When would you officially consider someone elderly?

[Redway]

Some people still say that they’d just be grateful to pop their clogs at 70 and that’s fine but I’d hardly call 65-74-year-olds elderly. Upper middle-aged sounds about right to anyone under 75 to me (sort of) but everyone’s different. When do you believe old age to truly begin?

[Niamh.]

Depends on the person i suppose, my mom is nearly 69 and she's fit as a fiddle and still working, can't believe she'll be 70 next year :o

[AnnieK]

Deffo depends on the person. My Dad is 76, still plays football (albeit walking football now), is a cricket umpire, goes to the races, plays footie with the grandkids and does a LOT for me when I'm working and my son is off school. He is probably fitter than a lot of 50 year olds but is almost an octogenarian. He has friends though who are younger than him who act and look a lot older.

[joeysteele]

There are so many people in their 60s and 70s and beyond.
Who seem to have more energy that those over 20 years younger.

Around 75 though is where I would myself think of someone as elderly.
Not that it's derogatory as many that age and above rarely look or act that age.

My own incredible Grandmother when she was alive never permitted herself to be thought as elderly until she was 75.
I've taken my view from her.

I agree wholly with Niamh, it depends on the person really.

[Redway]

It definitely depends on the person but as a generalised rule I’d hardly consider anyone younger than 75 elderly.

[Cherie]

Generally I think from 75 onwards is getting on towards elderly that said like others have said it depends on the person

[Livia]

Totally depends on the person, like Cherie said. I know people in their 40s who seem old while my grandmother was still ballroom dancing in her 90s.

[GoldHeart]

It definitely depends on the person but as a generalised rule I’d hardly consider anyone younger than 75 elderly.

Well pension age keeps rising ( unfairly of course ) but that's why I voted it ,plus it's close to 70. But yeah I guess overall 75+ is more elderly :shrug: .

[Alf]

45

So no more cheeking your elders.

[bots]

you would need to define what elderly meant before you could determine whether someone fits into that category or not.

The way the retirement age is defined is against life expectancy. Really, women should retire a couple of years later than men because on average they live a couple of years longer

So, retirement age is set to provide the average man 5 years before they drop. Any more, and it puts too much pressure on the pension system, which is why it is increasing by a year here and there.

So, if we are strictly looking at averages, 65/66 is most certainly where you could consider the average person elderly. The fact that some go on for a couple of decades after that point basically means they were lucky outliers

[Redway]

Well pension age keeps rising ( unfairly of course ) but that's why I voted it ,plus it's close to 70. But yeah I guess overall 75+ is more elderly :shrug: .

Like others have said it totally depends on the person but I see what you mean. The fact that 70’s long-been considered (in casual speech anyway) a good age to die doesn’t help with this erroneous idea that 70’s invariably a jolly old age. Some people might want to settle into the role of an elderly person as soon as they clock 65 or 70 (or might’ve just had to grow into it beyond personal choice due to health problems) but I wouldn’t call it inherently old. Just older.

[Redway]

you would need to define what elderly meant before you could determine whether someone fits into that category or not.

The way the retirement age is defined is against life expectancy. Really, women should retire a couple of years later than men because on average they live a couple of years longer

So, retirement age is set to provide the average man 5 years before they drop. Any more, and it puts too much pressure on the pension system, which is why it is increasing by a year here and there.

So, if we are strictly looking at averages, 65/66 is most certainly where you could consider the average person elderly. The fact that some go on for a couple of decades after that point basically means they were lucky outliers
I think that only holds definitively true if you consider being of a pensionable age the measure for “elderly.” I wouldn’t and neither would/do a lot of people. I guess everyone’s idea of what counts as elderly is somewhat subjective but I definitely wasn’t basing it on when someone’s eligible to collect their pension. Some people who were mothers (for-example) of teenagers doing their GCSEs less than 15 years ago took early retirement from the N.H.S. and working elsewhere/living it up in Spain or their home-countries at barely 60. I’d hardly consider them coffin-dodgers, not just because they’re eligible to a pension.
I’m just using that N.H.S. thing as an example because nurses have been known to take early retirement sometimes (which is understandable considering how gruelling and exhausting a job it actually is). Unlike pharmacists who get paid quite a bit for being glorified shop-keepers who happen to dispense medicines or cozy GPs who often know little more than what a quick google-search can show a lay person (not that these people aren’t helpful and necessary but comparatively they have it easy) and stethoscope wee-babies, nurses are often on their feet for 12 to 16 hours at night and that can take its toll over the years. People often get out of it when they can once they’ve had enough, not because they’re actually getting to an age where they need zimmer-frames to get around. Take a look at Dr Useless Badass (Gadass) on Corrie and see how she won’t be happy doing her nonsense until she’s bloody 99 compared to an over-worked under-paid nurse who gets out while she can. It’s worse in America, where all doctors (from locum GPs to cardio-thoracic neurosurgeons) are on serious buck and substantially more than nurses do. I have tremendous respect for diligent GPs who genuinely care about their patients (and normally when a GP genuinely cares for you and your health you can tell) and pharmacists do their bit but early retirement-age isn’t really a priority for them because they’re comparatively less strained and hard-working than nurses usually are. Being a 67-year-old bedside nurse is definitely doable but it’s tough. And the people who are still in it at that age (whether they made it to band 6+ or not) deserve to at least be paid fairly. Prolonged strike really isn’t the one but I can kind of understand why it’s happening.

You seem to have a very warped understanding of age.

[bots]

By 2019, life expectancy at birth in England had increased to 79.9 years for males and 83.6 years for females

So obviously elderly kicks in a bit before that :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

By 2019, life expectancy at birth in England had increased to 79.9 years for males and 83.6 years for females

So obviously elderly kicks in a bit before that :laugh:

In Glasgow its 47 and 51

not too bad

[Oliver_W]

By 2019, life expectancy at birth in England had increased to 79.9 years for males and 83.6 years for females

So obviously elderly kicks in a bit before that :laugh:

People will be spending most of their lives as an old person at this rate.

[bots]

covid will have knocked those figures down a bit since 2019, but it will still be high 70's and into 80's

[Beso]

It depends on the person, my mothers 80, and shes always on her hands and knees, mopping or wiping something. Golf 2 to 3 times a week. Smoked until she 50.

I feel older than her, and have mates dropping like flies atm

[Crimson Dynamo]

when they start to smell of piss

[bots]

when they start to smell of piss

that's why your kids call you "the old man" :sad:

[Crimson Dynamo]

that's why your kids call you "the old man" :sad:

Once at an auction I sat down on an old armchair to look at my phone and after abut 20 seconds i thought "what is that smell of piss" so i got up and smelled the seat and it was reeking of piss - as was my trousers

:umm2:

so now I always smell the chair first, as i did this week

[Zizu]

It depends on the person, my mothers 80, and shes always on her hands and knees, mopping or wiping something. Golf 2 to 3 times a week. Smoked until she 50.

I feel older than her, and have mates dropping like flies atm


I bet she grew up on food fried in lard !!


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[Beso]

I bet she grew up on food fried in lard !!


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Probably, cause that's what I got as a kid. Spent all day out and about running it off. I nicknamed my mum butterfly, after the wife on the popular 70s 80s sit com with the same name...she couldnt cook either.

[Beso]

I treated her on her 77th birthday the year before covid. Took her to my old friend alyn William's restaurant at the westbury hotel in mayfair, London..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230504/114efd9f7f4d81c82aebec88f38b12f8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230504/48d19cf31ff843f04e56d126d1b577d7.jpg

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[Cherie]

I treated her on her 77th birthday the year before covid. Took her to my old friend alyn William's restaurant at the westbury hotel in mayfair, London..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230504/114efd9f7f4d81c82aebec88f38b12f8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230504/48d19cf31ff843f04e56d126d1b577d7.jpg

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Lovely photo of your Mum :love: bet she is very happy you are back home

[Oliver_W]

Once at an auction I sat down on an old armchair to look at my phone and after abut 20 seconds i thought "what is that smell of piss" so i got up and smelled the seat and it was reeking of piss - as was my trousers

:umm2:

so now I always smell the chair first, as i did this week

MEp-prdZkgs

[user104658]

Roughly 80+ but it's more about presentation than actual age I would say. Older blokes obviously make up a large proportion of bookies regulars so I've known MANY of them and the range is huge ... some people in their late 60's are clearly headed severely downhill, some in their early 80's are bright and fit as fiddles.

I wouldn't say I've met many people who are still light on their feet and robust-seeming at 85+ though ... so I think somewhere between 80 and 85 must be where "old happens" regardless of other factors.

[smudgie]

When you get your old age pension, officially.
But you are as old as you feel and most people stay young at heart.

[Zizu]

I treated her on her 77th birthday the year before covid. Took her to my old friend alyn William's restaurant at the westbury hotel in mayfair, London..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230504/114efd9f7f4d81c82aebec88f38b12f8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230504/48d19cf31ff843f04e56d126d1b577d7.jpg

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All the top restaurants and Harry Ramsdens chippies cook in lard apparently ( for the taste alone )

Research is now claiming that cooking in lard is one of the healthiest options !


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[Beso]

All the top restaurants and Harry Ramsdens chippies cook in lard apparently ( for the taste alone )

Research is now claiming that cooking in lard is one of the healthiest options !


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I'm glad it's not all doom and gloom.

[Redway]

All the top restaurants and Harry Ramsdens chippies cook in lard apparently ( for the taste alone )

Research is now claiming that cooking in lard is one of the healthiest options !


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You can use lard (pork fat) or you can use beef drippings, duck fat or goose fat (whether it’s for your stews, one-pot rice dishes, meat-marination/frying, sizzled sausages or chips). Duck fat’s especially good for anything potato-related (so chips and stuff, and a touch of groundnut oil also really helps with the frying of it because of its high smoke-point) and stir-fries and goose fat is better for toast, stews and rice. It doesn’t have to be lard-lard per-se.

[Zizu]

You can use lard (pork fat) or you can use beef drippings, duck fat or goose fat (where it’s for your stews, one-pot rice dishes, meat-marination/frying, sizzled sausages or chips). Duck fat’s especially good for anything potato-related (so chips and stuff, and a touch of groundnut oil also really helps with the frying of it because of its high smoke-point) and goose fat is better for toast, stews and rice. It doesn’t have to be lard-lard per-se.


True .. I prefer lard for frying bacon / sausages but the wife prefers beef dripping ..

We use lard in the deep fat fryer .. my old mum and her mum used used lard in the old fashioned frying pans .. my mum lived till 86 and her dad was 88 ..
It was emphysema from working in cotton mills that got her in the end

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[Beso]

You can use lard (pork fat) or you can use beef drippings, duck fat or goose fat (whether it’s for your stews, one-pot rice dishes, meat-marination/frying, sizzled sausages or chips). Duck fat’s especially good for anything potato-related (so chips and stuff, and a touch of groundnut oil also really helps with the frying of it because of its high smoke-point) and stir-fries and goose fat is better for toast, stews and rice. It doesn’t have to be lard-lard per-se.


I would happily cook some burgers in Carol vorderman bum fat oil. It's good for the bowels if I read the recipe properly.

[Redway]

I’m just trying to imagine how peng (nice) air-fried duck/goose-fat + groundnut/bleached palm oil-fried chips would taste (ditto for the fried rice version of that in a cast-iron wok with seafood and foie gras, chicken liver and sweetcorn) would taste. I’d probably add habenero-flavoured ketchup, brown sauce and a touch of mayo. to those chips, and probably have it with a burger (no salad, still). I’m not normally a mayonnaise fan but I will occasionally have it on chips if nothing else.

Five Guys partly use groundnut oil to cook their chips and hot-dogs and that’s part of what makes them taste so good.

[Beso]

I’m just trying to imagine how peng (nice) air-fried duck/goose-fat + groundnut/bleached palm oil-fried chips would taste (ditto for the fried rice version of that in a cast-iron wok with seafood and foie gras, chicken liver and sweetcorn) would taste. I’d probably add habenero-flavoured ketchup, brown sauce and a dollop of mayo. to those chips.

Fattened goose liver is disgusting, me and granny pam had it at the westbury for one of our 6 course taster menu dishes.

Infact shes eating it in the pic.

I'm not a fan of that. And it ruins my spell checker as well

[Redway]

Fattened goose liver is disgusting, me and granny pam had it at the westbury for one of our 6 course taster menu dishes.

Infact shes eating it in the pic.

I'm not a fan of that. And it ruins my spell checker as well

Sounds like granny-parm. has very versatile taste buds.
Did she like the goose liver?

[Beso]

Sounds like granny-parm. has very versatile taste buds.
Did she like the goose liver?

No...and neither did I.

Far to sweet.:nono:

[Redway]

I’m sure a bit of goose fat with haggis wouldn’t go amiss anyhow.