Ed Sheeran copyright trial nicking Music of Marvin Gaye 1973

[arista]

[Ed Sheeran copyright trial to begin over
Marvin Gaye hit Let's Get It On

Ed Sheeran has been the target for several
copyright lawsuits involving his work,
with the latest brought by the daughter of
Let's Get It On co-writer Ed Townsend.]



It is not the Words
it is the Music Ed has Stolen.


[Jury selection and opening statements
will take place at the Manhattan
federal courtroom in front of
95-year-old District Judge Louis Stanton.

The jury will be asked to decide whether
parts of Let's Get It On, released in 1973,
were copied in the singer's 2014 number
one and Grammy-winning hit Thinking Out Loud.]



Pay Up Ed


https://news.sky.com/story/ed-sheeran-copyright-trial-to-begin-over-marvin-gaye-hit-lets-get-it-on-12865026

CNN HD
showed him singing "Lets Get It On"


That Famous Guitar intro
to Marvins 1973 Hit
was Played by the Late & Great Wah Wah Watson

[bots]

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[Mystic Mock]

I have nothing personal against Ed Sheeran.

But it's clear as day imo that he rift the Music from Let's Get It On and put it into Thinking Out Loud.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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that blows your mind :joker:

[arista]

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Nice Relative of Ed Townsend on ABCnewsHD
speaks about Ed ripping off
Let's Get It On
Composed by Marvin Gaye & Ed Townsend.

[Zizu]

I read somewhere that Ed Sheeran has had more plagiarism cases against him than any other artist in history . He’s supposedly for a powerful Legal team working 24/7 365


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[bots]

he wil never be found guilty, it opens up the flood gates to too many other cases

[GiRTh]

Sheeran and Dua Lipa have been sued many times.

I think in many of the cases the similarity is not enough but in the 'Lets get it on' case, its blatant.

He also nicked a song from TLC. He's at it all the time

[GiRTh]

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[GiRTh]

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[Mystic Mock]

Sheeran and Dua Lipa have been sued many times.

I think in many of the cases the similarity is not enough but in the 'Lets get it on' case, its blatant.

He also nicked a song from TLC. He's at it all the time

I think the difference between the two as well is that Ed Sheeran wants to be seen as a credible singer-songwriter, where as Dua Lipa's doing the "Pop Princess" routine.

I'm not saying that she's bad at it tbf, but I think from a public perspective people are expecting less originality and overall talent from Dua Lipa versus Ed Sheeran who's credibility could be severely harmed if found guilty.

[Zizu]

I think the difference between the two as well is that Ed Sheeran wants to be seen as a credible singer-songwriter, where as Dua Lipa's doing the "Pop Princess" routine.

I'm not saying that she's bad at it tbf, but I think from a public perspective people are expecting less originality and overall talent from Dua Lipa versus Ed Sheeran who's credibility could be severely harmed if found guilty.


Hasn’t he already been found guilty / lost a few legal cases ?


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[Mystic Mock]

Hasn’t he already been found guilty / lost a few legal cases ?


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Has he? I honestly have no clue.:joker:

[GiRTh]

I think the difference between the two as well is that Ed Sheeran wants to be seen as a credible singer-songwriter, where as Dua Lipa's doing the "Pop Princess" routine.

I'm not saying that she's bad at it tbf, but I think from a public perspective people are expecting less originality and overall talent from Dua Lipa versus Ed Sheeran who's credibility could be severely harmed if found guilty.Dua Lipa is a better 'artist' than Sheeran. His songs are quite lazy IMO. Where as her music is more original.

[Zizu]

Dua Lipa is a better 'artist' than Sheeran. His songs are quite lazy IMO. Where as her music is more original.


She’s fabulous indeed .. I can’t think of one poor song she’s done .. I think she only co- writes the songs but she’s a fabulous singer / performer and very likeable person from her interviews.

I’d say she’s the top female artist currently


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[GiRTh]

She’s fabulous indeed .. I can’t think of one poor song she’s done .. I think she only co- writes the songs but she’s a fabulous singer / performer and very likeable person from her interviews.

I’d say she’s the top female artist currently


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[Mystic Mock]

Dua Lipa is a better 'artist' than Sheeran. His songs are quite lazy IMO. Where as her music is more original.

I think it's the public perception that's different though.

We've got someone that's claiming to be a Singer-songwriter, has some vocal talent tbf, and can play the Guitar, some people will in the general public will be upset to find out that he may have oversold himself a little bit, if he is found guilty of course.

Where as Dua Lipa to her credit I think keeps her Music a bit more grounded, and just does what she's genuinely good at.

In the long run I agree with you that it'll make her the better artist.

[bots]

like i said earlier, he won't be found guilty, there are too many other cases that would then be brought and it would collapse the music industry

[Zizu]

like i said earlier, he won't be found guilty, there are too many other cases that would then be brought and it would collapse the music industry


Thing is he can afford the very best legal representatives .. bit like OJ or the premier footballers who regularly get off lightly due to excellent representation .

I seem to recall Alex Ferguson being successful in a dodgy case years back


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[bots]

it's not about legal representation, its about copyright law and what its possible to copyright and what's not possible. This falls into the realm of not suitable for copyright. The particular jury may in some extreme circumstance find him guilty, but it would be overturned on appeal because the case is fundamentally stupid

[Zizu]

it's not about legal representation, its about copyright law and what its possible to copyright and what's not possible. This falls into the realm of not suitable for copyright. The particular jury may in some extreme circumstance find him guilty, but it would be overturned on appeal because the case is fundamentally stupid


Why does he have a team of top notch lawyers then … he may as well represent himself


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[bots]

because people that can afford top lawyers always employ them

[arista]

Ed was stupid
as he performed his track and then started singing
"Lets's Get It On" on a Live stage.

Ch5HD AM showed the Full Live Video
and both tracks

So I can now see how the Family
of Co Writer Ed Townsend
are demanding he pays up.

[Niamh.]

i watched a video on this yesterday and the guy who made it played Van Morrison's Crazy Love and compared it to thinking out loud and it sounds much more similar than the Marvin Gaye track

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[bots]

there is nothing new under the sun

[Niamh.]

there is nothing new under the sun

Yeah tbf there's only a certain amount of combinations in music, surely?

[arista]

But how stupid to start singing Marvin's track Live
Merging the 2 tracks.


Once you see that
you understand
why it is in the USA court

[bots]

Yeah tbf there's only a certain amount of combinations in music, surely?

it depends how you define it. Basic building blocks like chords that they are talking about in this case, yes, pop music generally consists of the same chords and its not possible to copyright

If you talk about a musical arrangement, where for example a violin plays a particular line and a flute plays another etc etc it is suitable for copyright

[Niamh.]

it depends how you define it. Basic building blocks like chords that they are talking about in this case, yes, pop music generally consists of the same chords and its not possible to copyright

If you talk about a musical arrangement, where for example a violin plays a particular line and a flute plays another etc etc it is suitable for copyright

It must be really hard as a song writer to not copy a song accidentally/unconsciously as well

[bots]

It must be really hard as a song writer to not copy a song accidentally/unconsciously as well

thats why it's possible to copyright an arrangement, because 2 people couldn't just come up with exactly the same arrangement

[user104658]

Have you heard about the three-way suing over Radiohead's "Creep"?

Radiohead sued Lana Del Rey for "Get Free" ... ... but Radiohead was actually previously sued by The Hollies for copying "The Air That I Breathe" :think:

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[Niamh.]

Did any of them win TS?

[user104658]

Did any of them win TS?

IIRC both, sort of, as both settled out of court for part of the royalties. I think both are undisclosed but it seems likely that Radiohead/Del Rey one was either over or exactly 40%, since it was known that they initially rejected an offer of 40% ... so if they did later settle, either they changed their minds on that figure or were offered more. I'd guess they got 50%.

Annoyingly of course, that means it's unknown how it would have gone if it had gone to court. Could literally have been awarded 100% of royalties, a split, or nothing at all :joker:.

[arista]

Ed Sheeran tells NYC court he'll QUIT music
if he's found guilty of ripping off
Marvin Gaye's 'Let's Get it On' - as he brands
$100M copyright trial 'insulting'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12034897/Ed-Sheeran-says-hell-QUIT-music-hes-guilty-ripping-Marvin-Gayes-Lets-On.html?ito=rss-connatix&traffic_source=Connatix

Its all his Fault
He sang his song,but then went into Lets Get It On
merging the 2 tracks Live at a Concert.

[DigitalSid]

Remember that time Lily Allen tried to claim this one was just also just a coincidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noLrCDzAp5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwC1Ctrj6Xk

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/01/17/70440605-12033905-image-m-15_1682957406328.jpg
[Kathryn Townsend Griffin, the daughter of
Gaye's co-writer Ed Townsend,
is pictured outside the court on Monday]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/01/22/70450921-12034897-image-a-2_1682976445879.jpg
[The 32-year-old British singer-songwriter
strummed the chords he is accused of lifting
from Marvin Gaye's 1973 hit 'Let's Get it On'
as he took the stand]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12034897/Ed-Sheeran-says-hell-QUIT-music-hes-guilty-ripping-Marvin-Gayes-Lets-On.html?ito=rss-connatix&traffic_source=Connatix

[Zizu]

Remember that time Lily Allen tried to claim this one was just also just a coincidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noLrCDzAp5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwC1Ctrj6Xk


Who’d Have Known is the Lily Allen song that was compared to Shine by Take That

Listen to this chorus .. 59 seconds in

https://youtu.be/FbDMUijBP2U


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[Alf]

Ed Sheeran won the case

[arista]

Ed Sherran Found Not Guilty

The lucky star got off.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12047699/Ed-Sheeran-CLEARED-allegations-hit-Thinking-Loud-copied-Marvin-Gayes-Lets-On.html

[bots]

Nothing lucky about it, it was never going to go any other way as I pointed out at the beginning of the thread :laugh:

[Zizu]

Ed Sherran Found Not Guilty

The lucky star got off.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12047699/Ed-Sheeran-CLEARED-allegations-hit-Thinking-Loud-copied-Marvin-Gayes-Lets-On.html


Onto the next legal case against him


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[Mystic Mock]

Ed Sherran Found Not Guilty

The lucky star got off.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12047699/Ed-Sheeran-CLEARED-allegations-hit-Thinking-Loud-copied-Marvin-Gayes-Lets-On.html

Lucky Star was a popular Anime tbf.

[user104658]

Nothing lucky about it, it was never going to go any other way as I pointed out at the beginning of the thread :laugh:

Hopefully sets precedent for future similar claims? I have a feeling that the other examples in the thread would probably have gone the same way IF anyone had been willing to let it go all the way to the courtroom. Seems like out-of-court settlements for a royalties %age have been the norm for this in the past.

[user104658]

I'm actually a huge fan of remixes, re-imaginings, covers and mash-ups in general so I genuinely want it not to be difficult for artists to draw on and use each other's work :joker:.