Epidemic of Shoplifting

[arista]

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BBC News Text:
[In its lead, the Daily Mirror reports
on an "epidemic of shoplifting",
the paper says it is demanding
"tougher laws". It goes on to quote
shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper,
who says:
"This kind of lawlessness is a disgrace."]

[Redway]

Pay people fairly, then. That would be a start.

[Oliver_W]

Pay people fairly, then. That would be a start.

On principle I agree but it depends on what sort of things are being stolen. The article says they're exploiting a loophole, not reacting to the rising costs of food.

[joeysteele]

I don't support shoplifting however I do think it needs qualifying as to what is taken.

However there's another shoplifting that infuriates me
That's when you've been in a store the previous day,shelves fully stacked even near closing, then you go in the next morning and some items still on the shelves have then had the price LIFTED by anything from 25p to even over 50p.
I can get that as to new stock but not already purchased currenr shelf stock.

Who is at times really robbing who?

[bots]

i think it's shoplifting on several levels

1. People that can't afford food for their families, which may have some justification

2. People that are just angry at business making money, when they dont have so much

3 Thieves

So, on balance, there is next to no justification for it

[Cherie]

shops are understaffed and their reliance on self service tills is coming back to bite them

[arista]

shops are understaffed and their reliance on self service tills is coming back to bite them


Yes, that's the problem,
They saved cash by having less staff

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Zizu]

Sky were saying most of the shop lifting thefts ( especially the more violent ones ) nowadays were connected to organised crime gangs


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[arista]

Sky were saying most of the shop lifting thefts ( especially the more violent ones ) nowadays were connected to organised crime gangs




Yes sadly some are
grabbing all the Meat
in a big bag


That's alot of monies worth



Police are not doing enough

[thesheriff443]

Some Tesco express stores have security on the door

[Zizu]

I’d employ thousands of new policemen and flood our towns and Cities


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[thesheriff443]

I’d employ thousands of new policemen and flood our towns and Cities


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It’s not that simple

Not enough court hours to hear cases
Not enough prison spaces

[user104658]

shops are understaffed and their reliance on self service tills is coming back to bite them

That's the thing though... if the loss in stolen items due to self checkouts is less than the saving of hiring far fewer checkout staff... then it's an absorbable cost and still a good business decision. TBH I assume most of the "big companies" consider a small amount of stock loss to theft to be effectively "wastage" (stock that gets broken in store, stock that goes out of date before being sold etc.).

Speaking of which and off topic but it's just reminded me - last week I bought a pack of Jaffa Cakes from a co-op and when we opened them, they were rock solid. I checked the best before date...

April! April 2023! 5 months out of date??

[Redway]

I’d employ thousands of new policemen and flood our towns and Cities


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It’s nowhere near that simple, Z.

[Zizu]

It’s nowhere near that simple, Z.


Oh I know .. but we can find millions overnight for PPP equipment or space research or any kind of war ( anybody’s) so why not for more Police to make our country safer


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[Redway]

Oh I know .. but we can find millions overnight for PPP equipment or space research or any kind of war ( anybody’s) so why not for more Police to make our country safer


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Yeah but how long is it going to take to train all those millions of new recruits? Why this and not knife-crime prevention?

[arista]

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[Livia]

Pay people fairly, then. That would be a start.

Do you have no sympathy for shop workers? For business owners? For all of us who will ultimately pay more as shops' insurances go up?

[Liam-]

The lowest living standards in decades, a cost of living crisis that is squeezing people to their absolute limits and shoplifting has spiked? Some might consider that a coincidence, I do not

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its copycat from the USA

nothing to do with "cost of living"

[Oliver_W]

Why this and not knife-crime prevention?

Through things like Stop & Search ?

[user104658]

Its copycat from the USA

nothing to do with "cost of living"

Yeah no one ever did no pilferin' over 'ere until we caught WOKEness from those blimmin' yanks!!

[user104658]

Through things like Stop & Search ?

The answer to reducing violent crime has always been in tackling social deprivation, not in "taking away the stuff folks do violence with".

[bots]

The answer to reducing violent crime has always been in tackling social deprivation, not in "taking away the stuff folks do violence with".

in that case, we may as well hand out guns to everyone :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

The answer to reducing violent crime has always been in tackling social deprivation, not in "taking away the stuff folks do violence with".

Ideally it'd be both, but which do you think is more likely to be implemented.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This issue started because of Prop 47 in California

spread via SM to multicultural UK cities

[user104658]

in that case, we may as well hand out guns to everyone :laugh:

It's not directly comparable - it's like the mass shootings phenomenon in the US. Yes, far too liberal gun control is what offers the means to cause so much destruction so easily, but guns are not the cause, the real root of the problem is cultural. If you banned guns in the US tomorrow it wouldn't end mass school attack incidents. You'd probably see a rise in IED's, etc.

[Redway]

Do you have no sympathy for shop workers? For business owners? For all of us who will ultimately pay more as shops' insurances go up?

I have every sympathy but a lot of this is symptomatic of a bigger problem. Maybe not the example of some middle-aged yob dude from Wrexham (or somewhere similarly horrible) necking white cider but the broader epidemic. Increasing rent and gas bills by the day but not wages to compensate when there’s money to fund Ukraine and Russia’s stand-offs really isn’t the one. IMO, anyway. I’d be more inclined to start there than blaming the Tories but this is just newspaper clickbait.

But I get where you’re coming from. I do.

[user104658]

Ideally it'd be both, but which do you think is more likely to be implemented.

It's a different question for both though. Social reform is unlikely to be implemented for political reasons, removing the weapons is impossible to implement for practical reasons. A ban on firearms is much easier: you can outright ban the sale of them, no one (at least most people) can't improvise one. You can't ban the sale of sharp objects, nor can you stop someone simply making a sharp object out of pretty much anything. And stop & search isn't even a half-way solution.

[arista]

Soon a group of shops
will have the new CCTV tacking system
that bleeps the security
once criminals enter

They will get dragged out of the store.
And Important, the next store is alerted

Stores that have Security Staff enabled