USA : Man 85 ,is charged with first-degree assault:shooting of Black 16-year-old

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/18/00/69936103-0-image-a-20_1681775578091.jpg

[Kansas City man, 85, is charged with
first-degree assault and armed criminal action
in shooting of 16-year-old who
mistakenly knocked on his door:
Prosecutor claims there WAS 'racial component'
in the case

Ralph Yarl, 16, was shot in the head on Thursday
night when he knocked on
Andrew Lester's door - mistakenly thinking
his siblings were there
Prosecutors in Clay County, Missouri,
announced two felony counts would be
filed against Lester following the
shooting on April 13
Lester, 85, faces up to life in prison
for the first-degree assault]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983321/Homeowner-85-charged-shooting-16-year-old-Ralph-Yarl.html



Sign Of The Times.

[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully this guy has charges pressed against him.

And hopefully the kid can make a recovery.

[Niamh.]

I hope the boy makes it through with no lasting damage

[Cherie]

Awful case, shooting someone for just knocking on your door

[arista]

Awful case, shooting someone for just knocking on your door


Wrong home
and he was Black.

[bots]

Wrong home
and he was Black.

so, don't answer the door.

[arista]

so, don't answer the door.


He is 85
so will open the door every time

But he had a Gun ready at all times

[Liam-]

Wrong home
and he was Black.

A death sentence in America

[arista]

A death sentence in America


Yes Liam
at this time

Sadly True

[GoldHeart]

Awful case, shooting someone for just knocking on your door

That's America, they're so trigger happy it's disturbing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient

[user104658]

Honestly we often think of the US and UK as being similar but the idea of people opening their front door with a gun in their hand in this country is so unthinkable ... yet it's a cultural norm in the states (or many of them, anyway). I doubt anything will ever meaningfully change though.

[user104658]

I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient

Makes it all the more concerning that he was just kicking around at home with deadly weapons.

[bots]

I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient

it's a perfect storm. Guns readily available, a confused old man, and a youth making a mistake .... boom

[arista]

I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient


Or, he just does not trust blacks

[thesheriff443]

I hope the boy makes it through with no lasting damage

He was released from hospital after four days.

[thesheriff443]

10 at night someone knocking on your door would be scary for an old man
Without out the racist element he would not be getting prosecuted

[Niamh.]

He was released from hospital after four days.

that's good news

10 at night someone knocking on your door would be scary for an old man
Without out the racist element he would not be getting prosecuted

wth?? I bloody hope he'd be prosecuted if it was a white guy he shot for knocking on his door as well :o

[thesheriff443]

that's good news



wth?? I bloody hope he'd be prosecuted if it was a white guy he shot for knocking on his door as well :o

It’s American, their laws are very different from ours, one stand out one is the right to legally own fire arms

[Oliver_W]

10 at night someone knocking on your door would be scary for an old man
Without out the racist element he would not be getting prosecuted

Not so sure. There's no justification for just shooting.

If he was waiting by the door, gun at the ready, it'd be somewhat "understandable" but a knock at the door isn't provocation.

[Niamh.]

It’s American, their laws are very different from ours, one stand out one is the right to legally own fire arms

Even in America it's not ok to shoot someone for knocking on your door Sheriff, come on.

[user104658]

It’s American, their laws are very different from ours, one stand out one is the right to legally own fire arms

If the kid had ENTERED his house or was trying to force the door open then he would likely not be prosecuted, but even in the US you can't shoot someone just for walking up to a door and knocking on it.

[bots]

Mr Lester has not been charged with a hate crime, and charging documents do not describe the alleged racial bias.

At a press conference on Monday, Clay County Prosecutor Zachary Thompson said: "My message to the community is that, in Clay County, we enforce the laws and we follow the laws.

"That doesn't matter where you come from, what you look like or how much money you have."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65307047

[user104658]

Even at that it's crazy though - one time as (very drunk, very confused) students me and my (now) wife and several other friends somehow ended up trying to get into the wrong house after a night out, confused about why we couldn't open the door, hammering on it and shouting :umm2: ...

... in the US someone would probably have come out blastin'.

We were just very drunk and at the wrong door! If anything the taxi driver was to blame.

[Vanessa]

If you're scared you don't open the door. Simple.

[thesheriff443]

If the kid had ENTERED his house or was trying to force the door open then he would likely not be prosecuted, but even in the US you can't shoot someone just for walking up to a door and knocking on it.

You can shoot someone if they are on your porch in American

[arista]

If you're scared you don't open the door. Simple.


At the old age of 85,
always open the door.

But ready with a Gun

[user104658]

You can shoot someone if they are on your porch in American

This is just straight up false. Even in texas (which has the most liberal "stand your ground" laws) you can only defend when threatened, and then only with proportionate force (i.e. you can only shoot to kill someone if you have good reason to believe they're going to try to kill or severely harm you).

There's nowhere in the US where you can shoot someone on your porch just because they're there.

The reason you can (in some states) pretty much always do it if someone forces entry to your home, is because it's reasonable to assume that if someone has forced their way into your house then they are a clear risk to your personal safety.

[thesheriff443]

This is just straight up false. Even in texas (which has the most liberal "stand your ground" laws) you can only defend when threatened, and then only with proportionate force (i.e. you can only shoot to kill someone if you have good reason to believe they're going to try to kill or severely harm you).

There's nowhere in the US where you can shoot someone on your porch just because they're there.

No it’s not because I’ve seen an actual case
Guy shot and killed Simone who was on his porch and didn’t get prosecuted

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it’s not because I’ve seen an actual case
Guy shot and killed Simone who was on his porch and didn’t get prosecuted

but wasnt that the one where it was his daughters ex and he tried to break in the door so the dad rightly shot him?

[Livia]

You can shoot someone on your porch in Texas if you believe your life is at risk. Missouri has a "stand your ground" law which is similar. Not that I think for one minute this kid was anything but innocent.

[GoldHeart]

No it’s not because I’ve seen an actual case
Guy shot and killed Simone who was on his porch and didn’t get prosecuted

I think there's probably more cases like this , but they don't all get in the media. I wouldn't want to live in America tbh.

[arista]

I think there's probably more cases like this , but they don't all get in the media. I wouldn't want to live in America tbh.


America Is Fine
so long as you know the rules.

[Alf]

And this is how it goes down in gun free zones in Democrat run cities.



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[GoldHeart]

And this is how it goes down in gun free zones in Democrat run cities.



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The sad thing is I'm not even shocked, I knew this happened more frequently.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And this is how it goes down in gun free zones in Democrat run cities.



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sickening

[Barry.]

So sad.

[Mystic Mock]

Honestly we often think of the US and UK as being similar but the idea of people opening their front door with a gun in their hand in this country is so unthinkable ... yet it's a cultural norm in the states (or many of them, anyway). I doubt anything will ever meaningfully change though.

We're more culturally similar to Europe than the basketcase that's America imo.

Their obsession with guns will always be a mystery to me.

[arista]

The young kid
has now been allowed to go home,
that's good.

[UserSince2005]

You’ve got to be careful in america. It’s no joke. Parents need to educate their kids that they can’t just be going knocking on random peoples doors. What if the guy was a pedophile, this kid might have never seen the light of day again.

[Mystic Mock]

The young kid
has now been allowed to go home,
that's good.

It's fantastic news to hear.

[Oliver_W]

You’ve got to be careful in america. It’s no joke. Parents need to educate their kids that they can’t just be going knocking on random peoples doors. What if the guy was a pedophile, this kid might have never seen the light of day again.

He thought he was picking up his siblings, be didn't intend to go to a random door.

[Alf]

He thought he was picking up his siblings, be didn't intend to go to a random door.Do you know that to be true or is that just one side of the story?

The strangest thing about all this is that Biden invited the kid and his family to the White House. Looks to me like it's being used to push a political agenda.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/20/06/70031555-0-image-a-46_1681969995745.jpg

['I was always scared of him...
it doesn't surprise me what happened':
Ex-wife of homeowner Andrew Lester, 84,
accused of shooting Ralph Yarl, 16,
claims he would rage and smash up their
house during 14-year marriage

Ex-wife Mary Clayton, 81, has three children
with Andrew Lester, 84,
Lester appeared in court accused of
shooting 16-year-old Ralph Yarl]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11993439/Ex-wife-retired-white-Missouri-man-accused-shooting-16-year-old-black-boy-says-violent.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

The little kid has been invited to the white house

Number of families from the Nashville shooting invited? - zero

why?

@too white..dont fit the narrative

[Cherie]

The little kid has been invited to the white house

Number of families from the Nashville shooting invited? - zero

why?

@too white..dont fit the narrative

Tbf he is just a kid so its a treat ..

[Oliver_W]

His family gets a nice day out, Biden gets to sniff children look like he cares. In the grand scheme, who cares.

[Alf]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/20/06/70031555-0-image-a-46_1681969995745.jpg

['I was always scared of him...
it doesn't surprise me what happened':
Ex-wife of homeowner Andrew Lester, 84,
accused of shooting Ralph Yarl, 16,
claims he would rage and smash up their
house during 14-year marriage

Ex-wife Mary Clayton, 81, has three children
with Andrew Lester, 84,
Lester appeared in court accused of
shooting 16-year-old Ralph Yarl]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11993439/Ex-wife-retired-white-Missouri-man-accused-shooting-16-year-old-black-boy-says-violent.htmlThat's just pure propaganda and has nothing to do with this case. It's that pure propaganda that raises my suspicions that there's a certain agenda being pushed here.

Once you know the signs, it's easy to see. Ten years ago I wouldn't have noticed this stuff, I'd have fell for it too, but I've learnt so much of how it all works since then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

still at least Biden did not invite a man dressed as a woman for likes on tiktok for dollars to visit.. and ignore anyone else who did not tick a left wing gender war figure..that would be mental

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/24/17/63790051-11348505-image-m-15_1666628190266.jpg

[Mystic Mock]

That's just pure propaganda and has nothing to do with this case. It's that pure propaganda that raises my suspicions that there's a certain agenda being pushed here.

Once you know the signs, it's easy to see. Ten years ago I wouldn't have noticed this stuff, I'd have fell for it too, but I've learnt so much of how it all works since then.

What propaganda are they pushing by talking about a 16 year old being shot?

[Alf]

What propaganda are they pushing by talking about a 16 year old being shot?Can you not read the article I quoted? About his ex wife saying "he bad"

Maybe he is bad, but what does her opinion of her ex have to do with this? At this time that opinion of hers is irrelevant for us to know.

[Mystic Mock]

Can you not read the article I quoted? About his ex wife saying "he bad"

Maybe he is bad, but what does her opinion of her ex have to do with this? At this time that opinion of hers is irrelevant for us to know.

It does paint a picture of his character tbf.

But I agree that him being horrible to his Wife doesn't automatically make him an attempted murderer, or at least in the first degree.

What does make me suspicious of this guy's character is we haven't heard anything about the 16 year old trying to break into his home, or having a weapon on him that you could then argue might've scared the Perp.

[Alf]

It does paint a picture of his character tbf.

But I agree that him being horrible to his Wife doesn't automatically make him an attempted murderer, or at least in the first degree.

What does make me suspicious of this guy's character is we haven't heard anything about the 16 year old trying to break into his home, or having a weapon on him that you could then argue might've scared the Perp.No, it paints his ex wife's picture of his character. Why would you automatically believe her? What proof has she shown you of her accusations that's made you believe her?

That's why they print stuff like that, because people will just take is as gospel and not need any proof when they want something to happen.

[Mystic Mock]

No, it paints his ex wife's picture of his character. Why would you automatically believe her? What proof has she shown you of her accusations that's made you believe her?

That's why they print stuff like that, because people will just take is as gospel and not need any proof when they want something to happen.

Well him shooting a 16 year old makes me inclined to believe the Wife.

[Alf]

Well him shooting a 16 year old makes me inclined to believe the Wife.And that's why they put out that propaganda article, for you. They want to paint that picture in your head before this man even stands trial. They want you believing this man is guilty before you've even heard all the evidence.

So if I play by the same rules as you, then I'm gonna say that it's quite obvious that this 16 year old was trying to break into this 85 year old's house to burgle and beat him. Because I'm inclined to believe that there's no other reason why he'd be there. Who needs evidence?

[Vanessa]

There was no need to shoot.
If I'm scared I don't open the door. It's that simple.

[UserSince2005]

shoot or be shot.

[arista]

There was no need to shoot.
If I'm scared I don't open the door. It's that simple.


Yes
but sadly, he feared black folk.
So it was bound to happen

Lucky the Kid
survived and is at home, now

Another Shocking USA Case
is a Black man in a house
getting a Gun Outside,
as a little girl went to get her ball on his
back garden lawn.


He needed fences.

That nutter is on the run, now.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/20/north-carolina-shooting-girl-parents-basketball-yard