Is it morally right for Camilla to be known as The Queen?

[Kate!]

Poll incoming.

[Cherie]

Yes because that is how the system works, she will never be THE Queen though

[Kate!]

Yes because that is how the system works, she will never be THE Queen though

Well the system is wrong. Imo.

[Jordan.]

No and I'll never refer to her as such.

[Vanessa]

I'm choosing to concentrate on King Charles. He was always going to be king, as the son of the late queen Elisabeth.
But Camilla is not my queen, never will be.

[Kate!]

I have a lot of love for Diana still, and also Kate, but I don't think either of them should or should have been known as the Queen either. They are consorts.

[Oliver_W]

Well yes because she literally is.

Queen Consorts are queens.

[Vanessa]

I like Duchess Kate, I think she's wonderful.
She does remind me of Diana in many ways.
I think she would be very proud of her.

[thesheriff443]

Absolutely, it’s great for all women that she and those that come after her will be known as queens

The more women as treated as equals the better the world will be

[Kate!]

I like Duchess Kate, I think she's wonderful.
She does remind me of Diana in many ways.
I think she would be very proud of her.

She is really lovely. Has the same appeal as Di did. Camilla is a sour faced madam. Her face was tripping her at that concert, she looked bored sh1tless.

[rusticgal]

Yes because that is how the system works, she will never be THE Queen though


Its sad that people just dont get that....:shrug:

[rusticgal]

Well the system is wrong. Imo.

So are you saying had Diana been in Camilla's place you would have disagreed??

[bots]

I would just like to re-iterate what i said on this subject previously. I don't need to call either Charles or Camilla anything. I think terms like king, queen and their majesties have no place in today's society. I'm never going to meet them personally so it's never going to be an issue for me. What anyone else chooses to call them is up to them, but count me out from showing them any respect other than as fellow human beings

I wouldn't call Sunak Prime Minister either. The only one I will ever think of using, is your honour to a judge, as it would go a long way to keeping me out of jail :laugh:

[Glenn.]

Camilla isn’t queen.

To be annoyed that Kate will be is peculiar and extremely dumb. She is married to the heir. She will be queen. And if William dies, she will be queen mother.

I can understand the dislike of camilla but as boring and unremarkable as Kate is, she will be queen.

[Livia]

Yes, it is.

Seems strange to me that we're having this discussion on other people's morality. Who will judge this? Whose morals are so intact that they can judge? Not me....

[joeysteele]

The question is, is it morally right.
The only answer can be really is yes.
Morally, legally and constitutionally right.
Because it is the new King's decision to make and he has.

Personal feelings for or against are immaterial.
So yes it's morally right.

[Kazanne]

Im not bothered either way,I do feel a bit sorry for her though,some of the names she gets called are awfully unkind, I kind of warmed to her when she was a good friend of Paul O Gradys and is an ambassador for battersby dogs home and have seen that she is a very kind lady,I loved Diana too,but she has gone we cant change the past and as Ive said before just because someone is beautiful doesnt not make them someone who can do no wrong , behind closed doors and all that

[smudgie]

She is the Queen as she is married to the King.
In the same way Diana would have been and that Kate will be one day.

[Niamh.]

Absolutely, it’s great for all women that she and those that come after her will be known as queens

The more women as treated as equals the better the world will be

Not really, Queens aren't treated as equals, that's why The Queens husband couldn't be a King.........

[rusticgal]

Not really, Queens aren't treated as equals, that's why The Queens husband couldn't be a King.........


I was thinking about that this morning....its like a Pack of Cards where the King is higher than the Queen...
It needs to change for the sake of equality.....but where does that leave us when we play cards...:laugh:

[Niamh.]

I was thinking about that this morning....its like a Pack of Cards where the King is higher than the Queen...
It needs to change for the sake of equality.....but where does that leave us when we play cards...:laugh:

Back in misogyny land, that's where Rusti :oh: :hehe:

[bots]

how would chess work if the king and queen were equal :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

Not really, Queens aren't treated as equals, that's why The Queens husband couldn't be a King.........

The world is changing
Who knows what the future holds.

[Beso]

I was thinking about that this morning....its like a Pack of Cards where the King is higher than the Queen...
It needs to change for the sake of equality.....but where does that leave us when we play cards...:laugh:

Topless quicker.

[Kate!]

Camilla isn’t queen.

To be annoyed that Kate will be is peculiar and extremely dumb. She is married to the heir. She will be queen. And if William dies, she will be queen mother.

I can understand the dislike of camilla but as boring and unremarkable as Kate is, she will be queen.

Camilla IS Queen, she was crowned in the ceremony fgs.

And who are you referring to as peculiar and dumb? I never said I was annoyed Kate will be Queen. I like her. I just disagree in general, I think the wives or husbands of the Monarchs should just be Consorts. Full stop.

[Vanessa]

Camilla IS Queen, she was crowned in the ceremony fgs.

And who are you referring to as peculiar and dumb? I never said I was annoyed Kate will be Queen. I like her. I just disagree in general, I think the wives or husbands of the Monarchs should just be Consorts. Full stop.

That's what I think as well.
I don't like these outdated laws.

[Vanessa]

I'm not Camilla biggest fan to be honest.
But she's there to support the king. That's about it.

[Zizu]

I'm not Camilla biggest fan to be honest.
But she's there to SUPPORT the king. That's about it.


Well she has been UNDER him since the 70’s ... allegedly

:)


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[GoldHeart]

Well she has been UNDER him since the 70’s ... allegedly

:)


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:skull:

[MTVN]

how would chess work if the king and queen were equal :laugh:

It would stop the king being so useless

[hijaxers]

She is really lovely. Has the same appeal as Di did. Camilla is a sour faced madam. Her face was tripping her at that concert, she looked bored sh1tless.

What rubbish Kate, she did not look bored at all, she and Charlotte had watches that light up to the music. I think they all enjoyed.

[UserSince2005]

Queen of the *****s, yes

[Zizu]

how would chess work if the king and queen were equal :laugh:


Good point !!

I wonder why the creators gave all the power to the Queen ??

Very modern idea !!


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[user104658]

The concept of royalty and inheritance of titles by birthright (and by extension marriage) is inherently immoral so it's not "morally right" for any of them to be known as any of these titles.

However, taking as given that these titles are going to continue to exist, it's a bit of a fudging of the question as I understand it? The two categories are "Queen Consort" and "Queen Regnant", both of which are types of "Queen". So Elizabeth was Queen Regnant, Camilla is Queen Consort, but both can be referred to in the shorthand as "The Queen".

[bots]

The concept of royalty and inheritance of titles by birthright (and by extension marriage) is inherently immoral so it's not "morally right" for any of them to be known as any of these titles.

However, taking as given that these titles are going to continue to exist, it's a bit of a fudging of the question as I understand it? The two categories are "Queen Consort" and "Queen Regnant", both of which are types of "Queen". So Elizabeth was Queen Regnant, Camilla is Queen Consort, but both can be referred to in the shorthand as "The Queen".

and for Alf, they can both be shortened to 'Q'' :omgno:

[Zizu]

The concept of royalty and inheritance of titles by birthright (and by extension marriage) is inherently immoral so it's not "morally right" for any of them to be known as any of these titles.

However, taking as given that these titles are going to continue to exist, it's a bit of a fudging of the question as I understand it? The two categories are "Queen Consort" and "Queen Regnant", both of which are types of "Queen". So Elizabeth was Queen Regnant, Camilla is Queen Consort, but both can be referred to in the shorthand as "The Queen".


Well I’ve learnt something then !!

I’ve never heard of Queen Regnant only Queen Regent !!

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A queen regnant possesses and exercises sovereign powers, whereas a queen consort or queen regent shares her spouse's and/or child's rank and titles but does not share the sovereignty of her spouse or child.


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[Crimson Dynamo]

She isnt the queen

she is the queen consort

not to happy with the DT callin' her the queen

that aint right

[user104658]

Good point !!

I wonder why the creators gave all the power to the Queen ??

Very modern idea !!


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?

Do you play chess? :shrug:

The Queen is the strongest and most useful piece on the board but the game is about killing the King ... the King is still the rimary piece on the board. A skilled enough player can win a game of chess even if they lose their queen half way through the game. Probably not against a very good/evenly matched player, but a professional player would likely still easily beat an average player even if they started with NO queen at all.

I suppose you could modernise the game by letting the player pick which piece takes each role? An interesting twist :joker:.

[Zizu]

and for Alf, they can both be shortened to 'Q'' :omgno:


I’ve shortened it to ….

Na .. best not

:)


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[Zizu]

?

Do you play chess? :shrug:

The Queen is the strongest and most useful piece on the board but the game is about killing the King ... the King is still the rimary piece on the board. A skilled enough player can win a game of chess even if they lose their queen half way through the game. Probably not against a very good/evenly matched player, but a professional player would likely still easily beat an average player even if they started with NO queen at all.

I suppose you could modernise the game by letting the player pick which piece takes each role? An interesting twist :joker:.


I know the basics and even then I always relied very heavily on the Queen
:)

As regards your idea about choosing which piece plays which role .. I’m thinking you could spice things up by each having two all-powerful Queens !!

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[user104658]

I know the basics and even then I always relied very heavily on the Queen
:)

As regards your idea about choosing which piece plays which role .. I’m thinking you could spice things up by each having two all-powerful Queens !!

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You can promote pawns to queens so, technically, you could have up to 9 queens. Realistically more than 2 or 3 seems unlikely :laugh:

[Zizu]

You can promote pawns to queens so, technically, you could have up to 9 queens. Realistically more than 2 or 3 seems unlikely :laugh:


I did NOT know that !!

I knew you could double up in drafts / draughts …


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[user104658]

I did NOT know that !!

I knew you could double up in drafts / draughts …


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If you get a pawn all the way across the board you can promote it, gaining a 2nd queen is a quite common tactic. I guess you could call one Liz and one Camilla :laugh:

[Zizu]

If you get a pawn all the way across the board you can promote it, gaining a 2nd queen is a quite common tactic. I guess you could call one Liz and one Camilla :laugh:


Ahhh

I just use the pawns as cannon fodder to make openings for my knights / Queen / castles


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[Livia]

Well she has been UNDER him since the 70’s ... allegedly

:)


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Here we go again.

[Livia]

The poll speaks volumes.

[Zizu]

The poll speaks volumes.

Oddly enough the poll does not reflect the comments/feelings on this very thread ?!?

There were about 6 detractors on page 1 alone from what I can see

[Livia]

Oddly enough the poll does not reflect the comments/feelings on this very thread ?!?

There were about 6 detractors on page 1 alone from what I can see

Because the minority is small but you're all so loud and relentless.

[Kate!]

Because the minority is small but you're all so loud and relentless.

Roughly a third are against it. That's a significant percentage.

[Livia]

Good point !!

I wonder why the creators gave all the power to the Queen ??

Very modern idea !!


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Before chess came to Europe there was no queen, the piece was the king's advisor but its moves were more restricted. The queen was introduced to Europe in the 15th century and it's believed the queen was made a powerful figure because of European queens at the time and their power struggles. That's how I understand it at least.

[Livia]

Roughly a third are against it. That's a significant percentage.

On this forum. This forum is not representative of the country.

[thesheriff443]

On this forum. This forum is not representative of the country.

What happens livia is the people that do absolutely nothing for this country are the ones shouting the loudest against the people that actually do something for this country.

It’s fcuking hilarious

[Livia]

What happens livia is the people that do absolutely nothing for this country are the ones shouting the loudest against the people that actually do something for this country.

It’s fcuking hilarious

It was ever thus.

[thesheriff443]

Also for that knock their privileges and wealth there is not one single person on this forum that would change places with them!

That tell you all you need to know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also for that knock their privileges and wealth there is not one single person on this forum that would change places with them!

That tell you all you need to know.

correct

[UserSince2005]

scum

[arista]

scum


Let it All Out

[bots]

Too many people cannot accept that the majority of this country are indifferent to Charles and Camilla. The obsequious worshipping of them is quite sickening

[Livia]

Too many people cannot accept that the majority of this country are indifferent to Charles and Camilla. The obsequious worshipping of them is quite sickening

I can't say I've seen much "worshipping" going on, obsequious or otherwise.

[user104658]

Also for that knock their privileges and wealth there is not one single person on this forum that would change places with them!

That tell you all you need to know.

"People wouldn't swap places with those privileged, wealthy people if they weren't privileged and wealthy!!"

:joker: Come on now Sheriff even you can see this is a poor argument.

"Yes he's muscly but I bet you wouldn't swap bodies with Henry Caville if his face got burned off in a house fire would you! AHA! Gotchaaa."

[user104658]

Before chess came to Europe there was no queen, the piece was the king's advisor but its moves were more restricted. The queen was introduced to Europe in the 15th century and it's believed the queen was made a powerful figure because of European queens at the time and their power struggles. That's how I understand it at least.

That's quite interesting actually Livia :hee:. It does make sense in terms of how the game is played, that the "King" is really just a generic "ruler" (be it king, Queen, Emperor or whatever) and the "Queen" is more like a Game-of-Thrones style "Kingsguard".

[thesheriff443]

"People wouldn't swap places with those privileged, wealthy people if they weren't privileged and wealthy!!"

:joker: Come on now Sheriff even you can see this is a poor argument.

"Yes he's muscly but I bet you wouldn't swap bodies with Henry Caville if his face got burned off in a house fire would you! AHA! Gotchaaa."

Honestly don’t know what you are talking about.

[user104658]

Honestly don’t know what you are talking about.

I assumed you were saying that if they didn't have their wealth and privilege no one would swap places with them ... unless you were saying that even WITH their wealth and privilege no one would swap places with them? But that's just a ludicrous claim.

[Niamh.]

I assumed you were saying that if they didn't have their wealth and privilege no one would swap places with them ... unless you were saying that even WITH their wealth and privilege no one would swap places with them? But that's just a ludicrous claim.

tbf I would hate the life of a Royal :laugh: I value my privacy and freedom too much (also Charles is 74 years old, I'm not trading all those years for some cash thanks)

[user104658]

tbf I would hate the life of a Royal :laugh: I value my privacy and freedom too much (also Charles is 74 years old, I'm not trading all those years for some cash thanks)

Well no, no one in their right mind would swap with Charles but that's not because he's a royal ... it's because by the looks of the adema in his hands, it's highly likely that he has congestive heart failure :umm2:.

I was taking it to mean "the royals" more generally, i.e. William and Kate.

And no I don't think that life is for everyone but to say that NO ONE would swap for it really underestimates just how much cash we're talking about here. A truly staggering level of wealth.

[Niamh.]

Well no, no one in their right mind would swap with Charles but that's not because he's a royal ... it's because by the looks of the adema in his hands, it's highly likely that he has congestive heart failure :umm2:.

I was taking it to mean "the royals" more generally, i.e. William and Kate.

And no I don't think that life is for everyone but to say that NO ONE would swap for it really underestimates just how much cash we're talking about here. A truly staggering level of wealth.

I would love the money don't get me wrong but I know myself I wouldn't deal well with not being able to just go and do my own thing without booking it in, having an entourage of security follow me or else have to sneak around like some criminal or have cameras shoved in my face every where I went or unflattering photos plastered over the internet etc etc I understand the money and opportunities would be great but in other ways it must be quite restrictive and smothering. i feel claustrophobic just imagining it. It's easy for ordinary people and those struggling financially to say "OH boo hoo poor rich people" but you can see a lot of the Royals are really unhappy in their lives too. It is true money can't buy happiness especially when you've never known any other life, it isn't a novelty so it's just their life

[bots]

its only really a small handful of royals that get any press attention, the rest of them do exactly what they want and still have bags full of cash

[Niamh.]

its only really a small handful of royals that get any press attention, the rest of them do exactly what they want and still have bags full of cash

Ok maybe I'll trade with a really unpopular but very rich Royal then :hehe:

[bots]

Ok maybe I'll trade with a really unpopular but very rich Royal then :hehe:

Meghan? :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Meghan? :laugh:

Oh that's not what I meant when i said unpopular....really uninteresting and boring Royal then that is never on TV/internet and has no press interest.......:laugh:

[thesheriff443]

Well no, no one in their right mind would swap with Charles but that's not because he's a royal ... it's because by the looks of the adema in his hands, it's highly likely that he has congestive heart failure :umm2:.

I was taking it to mean "the royals" more generally, i.e. William and Kate.

And no I don't think that life is for everyone but to say that NO ONE would swap for it really underestimates just how much cash we're talking about here. A truly staggering level of wealth.

What do they actually get to do with that wealth?
Money should give you freedom and choice but they have neither

[thesheriff443]

The reason Diana was with dodi when she died is because the heart surgeon who she had been seeing for some time, ending the relationship because he couldn’t handle the press intrusion, she even invited his mother to the palace

[Liam-]

When Charlie dies and William takes the thrown, what’s Camilla gonna be known as? Kings stepmother doesn’t really have a ring to it y’know

[bots]

dowager queen at a guess

[Liam-]

dowager queen at a guess

The nickname possibilities :flutter:

[Zizu]

When Charlie dies and William takes the thrown, what’s Camilla gonna be known as? Kings stepmother doesn’t really have a ring to it y’know


Mistress in mourning ?


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[Beso]

When Charlie dies and William takes the thrown, what’s Camilla gonna be known as? Kings stepmother doesn’t really have a ring to it y’know

She will be a bag of dead teeth long before charles.

[Zizu]

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[thesheriff443]

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I bet your face is a picture.

[Zizu]

I bet your face is a picture.


I don’t know how she has the nerve to be seen in public .. brazen , shameless hussy


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[thesheriff443]

I don’t know how she has the nerve to be seen in public .. brazen , shameless hussy


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She a wonderful supportive person

[Zizu]

She a wonderful supportive person


Not so much for Di


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[thesheriff443]

Not so much for Di


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She was with Charles before Diana

[Zizu]

She was with Charles before Diana


Yes .. and whilst he was courting Di , also on the night before his wedding , after the wedding … see a pattern ?

All whist she was also married ( with kids)


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[thesheriff443]

Yes .. and whilst he was courting Di , also on the night before his wedding , after the wedding … see a pattern ?

All whist she was also married ( with kids)


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The thing is it’s none of your business

[Kazanne]

I don’t know how she has the nerve to be seen in public .. brazen , shameless hussy


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No need for such nastiness imo none of us know what went on behind closed doors,I liked Diana but that doesnt mean she was an angel, none of us know what they were like as people Diana was just revered whatever she did. it should be about looks either,we weren't living with them so the name calling is mean and unecessary imo.

[Zizu]

No need for such nastiness imo none of us know what went on behind closed doors,I liked Diana but that doesnt mean she was an angel, none of us know what they were like as people Diana was just revered whatever she did. it should be about looks either,we weren't living with them so the name calling is mean and unecessary imo.


Di only ‘changed’ because of her life being ruined by Charles and his hussy .

Would you have expected her to just carry on as she was with all the madness surrounding her life


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[Jordan.]

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Evil evil woman, she can wear all the money's worth of jewels on her head but she'll always be morally bankrupt!

[Kazanne]

Di only ‘changed’ because of her life being ruined by Charles and his hussy .

Would you have expected her to just carry on as she was with all the madness surrounding her life


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You dont know that, none of us do

[UserSince2005]

She is better known as the trollop

[bots]

i don't consider Charles my king or Camilla as queen. For me they are drunken idiots playing dress up

[Zizu]

You dont know that, none of us do


It is known and generally accepted … apart from anything else it’s absolutely bloody obvious - how could it not have


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