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cZBTnJoNSmY
The woman in that short is spot on!
All that was missing from the plea was Gal Godot and co's rendition of Imagine. These f ing people!!
yeah, it's like comic relief, live aid and children in need etc. They all benefit from the exposure while expecting ordinary people to part with their cash
Redway
09-09-2023, 09:05 PM
Oh, dear.
Oprah when out there a few weeks back and handed out pillows, shampoo, blankets etc. It was filmed of course.
yeah, it's like comic relief, live aid and children in need etc. They all benefit from the exposure while expecting ordinary people to part with their cash
I'm sick of picking up mics, but here you go bots. Have yours back x
rusticgal
09-09-2023, 10:27 PM
cZBTnJoNSmY
The woman in that short is spot on!
All that was missing from the plea was Gal Godot and co's rendition of Imagine. These f ing people!!
Totally agree with her…just leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Totally agree with her…just leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Yeah, like some of the comments say, Oprah alone could donate $100m and it wouldn't affect her in the slightest.
rusticgal
09-09-2023, 10:41 PM
Who do these wealthy celebrities think they are?…do they think they make themselves look good reaching out to humble people who don’t have a pot to piss in to donate money or quit their jobs if it’s affecting their mental health whilst they sit in their million pound homes without a worry in the world….sickening.
Who do these wealthy celebrities think they are?…do they think they make themselves look good reaching out to humble people who don’t have a pot to piss in to donate money or quit their jobs if it’s affecting their mental health whilst they sit in their million pound homes without a worry in the world….sickening.
They've got to do something after the whole industry went on strike about pay.:joker:
Eh though, absolute fannies, the pair of them..
The worlds changing rustic, people are waking up to all this bull****. When you think about it, covid and the lockdown has shown us what the elite are really like...
I seriously and happily wouldnt watch one more film now in order for these control freaks to get their commupence..bloody in a bad mood now.:fist:
Twats.
arista
10-09-2023, 01:22 AM
If only the Rock could talk/
That Nice other lady
is right, maybe Oprah should start
with how they have added
their own cash first
user104658
11-09-2023, 11:05 AM
Who do these wealthy celebrities think they are?…do they think they make themselves look good reaching out to humble people who don’t have a pot to piss in to donate money or quit their jobs if it’s affecting their mental health whilst they sit in their million pound homes without a worry in the world….sickening.
Aren't you a crown-thumper Rustic? You have no issue with it when it's William and Kate tottering around Africa then coming back to the UK to belch about how humbling it all was and how the UK public should support their charities, whilst they wave from their gold-laden carriages. It's all gravy then, isn't it? But not for mudblood Hollywood celebs I suppose ... just inbred English toffs :joker:.
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 11:21 AM
Aren't you a crown-thumper Rustic? You have no issue with it when it's William and Kate tottering around Africa then coming back to the UK to belch about how humbling it all was and how the UK public should support their charities, whilst they wave from their gold-laden carriages. It's all gravy then, isn't it? But not for mudblood Hollywood celebs I suppose ... just inbred English toffs :joker:.
Never seen them begging the public for donations...The Royals dedicate a lot of their time visiting Countries, Cities and towns and meeting victims of all kinds that then highlight charities to help these people.
Quite a different scenario dont you think?...
user104658
11-09-2023, 11:44 AM
Never seen them begging the public for donations...The Royals dedicate a lot of their time visiting Countries, Cities and towns and meeting victims of all kinds that then highlight charities to help these people.
They highlight charities and literally run charitable trusts - these trusts operate on the basis of charitable donations from the public. What sort of charity work or work raising awareness is it that you think they're doing that doesn't, ultimately, ask that people open their purses and make a donation? Just because they do it in stately homes wearing tiaras doesn't make it any different. Smoke and mirrors. It is exactly the same thing dressed up in a fancy gown.
Not only that, but people are constantly beating the drum that this is one of the reasons they're valuable and we should keep them... their support of charities. Bowing and pawing at their charitable feet in any Royal thread on TiBB. But like I said... random Hollywood celebs doing the same thing and it's "Yuck, mudbloods, who do they think they are??". Pff.
Quite a different scenario dont you think?...
No.
Harry and Megan are more in line with celeb endorsements of charities. The royals are not so upfront as begging for money, and it's quite a bit different to call 05678900000 now and pledge all your available cash or be branded a heartless bastard
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 11:57 AM
They highlight charities and literally run charitable trusts - these trusts operate on the basis of charitable donations from the public. What sort of charity work or work raising awareness is it that you think they're doing that doesn't, ultimately, ask that people open their purses and make a donation? Just because they do it in stately homes wearing tiaras doesn't make it any different. Smoke and mirrors. It is exactly the same thing dressed up in a fancy gown.
Not only that, but people are constantly beating the drum that this is one of the reasons they're valuable and we should keep them... their support of charities. Bowing and pawing at their charitable feet in any Royal thread on TiBB. But like I said... random Hollywood celebs doing the same thing and it's "Yuck, mudbloods, who do they think they are??". Pff.
No.
As I said its completely different....two hollywood 'celebs' pleading for money in the comfort of their sprawling mansions compared to Royals who devote their lives to charitable work and representing the country....
There is simply no comparison.
user104658
11-09-2023, 12:02 PM
As I said its completely different....two hollywood 'celebs' pleading for money in the comfort of their sprawling mansions compared to Royals who devote their lives to charitable work and representing the country....
There is simply no comparison.
There's no comparison if you're a Royalist and give them "special status" - if you see them for what they are, there's a very obvious comparison.
user104658
11-09-2023, 12:04 PM
Harry and Megan are more in line with celeb endorsements of charities. The royals are not so upfront as begging for money, and it's quite a bit different to call 05678900000 now and pledge all your available cash or be branded a heartless bastard
Smoke and mirrors. You could whittle a carrot into a tiny Statue of David... if you then chop it up and boil it, it's still a bloody carrot.
Never seen them begging the public for donations...The Royals dedicate a lot of their time visiting Countries, Cities and towns and meeting victims of all kinds that then highlight charities to help these people.
Quite a different scenario dont you think?...
Totally.They spend their lives putting in the work,with many of their 3,000 a year engagements on behalf of their charities. Carried out, day after day, without the hoohaa. They don’t sit on their asses in their Palaces begging for money. There is simply NO comparison with publicity seeking celebs.
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 12:20 PM
There's no comparison if you're a Royalist and give them "special status" - if you see them for what they are, there's a very obvious comparison.
Perhaps if they had gone to Hawaii and paid homage to the victims...tried walking in their steps I would have a better perspective of them.
AND thats the difference....
user104658
11-09-2023, 12:29 PM
Yes the Royals know what it's like to walk in the shoes of the impoverished :joker:. You guys are a riot, literally "It's bad if it's anyone except the hyper-privileged hereditary elite". Forget brainwashed, brainscrubbed.
Niamh.
11-09-2023, 12:37 PM
Oprah and The Rock donated $10million of their own money as well as trying to raise money, the Rock spent part of his childhood in Hawaii and shares that Polynesian culture/background with him being from Samoa. I think he's got a right to be involved in fund raising for this cause. And it's honestly laughable how people are justifying the Royals charity work but scoff at these two doing something
Crimson Dynamo
11-09-2023, 12:37 PM
No surprise its that hag Winfrey
absolute horror show
Smoke and mirrors. You could whittle a carrot into a tiny Statue of David... if you then chop it up and boil it, it's still a bloody carrot.
by your definition everyone who mentions charity is as bad as Oprah and the rock, which is obviously not the case. I get you want to make an argument, but i am no royal fan, and there is a striking difference between the way royals handle charities and the way celebs do it and you are being disingenuous if you don't recognise that
Nicky91
11-09-2023, 12:40 PM
Perhaps if they had gone to Hawaii and paid homage to the victims...tried walking in their steps I would have a better perspective of them.
AND thats the difference....
what happened in Hawaii also happened in Greece, Canada this year though
if not for those wildfires, the Hawaiians have a pretty good life as it is a beautiful state, group of islands
and i'm not one to speculate on the cause of those wildfires, but i always firstly think of arson or accidental due to not being too responsible around BBQing
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 12:46 PM
Yes the Royals know what it's like to walk in the shoes of the impoverished :joker:. You guys are a riot, literally "It's bad if it's anyone except the hyper-privileged hereditary elite". Forget brainwashed, brainscrubbed.
Funny how you don't ever have this opinion on Harry and Meghan when they preach lifestyle to everyone as they sit in their millionaire pad...and Harry tells us to leave our jobs if we are unhappy...
Obviously the Royals dont know what its like to walk in their shoes but they visit and try to understand the devastation and see it with their own eyes...unfortunately your own eyes are not allowing you to see that.
The Slim Reaper
11-09-2023, 01:01 PM
Funny how you don't ever have this opinion on Harry and Meghan when they preach lifestyle to everyone as they sit in their millionaire pad...and Harry tells us to leave our jobs if we are unhappy...
Obviously the Royals dont know what its like to walk in their shoes but they visit and try to understand the devastation and see it with their own eyes...unfortunately your own eyes are not allowing you to see that.
Don't forget that time she touched her stomach when she was pregnant, Allegedly, of course. :laugh:
user104658
11-09-2023, 01:03 PM
by your definition everyone who mentions charity is as bad as Oprah and the rock, which is obviously not the case. I get you want to make an argument, but i am no royal fan, and there is a striking difference between the way royals handle charities and the way celebs do it and you are being disingenuous if you don't recognise that
Again - there's a difference between how a chef chops a carrot and how my 11 year old chops a carrot, but at the end of the day you're still eating carrots.
Your error here is mis-remembering anywhere that I said any of this is bad. I don't think it's "bad" that the Royals support charities (if they must exist, it's the least they can do) or that celebrities support charities. I find the methods of both ham-fisted but each to their own ... the Royal methods seem less "dignified and refined" once you see them for what they are (PR) but ultimately wherever/whenever money is getting where it needs to go, that's a positive.
So I don't think the Royals are "bad" for doing charity.
I don't think The Rock and Oprah are "bad" for doing charity.
...I just think they're exactly the same... and noted a very vocal Royal-fan being very critical of celebrity charity. Which is just sheer hypocrisy.
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 01:06 PM
Oprah and The Rock donated $10million of their own money as well as trying to raise money, the Rock spent part of his childhood in Hawaii and shares that Polynesian culture/background with him being from Samoa. I think he's got a right to be involved in fund raising for this cause. And it's honestly laughable how people are justifying the Royals charity work but scoff at these two doing something
Well good for them..
SB decided to bring the Royals into the equation...no one is Justifying the Royals Charity work because its part of what they do...trying to make a comparison is simply ridiculous.
user104658
11-09-2023, 01:07 PM
Funny how you don't ever have this opinion on Harry and Meghan when they preach lifestyle to everyone as they sit in their millionaire pad...and Harry tells us to leave our jobs if we are unhappy...
Obviously the Royals dont know what its like to walk in their shoes but they visit and try to understand the devastation and see it with their own eyes...unfortunately your own eyes are not allowing you to see that.
The fact that they go and see it with their own eyes and choose - yes, choose - to remain a part of the hyper-privileged and wealthy global elite and ride around in gold-adorned horse drawn carriages makes me dislike them all the more, not less. Imagine travelling the world and seeing real poverty, and then flying back to your literal palace and not entering deep existential crisis.
But they don't because they believe about themselves the same things that you believe about them;
That they're better, and deserve better, because they have superior blood.
It's gross as **** and the more I think about it the worse it gets.
user104658
11-09-2023, 01:08 PM
trying to make a comparison is simply ridiculous.
Again it's only ridiculous to you because you lavish them with special status;clearly, it's not ridiculous to compare "celebrities doing charity" with "other celebrities doing charity in fancier clothes".
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 01:09 PM
The fact that they go and see it with their own eyes and choose - yes, choose - to remain a part of the hyper-privileged and wealthy global elite and ride around in gold-adorned horse drawn carriages makes me dislike them all the more, not less. Imagine travelling the world and seeing real poverty, and then flying back to your literal palace and not entering deep existential crisis.
But they don't because they believe about themselves the same things that you believe about them;
That they're better, and deserve better, because they have superior blood.
It's gross as **** and the more I think about it the worse it gets.
Says he who defends Harry and Meghan to the hilt...:joker:
Niamh.
11-09-2023, 01:14 PM
Well good for them..
SB decided to bring the Royals into the equation...no one is Justifying the Royals Charity work because its part of what they do...trying to make a comparison is simply ridiculous.
That's not what you said originally though, you said it left a bad taste in your mouth but when the Royals do it it's fine.
The comparison seems pretty valid to me
user104658
11-09-2023, 01:15 PM
Says he who defends Harry and Meghan to the hilt...:joker:
That isn't even true, I pointed out Harry's privilege quite openly with the whole "people should leave jobs they're not happy in" thing. I agreed with him that people shouldn't just stick with their lot, but that it's not as simple as he made out and most normal people need to seek an alternative that pays the same or better and can't simply walk away.
Harry and Meghan at least, though, are just what they are - plain old celebrities. Yes with all of the wealth and privilege that can come with that. THe same privilege that people like Oprah and The Rock have. Like I said they're all the same - just celebrities.
The difference is - AGAIN - that they're not pretending to be something better than that, and they don't have a legion of people insisting the same thing. The Royal Family are just celebrities no better than any of the others mentioned. No better or different at all. It's a fairytale, an illusion.
Nicky91
11-09-2023, 01:16 PM
turning a Oprah and The Rock thread into a Harry & Meghan thread
https://media.tenor.com/dMygK5llMOcAAAAC/davonne-rogers-pretends-to-be-shocked.gif
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 01:33 PM
That's not what you said originally though, you said it left a bad taste in your mouth but when the Royals do it it's fine.
The comparison seems pretty valid to me
I was referring to their donation...nothing else.
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 01:33 PM
turning a Oprah and The Rock thread into a Harry & Meghan thread
https://media.tenor.com/dMygK5llMOcAAAAC/davonne-rogers-pretends-to-be-shocked.gif
Tell me about it...:laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
11-09-2023, 01:37 PM
turning a Oprah and The Rock thread into a Harry & Meghan thread
https://media.tenor.com/dMygK5llMOcAAAAC/davonne-rogers-pretends-to-be-shocked.gif
:joker:
Crimson Dynamo
11-09-2023, 01:38 PM
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Jordan.
11-09-2023, 01:40 PM
Tell me about it...:laugh:
Funny how you don't ever have this opinion on Harry and Meghan
Says he who defends Harry and Meghan to the hilt...:joker:
:huh:
Niamh.
11-09-2023, 01:54 PM
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It isn't a strawman though, it's a pretty fair comparison.
user104658
11-09-2023, 02:16 PM
It isn't a strawman though, it's a pretty fair comparison.
Even if it was a poor comparison it would have nothing to do with strawmanning... it's just something LT's heard other people use as a term and is (incorrectly) parrotting. :hehe:
Harry and Meghan at least, though, are just what they are - plain old celebrities. Yes with all of the wealth and privilege that can come with that. THe same privilege that people like Oprah and The Rock have. Like I said they're all the same - just celebrities.
While they present themselves as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their children as Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, (which they insisted upon) they don’t see themselves as just plain old celebrities and they have, and do, expect to be treated differently to those plain old celebs.
Otherwise they would be just plain old Harry and Meghan Windsor.
They wanted to be half in, half out; the status without the hard dreary work. They very much wanted to still be part of the Royal family. The Queen said you are either in or out and they have been trying to get their revenge ever since.
You can't abhor Royalty and support the titled, also privileged, lazy ones who rarely do darn all good for anybody.
user104658
11-09-2023, 02:43 PM
While they present themselves as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their children as Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, (which they insisted upon) they don’t see themselves as just plain old celebrities and they have, and do, expect to be treated differently to those plain old celebs.
Otherwise they would be just plain old Harry and Meghan Windsor.
They wanted to be half in, half out; the status without the hard dreary work. They very much wanted to still be part of the Royal family. The Queen said you are either in or out and they have been trying to get their revenge ever since.
You can't abhor Royalty and support the titled, also privileged, lazy ones who rarely do darn all good for anybody.
See now this, is a strawman argument:
I didn't mention Harry and Meghan in this thread or bring them into it to support them or otherwise, I didn't say they "do good charity", and I didn't say they aren't privileged, nor did I say that The Rock or Oprah aren't also privileged and very wealthy.
I drew a direct comparison between the active Royals and the Hollywood celebs mentioned in this thread to point out that they are the same, and to counter people criticising those celebs for charity work whilst lauding The Royals for their charity work. As I've said - it's the least that any of them can do, and if one wants to criticise wealth, privilege and supposed status, charitable appeals are not really an ideal place to start.
But instead of arguing against the idea that The Royals are inherently different to Hollywood celebrities in any meaningful way, multiple people have attempted to "defend the Royals" by bringing Harry and Meghan (the strawman, here) into it :shrug:. No one was talking about Harry and Meghan! I didn't say anything about them at all, supportive or otherwise!
Crimson Dynamo
11-09-2023, 02:43 PM
Aren't you a crown-thumper Rustic? You have no issue with it when it's William and Kate tottering around Africa then coming back to the UK to belch about how humbling it all was and how the UK public should support their charities, whilst they wave from their gold-laden carriages. It's all gravy then, isn't it? But not for mudblood Hollywood celebs I suppose ... just inbred English toffs :joker:.
https://i.imgflip.com/6qk5ij.jpg
user104658
11-09-2023, 02:47 PM
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:joker: :joker: Did it really take you half an hour to google Strawmanning and then find another logical fallacy that might fit?
I commend your commitment to your further education LT but as I've outlined 5 or 6 times that I draw no distinction whatsoever between Hollywood Celebrities and Royal Celebrities, and the thread is on the rights and wrongs of privilege and celebrity charity... I'm afraid Whataboutism doesn't fit either. Back to the drawing board.
Niamh.
11-09-2023, 02:48 PM
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It isn't changing the subject though, it's odd to support one set of millionaires trying to raise money for charities while admonishing another, it's the same thing
user104658
11-09-2023, 02:51 PM
Just to clarify: I don't think mentioning H&M is in itself a strawman OR whataboutism in this thread either. I think their charity work is exactly the same as their charity work when they were active Royals, and the same as the current active Royals, and the same as Oprah, and the same as The People's Champion.
So there you go. That's my opinion on Harry and Meghan's charitable activities. It is also exactly the same as these other examples. No better, no worse, no different.
I've strongly objected to all the charity fundraisers where people add their names to increase their own profile.
I object to all the day time adverts saying give x per month to help xxxxxx. I object to charity christmas cards where they give something like 1 penny to charity. I object to charities like oxfam that are still up and running when they have repeatedly raped and abused women overseas.
They all stink
See now this, is a strawman argument:
I didn't mention Harry and Meghan in this thread or bring them into it to support them or otherwise, I didn't say they "do good charity", and I didn't say they aren't privileged, nor did I say that The Rock or Oprah aren't also privileged and very wealthy.
I drew a direct comparison between the active Royals and the Hollywood celebs mentioned in this thread to point out that they are the same, and to counter people criticising those celebs for charity work whilst lauding The Royals for their charity work. As I've said - it's the least that any of them can do, and if one wants to criticise wealth, privilege and supposed status, charitable appeals are not really an ideal place to start.
But instead of arguing against the idea that The Royals are inherently different to Hollywood celebrities in any meaningful way, multiple people have attempted to "defend the Royals" by bringing Harry and Meghan (the strawman, here) into it :shrug:. No one was talking about Harry and Meghan! I didn't say anything about them at all, supportive or otherwise!
I don’t know or care who brought Meghan and Harry into it, I was referring to what you said in that particular paragraph about seeing them as just plain old celebrities. But you diverted by changing the subject.
Oliver_W
11-09-2023, 03:04 PM
by your definition everyone who mentions charity is as bad as Oprah and the rock, which is obviously not the case. I get you want to make an argument, but i am no royal fan, and there is a striking difference between the way royals handle charities and the way celebs do it and you are being disingenuous if you don't recognise that
People who were born into the jobs of charity ambassadors handle it differently to those who weren't?
How surprising.
yeah, it's like comic relief, live aid and children in need etc. They all benefit from the exposure while expecting ordinary people to part with their cash
As above plus he’s a bladdy pretend wrestler ffs
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rusticgal
11-09-2023, 05:15 PM
:huh:
Whats confused you little one :pat:
Jordan.
11-09-2023, 05:22 PM
Whats confused you little one :pat:
The part where you acted like Nicky's post wasn't about you.
rusticgal
11-09-2023, 06:16 PM
The part where you acted like Nicky's post wasn't about you.
I didn’t…I merely commented. You need to stop taking things out of context and looking for things that are not there..:hee:
Glenn.
11-09-2023, 06:17 PM
:joker: :joker: :joker:
user104658
14-09-2023, 08:39 AM
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That's mainly about Oprah to be fair go old Dwayne. He should still be cancelled though, but mainly because of Black Adam.
it's pretty damning of Oprah though :laugh:
When someone has had that volume of cash for so long, it is going to affect them and their view of the world
thesheriff443
14-09-2023, 09:04 AM
Oprah and The Rock donated $10million of their own money as well as trying to raise money, the Rock spent part of his childhood in Hawaii and shares that Polynesian culture/background with him being from Samoa. I think he's got a right to be involved in fund raising for this cause. And it's honestly laughable how people are justifying the Royals charity work but scoff at these two doing something
It’s like comparing chalk and cheese
The royals don’t get to spend their wealth
When William became the prince of wales, he became richer than his father the king
Royals work until they are in the ground as we saw with the late queen
Money gives you freedom to do and own what you want but with all the wealth the royals have it doesn’t give them that
user104658
14-09-2023, 12:37 PM
It’s like comparing chalk and cheese
The royals don’t get to spend their wealth
When William became the prince of wales, he became richer than his father the king
Royals work until they are in the ground as we saw with the late queen
Money gives you freedom to do and own what you want but with all the wealth the royals have it doesn’t give them that
The Royals have substantial individual personal wealth above and beyond the royal coffers. They don't spend it openly because it's bad PR. They absolutely have it.
thesheriff443
14-09-2023, 12:50 PM
The Royals have substantial individual personal wealth above and beyond the royal coffers. They don't spend it openly because it's bad PR. They absolutely have it.
For all the wealth and privileges they have,there is not one person on here that would trade places with them.
They don’t even get to retire like normal people
That's mainly about Oprah to be fair go old Dwayne. He should still be cancelled though, but mainly because of Black Adam.
Leaving the parasitic royals out of it for a moment, can you not see why people are fed up with the likes of Oprah and The Rock asking us regularly filth for money to help others when they're in a much, much better position to do so?
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