View Full Version : Its not about trans rights at all its all about power
Cherie
02-05-2023, 02:21 PM
The staff wont work the event because they can't bear to be in a room with someone who doesn't agree with everything they say....
https://news.sky.com/story/snp-mp-joanna-cherry-says-shes-been-cancelled-over-gender-views-after-edinburgh-fringe-event-scrapped-12871412
At least the penny has finally dropped for Shelagh Fogerty she was discussing this this afternoon and very firmly on the side that this is getting out of control
Crimson Dynamo
02-05-2023, 02:29 PM
Here's a little explainer of why the Stand comedy club banned Joanna Cherry.
Joanna Cherry is an SNP politician. The SNP are split into two factions. Progressive gender ideologists like Sturgeon and Yousaf who want anyone to be able to identify as whatever they want (even male rapists who want to go to women's prison) and children to transition younger.
And feminists like Cherry who want women's rights and spaces protected, and are called transphobes as a result. Cherry used to be on the front bench of the SNP and was a rival of Sturgeon's. Sturgeon used accusations of transphobia to depose Cherry to the back benches.
Cherry is a lawyer and represented a political dissident, Marion Millar, who was arrested for hate crimes including posting a picture of a suffragette ribbon (this was deemed "transphobic").
The Stand clubs are owned by an SNP politician Tommy Sheppard. Comedians like me who criticise the SNP's gender ideology are banned. It's a Putinesque way of stifling criticism of the SNP.
I've no doubt staff at the Stand did complain about Cherry. Blue haired angry youths complain about everything. The correct response is to tell them to **** off. Minimum wage teenage peons shouldn't be the arbiters of culture.
This goes deeper than that. This is about the factional war in the SNP, who are disintegrating in front of us. The Scottish parliament should be taken into special measures. And politicians should not own comedy clubs.
https://twitter.com/LeoKearse/status/1653126054347767811?s=20
Cherie
02-05-2023, 04:25 PM
What makes no sense though is that she was invited then uninvited unless it was to humiliate her
It's all about giving the children the right to choice, and it wont end until a child who wants to have sex with an adult is allowed to.
End off.
Crimson Dynamo
02-05-2023, 07:12 PM
It's all about giving the children the right to choice, and it wont end until a child who wants to have sex with an adult is allowed to.
End off.
have you seen what the UN have brought in to protect paedos?
have you seen what the UN have brought in to protect paedos?
Yes I have, have you seen what the world health organisation are up too?
Lets not forget old dahlia lamas actions either....
Crimson Dynamo
02-05-2023, 07:23 PM
Yes I have, have you seen what the world health organisation are up too?
no?
no?
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/documents/child-maltreatment/annexes-who-guidelines-for-the-health-sector-response-to-child-maltreatment.pdf?sfvrsn=1d72744a_2
Crimson Dynamo
03-05-2023, 11:17 AM
. On yesterday’s BBC Drive Time programme the trans mob mouthpiece, India
Willoughby, went gloriously over the top. Cherry’s cancellation was, she said, a
‘really good day for equality, diversity and love in Scotland’. She then suggested
that ‘if the KKK had booked a meeting at the venue…’ they should also have
had their meeting cancelled. :facepalm:Willoughby then effectively invited Cherry to sue
her for defamation by saying that ‘these people want trans people eliminated’.
However, the upside is that, in the court of public opinion, activists like
Willoughby condemn themselves out of their own mouths. As do those who
remain silent, like Cherry’s colleague, Angus Robertson, the MSP for Edinburgh
Central. The Stand’s SNP founder, Tommy Sheppard MP, has also refused to
speak up. It may be occurring to him that is is not feminists like Jo Cherry who
are on the wrong side of history, but his own club.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trans-activists-will-regret-picking-on-joanna-cherry/
Cherie
03-05-2023, 11:30 AM
As I understand it she was there to talk about her life as a lawyer and MSP not trans issues
Crimson Dynamo
03-05-2023, 11:46 AM
As I understand it she was there to talk about her life as a lawyer and MSP not trans issues
What is amazing is that the venue did not say "if you dont work then your contract willl be terminated, you have no say whatsover in who management decide plays here"
Cherie
03-05-2023, 12:43 PM
What is amazing is that the venue did not say "if you dont work then your contract willl be terminated, you have no say whatsover in who management decide plays here"
And that is where the power comes in, like stopping students who wanted to see a screening of Adult Human Female at Uni of Edinburgh twice! The suggestion being they can go elsewhere, why should they have to do this, these activists dont own the University they are just holding the the Uni to ransom
Crimson Dynamo
04-05-2023, 09:50 AM
Listen to this hag from the Greens (who the SNP shoehorned into power ) talk absolute bolloxio about this
https://twitter.com/Scott_Wortley/status/1654040301793574913?s=20
Cherie
04-05-2023, 10:36 AM
where could this end? If people can refuse to do their job because they dont agree with the views of the person stood in front of them?
should train drivers stop working if someone on the train says something they don't like, should doctors stop treating patients if they don't like their views on gender? It can only go in one direction
Crimson Dynamo
04-05-2023, 11:10 AM
where could this end? If people can refuse to do their job because they dont agree with the views of the person stood in front of them?
and of course if a "trans" person was booked to play at the theatre and the staff said "ew no thsnks we are not working" there would be outcry and she would be leading it
beggars belief
Cherie
04-05-2023, 12:32 PM
and of course if a "trans" person was booked to play at the theatre and the staff said "ew no thsnks we are not working" there would be outcry and she would be leading it
beggars belief
plus Joanna Cherry was not there to speak about trans issues but about her career.....same as Corbyn and the other one
I hope she takes them to court
Crimson Dynamo
12-05-2023, 03:52 PM
WELL WELL
https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1657048428231237632?s=20
Haha, i bet they never consulted a solicitor before cancelling it at all. They thought they could just get away with it
Cherie
12-05-2023, 03:59 PM
Great result, lol at some of the comments
If they did consult some lawyers previously they might want to consider not using them again?
Crimson Dynamo
12-05-2023, 04:00 PM
Filed under "grovelling apology/humiliation"
The comedy club which cancelled a Fringe show by SNP MP Joanna Cherry has reinstated the event.
The Stand had cancelled the show after staff said they were not comfortable with her views on transgender issues.
But the venue has now said the decision was "unfair and constituted unlawful discrimination against Ms Cherry".
Ms Cherry said it was a "very welcome move by The Stand" and confirmed she will take part in August's event as originally planned.
The Stand said it had taken legal advice and now accepted it had got its original decision wrong.
In a statement, the club said it "publicly and unreservedly apologise to Ms Cherry".
It added: "We have always been clear that we oppose all forms of discrimination and recognise the rights of individuals to air views with which we may disagree.
"We hope that this apology draws a line under this episode."
Ms Cherry welcomed the apology and confirmed she will take part in the event.
She told BBC Radio Scotland Drivetime: "I didn't want to have to take legal action here and this was never about money.
"But the fact that The Stand have fully and frankly accepted that cancelling the event on account of my philosophical views as a lesbian and a feminist was unlawful, I really hope that's going to benefit other women, and indeed men, by discouraging other people from discriminating against people like me who fully support equal rights for trans people but don't believe that any man should be able to self identify as a woman."
The Stand - which was co-founded by SNP MP Tommy Sheppard - has said it will donate its share of the profit from the event to the Edinburgh Food Project charity.
It added that management of the event will be discussed with its staff in the coming weeks.
Mr Sheppard, who sits on the venue's board and is believed to be one of a number of shareholders, said it would be wrong to characterise it as a dispute between him and Ms Cherry.
Ms Cherry was booked to take part in a series of In Conversation With... events with public figures in August.
The Edinburgh South West MP is a critic of Scotland's gender recognition reform plans, which make it easier for people to change their legally-recognised sex.
The MP previously said she felt she had been "cancelled and no-platformed" because she was a lesbian who holds gender-critical views, and had vowed to take "whatever legal action is necessary" unless The Stand admitted that it acted unlawfully, issued an apology and reinstated the event.
The Stand has released a copy of the letter its legal team sent to Ms Cherry.
The Scottish Events Campus in Glasgow was ordered to pay almost £100,000 in damages to a controversial evangelical US preacher after axing his event in 2020.
Franklin Graham's appearance at the Hydro was scrapped following pressure from Glasgow City Council, Scottish Greens co-leader Patrick Harvie and campaigners over his views on issues such as homosexuality, Islam and Donald Trump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65575748
Just to muddy the waters somewhat..
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJHasGPH/
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Oliver_W
13-05-2023, 05:57 AM
Just to muddy the waters somewhat..
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJHasGPH/
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What is it? I'm not on tiktok
arista
13-05-2023, 06:02 AM
What is it? I'm not on tiktok
You can still watch it
Oliver_W
13-05-2023, 06:28 AM
You can still watch it
it won't load for me :(
What is it? I'm not on tiktok
It's a lesbian women of colour called ryan, who still, sorry, used to be a white bloke called Ryan.
https://youtu.be/UnI9GVJqoNk
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Livia
14-05-2023, 11:52 AM
https://youtu.be/UnI9GVJqoNk
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They should have gone the whole hog and hired the Village People.
it's not often i'm speechless, but listening to that channel justify a usa army recruitment policy of drag queens is waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond parody
user104658
15-05-2023, 09:50 AM
It's just the separation and refusal of reality at times that gets me... it's so determined. I saw a video a few days ago of people being asked if they believe that Floyd Mayweather, if he became trans, should be able to compete professionally in women's boxing and the knots they tied themselves in to say that it would be ok :umm2:. One's argument was "It's offensive to say that no woman could be as strong as Floyd Mayweather".
It might be "offensive" but it's also just basic biological fact...
Gusto Brunt
15-05-2023, 10:58 AM
I used to follow four trans guys to girls on YouTube. Just out of curiosity because I thought their transition from men to women are pretty good. I found it fascinating.
Those drugs really do work. But three out of those trans people have decided they no longer want to be girls.:shocked::shocked:
They've ditched the drugs and went back to being guys. That shocked me. It looked like it was a passing phase they were going through. But these were fully grown guys whose development hadn't been changed forever by drugs. It could be reversed.
It's more dangerous for 12 year olds to transition.:nono:
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