Schools/Hospitals : 'Risk of Collapsing Concrete' Now Closing those buildings

[arista]

[Dozens of schools which
'could be at risk of collapsing'
are 'told to be ready to shut down
at short notice until they can be made safe'
Hundreds of schools were built with
reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete]


[Dozens of schools that could be at risk
of collapsing have reportedly been told they
could be forced to shut down at short
notice if they are not made safe.
Hundreds of schools across the country
were built with reinforced autoclaved aerated
concrete, known as RAAC, between
the 1960s and 1990s, with the buildings
having a life span of around 30 years.

The risk of the 'crumbly' concrete, that
has previously been likened to a
'chocolate Aero bar', has been known
for five years now, after a
primary school in Kent partially collapsed
but now chaos could be caused for
thousands of more youngsters]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12459245/Dozens-schools-risk-collapsing-told-ready-shut-short-notice-safe.html

Put up Portakabins

[arista]

Some Schools are now closing some buildings


https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/aug/31/english-schools-told-to-close-buildings-made-with-crumble-risk-concrete

https://news.sky.com/story/school-buildings-in-england-made-with-certain-type-of-concrete-forced-to-close-over-safety-fears-12951571


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[Cherie]

Honestly I have never known such incompetence, they had six weeks to shore up these builidngs and they wait until a few days before schools open to do this, shambles

[arista]

Yes, many Schools could stay Closed
next week.

[Education Secretary Gillian Keegan told reporters
that 156 schools had been identified as containing RAAC.]

Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete

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[arista]

At least No Children Died.

It is the Wrong time to close schools - just as they return.
But it appears some roofs could crash down on children.


Some Schools without this Dangerous (cheaper) Air filled Concrete
will be open as usual.

[Mystic Mock]

Honestly I have never known such incompetence, they had six weeks to shore up these builidngs and they wait until a few days before schools open to do this, shambles

It's some kids Birthdays and Christmas rolled into one.

Seriously though I agree with you, it sounds like a shambles.

[arista]

The problem they have
is funding, they may need money meant for Ukraine War


Political reporter Christopher Hope stated

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
reported 2 Hospitals in Wales
also have this dangerous concrete (RAAC)


Also, the Government
must do a Full List of Schools that have the danger.

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[Staff move furniture from Willowbrook
Mead Primary Academy in Leicester today,
which has been told to shut some buildings
because of safety fears]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12468987/Parents-devastated-100-schools-ordered-close-new-team-concrete-safety-concerns-pupils-facing-Covid-style-online-learning.html

[Oliver_W]

Going to RAAC and ruin.

[arista]

Yes The Metal rods inside the Cheapo concrete
goes Rusty, then it all falls down.

Chartered Surveyor, spoke live on Ch5HD AM 1st show.


Reports a School,
had a roof collapse
that started this panic.

[Zizu]

Yes The Metal rods inside the Cheapo concrete
goes Rusty, then it all falls down.

Chartered Surveyor, spoke live on Ch5HD AM 1st show.


Reports a School,
had a roof collapse
that started this panic.


Sky had a ‘concrete specialist’ on earlier and he was demonstrating that it was the actual concrete at fault … he was digging into the questionable stuff with a special tool .. it looked like he was digging into the plaster they put on walls rather than rock hard concrete


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[arista]

A court in Harrow
has had to close

Due to RAAC


SkyNewsHD reports 35 Scottish Schools
have had to close.

[arista]

Ch4HDnews Live
reports well over 100 schools
and worse the Government
does not have a total, yet.

Nick Gibb Education minister
said a School had a RAAC roof collapse this summer
in August,
They have not been told which school.

It will take until Mid-November
to give schools Portakabins

[arista]

Also on Ch4HDnews

Warren Thomas
Concrete Expert at Henderson Thomas Associates
He thinks the Government kept the truth
secret.

Buildings need urgent testing
by Professionals.

He even brought in real bits of RAAC
Into the studio.


Labour stated Nick Gibb was there in 2010
she said he cancelled the School Rebuild Program
set up by New Labour

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climate change

[arista]

This is Metal Rods going Rusty inside that
Cheap Nasty Concrete named RAAC

Then the Roof Crashes Down

[Crimson Dynamo]

brexit

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[arista]

On ITV1HD London News
last night,
one school had advanced warning.
St.Frances Catholic School in Ascot
has Marquees in a field ready for Monday.


The Government has no lists
or lists of schools that need checking

[AnnieK]

My son's school is affected. Its only the music block and so school as normal as the rest of the school doesnt have the RAAC

[arista]

My son's school is affected. Its only the music block and so school as normal as the rest of the school doesnt have the RAAC

That's good
just one building

[UserSince2005]

this all sounds quite fun, id have loved this as a kid. remember jungle run when you had to make it out before the concrete came down.

[arista]

BBC New Text :
[Sunday Times also focuses on the concrete issue,
tying it to its own campaign for the
phased removal of asbestos from
schools and hospitals.
It reports "scores of public buildings caught
up in the crumbing concrete crisis are also
likely to be riddled with deadly asbestos".]

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[Oliver_W]

Obese patients are being treated on the ground floor of a hospital because of fears that floors above them made of crumbling concrete could collapse.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/concrete-collapse-raac-hospital-obese-patients-b2403733.html

Shouldn't laugh, but :joker:

Imagine how that conversation must go!
"Sorry sir, but if you go above the ground floor, there's a very real chance you could crash through the ceiling. "

[arista]

Obese patients are being treated on the ground floor of a hospital because of fears that floors above them made of crumbling concrete could collapse.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/concrete-collapse-raac-hospital-obese-patients-b2403733.html

Shouldn't laugh, but :joker:

Imagine how that conversation must go!
"Sorry sir, but if you go above the ground floor, there's a very real chance you could crash through the ceiling. "

Yes terrible mess.

Meg Hiller MP
was on TV news talking about this

[arista]

New Labour Party Attack Tweet

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[arista]

Education Secretary Gillian Keegan MP
goes on Media interviews today.

Without funky music backing.

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Gillian Keegan
Education Secretary

Claims some schools have not given in
their survey................................

Ed Balls was trying to pin her down
Gillian told him, he was in the same job,
under his New Labour
doing the same inspection.

Like on SkyNewsHD & bbc1 AM
Keegan confirmed, "This Week"
at some time, she will release a list
of the schools.

GMBHD itv

[arista]

SkyNewsHD reporter
stated as they go into remove RAAC,
Asbestos could be released into the air

So Double, Costings to remove RAAC
and Asbestos.

[user104658]

They've known about this since the 90's, why the sudden rush? It's all a bit odd... the rhetoric is like they've just discovered it... which is simply not true.

[arista]

They've known about this since the 90's, why the sudden rush? It's all a bit odd... the rhetoric is like they've just discovered it... which is simply not true.


Yes
Live on LBC 10AM Show
he has pointed out Sunak said no to the
School Building Funding increase
when he was chancellor.


He is Attacking PM Sunak
as the root of this mess

[user104658]

I love the "It'll be fixed at any cost! Unless that cost is money."

[bots]

PM says it is "completely and utterly wrong" to blame him for school concrete crisis after criticism over budget cuts

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Squirming or what ....

[arista]

I love the "It'll be fixed at any cost! Unless that cost is money."


PM claims it is only 50 schools

Just a clip of him on BBC news

[user104658]

PM says it is "completely and utterly wrong" to blame him for school concrete crisis after criticism over budget cuts


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[arista]

On a ITV interview

Gillian Swore F*
A******


Just after the ITVnews interview

Swearing you know does anyone say
when you have done a good job


GBnewsHD played with a little bleep

[The Slim Reaper]

They've spent over £1billion fighting union pay increase over the last 18 months. Any amount of money is available when it comes to building floating asylum prisons or packing people off to Rwanda, but we just don't have any any when it comes to trying to keep your kids alive.

[user104658]

There's a conspiracy theory floating around that I half-believe that there's a long term plan to move a lot of learning online/remote, because of the quite obvious massive money savings there would be if schools didn't exist (or, say, were only open 2 or 3 days with the rest remote). So they're repeatedly creating "test data" to see how viable that is.

Somewhat tinfoil hat stuff, but I can see the reasoning.... I can see why they'd want it to happen. Especially with high-schoolers. Primary school is 50% daycare so that parents can work more, but I reckon the govt. would just expect older kids - say 14+ - to do their schoolin' from home while the parents still work.

[bots]

Education Secretary Gillian Keegan has been caught swearing on mic, to express frustration at a lack of gratitude for the handling of the school building crisis.

Having finished an interview with ITV, she swore as she asked "does anyone ever say you've done a good job because everyone else has sat on their arse and done nothing".

"Any sign of that, no?" she added.

A Downing Street source described the comments as "completely wrong".

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The tories are collapsing faster than the school ceilings

[user104658]

"does anyone ever say you've done a good job because everyone else has sat on their arse and done nothing".

"Any sign of that, no?"

:joker::joker::joker: Love it.

[arista]

The Education Secretary now Live in
Parliament.

She says 52 Schools
are being looked at it.

This week the List will be released


All Media

[Cherie]

They've known about this since the 90's, why the sudden rush? It's all a bit odd... the rhetoric is like they've just discovered it... which is simply not true.

Because the concrete has a lifespan so I guess time has caught up with them, why you would put concrete with a life span in buidlings that are meant to last for generations is beyond me, well its not, its all about doing it on the cheap, not so cheap now is it

[Cherie]

There's a conspiracy theory floating around that I half-believe that there's a long term plan to move a lot of learning online/remote, because of the quite obvious massive money savings there would be if schools didn't exist (or, say, were only open 2 or 3 days with the rest remote). So they're repeatedly creating "test data" to see how viable that is.

Somewhat tinfoil hat stuff, but I can see the reasoning.... I can see why they'd want it to happen. Especially with high-schoolers. Primary school is 50% daycare so that parents can work more, but I reckon the govt. would just expect older kids - say 14+ - to do their schoolin' from home while the parents still work.


Thats not going to fly with all the mental health issues lockdown gave kids and with half of them not bothering to show up online

Its just sheer incompetence that they havent kept up with the renovation programme, its not just schools this concrete was used in either

[bots]

i find the timing of it all pretty suspect. I tend to think that the government were completely unaware until someone decided to create some mischief.

It is surely the responsibility of local councils to keep their eye on such things. They are the ones that approve planning permission and building regs. So they would be the ones that would know the lifespan and be checking on it

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[bots]

someones getting sacked in the morning :laugh:

[arista]

Reported today Live on Headliners
Her Swearing was a "Stunt."
It was not live, it diverted the real story.


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It was Not Live.
It was a Stunt.

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Reported today Live on Headliners
Her Swearing was a "Stunt."
It was not live, it diverted the real story.
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It does feel slightly rehearsed in tone, to be honest.

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[arista]

Now a Orchard Theatre (Dartford)
has had to close.


It has RAAC in the Roof

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BBC News Text:
[The Mirror has splashed on a story concerning
the education minister's husband.
The paper claims a company Michael Keegan worked for
won a £1 million deal from the fund
for rebuilding schools.]

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[arista]

BBC reports 2 Schools in Wales
have had to close.

RAAC in the buildings

[arista]

Lists Now Published

[These include: 19 of them

Hornsey School for Girls
St William of York Catholic Primary School
Hatfield Peverel St Andrew's Junior School
Our Lady's Catholic High School
Outwoods Primary School
Hadleigh High School
East Bergholt High School Ark
Boulton Academy
Woodville Primary School
Water Lane Primary Academy
Cherry Tree Academy
Arthur Bugler Primary School
Claydon High School
Kingsdown School
Ferryhill School
St Teresa's Catholic Primary School
St Francis' Catholic Primary School
Buckhurst Hill Community Primary School
The Holy Family Catholic School, in Keighley]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-66727331

[The Slim Reaper]

Think it's starting to dawn on people that there is no difference between the 2 main parties.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Think it's starting to dawn on people that there is no difference between the 2 main parties.



and who has gone more towards the other?

[The Slim Reaper]

and who has gone more towards the other?

Obviously labour; basically copying everything the tories have done, but just promising to destroy the island in a more competent way and with a smile on their faces.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Obviously labour; basically copying everything the tories have done, but just promising to destroy the island in a more competent way and with a smile on their faces.

its the modern way

[The Slim Reaper]

its the modern way

You joining the socialist workers party with Arista and I?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You joining the socialist workers party with Arista and I?

im old enough to remember when Labour was the Socialist Workers Party

[The Slim Reaper]

im old enough to remember when Labour was the Socialist Workers Party

Most of the country is either fighting to prove they aren't like that anymore, or believe that they still are. Crazy times we live in.

People who call themselves socialists but openly support new new labours neoliberal austerity agenda, is sickening to me.

[The Slim Reaper]

The most dangerous man in Britain, just a few short years ago.

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When given the choice of a blue or a red tory, people choose the blue one most of the time.

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69% don't know says it all :joker:

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it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was an extremely low turnout at the next election, and then it's anyones guess who will win

[Crimson Dynamo]

Now they are saying that Man United's title hopes are made of raac

:omgno:

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[Mrs Keegan owns the £300,000 Costa del Sol villa with
her husband Michael (pictured right)]

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[arista]

Last night NewshightHD BBC2
A Head Teacher in charge of 3 Schools

6 Cabins will cost her £125,000 for 12 weeks hire

Asbestos will have to be slowly removed first.
(Costing Even more Cash) Not disclosed.

She does not know how to reclaim the money, yet.


Meg Hillier MP Labour Select Committee
was also there.
Claiming Labour will have trouble finding money for
schools re-build.

[user104658]

They found hundreds of billions - HUNDREDS of billions - for Covid. They can spend money if they want to spend money, it's that simple. It's not like a personal bank account, there isn't a literal "amount of money" that can run out. They have political reasons for not wanting to do so, but if they thought schools were important enough to spend billions on, they could spend billions on them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is it not the responsibility of the schools governors to look after their own schools estate? Why did they not know about this just like a roof leak etc?

[arista]

They found hundreds of billions - HUNDREDS of billions - for Covid. They can spend money if they want to spend money, it's that simple. It's not like a personal bank account, there isn't a literal "amount of money" that can run out. They have political reasons for not wanting to do so, but if they thought schools were important enough to spend billions on, they could spend billions on them.


Of Course, TS
but we all know they will not.


I even wonder if that head teacher
will get her money back for the rental
of those Temp Hire Cabins.

[user104658]

Is it not the responsibility of the schools governors to look after their own schools estate? Why did they not know about this just like a roof leak etc?

If 7 out of 10 of them were on the ball with it and a few weren't then you could put that down to individual failings. If none of them were aware of it and on the ball with it, that's a systemic failure, not a fail in individual governance.

I guess to keep it in school terms: if 25% of a class fails a test, then that 25% is struggling and messed up the test.

If the whole class fails the test then someone ****ed up with the teaching.

[bots]

Is it not the responsibility of the schools governors to look after their own schools estate? Why did they not know about this just like a roof leak etc?

its the responsibility of the local council, same as they are responsible for the safety of every other building in their district. I said earlier, its the council that sends inspectors out to approve building plans and materials. I can understand a cut in government funding stopping repairs etc happening, but standard inspections should catch whether a building is habitable or not, and that is the council

[arista]

Heathrow has RAAC
in Terminal 3.


Gatwick also has it

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BBC News Text:
[The Daily Mirror leads with comments from
Education Secretary Gillian Keegan,
who said on Tuesday that she met children
in one school affected by crumbling concrete
and they "actually preferred
to the classroom".
[B]The paper points out that it comes as the number of
schools hit by the issue grows to 174.]

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