English cricket 'deep-rooted' in racism, sexism, and classism

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/854724b26ce3f748101e3202abbd9e22?impolicy=wcms_cro p_resize&cropH=1594&cropW=2389&xPos=305&yPos=0&width=862&height=575

English cricket is deep-rooted with widespread institutional racism, sexism
and class-based discrimination, a report has found.

The England and Wales Cricket Board issued an unreserved apology for the
failings highlighted in the report and to the victims of discrimination in
cricket, and will work over the next three months on a package of reforms
based on the 44 recommendations within the report.


The ECB must commit to being an anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-classist
organisation and encourage all other cricketing organisations to do the same.

Within the next six months, it must put in place mandatory, specialist, high-
quality training to support the development of racial literacy amongst its
leadership and the most senior leadership of the wider game.

There was no mention that the game was also pretty boring.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12909999/english-cricket-deep-rooted-in-racism-sexism-and-classism-report-by-icec-finds

MTVN :nono:

[bots]

english cricket has always been discriminatory. They act like it's something new

[Niamh.]

****e game anyway

[user104658]

Racism, classism and sexism in sport? WELL I NEVER!?!?!?

[Redway]

Cricket’s a crap sport anyway. At least to me.

[MTVN]

****e game anyway

Cricket’s a crap sport anyway. At least to me.

What about this discrimination that cricket has to face :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1673605366767054849?s=20

[Redway]

What about this discrimination that cricket has to face :(

What’s to enjoy about cricket, really?

[Swan]

What’s to enjoy about cricket, really?

The 20 and 50 Overs games are quite good. Especially in World Cup games.

[Nicky91]

England aren't even best cricket country anyway :idc:


West Indies are, my nation is getting better too, Zimbabwe also quite good

[arista]

What about this discrimination that cricket has to face :(


Sure, some do not like it

[Crimson Dynamo]

England aren't even best cricket country anyway :idc:


West Indies are, my nation is getting better too, Zimbabwe also quite good

not very diverse and all men? :umm2:

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[Niamh.]

What about this discrimination that cricket has to face :(

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[Nicky91]

we all knew cricket is a posh sport :laugh:


nothing knew in this non-story, sky sports also scraping the barrel for news content :fan:

[Zizu]

Soooo my elderly next door neighbour ( 87) is absolutely livid !!


He watches all forms of cricket and ( like many others ) he NOW detests all the women taking over the men’s game ( they also do all the women’s matches as well ) !!


The second ODI featuring England and South Africa is on soon and this woman is THE expert pundit …

The funny thing is when I told him that women were ruining the whole experience of watching footie on the telly he dismissed my grumblings as an overreaction but now HIS precious cricket is going the same way !!

I hadn’t the heart to say “ I told you so ! “

Incidentally she isn’t even an ex cricketer which in itself would be bad enough !

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[BBXX]

Soooo my elderly next door neighbour ( 87) is absolutely livid !!


He watches all forms of cricket and ( like many others ) he NOW detests all the women taking over the men’s game ( they also do all the women’s matches as well ) !!


The second ODI featuring England and South Africa is on soon and this woman is THE expert pundit …

The funny thing is when I told him that women were ruining the whole experience of watching footie on the telly he dismissed my grumblings as an overreaction but now HIS precious cricket is going the same way !!

I hadn’t the heart to say “ I told you so ! “

Incidentally she isn’t even an ex cricketer which in itself would be bad enough !

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You really hate women being outside the kitchen huh.

[Livia]

Soooo my elderly next door neighbour ( 87) is absolutely livid !!


He watches all forms of cricket and ( like many others ) he NOW detests all the women taking over the men’s game ( they also do all the women’s matches as well ) !!


The second ODI featuring England and South Africa is on soon and this woman is THE expert pundit …

The funny thing is when I told him that women were ruining the whole experience of watching footie on the telly he dismissed my grumblings as an overreaction but now HIS precious cricket is going the same way !!

I hadn’t the heart to say “ I told you so ! “

Incidentally she isn’t even an ex cricketer which in itself would be bad enough !

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Do you think it's your condition that makes you profoundly unaware of the misogyny of your anti-women posts and make you justify.your stance when people point it out? Well, you're not anti ALL women obviously, just the ones that aren't very young, very pretty or very AI.

[MTVN]

Soooo my elderly next door neighbour ( 87) is absolutely livid !!


He watches all forms of cricket and ( like many others ) he NOW detests all the women taking over the men’s game ( they also do all the women’s matches as well ) !!


The second ODI featuring England and South Africa is on soon and this woman is THE expert pundit …

The funny thing is when I told him that women were ruining the whole experience of watching footie on the telly he dismissed my grumblings as an overreaction but now HIS precious cricket is going the same way !!

I hadn’t the heart to say “ I told you so ! “

Incidentally she isn’t even an ex cricketer which in itself would be bad enough !

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She's been a cricket commentator for twenty years

[Benjamin]

Soooo my elderly next door neighbour ( 87) is absolutely livid !!


He watches all forms of cricket and ( like many others ) he NOW detests all the women taking over the men’s game ( they also do all the women’s matches as well ) !!


The second ODI featuring England and South Africa is on soon and this woman is THE expert pundit …

The funny thing is when I told him that women were ruining the whole experience of watching footie on the telly he dismissed my grumblings as an overreaction but now HIS precious cricket is going the same way !!

I hadn’t the heart to say “ I told you so ! “

Incidentally she isn’t even an ex cricketer which in itself would be bad enough !

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Women are not the reason the sport is being ruined.

But seeing as I’m currently bored, please entertain me as to why you think it is the case.

[Zizu]

You really hate women being outside the kitchen huh.


Well it may appear so if you just read the odd post here and there and then take everything out of context


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[Zizu]

Do you think it's your condition that makes you profoundly unaware of the misogyny of your anti-women posts and make you justify.your stance when people point it out? Well, you're not anti ALL women obviously, just the ones that aren't very young, very pretty or very AI.


That’s entirely feasible as the autism rules my life and has made me the person I am ..

Incidentally , Alex Scott is drop dead gorgeous and yet she is a useless soccer pundit/ expert soooooooon
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[Zizu]

Women are not the reason the sport is being ruined.

But seeing as I’m currently bored, please entertain me as to why you think it is the case.


To be fair I have explained my belief as to why women pundits and co commentators are ruining men’s football many, many times already


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[Livia]

That’s entirely feasible as the autism rules my life and has made me the person I am ..

Incidentally , Alex Scott is drop dead gorgeous and yet she is a useless soccer pundit/ expert soooooooon
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No, YOU think Alex Scott is a useless pundit. Whether or not you fancy her is nothing to me.

The way you talk about women is out-dated at best, Zizu. I'm sure you're aware of what you're doing as it's pointed out constantly by a range of different people. We are ALL defined by our mental state which makes all of us who we are. Ignoring people's objections and blaming your condition is wearing thin.

[Zizu]

No, YOU think Alex Scott is a useless pundit. Whether or not you fancy her is nothing to me.

The way you talk about women is out-dated at best, Zizu. I'm sure you're aware of what you're doing as it's pointed out constantly by a range of different people. We are ALL defined by our mental state which makes all of us who we are. Ignoring people's objections and blaming your condition is wearing thin.


You suggested that I hated women UNLESS they are good looking so I simply disproved your theory


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[Niamh.]

You suggested that I hated women UNLESS they are good looking so I simply disproved your theory


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNah, she pointed out that you view woman as objects for your viewing pleasure rather than actual people with personalities and .......brains

[Zizu]

Nah, she pointed out that you view woman as objects for your viewing pleasure rather than actual people with personalities and .......brains


Well all that would be fine and dandy if it was even remotely true..

I’ve discussed my private life , in some detail , previously and I have oodles of lovely lady ‘friends’ and not one of them would ever suggest that I am sexist ..

Granted we don’t ever discuss the roles of women in televised football ..


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[Barry.]

Do you think it's your condition that makes you profoundly unaware of the misogyny of your anti-women posts and make you justify.your stance when people point it out? Well, you're not anti ALL women obviously, just the ones that aren't very young, very pretty or very AI.

Nah it’s not his autism that makes him sexist, just that he is

[Zizu]

Nah it’s not his autism that makes him sexist, just that he is


Then again we will never know .. it’s pure folly to imagine that having to endure the stress and strain of being autistic hasn’t impacted negatively on my personality


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[Barry.]

Then again we will never know .. it’s pure folly to imagine that having to endure the stress and strain of being autistic hasn’t impacted negatively on my personality


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I’m autistic yet I respect women. Can I say being autistic makes me a bitch? You got to own your actions, even if it is a bit to do with it

[Cherie]

Is Zizu in trouble again

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is Zizu in trouble again

Leg before wicket

[bots]

Leg before wicket

or .....


Chicks before dicks (the alternative version)

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1673605366767054849?s=20

Tbf, black people being the best runners in that particular tournament is not racist.:joker:

Having said that though, was Cricket really suffering with prejudice or is it just the 2020's failing to understand the definition of certain words, and just throw them out at things that they don't like?

[Mystic Mock]

Women are not the reason the sport is being ruined.

But seeing as I’m currently bored, please entertain me as to why you think it is the case.

I agree with you personally.

The thing that's ruining Cricket is the same thing that's currently ruining Football and F1, which is a lack of big personalities within Cricket.

I mean this was the same Sport that at one time had Freddie Flintoff, Michael Vaughan, and Shane Warne participating at the same time, now they're all incredibly dull.

[Zizu]

I’m autistic yet I respect women. Can I say being autistic makes me a bitch? You got to own your actions, even if it is a bit to do with it


I totally respect women in my everyday life .. I still open doors for women of all ages as it’s ingrained in me to do BUT I just can’t stand unqualified female football pundits and co-commentators talking sh1te


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[Zizu]

I agree with you personally.

The thing that's ruining Cricket is the same thing that's currently ruining Football and F1, which is a lack of big personalities within Cricket.

I mean this was the same Sport that at one time had Freddie Flintoff, Michael Vaughan, and Shane Warne participating at the same time, now they're all incredibly dull.


Those personalities are still there plus many , many others but the tv companies are now using relatively unknown ( certainly unqualified) females instead
I don’t know if its box ticking or they are cheap as chips to hire . .. maybe both

Alex Scott is a monumental box ticker… big personality, big social media presence , black , ex player , lesbian , outspoken ..


How many boxes do you need to tick. ??


Same with F1

Last week ( I may have uploaded a photo) there were 3 unknown women discussing the upcoming race .. one was obviously the host, one was an ex race technician and one was an ex pro race driver ( NOT F1 ) who was black, gorgeous looking but admitted to knowing NOTHING about cars … she just drove them ….


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[Zizu]

I agree with you personally.

The thing that's ruining Cricket is the same thing that's currently ruining Football and F1, which is a lack of big personalities within Cricket.

I mean this was the same Sport that at one time had Freddie Flintoff, Michael Vaughan, and Shane Warne participating at the same time, now they're all incredibly dull.


Here’s another occasion .. no ex F1 driver involved

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[Redway]

Do you think it's your condition that makes you profoundly unaware of the misogyny of your anti-women posts and make you justify.your stance when people point it out? Well, you're not anti ALL women obviously, just the ones that aren't very young, very pretty or very AI.

I ask myself this question every day.

[Redway]

Well it may appear so if you just read the odd post here and there and then take everything out of context


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It’s not just the odd post here-and-there, though, is it? It’s constant. It’s everywhere. It’s in threads that you’ve bumped for no other apparent reason than to spout more misogyny.

And people wonder why I get frustrated with you.

[Zizu]

It’s not just the odd post here-and-there, though, is it? It’s constant. It’s everywhere. It’s in threads that you’re bumped for no other apparent reason than to spout more misogyny.

And people wonder why I get frustrated with you.


Nobody wonders that at all .. you get frustrated at the most incredible things - a momentary glance at the “ what annoys me thread “ is an eye opener


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[Redway]

I’m autistic yet I respect women. Can I say being autistic makes me a bitch? You got to own your actions, even if it is a bit to do with it

Taking accountability isn’t in his dictionary. It’s an alien concept to him that won’t penetrate. It always has to be his autism’s fault rather-than the fault of him, an autonomous being whose entire personality shouldn’t be defined by being neurodivergent (which is a very unhealthy place to be in if that is the case). I’m sure Ali from last year didn’t blame every spat she had with Marcello, calling out his misogyny, on her neurodivergence.

[Redway]

Nobody wonders that at all .. you get frustrated at the most incredible things - a momentary glance at the “ what annoys me thread “ is an eye opener


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I believe it’s called being vaguely rhetorical.

[BBXX]

I totally respect women in my everyday life .. I still open doors for women of all ages as it’s ingrained in me to do BUT I just can’t stand unqualified female football pundits and co-commentators talking sh1te


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Dude, the job she's being to do is as a commentator and journalist. She has a degree in sports communication and a major in broadcast journalism and has been commentating on cricket since 2005.

In what world is she unqualified.

Interesting you don't mention you have an issue with unqualified male sports pundits though.

When even Livia and I agree on something you know you've ****ed up. :laugh:

[Zizu]

Taking accountability isn’t in his dictionary. It’s an alien concept to him that won’t penetrate. It always has to be his autism’s fault rather-than the fault of him, an autonomous being whose entire personality shouldn’t be defined by being neurodivergent (which is a very unhealthy place to be in if that is the case). I’m sure Ali from last year didn’t blame every spat she had with Marcello, calling out his misogyny, on her neurodivergence.


Give it a rest .,

I have never blamed my autism for my faults .. occasionally someone will ask if autism makes me how I am and I just say maybe it does somewhat as it seems likely it will to some extent


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[Zizu]

Dude, the job she's being to do is as a commentator and journalist. She has a degree in sports communication and a major in broadcast journalism and has been commentating on cricket since 2005.

In what world is she unqualified.

Interesting you don't mention you have an issue with unqualified male sports pundits though.

When even Livia and I agree on something you know you've ****ed up. :laugh:


Has she played cricket at the highest level …men’s test match level ?

No … end of


Remember the saying … those who can .. do
those who can’t… teach ( or lecture)

As to the male pundits… like them or hate them they have all played football / cricket ow whatever at the highest level PLUS we have all seen them play and know what positions they played and even how good they were ..

There’s not much ( if any) footage of these women pundits and even then it was at a pitifully poor level ( below our non league level) so they are not qualified to critique or criticise these elite premier league guys


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[Zizu]

I believe it’s called being vaguely rhetorical.


That’s not what the rest of us call it ..,


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[BBXX]

Has she played cricket at the highest level …men’s test match level ?


When does that need to be a criteria for being a sports journalist. Do you hold other journalists to the same standard? Do you have to have worked as a Prime Minister to report on political news?

Remember the saying … those who can .. do those who can’t… teach ( or lecture)


That’s essentially what she’s doing, bozo. :skull:

[Redway]

Give it a rest .,

I have never blamed my autism for my faults .. occasionally someone will ask if autism makes me how I am and I just say maybe it does somewhat as it seems likely it will to some extent


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That’s exactly what you’re doing here. You think that your autism excuses your misogyny, rather than taking accountability for your fault and having the guts to own it. Nothing’s ever your fault. It’s always about your condition, whether people bring it up or not.

A man in his late 60s should be able to take some basic accountability.

[Redway]

That’s not what the rest of us call it ..,


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I think you’ll find it is. In the world of people who understand basic social irony. You’re on your own with this one.

[Zizu]

When does that need to be a criteria for being a sports journalist. Do you hold other journalists to the same standard? Do you have to have worked as a Prime Minister to report on political news?



That’s essentially what she’s doing, bozo. :skull:


She’s lecturing because she can’t play and couldn’t play at the highest level … oh and I thought person insults were frowned upon !

Oh and it’s pure folly to bring politics or politicians into this discussion given none of them are ever qualified for their given roles

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[Zizu]

That’s exactly what you’re doing here. You think that your autism excuses your misogyny, rather than taking accountability for your fault and having the guts to own it. Nothing’s ever your fault. It’s always about your condition, whether people bring it up or not.

A man in his late 60s should be able to take some basic accountability.


Are you still waffling on ..


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[Redway]

Are you still waffling on ..


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I am. You need to get better at comeback if you insist on defending yourself and your misogyny. Paper-thin defensive deflection only goes so far when it’s a recurring theme. Just own what you say, man. It’s not hard.

[Zizu]

I am. You need to get better at comeback if you insist on defending yourself and your misogyny. Paper-thin defensive deflection only goes so far when it’s a recurring theme. Just own what you say, man. It’s not hard.


Yawn

Just mosey on back to your “What irritates me “ thread ..
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[Redway]

Yawn

Just mosey on back to your “What irritates me “ thread ..
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I’m not the only one saying it. You can’t just ignore the last 2 pages.

[Zizu]

I’m not the only one saying it. You can’t just ignore the last 2 pages.


To be fair its the same old people who have the same little digs whenever the opportunity arises sooooooo


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[Redway]

To be fair its the same old people who have the same little digs whenever the opportunity arises sooooooo


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So you think you should just be allowed to blame the suicide of sports-players on women-commentators who you don’t find attractive and spout more of the most blatant misogyny, with no-one calling you out on your misogyny because it’s ’the same-old people ganging up on you and weaponising your autism’? Between playing dumb and being genuinely oblivious to how sexist and demeaning to women your posts are and knowing exactly what you’re doing but allergic to taking accountability and owning your misogyny because you’ve been babied and enabled all your life and never held to account for anything, I’d guess it’s the latter.

It’s not just the same-old. It’s anyone with eyes. Take. Accountability. For once in your life. Grow up. Be an adult.

And by all means, ‘sooOoooo … wow!!! go back to your what irritates me thread’ me. My point still stands. People are sick of you using your autism to excuse your vile, pervy attitude to women.

[Livia]

Here’s another occasion .. no ex F1 driver involved

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Mark Chapman is not an ex footballer but a great pundit. But then, he has a cock, so....

[Livia]

To be fair its the same old people who have the same little digs whenever the opportunity arises sooooooo


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Maybe stop being so awful about women and blaming your autism?

[Redway]

Mark Chapman is not an ex footballer but a great pundit. But then, he has a cock, so....

‘Sooooooo….. !!! soOoooOOoooon!!!…. well; I believe a woman should be pretty and off the pitch’ (in a nutshell) ‘soOoOooooo’

[MTVN]

Mark Chapman is not an ex footballer but a great pundit. But then, he has a cock, so....

Yeah sorry Zizu but that's nonsense that you need to have played professionally to commentate on a sport.

Lots of the biggest commentators have never played professionally (Motson, Clive Tyldesley etc) and neither have most football journalists. You often get better insights from non players tbh, ex pros speak more in cliches or just point out the obvious

[Zizu]

Maybe stop being so awful about women and blaming your autism?


Errr I don’t blame autism - see previous explanation


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[Livia]

Errr I don’t blame autism - see previous explanation


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You know what you're doing. You explain it, you justify it, so you do understand.

I just can't watch it anymore.

[Zizu]

Yeah sorry Zizu but that's nonsense that you need to have played professionally to commentate on a sport.

Lots of the biggest commentators have never played professionally (Motson, Clive Tyldesley etc) and neither have most football journalists. You often get better insights from non players tbh, ex pros speak more in cliches or just point out the obvious


Well my specialist subject sport wise is football and the female pundits talk absolute hogwash more often than not .. unless they are just recycling what their fellow ( male) pundits are saying ..

Karen Carney often says … “ well it’s as Wrighty was saying” or “ I agree with Gary “

Her own comments rarely have any substance


Call me old fashioned but if they are discussing attacking I want Wrighty , midfield Roy Keane .. defending … Gary Neville or Martyn Keown .., not Karen Carney who we’ve never seen play or some ex female player who managed to play 135 games over 15 seasons at a time when they weren’t even fully professional

Anyway I’m out … you lot are impinging on my greek holiday
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[Swan]

Punditry isn't a problem for me because ever since i can remember i rarely watch any build up for games (unless very big Chelsea games). At HT i don't listen to any of them talk, usually just check X and other SM stuff to see what's being said. And after the game, again unless a big game for Chelsea, or something highly controversial has happened in game, i turn off. I don't need to listen to them talk me through what i've just watched. Men, women, i have little interest in their "analysis"

There are a few commentators i have genuine disdain for though, people like Steve McManaman. Michael Owen and Lee Dixon, their commentary is beyond awful. Presenter wise, meh, dunno really. I watch most of my games on streams for free, so it's usually US or AUS coverage. Will say this though, i cannot stand Alex Scott, she's on the BBC for the most part, but again, easily avoided, switch over 1 min before kick off, make a cuppa at HT, then switched off after the final whistle.

[Livia]

Well my specialist subject sport wise is football and the female pundits talk absolute hogwash more often than not .. unless they are just recycling what their fellow ( male) pundits are saying ..

Karen Carney often says … “ well it’s as Wrighty was saying” or “ I agree with Gary “

Her own comments rarely have any substance


Call me old fashioned but if they are discussing attacking I want Wrighty , midfield Roy Keane .. defending … Gary Neville or Martyn Keown .., not Karen Carney who we’ve never seen play or some ex female player who managed to play 135 games over 15 seasons at a time when they weren’t even fully professional

Anyway I’m out … you lot are impinging on my greek holiday
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Done with you Zizu. You're a disgrace. Bye.

[Redway]

Done with you Zizu. You're a disgrace. Bye.

Firmly seconded. Utter, utter disgrace of a man and a disgrace to the neurodivergent community.

God knows how his wife has put up with him for half a century (if, indeed, she even exists). That poor, poor woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Maru]

Oh hey, good morning all :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets get this thread back to the cricket shall we

ynyBDYH9iUc

[MTVN]

Lets get this thread back to the cricket shall we

ynyBDYH9iUc

400 for England in today's ODI :hello:

[Livia]

We like to take a picnic and watch our local village cricket team when they're at home. They're bloody awful, but it's a nice way to spend an afternoon.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well done the men

[MTVN]

We like to take a picnic and watch our local village cricket team when they're at home. They're bloody awful, but it's a nice way to spend an afternoon.

Are you one of our famous pinot grigio brigade of loyal supporters? :suspect:

[Livia]

Are you one of our famous pinot grigio brigade of loyal supporters? :suspect:

Maybe........

Let's put it this way, I don't go for the cricket, I have no idea of the rules.

[Swan]

Maybe........

Let's put it this way, I don't go for the cricket, I have no idea of the rules.

Well, you are a woman, and it is a sport after all, how could you possibly know the rules. But it's nice your husband allows you a day out of the house here and there. Just make sure you only speak when spoken to ok :smug:

[Maru]

Well, you are a woman, and it is a sport after all, how could you possibly know the rules. But it's nice your husband allows you a day out of the house here and there. Just make sure you only speak when spoken to ok :smug:

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[AnnieK]

I was brought up around cricket. My Dad and brother played and so I was there every week (when my mum and Dad argued as a kid it was always about how much he was at the club lol)...I used to score for the local 1st eleven and my mum used to help in the tea room. My brother still plays, his kids all play too and two of them play at county level for their age groups
My brother played for Lancs second team when he was younger.

I go with my Dad every year to watch the Manchester Originals....he's not a huge fan of the format but its a fun day out.

[Swan]

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I was just kidding :joker:

[Maru]

I was just kidding :joker:

I'm aware

[Swan]

I'm aware

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[Redway]

Maybe........

Let's put it this way, I don't go for the cricket, I have no idea of the rules.

I don’t blame you.

[Beso]

Well my specialist subject sport wise is football and the female pundits talk absolute hogwash more often than not .. unless they are just recycling what their fellow ( male) pundits are saying ..

Karen Carney often says … “ well it’s as Wrighty was saying” or “ I agree with Gary “

Her own comments rarely have any substance


Call me old fashioned but if they are discussing attacking I want Wrighty , midfield Roy Keane .. defending … Gary Neville or Martyn Keown .., not Karen Carney who we’ve never seen play or some ex female player who managed to play 135 games over 15 seasons at a time when they weren’t even fully professional

Anyway I’m out … you lot are impinging on my greek holiday
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Any totty on the beach??

That's attractive half naked young ladies, not that useless Italian ex player.

[Livia]

Any totty on the beach??

That's attractive half naked young ladies, not that useless Italian ex player.

Welcome back to the 1950s, Parm.

[Beso]

Scotland blazed the trail regarding the thread op...way back pre covid..

[Beso]

Welcome back to the 1950s, Parm.

I think he played in the 90s!

[Redway]

or .....


Chicks before dicks (the alternative version)

I think in his case that’s dicks before chicks. Unless the chicks are young and conventionally very, very pretty. And even then they’ve got no place commentating on a man’s sport, right?

[Redway]

I totally respect women in my everyday life .. I still open doors for women of all ages as it’s ingrained in me to do BUT I just can’t stand unqualified female football pundits and co-commentators talking sh1te


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Being chivalrous doesn’t negate being a misogynist. If anything, the two can have a certain connection. Giving so much attention to “pretty women” who aren’t your long-suffering wife (if, at-all, she even exists) isn’t healthy. You’ve micro-cheated on her so many times on here and Instagram. Absolute disgrace.

[Mystic Mock]

Those personalities are still there plus many , many others but the tv companies are now using relatively unknown ( certainly unqualified) females instead
I don’t know if its box ticking or they are cheap as chips to hire . .. maybe both

Alex Scott is a monumental box ticker… big personality, big social media presence , black , ex player , lesbian , outspoken ..


How many boxes do you need to tick. ??


Same with F1

Last week ( I may have uploaded a photo) there were 3 unknown women discussing the upcoming race .. one was obviously the host, one was an ex race technician and one was an ex pro race driver ( NOT F1 ) who was black, gorgeous looking but admitted to knowing NOTHING about cars … she just drove them ….


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I'm talking about current Cricketers and Footballers and F1 drivers having zero personality.

And tbf I get what you're saying to a point about the box ticking in general (not just with women) but my biggest issue personally is a lack of personality in our current Sports stars and Pundits, and again it's not just the women or POC like I know that some people on the Internet might suggest (and I'm not meaning you btw, Zizu) because Plank from Ed, Edd n' Eddy every Saturday is proof that it's not just the Political “box tickers" that are lacking charisma because he is a white dude.

[Mystic Mock]

Here’s another occasion .. no ex F1 driver involved

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Those three were on episode 12 of Martin Mystery that I watched a few days back.

[Zizu]

Those three were on episode 12 of Martin Mystery that I watched a few days back.


Back in the day you would see Martin Brundle , David Coulthard , Jacques Villeneuve , Nico Rosberg , Jenson Button or Damien Hill


All amazing drivers, all guys we got to see perform at elite levels .. now we have 3 women who could have been taken out of a queue at Tesco for all we know .

Its the same in football - they are replacing all the brilliant ex players who we all saw play with random women who nobody has seen play …

I tell a lie I recently saw Karen Carney play in Soccer Aid and surprise surprise she was overshadowed by a few TV actors/ pop stars


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[Beso]

Anyone bad mouthing kelly dalgliesh or Jill from the overlap then there will be trouble.

Just saying.

[Zizu]

Anyone bad mouthing kelly dalgliesh or Jill from the overlap then there will be trouble.

Just saying.


I absolutely love Jill Scott on the Overlap .. her interactions with Gary , Ian and Roy are brilliantly funny .. that said she adds very little to the actual football convos .. if we’re being brutally honest


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[Beso]

I absolutely love Jill Scott on the Overlap .. her interactions with Gary , Ian and Roy are brilliantly funny .. that said she adds very little to the actual football convos .. if we’re being brutally honest


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Only because the other 3 talk over her.

[Zizu]

Only because the other 3 talk over her.


Na … she isn’t shy or retiring at all.. she is constantly making real funny comments/insults

Really it’s more that when she does (comparatively rarely) offer a story from her own career or maybe voices an opinion on a current story it just doesn’t resinate at all

The guys rarely even comment ( positively or otherwise) because they can’t relate to the stories

Sometimes they are just boring as hell as she felt that she had to offer something to the conversation


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone bad mouthing kelly dalgliesh or Jill from the overlap then there will be trouble.

Just saying.

Love both

[Mystic Mock]

Back in the day you would see Martin Brundle , David Coulthard , Jacques Villeneuve , Nico Rosberg , Jenson Button or Damien Hill


All amazing drivers, all guys we got to see perform at elite levels .. now we have 3 women who could have been taken out of a queue at Tesco for all we know .

Its the same in football - they are replacing all the brilliant ex players who we all saw play with random women who nobody has seen play …

I tell a lie I recently saw Karen Carney play in Soccer Aid and surprise surprise she was overshadowed by a few TV actors/ pop stars


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Admittedly I am shocked that there were no ex-driver amongst the three in the picture.

[Zizu]

Admittedly I am shocked that there were no ex-driver amongst the three in the picture.


It’s presumably a mixture of box ticking plus they will be far cheaper than the ex F1 drivers


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[Livia]

Admittedly I am shocked that there were no ex-driver amongst the three in the picture.

Do you think Murray Walker was a driver? No... Not all commentators are ex sports people but it only bothers Zizu if they are women. How he's allowed to continue with his nonsense is beyond me.

For the record, I really like Karen Carney and I'm sick to DEATH of his constant comments about her mostly, I imagine, because he doesn't fancy her. And the worst thing is, he'll make excuses for why his nasty misogyny should be given a pass.

[Zizu]

Do you think Murray Walker was a driver? No... Not all commentators are ex sports people but it only bothers Zizu if they are women. How he's allowed to continue with his nonsense is beyond me.

For the record, I really like Karen Carney and I'm sick to DEATH of his constant comments about her mostly, I imagine, because he doesn't fancy her. And the worst thing is, he'll make excuses for why his nasty misogyny should be given a pass.


You are baffled as to why I am allowed to offer an opinion on a public forum ?

Karen Carney is a beautiful looking lady so you are wrong straight away .. she regularly features on ‘hot celebrities’ polls

Also Alex Scott is absolutely drop dead gorgeous so another example where you are incorrect

They both regularly talk hogwash and neither played at an acceptable level to offer criticism to the elite premier league players ( male)

Murray Walker was a legendary commentator the like we may never see again so it’s ridiculous to mention him in the same sentence as these nomarks ..

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[Livia]

You are baffled as to why I am allowed to offer an opinion on a public forum ?

Karen Carney is a beautiful looking lady so you are wrong straight away .. she regularly features on ‘hot celebrities’ polls

Also Alex Scott is absolutely drop dead gorgeous so another example where you are incorrect

They both regularly talk hogwash and neither played at an acceptable level to offer criticism to the elite premier league players ( male)


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I want nothing to do with you and your pathetic, continuously misogynistic posts. How you get away with it is a mystery to me.

I have you on ignore, this is a courtesy post to save you wasting your time in future.

[Zizu]

I want nothing to do with you and your pathetic, continuously misogynistic posts. How you get away with it is a mystery to me.

I have you on ignore, this is a courtesy post to save you wasting your time in future.


Hallelujah !

You were incorrect AGAIN about me disliking Karen Carney because I don’t find her attractive ..

Every time I criticise female soccer / F1 pundits I give a detailed explanation but you never try to prove me wrong because you can’t as I am factually correct


As an afterthought.. you constantly criticise Prince Harry unfairly and cruelly but I don’t wildly overreact as you always do .. it’s a forum for all viewpoints

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[Mystic Mock]

Do you think Murray Walker was a driver? No... Not all commentators are ex sports people but it only bothers Zizu if they are women. How he's allowed to continue with his nonsense is beyond me.

For the record, I really like Karen Carney and I'm sick to DEATH of his constant comments about her mostly, I imagine, because he doesn't fancy her. And the worst thing is, he'll make excuses for why his nasty misogyny should be given a pass.

That's a fair point about Murray Walker, I'm probably just too used to Football and Tennis where most of the Pundits are ex-players of the game.

And I personally like Karen Carney too, I personally don't understand Zizu's dislike for her, if you're right about his reason then I do think that he is being harsh.

[Mystic Mock]

It’s presumably a mixture of box ticking plus they will be far cheaper than the ex F1 drivers


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I think the wages point that you've made is a really strong possibility.

We all know that Corporations don't like to spend money.:laugh:

[Zizu]

That's a fair point about Murray Walker, I'm probably just too used to Football and Tennis where most of the Pundits are ex-players of the game.

And I personally like Karen Carney too, I personally don't understand Zizu's dislike for her, if you're right about his reason then I do think that he is being harsh.


She is/was incorrect as I explained above


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[Mystic Mock]

She incorrect as I explained above


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Fair enough.