The UK justice Thread

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1691176638510239745?s=20

[arista]

Good those Punks are now in Jail

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Top police officer has told parents they
need to do more to stop their children getting
involved in dangerous TikTok crazes.
Her comments come days after a flash mob
organised on the site engaged in looting
on London's Oxford Street.]


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[Zizu]

Thousands of prisoners will be released early at the start of September, the justice secretary has announced.


Under her plan, some prisoners will be released after they have served 40% of their sentence in England and Wales, rather than the current 50%.



Great .. aa well as having a far too lenient justice system we now have this .


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[Mystic Mock]

I understand that we have an issue with Prison space, but there are a couple of ideas that Labour could try that would mitigate the problem.

1. Downgrade the more "petty" crimes to Community Service, and leave the Prisons for the more hardcore crimes.

2. Maybe spend actual money to build more Prisons.

Because I don't think many of us want murderers, pedos, rapists, or people that have Acid attacked someone, to be let loose into society.

[GoldHeart]

I understand that we have an issue with Prison space, but there are a couple of ideas that Labour could try that would mitigate the problem.

1. Downgrade the more "petty" crimes to Community Service, and leave the Prisons for the more hardcore crimes.

2. Maybe spend actual money to build more Prisons.

Because I don't think many of us want murderers, pedos, rapists, or people that have Acid attacked someone, to be let loose into society.

Labour won't do any of that , as what you just said is common sense... which seems to be lacking in politics especially these days.

[Mystic Mock]

Labour won't do any of that , as what you just said is common sense... which seems to be lacking in politics especially these days.

Thanks for the common sense compliment.:blush:

And you're probably right that they probably won't bring these policies forward, but one can only dream.:fc:

[bots]

labour committed to tory plans to make spending cuts. Part of that was getting rid of several thousand prison officers. That's the main reason they are letting prisoners out early, but they won't tell anyone that:laugh:

[Cherie]

labour committed to tory plans to make spending cuts. Part of that was getting rid of several thousand prison officers. That's the main reason they are letting prisoners out early, but they won't tell anyone that:laugh:

Thought prisons were understaffed

[bots]

Thought prisons were understaffed

yep, they are, but they are still getting rid of prison officers to cut costs

[joeysteele]

Thought prisons were understaffed

Prison officers are LEAVING because they cannot cope with the stress of overcrowded prisons.

With more and more getting custodial sentences with hardly any places left in prisons for them.

I've long advocated that unless there's violence, damage to property and all sexual related offences
Prison should be a very last resort .

The last government has depleted the probation service too.

I see no point of people in prison for financial offences only, when more often than not, what was stolen is overshadowed by the cost of them being kept in prison.
With no prospect of getting any funds back.

Those people should be doing community supervised work as a payback.
Not be in prison.
Jobs like backroom work as to care, or things councils cannot get done, cleaning parks, cemeteries etc
If they've stolen from a company they could work in the grounds or do cleaning as a payback

There'd be no need for new prisons as it's already estimated by the new guy looking at this who has helped with loads of rehabilitation for prisoners.
He even says a third shouldn't be in prison in the first place anyhow.

In that case, that means over 28,000 people could be punished other ways out of prison.

Look at all the places that would then open up for really violence related and sexual crimes.
However too, the stress relief too to prison staff being able to cope with a much reduced prison population.
So they too are then retained in the prison service.

[Zizu]

yep, they are, but they are still getting rid of prison officers to cut costs


Great idea ..,not !!


I thought that Labour were going to bring intelligence, funding, common sense and everything else to the table ?


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[GoldHeart]

Thanks for the common sense compliment.:blush:

And you're probably right that they probably won't bring these policies forward, but one can only dream.:fc:

It's actually a good idea what you said, I'm always wondering why petty crimes get the focus ...whilst the more heinous grim crimes get a joke sentence .

I know it isn't always the case ,but the way I see it ....if someone has committed murder ,rape , paedophilila , acid attacks etc then they should NEVER EVER be released. They're beyond rehabilitation imo .

[Oliver_W]

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.

[joeysteele]

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.

I 100% agree.

[Beso]

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.

Can you differentiate for me, what is and isnt a non violent crime, so I can make a decision on your outlandish suggestion about who shouldn't ahouldnt be remanded into custody for the mideamenour that they've committed.

[Oliver_W]

Can you differentiate for me, what is and isnt a non violent crime, so I can make a decision on your outlandish suggestion about who shouldn't ahouldnt be remanded into custody for the mideamenour that they've committed.

Moving numbers around on a screen isn't violent, nor is having (NOT dealing) drugs.

[Zizu]

Plenty of people are in prison who shouldn't be. Remand should be shorter, and I don't think custodial sentences should even be implemented for nonviolent crimes.


Agreed

Violent/ sexual predators / paedos all get extremely harsh sentences


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[Beso]

Moving numbers around on a screen isn't violent, nor is having (NOT dealing) drugs.

They ain't crimes either.:shrug:

[Oliver_W]

They ain't crimes either.:shrug:

Fraud and other monetary crimes are ... crimes.

[Beso]

Fraud and other monetary crimes are ... crimes.

People who lose money through fraud and other monetary crimes can feel violated and as emotionally effected as someone who has been beaten for no reason.

[Oliver_W]

People who lose money through fraud and other monetary crimes can feel violated and as emotionally effected as someone who has been beaten for no reason.

And people can feel affected by reading words on a screen or hearing them aloud. But I'm sure you'd agree that feelings shouldn't be a decider when it comes to jail.

[Beso]

And people can feel affected by reading words on a screen or hearing them aloud. But I'm sure you'd agree that feelings shouldn't be a decider when it comes to jail.

I think the victims feelings should always be a factor when it comes to sentencing. Especially for pardons.

[Mystic Mock]

It's actually a good idea what you said, I'm always wondering why petty crimes get the focus ...whilst the more heinous grim crimes get a joke sentence .

I know it isn't always the case ,but the way I see it ....if someone has committed murder ,rape , paedophilila , acid attacks etc then they should NEVER EVER be released. They're beyond rehabilitation imo.

I 100% agree with you.

All of those crimes are showing that the individual that's committed any of them is a threat to society in some form or another, and we can't be letting them out on the streets.

[GoldHeart]

Also i remember not long ago a guy was so senselessly beaten/ punched in the head that he had to have part of his skull removed, and now has to wear a helmet constantly due to how fragile his head is...... he almost died and still might if he gets a blood clot or any type of pressure in his head. The nasty thug who assaulted him ..... is walking free and was seen grinning like a Cheshire cat on drugs. Absolute zero remorse , no doubt he'll probably do it again, as he thinks he can get away with it.


if you're a danger to society ... the key should be thrown away.


Crime involving theft, fraud etc should still be taken seriously aswell.

[Mystic Mock]

Also i remember not long ago a guy was so senselessly beaten/ punched in the head that he had to have part of his skull removed, and now has to wear a helmet constantly due to how fragile his head is...... he almost died and still might if he gets a blood clot or any type of pressure in his head. The nasty thug who assaulted him ..... is walking free and was seen grinning like a Cheshire cat on drugs. Absolute zero remorse , no doubt he'll probably do it again, as he thinks he can get away with it.


if you're a danger to society ... the key should be thrown away.


Crime involving theft, fraud etc should still be taken seriously aswell.

That crime sounds terrible, that guy's life will probably never be the same again.

And I agree with you that theft and fraud need to still be taken seriously, but maybe given an alternative punishment to Prison? I don't know what the alternative method should 100% be, but we need to make sure that the scum of our society are staying in Prison.

[GoldHeart]

That crime sounds terrible, that guy's life will probably never be the same again.

And I agree with you that theft and fraud need to still be taken seriously, but maybe given an alternative punishment to Prison? I don't know what the alternative method should 100% be, but we need to make sure that the scum of our society are staying in Prison.

I really felt sorry for him , he literally has to wear a helmet on his head daily as protection in case he causes further damage ... i just hope that crazy psycho doesn't find him again, it seemed like it was a completely unprovoked random attack aswell .


Maybe there should be some type of boot camp / gruelling community service for the fraudsters and thieves , this includes the ones who break into people's houses aswell... as that's another issue where police don't seem to do much , they just give out a silly 'incident number' :bored:.

I saw some satisfying videos on youtube of people taking matters into their own hands.... when it came to protecting their property.... against thieves and brainless crooks:smug: .

[Mystic Mock]

I really felt sorry for him , he literally has to wear a helmet on his head daily as protection in case he causes further damage ... i just hope that crazy psycho doesn't find him again, it seemed like it was a completely unprovoked random attack aswell .


Maybe there should be some type of boot camp / gruelling community service for the fraudsters and thieves , this includes the ones who break into people's houses aswell... as that's another issue where police don't seem to do much , they just give out a silly 'incident number' :bored:.

I saw some satisfying videos on youtube of people taking matters into their own hands.... when it came to protecting their property.... against thieves and brainless crooks:smug: .

I can't believe that the justice system would let someone like that back into society, when he has given someone permanent issues with their head.

Probably not the worst idea, as it's a punishment but it also keeps them away from the worst of the worst criminals, I like the idea personally.

And Vigilantism is going to increase when people feel like these people aren't going to face justice, so I'm not surprised that it's happening.

I'm also going to guess that the Vigilante stuff is a big ratings winner on YouTube.