy goes and my uncle and im used 2 smokers in the pubs when i go there with my dad !!
spitfire
13-07-2007, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Matt
The smoking ban is terrible. It's a nanny state gone mad.
The government heaps up the tax on cigarettes and then what do smokers get? A ban? How nice of them.
And if people are now forced to smoke outside, they'll start leaving cigarette stubs in the streets, etc...
What's wrong with smoking areas and non-smoking areas?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like smoking and I will never smoke, but no-one forces anyone to smoke, and people should not be punished just because they smoke.
It is the neverending inconsideration for non-smokers which has prompted this ban, along with this Americanized society, where everyone is suing each other.
Not to mention, what it is costing the NHS.
Also, the Customs and Excise are not checking as many bags and cars coming from Europe, checking for contraband Fags & Tobacco.
It is all about so many issues, but it will be a great move, when everyone just accepts the inevitable.
nodisharmony :angel:
The NHS makes more money from smokers than it spends on curing smoking related diseases though! They now spend twice as much treating obesity related disease as they do treating smoking related diseases. If everyone in Britain stopped smoking all at once, the government would NOT be happy about that at all! So smoke to save the NHS?:laugh3:
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Ruth
The NHS makes more money from smokers than it spends on curing smoking related diseases though! They now spend twice as much treating obesity related disease as they do treating smoking related diseases. If everyone in Britain stopped smoking all at once, the government would NOT be happy about that at all!
The smoking ban is a terrible thing.
Also the smoking ban will not stop people smuggling fags into the country!
Hi Ruth, our first debate together since you left, but eh, all roads that leave TIBB, are circle-roads that lead back here.
Glad your back:thumbs:
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Anyway, in answer to your reply
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You say that the NHS makes more money from people smoking than those who don't smoke.
I haven't even thought about that statistic and if you wrote a letter to the Health Secretery, I am sure the reply may differ considerably. Then visit a Hospital and talk to nurses, doctors & sergeons and see what they say and think on the matter.
Obesety is another subject matter and I agree it is also a problem, even more so in the USA, but as this is a smoking debate, I shall place that issue to one side.
Nobody in the Government will ever think that everyone will stop smoking at once, it won't happen & can't happen.
They are realists and so am I, and certainly much more on this matter of disgusting cigarette smoke.
The smoking ban in a great thing and something I wished had happened 23 years ago, when I was working in an office and choking on the smoke from other smoking employees. That is the worst part about Cigarettes, "Passive smoke"
I know that the Smoking ban won't stop people stop bringing fags & tobacco into the country, but the Customs & Excise could do a lot more about it though, if the government intervenes.
What I suggest, is, a more stringent operation and anyone who exceeds the amount which is allowed into the country legally is fined £1000 instantly and all cigs & tobacco confiscated.
The rule being implemented properly and enforced to the letter. Also, anyone going beyond that and bringing 1000's & 1000's of Cigs & Tobacco back, get's a £10,000 fine instead.
Get things in perspective...
nodisharmony :angel:
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Lauren
If someone chooses to smell like a pigs **** then let them, but it shouldn't be forced onto me. They made a choice to smoke, I didn't make a choice not to smoke - I just didn't do it. If they don't want to go outside in the freezing cold to smoke then don't - just don't smoke - surely as humans they have the miniscule amount of self-control needed to just not stick the fag in their gob.
All my family smoke apart from me, and I'ma putting my foot down *stamps*
I know how you feel Lauren and I am going to start a thread all about that issue, of Smoking in the house and the family all breathing in the horrible Cigarette smoke.
Smokers will have to go outside and smoke, cold, wet, snow, rain, sunshine, thunder/lightning.
That's a shame:bigsmile: not...
nodisharmony :angel:
sarahtheangel
13-07-2007, 08:57 AM
the smoking ban will of course create more non smokers which is a good thing , i smoke have tryed so many times cant give it up . if so many people give up great. but taxes will get higher as a smoker we pay tax on our fags so the goverment will get that tax from everyone else including you non smokers
I'm not saying smoke to save the NHS!!! I don't smoke myself anyway. BUt I'm pointing out the government's hypocrisy in this matter. People are all thinking the ban is great because they are only thinking about what they want personally. There is a much bigger issue here, and not many people seem to be addressing it. You're all happy for the government to take away your civil liberties when it's something that you don't want to do anyway. Let's see what happens when they try to ban something that you do want to do. It's not a question of whether you like smoking or not. If it was that simple, I would support the ban, seeing as I don't smoke.
I think smoking in pubs should be at the discretion of the landlord. If, for example, and landlord runs a famly pub with lots of children, he may well decide that he will ban smoking in there. However, some of the pubs I've worked in have been little local pubs where the vast majority of customers are smokers. I believe the landlord should have the choice of keeping smoking in that pub. If non-smokers choose not to go in there, well, that's fine.
Further - I cannot believe that they have banned smoking in private members clubs. That's disgraceful.
Edit: Hi Nodis - thanks for your kind comments:spin2:
secrets
13-07-2007, 09:26 AM
you are absolutely right Ruth.
just wait until they ban something that other folks want to do,then it will be a different story.!
lets ban chocolate,alcohol,doughnuts,eggs,cheese.....its all bad so we are told.!
welcome to police state Britain. gggrrrr
Sunny_01
13-07-2007, 09:28 AM
I am an ex-smoker (nearly a year) and in fact I am opposed to the smoking ban. As I am a home based worker should I still smoke I would not be allowed to smoke in my own home!! my husband has his own business and is not allowed to smoke in his company vehicles!
I never as a smoker would have told anyone to get lost if they told me the smell was making them feel sick, I do have a little more character about me. Also I hate the way the non-smokers see it as a punishment for smokers and enjoy their discomfort.
I agree with those who are enjoying cleaner clubbing etc.. but I dont agree with many aspects of the current law.
Ruth*Star
13-07-2007, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by spitfire
I love the smoking ban.
Cant wait for the winter and all the smokers outside there work places getting wet.:joker:
I totally Agree with that, i lost my nana because she smoked so i'm strongly for the ban.
I love the new smoking ban! I can go out for a drink (Non Alcoholic!) and not have to worry about my baby being poisioned! It's about time smoking in public places was banned, If people are that desperate fir a cig they can go outside!
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Lauren
If someone chooses to smell like a pigs **** then let them, but it shouldn't be forced onto me. They made a choice to smoke, I didn't make a choice not to smoke - I just didn't do it. If they don't want to go outside in the freezing cold to smoke then don't - just don't smoke - surely as humans they have the miniscule amount of self-control needed to just not stick the fag in their gob.
All my family smoke apart from me, and I'ma putting my foot down *stamps*
I know how you feel Lauren and I am going to start a thread all about that issue, of Smoking in the house and the family all breathing in the horrible Cigarette smoke.
Smokers will have to go outside and smoke, cold, wet, snow, rain, sunshine, thunder/lightning.
That's a shame:bigsmile: not...
nodisharmony :angel:
Your coming off as the classic ignorant , gleefull non smoker who wishes those who choose to smoke to be more like them.
Im not living in England and im not sure on the specifics of the smoking ban over their but if people want to enjoy a quiet cigarette [like me] then let them. Health risks yes , but its their life. As strange as it sounds , the gradual forbidding of cigarettes may in fact romanticize them to a degree.
Its like what John Stuart Mill said , lets do unto ourselves what we want as long as it does not harm anyone else.
And for those complaining about passive smoking , really , their is many , many places you can move to where your not in the company of smoke. And please stop making posts describing your epic battles with the evils of ash smelling clothes on a Saturday night. Its not that bad guys.
If we look at it that way , we should ****ing ban drink because of people getting sick on the streets IM WALKING ON and random scumbags pissed getting stuck into me on while walking home on a Saturday night.
Isint that passivly affecting me?! What does more damage.? Joe #477 outside the bar having a cigarette , or John #777 falling over , getting into fights , and pissing on the dustbins?!
I certainly have a feeling its John thats making the streets look worse.
But I guess some of you non-smokers drink , so banning drink would effectivly bring about the end of civilization as we know it.
But theres no such thing as passive drinking is there?
And as for the whole sick thing..all you need to do is watch where your walking!! :spin:
Originally posted by Ella
But theres no such thing as passive drinking is there?
And as for the whole sick thing..all you need to do is watch where your walking!! :spin:
And non smokers are nailed to the ground when someone sparks up?!
Also , I updated my post with additional points while you posted this , you may want to go back and have a look for my argument on passive drinking.
And that was just one point I was making.
No doubt some angry zealots will be happy to point out that this debate is about smoking and not drinking , but I feel compelled to point out the simmilarities and differences and to use drinking as an exaple of showing the innocent nature of smoking.
Nothing like comparing smoking to drinking as a template for establishing the ignorance of some people.
But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?
Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.
secrets
13-07-2007, 09:49 AM
tell you what.!
i would rather walk past a smoker than a heavy drinker.
Originally posted by Ella
Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.
I consider smoking in pubs being outlawed to be fair enough , alas its a confined space. My argument is exclusivly reserved for those folk who rather that passangers of the good ship nicotine be struck by an ice berg of pseudo-righteous morals.
But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?
Likewise why should smokers have to not smoke?! Its an extremely double edged sword argument if your going to look at it in that two dimensional respect.
Besides , theirs enough space on the streets. Im sure smokers and non smokers dont conflict a lot. I know they dont here.
We can all find a happy medium surely.
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by Ella
Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.
I consider smoking in pubs being outlawed to be fair enough , alas its a confined space. My argument is exclusivly reserved for those folk who rather that passangers of the good ship nicotine be struck by an ice berg of pseudo-righteous morals.
But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?
Likewise why should smokers have to not smoke?! Its an extremely double edged sword argument if your going to look at it in that two dimensional respect.
Besides , theirs enough space on the streets. Im sure smokers and non smokers dont conflict a lot. I know they dont here.
We can all find a happy medium surely.
My bad! Sorry I misread your point.
Its just nice to go into some places without a smoke screen to greet you! People smoking on the street ect ect doesnt bother me. I chose to walk past them so thats my problem. But its good that its banned in pubs.
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by Ella
Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.
I consider smoking in pubs being outlawed to be fair enough , alas its a confined space. My argument is exclusivly reserved for those folk who rather that passangers of the good ship nicotine be struck by an ice berg of pseudo-righteous morals.
But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?
Likewise why should smokers have to not smoke?! Its an extremely double edged sword argument if your going to look at it in that two dimensional respect.
Besides , theirs enough space on the streets. Im sure smokers and non smokers dont conflict a lot. I know they dont here.
We can all find a happy medium surely.
My bad! Sorry I misread your point.
Its just nice to go into some places without a smoke screen to greet you! People smoking on the street ect ect doesnt bother me. I chose to walk past them so thats my problem. But its good that its banned in pubs.
Now we are getting to that happy medium im talking about :thumbs:.
On a related note , im sure both public moral and bar profits could get a healthy shot in the arm if people took the time to build cornered off smoking areas in bars.
I doubt that would happen. I mean smoke can still escape!!!! Its evil you know! They should do one pub for non smokers and a pub for smokers on every street that theres pubs! Then that would keep everyone happy!
Sorry, don't agree. Basically what those who are for the smoking ban are saying is that they should have a choice not to breathe smoky air. Well, that's fine and dandy, except that it means taking the choice away from those who want to smoke.
This is why I believe that smoking in pubs should be at the discretion of the landlord. Some would choose to ban smoking, others would choose not to. That way, we ALL have a choice.
As I have said before, people who are in favour of the ban support it because it suits them. Just wait until something is banned which doesn't suit them.
It's true, there's no such thing as passive drinking. However, I've seen countless fights caused by people who cannot handle their drink. Why don't they just ban alcohol? I bet people would not be in support of that!
And what about eating fatty foods? Okay, if someone eats a load of fatty food, it doesn't affect you. But the amount that obesity related diseases is costing the NHS will affect all of us. Should we ban chocolate? Should we ban fast food places?
People need to stop thinking about what suits them personally, and think about the bigger picture.
Edit: I'm not having a go at anyone here, and it is an interesting subject. Just one I feel strongly about!
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Originally posted by Ella
I doubt that would happen. I mean smoke can still escape!!!! Its evil you know! They should do one pub for non smokers and a pub for smokers on every street that theres pubs! Then that would keep everyone happy!
Make a parallel universe , one with those afformentioned pseudo-self-righteous folk , and the other more prone to housefires :joker::joker::joker:.
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
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Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me :thumbs:
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me :thumbs:
It really shouldent affect your baby unless your asking for it. Theirs hardly a brigade of smokers encircling you when you walk down the street.
ThaGazBoi
13-07-2007, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me :thumbs:
I agree. To some certain extent, smoking should not be allowed where thier is young children. As a smoker myself, I know the dangers of smoking. I would never smoke in front of my little cousin, as I don't want him growing up to be a smoker like me.
ThaGazBoi
13-07-2007, 10:21 AM
And more importantly Ella- You have a baby? :o
Originally posted by ThaGazBoi
And more importantly Ella- You have a baby? :o
Lol haha no not for another 6 months yet! Im 3 months pregnant. :tongue:
ThaGazBoi
13-07-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by ThaGazBoi
And more importantly Ella- You have a baby? :o
Lol haha no not for another 6 months yet! Im 3 months pregnant. :tongue:
Oh wow, Congratulations =]
secrets
13-07-2007, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
hhmm ,guess not all of us are so perfect.:angel:
i like to be among the folks living in the 'real' world,who have vices and human frailities.:thumbs::bouncy:
the perfecto,s are sooooooooo boring.:bored::cloud:
i love to party whatever the poison.:dance::hello::thumbs2:::cheer:
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me :thumbs:
You're missing the point. What happens when something you enjoy gets banned?
While I am totally in favour of having as healthy a pregnancy as possible, and obviously doing the utmost to keep your baby healthy, that's not really a valid argument. You could say that because you have chosen to have a baby, why should other people not be allowed to smoke?
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me :thumbs:
You're missing the point. What happens when something you enjoy gets banned?
While I am totally in favour of having as healthy a pregnancy as possible, and obviously doing the utmost to keep your baby healthy, that's not really a valid argument. You could say that because you have chosen to have a baby, why should other people not be allowed to smoke?
Have I once said at any point that people shouldn't be allowed to smoke because I'm pregnant?
All I said was that it's nice to go into a bar and not have to worry about smoke.
Originally posted by secrets
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
hhmm ,guess not all of us are so perfect.:angel:
i like to be among the folks living in the 'real' world,who have vices and human frailities.:thumbs::bouncy:
the perfecto,s are sooooooooo boring.:bored::cloud:
i love to party whatever the poison.:dance::hello::thumbs2:::cheer:
Amen brother. We want to live longer to do the things that stop us from living longer. Drop on :joker::joker::joker:.
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!
Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.
Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me :thumbs:
You're missing the point. What happens when something you enjoy gets banned?
While I am totally in favour of having as healthy a pregnancy as possible, and obviously doing the utmost to keep your baby healthy, that's not really a valid argument. You could say that because you have chosen to have a baby, why should other people not be allowed to smoke?
Have I once said at any point that people shouldn't be allowed to smoke because I'm pregnant?
All I said was that it's nice to go into a bar and not have to worry about smoke.
Well no, but you did say that it's about time smoking in public places was banned. I'm not having a go at you at all, and certainly not meaning to speak about your pregnancy in a negative fashion. I was just making a point. You support the ban, I don't.
Lauren
13-07-2007, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by secrets
lets ban chocolate,alcohol,doughnuts,eggs,cheese.....its all bad so we are told.!
welcome to police state Britain. gggrrrr
And since when have either chocolate, alcohol, doughnuts, eggs, cheese or alcohol had life-threatening effects on passers-by?
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by secrets
lets ban chocolate,alcohol,doughnuts,eggs,cheese.....its all bad so we are told.!
welcome to police state Britain. gggrrrr
And since when have either chocolate, alcohol, doughnuts, eggs, cheese or alcohol had life-threatening effects on passers-by?
Its been blown way out of proportion this has. Your not going to contract lung cancer from some random guy passing you smoking a cigarette. The area is big. Theirs plenty of room for non smokers and smokers alike to co-exist.
Theirs just some bored people who want stuff other people enjoy banned for the sake of it.
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by sarahtheangel
the smoking ban will of course create more non smokers which is a good thing , i smoke have tryed so many times cant give it up . if so many people give up great. but taxes will get higher as a smoker we pay tax on our fags so the goverment will get that tax from everyone else including you non smokers
Many people will stop Sarah and that is what the Government will realise and there are so many angles to this debate, which has taken an almighty push in Government to implement this law.
It is hard to give up, I remember my last girlfriend being totally addicted and even though she was considerate about it and would stand outside and smoke and try her best, she will never kick the habit.
It is a tempory cure for stress.
Taxes is important to the Government, but they are a clever corrupt bunch who will get money in other ways, don't you worry:wink:
Gordon Brown will have it covered & he should know..
nodisharmony :angel:
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by sarahtheangel
the smoking ban will of course create more non smokers which is a good thing , i smoke have tryed so many times cant give it up . if so many people give up great. but taxes will get higher as a smoker we pay tax on our fags so the goverment will get that tax from everyone else including you non smokers
It is a tempory cure for stress.
Not just that. Your taking an uncharecteristically one sided view on things here.
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by secrets
lets ban chocolate,alcohol,doughnuts,eggs,cheese.....its all bad so we are told.!
welcome to police state Britain. gggrrrr
And since when have either chocolate, alcohol, doughnuts, eggs, cheese or alcohol had life-threatening effects on passers-by?
I could name plenty of instances where people drinking too much has affected other people. As for fatty foods, well our taxes go the NHS don't they? And the NHS spends far more treating obesity related disease than it does treating smoking related disease. If the current rates of child obesity don't go down, in 20 or 30 years, the NHS will really struggle to cope.
Obviously I don't think fatty foods should be banned. I don't think smoking should be banned in public either.
The government taxes smokers plenty, and now they're saying where you can and can't smoke? Happy to take your money but not to let you smoke your taxed cigarettes where you want?
As I said before, I do believe in choice for EVERYONE, not just the ones who it suits me to agree with. If every landlord had the choice over whether or not to ban smoking, there would not be this issue. You could go to the non-smoking bars, and smokers could go to the smoking bars. I don't smoke, and I don't mind smoke either, so I could go to all the bars!!!
And what does everyone think about smoking being banned in private members clubs? What about if 90% of the members - who pay to be members there - smoke? Yet, currently, they are not allowed to by law. Where's the democracy in that?
This argument is all buzzwords and bandwagons.
Of course tobacco is not the only kind of smoking substance. Theirs one thing thats going the completely opposite way!
Lets not forget we are also [very slowly] working towards legalising cannabis!!!
Lauren
13-07-2007, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Stu
Its been blown way out of proportion this has. Your not going to contract lung cancer from some random guy passing you smoking a cigarette. The area is big. Theirs plenty of room for non smokers and smokers alike to co-exist.
Theirs just some bored people who want stuff other people enjoy banned for the sake of it.
I'm not going to get lung cancer from one random guy passing me smoking. I could, however, develop tar in my lungs from several random passing smoker guys - and since there's so many out there lacking self-control - it's often several that walk past me.
Also, had I worked in a building with several smokers I'd be around a smoking environment for a whole lot longer, thus leaving a window open for cancer etc.
Edit: And it's not also just the health implications... the smell is terrible.
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Stu
Its been blown way out of proportion this has. Your not going to contract lung cancer from some random guy passing you smoking a cigarette. The area is big. Theirs plenty of room for non smokers and smokers alike to co-exist.
Theirs just some bored people who want stuff other people enjoy banned for the sake of it.
I'm not going to get lung cancer from one random guy passing me smoking. I could, however, develop tar in my lungs from several random passing smoker guys - and since there's so many out there lacking self-control - it's often several that walk past me.
Also, had I worked in a building with several smokers I'd be around a smoking environment for a whole lot longer, thus leaving a window open for cancer etc.
Edit: And it's not also just the health implications... the smell is terrible.
Well as someone [possibly you] previously said , its up to them wherther they smell like pig **** :joker::joker::joker:.
Lauren
13-07-2007, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Ruth
This argument is all buzzwords and bandwagons.
Don't disregard my argument as buzzwords and bandwagons. It's not a bandwagon that my grandma died from smoking, it's not a buzzword that my aunty contracted lung cancer because my uncle smoked. It's a very real and dangerous thing, it's not down to someone finding a petty argument.
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Ruth
I'm not saying smoke to save the NHS!!! I don't smoke myself anyway. BUt I'm pointing out the government's hypocrisy in this matter. People are all thinking the ban is great because they are only thinking about what they want personally.
If you don't smoke and really hate the smell of it and everything about it, then it is true, that we will enjoy this law.
Not smoking is a positive anyway, and there are many reasons
There is a much bigger issue here, and not many people seem to be addressing it. You're all happy for the government to take away your civil liberties when it's something that you don't want to do anyway. Let's see what happens when they try to ban something that you do want to do. It's not a question of whether you like smoking or not. If it was that simple, I would support the ban, seeing as I don't smoke.
The Government have got it right on this issue, in my opinion, as I am an anti-smoker and have been sick & tired of smokers atitudes towards non-smokers in general.
Once upon a time, we were'nt forced to wear seatbelts, also, we weren't forced not to use mobile phones while driving, we can go on & on & on about these types of things.
The Government makes the rules and we obey them or break the law.
I have already seen many smoke in public places and don't give a toss. But that will happen with everything.
Nobody wants to have any civil liberties taken away Ruth, but on this occasion, they did it and like I said, non-smokers are sick of the stink of that horrible smoke:yuk:
I think smoking in pubs should be at the discretion of the landlord. If, for example, and landlord runs a famly pub with lots of children, he may well decide that he will ban smoking in there. However, some of the pubs I've worked in have been little local pubs where the vast majority of customers are smokers. I believe the landlord should have the choice of keeping smoking in that pub. If non-smokers choose not to go in there, well, that's fine.
That won't work one bit...
Drinking and smoking go together hand in hand and there is no avoiding that.
It has to be a blanket ban or nothing.
Children are suffering enough at home already and myself as an adult, choose to walk into a pub or disco and be able to breathe and not have my clothes stinking of horrible smoke.
I don't wish to smell like an ashtray thanks... Not anymore:thumbs:
Further - I cannot believe that they have banned smoking in private members clubs. That's disgraceful.
I have only been to a working mens club once in my life and that was about 6 years ago. I came in as a guest and I will tell you, that I was absolutley choking on the smoke fumes.
I kept popping into the Gents for air.
Anyway, I left as quick as I could.
It's all well and good when you enjoy it or can put up with it, but I don't and many don't, so blanket-ban it is:bigsmile:
Edit: Hi Nodis - thanks for your kind comments:spin2:
No problem Ruth:thumbs:
Glad your back and make sure you stay:spin2:
nodisharmony :angel:
Lauren
13-07-2007, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Stu
Well as someone [possibly you] previously said , its up to them wherther they smell like pig **** :joker::joker::joker:.
LOL exactly, which is why they shouldn't stink me out with their rank smoke.
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by secrets
just wait until they ban something that other folks want to do,then it will be a different story.!
lets ban chocolate,alcohol,doughnuts,eggs,cheese.....its all bad so we are told.!
welcome to police state Britain. gggrrrr
Smoking is very serious and eggs, cheese, chocolate are minor in comparison, "Says me eating a Kitkat right now:laugh:"
Alcohol is serious and the Government are tackling bingedrinking, believe-you-me.
nodisharmony :angel:
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by secrets
just wait until they ban something that other folks want to do,then it will be a different story.!
lets ban chocolate,alcohol,doughnuts,eggs,cheese.....its all bad so we are told.!
welcome to police state Britain. gggrrrr
the Government are tackling bingedrinking
Damnit.
Lauren
13-07-2007, 12:19 PM
LOL Stu, the governments against you.
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Sunny_01
I am an ex-smoker (nearly a year) and in fact I am opposed to the smoking ban. As I am a home based worker should I still smoke I would not be allowed to smoke in my own home!! my husband has his own business and is not allowed to smoke in his company vehicles!
It is a sad situation when someone has to go outside and light up, but that is just the way things have fallen and this was a tough decision to make and perhaps many people don't realise this Sunny?
Any public place is banned from smoking and many will enjoy that.
It was banned from many office workplaces already, and I remember how terrible it was when I worked in an office with loads of smokers, all girl's actually, well, all except me:laugh:
I never as a smoker would have told anyone to get lost if they told me the smell was making them feel sick, I do have a little more character about me. Also I hate the way the non-smokers see it as a punishment for smokers and enjoy their discomfort.
The best smoker, is a considerate smoker, but that is rarer than people think and that is the problem which has escalated to what we have today.
I agree with those who are enjoying cleaner clubbing etc.. but I dont agree with many aspects of the current law.
It will have it's teething problems, as with any new law, but it should improve in time.
nodisharmony :angel:
Originally posted by Lauren
LOL Stu, the governments against you.
The establishment tryna' bringa' brotha' down!!!
Next they will ban the apostrophe!!!!
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Stu
Your coming off as the classic ignorant , gleefull non smoker who wishes those who choose to smoke to be more like them.
I would say that most smokers are ignorant of non-smokers feelings on the matter.
Why don't smokers keep the Cigarette in their mouth from start to finish? No, they want to hold it between two fingers and let the smoke travel around so us non-smokers have to suffer.
Im not living in England and Im not sure on the specifics of the smoking ban over their but if people want to enjoy a quiet cigarette [like me] then let them. Health risks yes , but its their life. As strange as it sounds , the gradual forbidding of cigarettes may in fact romanticize them to a degree.
The specifics are simple. A total ban of smoking in ALL public places, except prisons and a couple of others, I think?
There are health-risks and all smokers can enjoy smoking outside, while non-smokers can breathe fresh air.
Is that too much to ask?
Its like what John Stuart Mill said , lets do unto ourselves what we want as long as it does not harm anyone else.
One man can say anything he likes. Gordon Brown and his Government have a job to do and blanket ban on smoking will be obeyed or else... £50 - £2,500:bigsmile:
And for those complaining about passive smoking , really , their is many , many places you can move to where your not in the company of smoke. And please stop making posts describing your epic battles with the evils of ash smelling clothes on a Saturday night. Its not that bad guys.
You are joking Stu:puzzled: Smoke gets everywhere, nevermind a smoking section, it doesn't work anymore.
Smokers outside, end of....
If we look at it that way , we should ****ing ban drink because of people getting sick on the streets Im WALKING ON and random scumbags p****d getting stuck into me on while walking home on a Saturday night.
Isint that passivly affecting me?! What does more damage.? Joe #477 outside the bar having a cigarette , or John #777 falling over , getting into fights , and pissing on the dustbins?!
Alcohol does have it's problems and I won't disagree with that and if this debate was about drink, I would also point out the bad side.
But Cigarettes is totally bad and the ban is correct and just.
nodisharmony :angel:
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Stu
Your coming off as the classic ignorant , gleefull non smoker who wishes those who choose to smoke to be more like them.
I would say that most smokers are ignorant of non-smokers feelings on the matter.
Why don't smokers keep the Cigarette in their mouth from start to finish? No, they want to hold it between two fingers and let the smoke travel around so us non-smokers have to suffer.
Im not living in England and Im not sure on the specifics of the smoking ban over their but if people want to enjoy a quiet cigarette [like me] then let them. Health risks yes , but its their life. As strange as it sounds , the gradual forbidding of cigarettes may in fact romanticize them to a degree.
The specifics are simple. A total ban of smoking in ALL public places, except prisons and a couple of others, I think?
There are health-risks and all smokers can enjoy smoking outside, while non-smokers can breathe fresh air.
Is that too much to ask?
Its like what John Stuart Mill said , lets do unto ourselves what we want as long as it does not harm anyone else.
One man can say anything he likes. Gordon Brown and his Government have a job to do and blanket ban on smoking will be obeyed or else... £50 - £2,500:bigsmile:
And for those complaining about passive smoking , really , their is many , many places you can move to where your not in the company of smoke. And please stop making posts describing your epic battles with the evils of ash smelling clothes on a Saturday night. Its not that bad guys.
You are joking Stu:puzzled: Smoke gets everywhere, nevermind a smoking section, it doesn't work anymore.
Smokers outside, end of....
If we look at it that way , we should ****ing ban drink because of people getting sick on the streets Im WALKING ON and random scumbags p****d getting stuck into me on while walking home on a Saturday night.
Isint that passivly affecting me?! What does more damage.? Joe #477 outside the bar having a cigarette , or John #777 falling over , getting into fights , and pissing on the dustbins?!
Alcohol does have it's problems and I won't disagree with that and if this debate was about drink, I would also point out the bad side.
But Cigarettes is totally bad and the ban is correct and just.
nodisharmony :angel:
Thats what im getting at. Your just outright saying 'cigarettes are bad' but people like to smoke!.
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Ella
But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?
Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.
I agree Ella:thumbs:
It will be lovely to walk into a pub or club or restaurant, anywhere which is public and be able to breathe.
When you like Bingo and want to sit down and enjoy a nice game, you can enjoy a lovely smoke-free environment.
The positives are endless.
nodisharmony :angel:
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Stu
Thats what Im getting at. Your just outright saying 'cigarettes are bad' but people like to smoke!.
Well stand outside in the rain then:laugh:
non-smokers have suffered enough, the tables have now turned, so don't bloo*y complain:rolleyes:
nodisharmony :angel:
Tanser_Man
13-07-2007, 12:40 PM
I don't understand the big fuss! You can still smoke!
You say it’s taking your civil liberties away, what about the civil liberties of non smokers who have had to endure passive smoking at almost every corner? At least with things like drink and fatty foods, you’re not affecting the people around you and endangering there lives through your own selfish addictions.
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Ella
But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?
Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.
I agree Ella:thumbs:
It will be lovely to walk into a pub or club or restaurant, anywhere which is public and be able to breathe.
When you like Bingo and want to sit down and enjoy a nice game, you can enjoy a lovely smoke-free environment.
The positives are endless.
nodisharmony :angel:
Lol well I can't say Ive ever had the pleasyre of playing bingo..But I know what you mean about it being smoke free. I can actually feel the difference, I don't walk into a bar and start coughing, And I can walk out of a bar knowing that I don't smell like other peoples stale smoke. Its a good feeling.
And it is amusing watching people that do smoke having to smoke in the rain. Makes me giggle.
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Stu
Thats what Im getting at. Your just outright saying 'cigarettes are bad' but people like to smoke!.
Well stand outside in the rain then:laugh:
non-smokers have suffered enough, the tables have now turned, so don't bloo*y complain:rolleyes:
nodisharmony :angel:
I realise you can smoke outside and its a fair compromise. Im not arguing where and where not you can smoke , im arguing against those ignorant folk completely against smoking without taking into consideration others.
Its not always raining you know :rolleyes:.
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Ella
Lol well I can't say Ive ever had the pleasyre of playing bingo..But I know what you mean about it being smoke free. I can actually feel the difference, I don't walk into a bar and start coughing, And I can walk out of a bar knowing that I don't smell like other peoples stale smoke. Its a good feeling.
And it is amusing watching people that do smoke having to smoke in the rain. Makes me giggle.
It's funny about Bingo players Ella:laugh:
Many are women aged from 50 years old & upwards and so many smoke, it is unbelievable. I have been a few times.
It's really horrible and smoky, well not anymore:bigsmile:
When you walk into a pub and it is smoke-free, it is wonderful and takes a bit to imagine what it is like.
It is like heaven:angel:
It is funny when you see the smokers in the rain, but we need colder weather to really, really laugh & giggle :dance2:
nodisharmony :angel:
nodisharmony
13-07-2007, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Stu
I realise you can smoke outside and its a fair compromise. Im not arguing where and where not you can smoke , Im arguing against those ignorant folk completely against smoking without taking into consideration others.
Its not always raining you know :rolleyes:.
It is the atitude from many smokers who just don't care about the feelings of non-smokers.
If the majority of smokers were much more considerate over the past years, we wouldn't have the ban we have today.
If someone plays music loud, they complain and environmental health sorts it out & the police too.
But Loud music is not as bad as Cigarette smoke, is it?
Nothing wrong with playing "Wannabe" by the Spice Girls for a couple of hours non-stop, is there:laugh:
I know it's not always raining, but this debate has two sides and the side who has felt trodden on over the past, is now very happy in the present.
nodisharmony :angel:
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Ruth
This argument is all buzzwords and bandwagons.
Don't disregard my argument as buzzwords and bandwagons. It's not a bandwagon that my grandma died from smoking, it's not a buzzword that my aunty contracted lung cancer because my uncle smoked. It's a very real and dangerous thing, it's not down to someone finding a petty argument.
Well, I wasn't referring specifically to you - although I realise it may have looked that way, because I quoted you. I am honestly sorry for what happened to your grandmother and your aunt.
However, that's what I meant when I said that people are looking at this from a personal point of view, rather than seeing the whole picture. It's understandably hard for you to be objective, given what's happened to your relatives, but objectivity is what's needed.
But that was just one sentence in my post that you've quoted. What about the rest of it? What about the private members clubs banning smoking? Do you not think that should be up to the discretion of the club itself? Do you not think that allowing or banning smoking in pubs should be up to the discretion of the landlord - that way, as I said before, EVERYONE would have a choice over whether or not they were in a smoking environment.
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Nothing wrong with playing "Wannabe" by the Spice Girls for a couple of hours non-stop, is there:laugh:
nodisharmony :angel:
Oooh I don't know about that - that would be torture for some people!:laugh::wink:
Will©
13-07-2007, 03:20 PM
You Cant Take Other drug so why should you be able to take tabaco
Ban it all together
Anyone agree
spitfire
13-07-2007, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Will©
You Cant Take Other drug so why should you be able to take tabaco
Ban it all together
Anyone agree
Not really.Each to there own as long as its not in my face.
Lauren
13-07-2007, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Will©
You Cant Take Other drug so why should you be able to take tabaco
Ban it all together
Anyone agree
To be fair, alcohol could be considered a drug. Same with caffeine.
I don't think banning tobacco alltogether would get us anywhere, I don't mind people smoking at all - as long as I don't have to suffer.
sarahtheangel
13-07-2007, 03:39 PM
where was the goverment when smoking was advertised as something good hey and at football grounds hey i can understand people not wanting to have to inhale smoke thats fine , its the goverment that make me mad and ex smokers who go on and on about how disgusting it is lol sorry im moaning
Originally posted by Will©
You Cant Take Other drug so why should you be able to take tabaco
Ban it all together
Anyone agree
Yeah, let's ban coffee, coca-cola, alcohol.....:whistle:
After the smoking ban came into effect, sales of cans of beer from off licences etc., shot up, as a result of more people deciding to have a drink at home. So does that mean that more children will be exposed to smoke in the home, now that their parents can't have a cigarette in a pub?
spitfire
13-07-2007, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Ruth
After the smoking ban came into effect, sales of cans of beer from off licences etc., shot up, as a result of more people deciding to have a drink at home. So does that mean that more children will be exposed to smoke in the home, now that their parents can't have a cigarette in a pub?
If the parents exspose their children to smoke,maybe they need some parenting lessons.Surley parents who smoke,do it outside?:shrug:
Well, you'd hope so wouldn't you? But we live in the real world. If its raining like it has been today, do you think many people would go outside?
spitfire
13-07-2007, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Ruth
Well, you'd hope so wouldn't you? But we live in the real world. If its raining like it has been today, do you think many people would go outside? For the sake of their kids?Yes.
I don't. As I said, I live in the real world. Unfortunately, a lot of people will smoke in front of their children. Personally I don't smoke, and even if I did, I would never smoke in front of children.
Lauren
13-07-2007, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by Ruth
After the smoking ban came into effect, sales of cans of beer from off licences etc., shot up, as a result of more people deciding to have a drink at home. So does that mean that more children will be exposed to smoke in the home, now that their parents can't have a cigarette in a pub?
If the parents exspose their children to smoke,maybe they need some parenting lessons.Surley parents who smoke,do it outside?:shrug:
Well some parents can't go outside whenever they need a cigarette.
spitfire
13-07-2007, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by Ruth
After the smoking ban came into effect, sales of cans of beer from off licences etc., shot up, as a result of more people deciding to have a drink at home. So does that mean that more children will be exposed to smoke in the home, now that their parents can't have a cigarette in a pub?
If the parents exspose their children to smoke,maybe they need some parenting lessons.Surley parents who smoke,do it outside?:shrug:
Well some parents can't go outside whenever they need a cigarette. Id recommend Nicorettes then.
Lauren
13-07-2007, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by Ruth
After the smoking ban came into effect, sales of cans of beer from off licences etc., shot up, as a result of more people deciding to have a drink at home. So does that mean that more children will be exposed to smoke in the home, now that their parents can't have a cigarette in a pub?
If the parents exspose their children to smoke,maybe they need some parenting lessons.Surley parents who smoke,do it outside?:shrug:
Well some parents can't go outside whenever they need a cigarette. Id recommend Nicorettes then.
Even if they don't want to give up?
(Just playing devils advocate here, by the way).
spitfire
13-07-2007, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by Ruth
After the smoking ban came into effect, sales of cans of beer from off licences etc., shot up, as a result of more people deciding to have a drink at home. So does that mean that more children will be exposed to smoke in the home, now that their parents can't have a cigarette in a pub?
If the parents exspose their children to smoke,maybe they need some parenting lessons.Surley parents who smoke,do it outside?:shrug:
Well some parents can't go outside whenever they need a cigarette. Id recommend Nicorettes then.
Even if they don't want to give up?
(Just playing devils advocate here, by the way). They dont have to give up,just use the nicorettes whilst they cant smoke(cant go outside).A bit like when smokers go on a plane.
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