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He had a stroke, last year


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[Kazanne]

He wants to see his Grandchildren and make peace doesn't he ? I see nothing wrong with that

[Liam-]

What an awful father

[user104658]

He wants to see his Grandchildren and make peace doesn't he ? I see nothing wrong with that

****ed around and found out. If you want a good relationship with your kids and grandkids, you don't sell them out for your own ego (or cash).

[Glenn.]

****ed around and found out. If you want a good relationship with your kids and grandkids, you don't sell them out for your own ego (or cash).

This.

If it wasn’t for the fact it’s Meghan Markle no one would give a **** for the father. Hilarious how people can look past that kind of betrayal and blame her for it.

[joeysteele]

I avoid this topic like the plague almost now.
I'm fed up with all of them.

However if my Father and I had fallen out.
Which never ever could have happened.
However had he repeatedly gone on TV and the media, rubbishing my friends or partner if I'd had one, and even myself in a smaller way, then no way would that have made me warmer towards him.

He's coming across as much as a media attention seeker as his daughter is.
Possibly not that sincere either.

[Glenn.]

I avoid this topic like the plague almost now.
I'm fed up with all of them.

However if my Father and I had fallen out.
Which never ever could have happened.
However had he repeatedly gone on TV and the media, rubbishing my friends or partner if I'd had one, and even myself in a smaller way, then no way would that have made me warmer towards him.

He's coming across as much as a media attention seeker as his daughter is.
Possibly not that sincere either.

It’s funny, he does exactly what the haters say Meghan does but they fawn over him like a hurt puppy. Nasty Meghan for making her father sell stories about her.

[bots]

i don't get why he doesn't try and resolve things with his daughter outside of the media. Well, actually, i do get it, he is being paid which doesn't strike me as the way to do it if he were serious

[Crimson Dynamo]

Poor guy

[user104658]

Poor guy

:joker:

[arista]

i don't get why he doesn't try and resolve things with his daughter outside of the media. Well, actually, i do get it, he is being paid which doesn't strike me as the way to do it if he were serious


He has tried, he said.

[bots]

He has tried, he said.

then he should just give it time to resolve. Appearing on TV will not resolve anything

[Niamh.]

i don't get why he doesn't try and resolve things with his daughter outside of the media. Well, actually, i do get it, he is being paid which doesn't strike me as the way to do it if he were serious

Exactly. if his motivation is truly wanting to see his grandkids going to the media and talking about his daughter like that is certainly not the best way to achieve that ...........

[jet]

What has he actually said about Meghan that is bad? He says she isn't the daugther he knew, that's she's changed and he doesn't know what has happened. In his interviews he always says he loves her, he always will, he misses her.
He has tried to reach out, but she never answers his calls or texts, in fact I think he said a while again she (and Harry) changed their numbers.
Even when he had his stroke she completely ignored him, not even a 'get well soon' card.

[jet]

then he should just give it time to resolve. Appearing on TV will not resolve anything

He hasn't got time. He's elderly and ill.

[bots]

What has he actually said about Meghan that is bad? He says she isn't the daugther he knew, that's she's changed and he doesn't know what has happened. In his interviews he always says he loves her, he always will, he misses her.
He has tried to reach out, but she never answers his calls or texts, in fact I think he said a while again she (and Harry) changed their numbers.
Even when he had his stroke she completely ignored him, not even a 'get well soon' card.

that's none of our business though. Family relationships can break down for all sorts of reasons. You don't jump on the media if you are serious about resolving it. Particularly if they are paying to dish the dirt

[Niamh.]

that's none of our business though. Family relationships can break down for all sorts of reasons. You don't jump on the media if you are serious about resolving it. Particularly if they are paying to dish the dirt

Exactly and I don't believe for a second people genuinely believe that either. He also says that she influences Harry more than the other way around, firstly how does he even know that if he's not had contact with them, secondly that is a bad thing to say about your daughter especially when he knows it's fueling the already very negative press around her. Saying that he loves her out of the other side of his mouth doesn't cancel that out either. Also, people saying he "doesn't have time to wait around" Well I can guarantee him doing this **** is going to make it even less likely that they will have contact with him.

[user104658]

What has he actually said about Meghan that is bad? He says she isn't the daugther he knew, that's she's changed and he doesn't know what has happened. In his interviews he always says he loves her, he always will, he misses her.
He has tried to reach out, but she never answers his calls or texts, in fact I think he said a while again she (and Harry) changed their numbers.
Even when he had his stroke she completely ignored him, not even a 'get well soon' card.

He talked to the press about her and continued doing so after she repeatedly asked him to stop. We don't need to know anything more than that. It's their family, their business & Meghan's decision who she's in contact with (as is the case for all people).

[Liam-]

I think people need to wrap their heads around the fact that people don’t have an automatic right of access to their grandchildren, if you’re not in contact with your children for whatever reason (he’s not in contact with his daughter because he’s a money hungry fame *****, who can’t keep his mouth shut about her) if they keep their kids away from you, that’s their decision, if you can’t treat your children properly, you shouldn’t expect to have a relationship with their kids

[thesheriff443]

Exactly and I don't believe for a second people genuinely believe that either. He also says that she influences Harry more than the other way around, firstly how does he even know that if he's not had contact with them, secondly that is a bad thing to say about your daughter especially when he knows it's fueling the already very negative press around her. Saying that he loves her out of the other side of his mouth doesn't cancel that out either. Also, people saying he "doesn't have time to wait around" Well I can guarantee him doing this **** is going to make it even less likely that they will have contact with him.

That stance would be acceptable if Meghan hadn’t lied to harry and the world about her father and her childhood

He gave her the best of everything, but his truth didn’t fit with what she told harry to win his heart.

[user104658]

I think people need to wrap their heads around the fact that people don’t have an automatic right of access to their grandchildren, if you’re not in contact with your children for whatever reason (he’s not in contact with his daughter because he’s a money hungry fame *****, who can’t keep his mouth shut about her) if they keep their kids away from you, that’s their decision, if you can’t treat your children properly, you shouldn’t expect to have a relationship with their kids

I think perhaps seeing a lonely, dying man begging for scraps of contact with his family due entirely to his own past behaviours and actions hits a little too close on the anxieties of some people maybe. Easier to make it "not his fault", the evil daughter's wrongdoing, take some of the edges off those hooks, make it a bit easier to wriggle off of them.

[jet]

that's none of our business though. Family relationships can break down for all sorts of reasons. You don't jump on the media if you are serious about resolving it. Particularly if they are paying to dish the dirt

I don’t know about this interview as I’ve only seen the short clip, but in some other interviews it has been stressed that ‘Mr. Markle has received no payment’.
Doing interviews hasn’t been a wise thing to do at all, but it’s a bit ‘like father, like daughter’ when it comes to family relationships - only she lies and bad mouths in her interviews and documentary and receives many millions for her efforts. :shrug:

[user104658]

He gave her the best of everything, but his truth didn’t fit with what she told harry to win his heart.

That's strange Sheriff - I don't think either of them have ever mentioned having a lodger?

[user104658]

Doing interviews hasn’t been a wise thing to do at all, but it’s a bit ‘like father, like daughter’ when it comes to family relationships - only she lies and bad mouths in her interviews and documentary and receives many millions for her efforts. :shrug:

Even if this were true, the actual difference is that Meghan isn't saying "waaaah why won't they talk to me any more??" about the people she's talked about in interviews. THat's the only part of this that's really relevant. If he decided he's done with her and that he wants to do interviews about her (which I would find an odd decision for a father, but ultimately his choice) then fine. Go for it :shrug:.

It's that he's done that and now hes all sniffly about not getting to see his grandkids. He's thrown molotovs at the bridge. He's bloody napalmed it. And now he's weepy about it being permanent. I mean... it's just tough **** isn't it.

[Glenn.]

You’d think considering how much she craves media attention she’d answer back. :think:

[jet]

Mr. Markle was an ordinary elderly man living a quiet life when he was caught up in extraordinary circumstances. She had never even brought Harry to meet him, he was inundated with paps around his home and given no help.
He made the mistake of agreeing to be photographed doing tame things (with a photographer Meghan later used herself) and which didn’t seem to have been malicious, and for which he apologised for and he gets cut off....forever! Yes he has unwisely spoken about her to the media since out of frustration but that wasn't why he was cut off in the first place.

[Niamh.]

Mr. Markle was an ordinary elderly man living a quiet life when he was caught up in extraordinary circumstances. She had never even brought Harry to meet him, he was inundated with paps around his home and given no help.
He made the mistake of agreeing to be photographed doing tame things (with a photographer Meghan later used herself) and which didn’t seem to have been malicious, and for which he apologised for and he gets cut off....forever! Yes he has unwisely spoken about her to the media since out of frustration but that wasn't why he was cut off in the first place.

So he's never met Harry at all yet he's going on TV claiming to know that Meghan influences Harry more than the other way around? How does he know that if he's spent zero time with them?

[Glenn.]

I’m glad to see the support for Meghan on Twitter about this. Most of what I’ve seen is everyone calling her father out for yet another cash in.

If he was my father I’d be mortified. What an embarrassment

[jet]

So he's never met Harry at all yet he's going on TV claiming to know that Meghan influences Harry more than the other way around? How does he know that if he's spent zero time with them?

Telephone calls before their wedding day. It's in the acclaimed author Tom Bowers book.
But it's interesting that that's the thing you picked from my post to comment on.

[Glenn.]

So he's never met Harry at all yet he's going on TV claiming to know that Meghan influences Harry more than the other way around? How does he know that if he's spent zero time with them?

It doesn’t fit the narrative if he’s telling the truth because you’re right, he’s never met them :joker:

[Niamh.]

Telephone calls before their wedding day. It's in the acclaimed author Tom Bowers book.

So over the phone he was able to tell all that about their relationship? Do me a favour :laugh:

[jet]

In a 2014 Father's Day post (just 2 years before she zoned in on Harry) on her now-defunct blog, The Tig, Meghan wrote:

"I think of so many moments with my dad. Our club sandwich & fruit smoothie tradition post my tap & ballet class - classes, which by the way, he religiously took me to on Saturday mornings after working 75+ hours a week as a lighting director.
"The fishing trips along the Kern River and Big Bear Lake to catch catfish or trout and cook it up for dinner, and the commitment he made to lighting my high school musicals so that they felt as grand as a Broadway show.

"The blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town of Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up to have so much."
She went on to say that he helped turn her bathroom into a darkroom when she was 12 and "wanted to be a photographer", and put gas in her car so she could travel to auditions.

The post continued: "And that, right there, is the point: my dad taught me to find my light. And he taught me to always make my own box.
"To my dad – my thoughtful, inspiring, hardworking daddy – Happy Father’s Day. ‘If I had all the water in the world, I’d give all the water to you…’ (You won’t get that quote, but he will. And for Father’s Day, that’s all that matters)."
............
All that love and caring for her in her lifetime up to 2016 wiped out in one mistake and later frustration at being thrown out of her life for good. I think it was all just so unnecessary and very sad.

[jet]

That stance would be acceptable if Meghan hadn’t lied to harry and the world about her father and her childhood

He gave her the best of everything, but his truth didn’t fit with what she told harry to win his heart.

100% right sheriff. That is the at the heart of the whole sorry saga.

[The Slim Reaper]

How many people in relationships have had their hearts won by the origin stories of their partners? :laugh:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/KHpGXUSTzlUCDXWmFL/giphy.gif

[Niamh.]

In a 2014 Father's Day post (just 2 years before she zoned in on Harry) on her now-defunct blog, The Tig, Meghan wrote:

"I think of so many moments with my dad. Our club sandwich & fruit smoothie tradition post my tap & ballet class - classes, which by the way, he religiously took me to on Saturday mornings after working 75+ hours a week as a lighting director.
"The fishing trips along the Kern River and Big Bear Lake to catch catfish or trout and cook it up for dinner, and the commitment he made to lighting my high school musicals so that they felt as grand as a Broadway show.

"The blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town of Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up to have so much."
She went on to say that he helped turn her bathroom into a darkroom when she was 12 and "wanted to be a photographer", and put gas in her car so she could travel to auditions.

The post continued: "And that, right there, is the point: my dad taught me to find my light. And he taught me to always make my own box.
"To my dad – my thoughtful, inspiring, hardworking daddy – Happy Father’s Day. ‘If I had all the water in the world, I’d give all the water to you…’ (You won’t get that quote, but he will. And for Father’s Day, that’s all that matters)."
............
All that love and caring for her in her lifetime up to 2016 wiped out in one mistake and later frustration at being thrown out of her life for good. I think it was all just so unnecessary and very sad.

So what? It's literally nobody but Meghans choice whether or not she has contact with her father and the fact people think they have some sort of say over that is ridiculous. She's a grown woman with her own agency. People post all sorts of stupid **** on social media, a lot of it is for show, shock horror :laugh:

[Glenn.]

I mean he’s going the right way to rebuild his relationship with his daughter and grandchildren :joker:

Parasite

[jet]

So what? It's literally nobody but Meghans choice whether or not she has contact with her father and the fact people think they have some sort of say over that is ridiculous. She's a grown woman with her own agency. People post all sorts of stupid **** on social media, a lot of it is for show, shock horror :laugh:

You think that Fathers Day post was just stupid **** for show? Wow.

[Niamh.]

You think that Fathers Day post was just stupid **** for show? Wow.

"wow"? umm OK :laugh:

[user104658]

In a 2014 Father's Day post (just 2 years before she zoned in on Harry) on her now-defunct blog, The Tig, Meghan wrote:

"I think of so many moments with my dad. Our club sandwich & fruit smoothie tradition post my tap & ballet class - classes, which by the way, he religiously took me to on Saturday mornings after working 75+ hours a week as a lighting director.
"The fishing trips along the Kern River and Big Bear Lake to catch catfish or trout and cook it up for dinner, and the commitment he made to lighting my high school musicals so that they felt as grand as a Broadway show.

"The blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town of Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up to have so much."
She went on to say that he helped turn her bathroom into a darkroom when she was 12 and "wanted to be a photographer", and put gas in her car so she could travel to auditions.

The post continued: "And that, right there, is the point: my dad taught me to find my light. And he taught me to always make my own box.
"To my dad – my thoughtful, inspiring, hardworking daddy – Happy Father’s Day. ‘If I had all the water in the world, I’d give all the water to you…’ (You won’t get that quote, but he will. And for Father’s Day, that’s all that matters)."
............
All that love and caring for her in her lifetime up to 2016 wiped out in one mistake and later frustration at being thrown out of her life for good. I think it was all just so unnecessary and very sad.

Thinking you can possibly have any understanding of other people's family circumstances (ANYONE else, who is not your own family) is a ludicrous stance. These relationships are so impossibly complex and personal that it's just daft to even pretend that you have any sort of insight.

He's her father, she doesn't want him involved. You don't need to know anything else about it, whatsoever, or about anyone elses relationship with their parents either. Here's an exhaustive list of the parental relationships you get a say in:

1) Your own relationship with your parents.
2) Your own relationship with your kids.

That's literally it.

[jet]

the fact people think they have some sort of say over that is ridiculous.

So we shouldn't have an opinion on it? What about other celebs, can we have a say on them?

[Niamh.]

So we shouldn't have an opinion on it? What about other celebs, can we have a say on them?

You can have an opinion on whatever you want, you certainly don't get a say in any celebrity's relationships with their fathers though

[user104658]

So we shouldn't have an opinion on it? What about other celebs, can we have a say on them?

On their personal relationships with their parents? Sure you can have a say but it will be as meaningless as it is here, becausethe snippets of people's family life that are in the public eye are barely a snapshot of those relationships.

You do it with the Royals too though I guess - insisting on what William or other family members "must" think of Harry etc. when you of course, again, have absolutely no insight into their real relationship as brothers whatsoever.

All part of the weird possessiveness some people have about this family, I guess.

[jet]

You can have an opinion on whatever you want, you certainly don't get a say in any celebrity's relationships with their fathers though

How is my opinion on a forum 'having a say' in their relationship? I didn't realize I was talking directly to Meghan or her father and interfering in their relationship. Is it fine for those with the opposite stance to mine to have an opinion?

[jet]

"wow"? umm OK :laugh:

Yet you can 'have your say' by denigrating a loving post from Meghan to her father as 'it could be just stupid **** for show".

You were having your say about their relationship that it might not be as nice as her blog post suggested - with not one iota of proof in it to go on.

[Niamh.]

How is my opinion on a forum 'having a say' in their relationship? I didn't realize I was talking directly to Meghan or her father and interfering in their relationship. Is it fine for those with the opposite stance to mine to have an opinion?

Yet you can 'have your say' by denigrating a loving post from Meghan to her father as 'it could be just stupid **** for show".

You were having your say about their relationship that it might not be as nice as her blog post suggested - with not one iota of proof in it to go on.

Calm down Jet, everyone can have an opinion over whatever they want :laugh: You misunderstood my post that you quoted, no you chopped the sentence in half and misrepresented what I said, this was my full sentence :

It's literally nobody but Meghans choice whether or not she has contact with her father and the fact people think they have some sort of say over that is ridiculous.

Clearly what i meant here was people think they have a say in whether or not Meghan has a relationship with her father, I mean it's not even that confusing I would have thought. I didn't mean a say as in an opinion if you were confused though.

[bots]

i definitely see the enemy of my enemy is my friend going on here, because under any other circumstance the father would universally be called a knob

[jet]

Calm down Jet, everyone can have an opinion over whatever they want :laugh: You misunderstood my post that you quoted, no you chopped the sentence in half and misrepresented what I said, this was my full sentence :

It's literally nobody but Meghans choice whether or not she has contact with her father and the fact people think they have some sort of say over that is ridiculous.

Clearly what i meant here was people think they have a say in whether or not Meghan has a relationship with her father, I mean it's not even that confusing I would have thought. I didn't mean a say as in an opinion if you were confused though.

I'm perfectly calm, thanks, and I'm not confused.
Same thing. People give their opinions on whether or not Meghan has a relationship with her father, for or against. That is not 'having a say', which would mean we would personally influence the outcome by direct involvement.

[Glenn.]

I'm perfectly calm, thanks, and I'm not confused.
Same thing. People give their opinions on whether or not Meghan has a relationship with her father, for or against. That is not 'having a say', which would mean we would personally influence the outcome by direct involvement.

I think what people mean is that you put your opinion across as fact

[Niamh.]

I'm perfectly calm, thanks, and I'm not confused.
Same thing. People give their opinions on whether or not Meghan has a relationship with her father, for or against. That is not 'having a say', which would mean we would personally influence the outcome by direct involvement.

In the context of my sentence it's clearly what I meant when I said it though so don't accuse me of something I haven't said - that you're not allowed an opinion :shrug:

[Niamh.]

i definitely see the enemy of my enemy is my friend going on here, because under any other circumstance the father would universally be called a knob

Absolutely agree

[Niamh.]

Telephone calls before their wedding day. It's in the acclaimed author Tom Bowers book.
But it's interesting that that's the thing you picked from my post to comment on.

Just saw the edit you made to this post after I'd replied already.

You think it's interesting that that's the thing I picked from your post? Why? It was the only thing that was relevant to this thread for me because it completely destroys his claim that's quoted in the Twitter link :

'I think she has influence on Harry more than he does on her'

Hope that helps.

[Oliver_W]

In a 2014 Father's Day post (just 2 years before she zoned in on Harry) on her now-defunct blog, The Tig, Meghan wrote:

"I think of so many moments with my dad. Our club sandwich & fruit smoothie tradition post my tap & ballet class - classes, which by the way, he religiously took me to on Saturday mornings after working 75+ hours a week as a lighting director.
"The fishing trips along the Kern River and Big Bear Lake to catch catfish or trout and cook it up for dinner, and the commitment he made to lighting my high school musicals so that they felt as grand as a Broadway show.

"The blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town of Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up to have so much."
She went on to say that he helped turn her bathroom into a darkroom when she was 12 and "wanted to be a photographer", and put gas in her car so she could travel to auditions.

The post continued: "And that, right there, is the point: my dad taught me to find my light. And he taught me to always make my own box.
"To my dad – my thoughtful, inspiring, hardworking daddy – Happy Father’s Day. ‘If I had all the water in the world, I’d give all the water to you…’ (You won’t get that quote, but he will. And for Father’s Day, that’s all that matters)."
............
All that love and caring for her in her lifetime up to 2016 wiped out in one mistake and later frustration at being thrown out of her life for good. I think it was all just so unnecessary and very sad.
Maybe she was caught up in emotions when she wrote that post, and she might have meant it at that time but not really before or after.

Or maybe it was ghostwritten by someone drawing from biographical details of her life to make it have verisimilitude.

Or maybe she was extending an olive branch because she wanted to reconnect.

Or maybe it was nearly a decade ago, and has nothing to do with her current circumstances?

[jet]

i definitely see the enemy of my enemy is my friend going on here, because under any other circumstance the father would universally be called a knob

Literally nobody has said Mr.Markle is right to give interviews. I have clearly said he was unwise to do so, but I get his frustration at the complete cutting off and especially when he was seriously ill and not even a ‘get well soon’ card came his way.
There are people here who never utter a bad word about Meghan giving interviews about family relationships in which she bad -mouths them and tells a pack of lies - and makes many millions doing it.
The hypocrisy and cold - heartedness is staggering.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/09/18/09/75548717-12530379-image-a-1_1695025833113.jpg
He is aged, 79


Heart attack last year

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/09/18/09/75546841-12530379-Prince_Harry_Duke_of_Sussex_and_Meghan_Duchess_of_ Sussex_are_see-a-4_1695025865502.jpg

In Germany

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/07/00/70677311-12055143-image-a-64_1683417436068.jpg

Last Year.


[Meghan Markle's father Thomas Snr
(middle with son Tom Jr,right, and daughter Samantha, left),
who stayed up all night to watch the ceremony
on TV at his home in Rosarito, Mexico]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12530379/Meghan-Markles-father-Thomas-Markle-wants-reconciliation.html

[bots]

Literally nobody has said Mr.Markle is right to give interviews. I have clearly said he was unwise to do so, but I get his frustration at the complete cutting off and especially when he was seriously ill and not even a ‘get well soon’ card came his way.
There are people here who never utter a bad word about Meghan giving interviews about family relationships in which she bad -mouths them and tells a pack of lies - and makes many millions doing it.
The hypocrisy and cold - heartedness is staggering.

this is about her Dad airing dirty laundry in public. I dont think there will be a kid in the land that wouldn't be absolutely mortified if a parent did that to them.


This isn't about, well so and so did something in the past. This is now, today .... and the guy is a knob

[Swan]

this is about her Dad airing dirty laundry in public. I dont think there will be a kid in the land that wouldn't be absolutely mortified if a parent did that to them.


This isn't about, well so and so did something in the past. This is now, today .... and the guy is a knob

Just wanna jump in and say that this is exactly the same thing Harry and Meghan did with Harry's family. They even went on a book tour with it. And on the biggest tv host in US history.

So for those of you rightly slating her father here, same could be said for her and Harry slating his lot in a very public manner, no?

[jet]

this is about her Dad airing dirty laundry in public. I dont think there will be a kid in the land that wouldn't be absolutely mortified if a parent did that to them.


This isn't about, well so and so did something in the past. This is now, today .... and the guy is a knob

If Meghan found it so mortifying, she could have stopped it long ago by going to see him and talking things through. Bringing baby Archie to see him would have been a great ice breaker. But it is obviously working to her advantage, so why would she? :whistle:

[user104658]

Just wanna jump in and say that this is exactly the same thing Harry and Meghan did with Harry's family. They even went on a book tour with it. And on the biggest tv host in US history.

So for those of you rightly slating her father here, same could be said for her and Harry slating his lot in a very public manner, no?

As I said before - the difference is in the expectation afterwards. He can do what he wants, they can do what they want, we can all have our opinions on those things.

The issue is that Mr Markle then gets weepy about them not wanting him in their lives.

In fact - in a hilarious and yet entirely predictable irony - the same people who think it's "terrible" that Meghan won't talk to her dad get practically furious at the idea that Harry and his family might ever build bridges and insist that he should be "left out in the cold" :laugh:.

Again on that I'd just say, I have no feelings one way or the other on whether Charles, William and co should be willing to have a relationship with Harry and his family other than to say that that is entirely up to them.

[user104658]

If Meghan found it so mortifying, she could have stopped it long ago by going to see him and talking things through. Bringing baby Archie to see him would have been a great ice breaker. But it is obviously working to her advantage, so why would she? :whistle:

"If you come and see me I'll stop going to the press" is 100% a reason to not go and see him. It's manipulation to the point of basically being blackmail. And if you let someone extort you once, they'll use the same tactic again, guaranteed.

[The Slim Reaper]

:joker:

[jet]

"If you come and see me I'll stop going to the press" is 100% a reason to not go and see him. It's manipulation to the point of basically being blackmail. And if you let someone extort you once, they'll use the same tactic again, guaranteed.

In this case - BS.

[Swan]

As I said before - the difference is in the expectation afterwards. He can do what he wants, they can do what they want, we can all have our opinions on those things.

The issue is that Mr Markle then gets weepy about them not wanting him in their lives.

In fact - in a hilarious and yet entirely predictable irony - the same people who think it's "terrible" that Meghan won't talk to her dad get practically furious at the idea that Harry and his family might ever build bridges and insist that he should be "left out in the cold" :laugh:.

Again on that I'd just say, I have no feelings one way or the other on whether Charles, William and co should be willing to have a relationship with Harry and his family other than to say that that is entirely up to them.

No, it's the exact same thing, H/M, Thomas Markle, slating their families in a public space in order to profit financially . No matter how you try and wrap it up, it's essentially the same thing.

[user104658]

No, it's the exact same thing, H/M, Thomas Markle, slating their families in a public space in order to profit financially . No matter how you try and wrap it up, it's essentially the same thing.

But the issue that's being discussed is Thomas Markle's weepy wee face now because he feels entitled to still have contact with them/see his grandkids.

When Harry and Meghan are in the press saying "Boo hoo we're so sad that we don't get to see Charles and William at Christmas" then you might have a point. But there are zero examples of anything like that. They've made it crystal clear that they know what they're doing and that the relationships might never be salvageable.

So here's the similarity: They've both made the decision to burn bridges with their family.

Here's the difference: Thomas Markle is now stood next to the burned bridge, crying and stamping his feet, insisting that his daughter should whittle him a ladder to climb back across.

And again literally the ONLY facts of any relevance: the choice of whether or not she wants to do that is hers and hers alone, and any sensible adult needs to accept that we have no idea of the ins and outs of any of their family relationships.

[jet]

The thing is, too, Meghan isn’t an ill old woman who the Royals cast out because she made one mistake….and the Royals didn’t cut them off after all the bad mouthing and lying she and Harry were continuously doing.
They continued to be invited to Royal occasions like the Jubilee, the funerals and the Coronation etc. The Queen even invited them to visit her at Balmoral , which they declined. Her lady in waiting said she wanted to get to the bottom of why they were doing all that, and talk it through with kindness, even though she dreaded any sort of confrontation happening. That’s the difference between making an effort even though you are deeply hurt at the betrayal and being cold hearted and callous.

[Cherie]

Just wanna jump in and say that this is exactly the same thing Harry and Meghan did with Harry's family. They even went on a book tour with it. And on the biggest tv host in US history.

So for those of you rightly slating her father here, same could be said for her and Harry slating his lot in a very public manner, no?

Great point :laugh:

My take on it is he does not have any way to contact her and this is his way of doing so

They told us to be kind....Im not sure her father has committed any majorly henious crime against them when they cut him off, after all he was due to walk her down the aisle,they gave him zero protection or coaching on how to deal with the paps, and I blame the palace for that as well, also the fact that the first time he would have met Harry would have been at their wedding is pretty odd even for the Royals

[user104658]

The thing is, too, Meghan isn’t an ill old woman who the Royals cast out because she made one mistake….and the Royals didn’t cut them off after all the bad mouthing and lying she and Harry were continuously doing.
They continued to be invited to Royal occasions like the Jubilee, the funerals and the Coronation etc. The Queen even invited them to visit her at Balmoral , which they declined. Her lady in waiting said she wanted to get to the bottom of why they were doing all that, and talk it through with kindness, even though she dreaded any sort of confrontation happening. That’s the difference between making an effort even though you are deeply hurt at the betrayal and being cold hearted and callous.

None of this changes the fact that you have no idea about the ins and outs of their personal relationship, nor that whether or not someone wants to make an effort to build bridges with their family is entirely their business and their decision. There's no right or wrong answer here: it just has absolutely nothing to do with anyone but them, and no one's opinion on the matter is worth anything at all other than those involved.

That's why it's "baffling" that he keeps going to the press. Why? He could get the whole world on his side and it doesn't matter, it's still her choice if she wants to talk to her dad.

I feel like there's some sort of underlying frustration about this from some people. Like there should be some way around it or some sort of duty/expectation/"rules" around how people choose to engage with their families.

There just aren't.

[user104658]

My take on it is he does not have any way to contact her and this is his way of doing so

"I don't have any way to get in contact to improve the relationship, so I'll do it by doing the exact thing that caused the rift in the first place, that's bound to work!"

:laugh: pull the other one Cherie, you can't possibly believe that!

[Oliver_W]

Does Meghan even lie?

I know she exaggerates etc, but she's hardly Jack Monroe.

[Cherie]

"I don't have any way to get in contact to improve the relationship, so I'll do it by doing the exact thing that caused the rift in the first place, that's bound to work!"

:laugh: pull the other one Cherie, you can't possibly believe that!

Well he doesn't have a phone number and maybe he has written letters and they have not responded so he is just plugging away.... we dont know what his state of mind is, he has had a stroke, its very easy to pontifcate from the sidelines sometimes when you are in the middle of something you cant see the wood for the trees


They told us all to be kind....obviously doenst apply to her :nono:

[Cherie]

Does Meghan even lie?

I know she exaggerates etc, but she's hardly Jack Monroe.

she barefaced lied in court :facepalm:

[Oliver_W]

she barefaced lied in court :facepalm:

Fine. I didn't know that :laugh:

[AnnieK]

If you met my Nan before she passed, you would think she was the nicest, sweetest old lady ever. However, as I sat with my dying mum she did something that I found unforgivable. I never told anyone (not even my Dad or brother) what it was, but I never spoke to her again. She passed without me seeing her after my mum's funeral, everyone thought I was an awful human but I couldn't forgive what she did. Now, prior to this incident I had a great relationship so if I had had a blog, I could have written a gushing post about her. As has been said, we don't know what has been said but the fact maghan wrote a blog piece years ago doesnt mean the relationship didn't fracture afterwards. Family relationships can be toxic, but should remain behind closed doors......that goes for Thomas and Harry and Meghan

[Cherie]

There is an assumption that he is playing with the full deck as well, I dont think that is the case

[jet]

Well, he obviously hadn’t done anything awful enough for her to not want to speak to him again and cut him off at the time of her wedding - as she was speaking to him and he was to walk her down the aisle.

When asked in the Netflix docu about the estrangement from her father, she said it was all to do with the pap photos. :shrug:

[Cherie]

Well, he obviously hadn’t done anything awful enough for her to not want to speak to him again and cut him off at the time of her wedding - as she was speaking to him and he was to walk her down the aisle.

When asked in the Netflix docu about the estrangement from her father, she said it was all to do with the pap photos. :shrug:


Hardly the crime of the Century, he was pictured in his suit or something? Anyone would think he had insulted Phil and Liz or kicked one of the pageboys around Windsor :laugh:

[jet]

There is an assumption that he is playing with the full deck as well, I dont think that is the case

I agree. 2 heart attacks, a stroke, 80 next year. Daughter cut him off. Grandkids he has never met but yearns to see.

It's a lot.

[AnnieK]

It could have been the straw that broke the camels back though......certainly what I found unforgivable that my nan did was more to do with the timing....and a build up of stress of surrounding circumstances. Without being privy to everything its difficult to say. As I said, I had family members saying awful stuff to me about cutting my nan off, but I stand by it. Even my mum probably would have told me to let it go

[bots]

there is no divine right to see are speak to anyone. Some people seem to be incapable of understanding that, but it's true none the less. It's not even nasty or depriving someone if that is the path someone chooses. You cannot force yourself on anyone and legally, the father better pipe down or he is going to be in a bit of bother

[Cherie]

there is no divine right to see are speak to anyone. Some people seem to be incapable of understanding that, but it's true none the less. It's not even nasty or depriving someone if that is the path someone chooses. You cannot force yourself on anyone and legally, the father better pipe down or he is going to be in a bit of bother

It doesnt bother me, what bothers me is their preachy ...be kind sermons ....do what you like but stop lecturing the rest of us

[Cherie]

It could have been the straw that broke the camels back though......certainly what I found unforgivable that my nan did was more to do with the timing....and a build up of stress of surrounding circumstances. Without being privy to everything its difficult to say. As I said, I had family members saying awful stuff to me about cutting my nan off, but I stand by it. Even my mum probably would have told me to let it go

Dont you think its a bit odd that Harry has never met him? its not like Harry didnt have the way and the means to fly to Mexico...its all very strange

[bots]

It doesnt bother me, what bothers me is their preachy ...be kind sermons ....do what you like but stop lecturing the rest of us

oh, i don't think M&H have behaved well at all over this whole thing, but it doesn't change realities. If it were me being cut off, i would just say **** em, their loss, and move on with my life

[thesheriff443]

Dont you think its a bit odd that Harry has never met him? its not like Harry didnt have the way and the means to fly to Mexico...its all very strange

She told harry she had a bad childhood, she was a poor girl
The streets she lived on were violent

All lies so harry couldn’t meet her dad who would of told him the complete opposite

Remember she had to climb through the boot of her car bec the door didn’t work

[jet]

Remember Harry on the radio programme when they were dating telling us that Meghan was going to be spending Xmas at Balmoral and his family would be like “the family she never had"?

Broadcasting what she had told him to all and sundry. Awful for any family to hear.

[thesheriff443]

Remember Harry on the radio programme when they were dating telling us that Meghan was going to be spending Xmas at Balmoral and his family would be like “the family she never had"?

Broadcasting what she had told him to all and sundry. Awful for any family to hear.

She played harry like a fiddle
Just wanted to know if he was nice
Said she knew nothing about the royals but read the books on Diana

[jet]

She played harry like a fiddle
Just wanted to know if he was nice
Said she knew nothing about the royals but read the books on Diana

Yes, she said this in her engagement interview - yet she had previously gotten Markus Anderson, a consultant for elite members-only club Soho House to introduce her to Princess Eugenie, and was seen partying with her and her ‘set’ for months before she finally wangled a date with Harry. Which was the object. People don’t know the half of it, or pretend they don't ….:laugh:

[rusticgal]

I don’t think Mr Markle has done himself any favours….but maybe it’s his way of reaching out if she doesn’t take his calls or reply to letters etc. He never did anything bad…so what if he sold a story on her…he didn’t make any criticism of her :shrug:. I think Meghan being the social climber she is, found her father not quite fitting the ‘image’ on her social scene…nor did having this slightly unkempt man walk her down the aisle in front of the whole world was not the image she wanted…whereas her mother portrayed the ‘right’ image, looking classy and demure…snobbery at its best.
Her decision to sit with Oprah and tell 14 ‘mis-truths about her short time with her husbands family with the only intention to make them look bad and throw herself in the spotlight…compared to what her father has done…is a different level.
Meghan is his daughter, her children his grandchildren….why wouldn’t he want to see them :shrug:

[Glenn.]

“So what if he sold a story on her”

Jesus

[Liam-]

Any parent that takes advantage of a media firestorm, to earn a quick buck by selling stories about their child and continuously slagging her off on tv, should be ashamed of themselves, it’s not how a decent parent acts

[Glenn.]

…but it’s ok for Meghan :laugh:….what a hypocrite you are :smug:

Not only did she sell her story…she lied and lied to up her profile and grab the headlines.

Wouldn’t you have a problem with her father, as you say, doing the same thing though?

Meghan sells stories bad, her father sells stories good.

[Glenn.]

It’s just obviously ok for her father to do it because it goes against Meghan.

[Glenn.]

:joker:

Literally what the anti Meghan lot are though no?

If they dont want to be called haters, don’t hate on a woman :joker:

Again, fact.

[Swan]

Wouldn’t you have a problem with her father, as you say, doing the same thing though?

Meghan sells stories bad, her father sells stories good.

I think both are bad for selling their stories like they do, Meghan and her father. Do you think both are bad too, or just her father? Because if you think just her father then you're massively contradicting yourself. It would like unto "father sells stories bad, Meghan sells stories good".

[Jordan.]

A father betraying his daughter for no reason other than money is far worse than someone complaining about their extended family after a disagreement.

[Mystic Mock]

He wants to see his Grandchildren and make peace doesn't he ? I see nothing wrong with that

Why doesn't Meghan want him to see them though?

Obviously I don't mean it in a sinister way like that, but we don't know if he was a terrible Father to Meghan.

Or tbf maybe she is being a bitch to him, but I feel like none of us know their dynamic personally.

[Mystic Mock]

****ed around and found out. If you want a good relationship with your kids and grandkids, you don't sell them out for your own ego (or cash).

What did the Father do?

[Mystic Mock]

If Meghan found it so mortifying, she could have stopped it long ago by going to see him and talking things through. Bringing baby Archie to see him would have been a great ice breaker. But it is obviously working to her advantage, so why would she? :whistle:

You do realise that you're saying that Meghan should make the effort to fix her relationship with her Father, when it's the Father that's badmouthing her right? Why shouldn't he be trying to make amends with Meghan?

Or how about if they don't like each other just leave them both to it?

[Mystic Mock]

Just wanna jump in and say that this is exactly the same thing Harry and Meghan did with Harry's family. They even went on a book tour with it. And on the biggest tv host in US history.

So for those of you rightly slating her father here, same could be said for her and Harry slating his lot in a very public manner, no?

It's a fair point with Harry as it's his family.

The same can be said for William too when he got one of his servants to spread negative gossip about H&M.

Common sense dictates that if you want a good relationship with your family, don't badmouth them to the scummy Media.

[Mystic Mock]

Well he doesn't have a phone number and maybe he has written letters and they have not responded so he is just plugging away.... we dont know what his state of mind is, he has had a stroke, its very easy to pontifcate from the sidelines sometimes when you are in the middle of something you cant see the wood for the trees


They told us all to be kind....obviously doenst apply to her :nono:

Be kind shouldn't mean be fake though.

[jet]

You do realise that you're saying that Meghan should make the effort to fix her relationship with her Father, when it's the Father that's badmouthing her right? Why shouldn't he be trying to make amends with Meghan?


Hi Mock, I’ll repeat my post from earlier today.
Mr. Markle was an ordinary elderly man living a quiet life when he was caught up in extraordinary circumstances. She had never even brought Harry to meet him, he was inundated with paps around his home and given no help.
He made the mistake of agreeing to be photographed doing tame things with a photographer Meghan later used herself) and which didn’t seem to have been malicious, and for which he apologised for and he gets cut off....forever! Yes he has unwisely spoken about her to the media since out of frustration but that wasn't why he was cut off in the first place.

The reason he has given interviews is to plead with her to get in touch and let him see his grandchildren because she has refused to take any of his calls or answer his texts or letters. This hasn’t helped his cause. He hasn’t said anything awful about her, but he can’t understand why a previously loving daughter has changed so much towards him.

[Mystic Mock]

Hi Mock, I’ll repeat my post from earlier today.
Mr. Markle was an ordinary elderly man living a quiet life when he was caught up in extraordinary circumstances. She had never even brought Harry to meet him, he was inundated with paps around his home and given no help.
He made the mistake of agreeing to be photographed doing tame things with a photographer Meghan later used herself) and which didn’t seem to have been malicious, and for which he apologised for and he gets cut off....forever! Yes he has unwisely spoken about her to the media since out of frustration but that wasn't why he was cut off in the first place.

The reason he has given interviews is to plead with her to get in touch and let him see his grandchildren because she has refused to take any of his calls or answer his texts or letters. This hasn’t helped his cause. He hasn’t said anything awful about her, but he can’t understand why a previously loving daughter has changed so much towards him.

There's two things I want to say on this.

1. Going to the Media isn't going to heal his relationship with his Daughter.

2. We don't really know what their relationship was like before all of the Media fallout, maybe it's always been a strained relationship? We'll never know.

And hello Jet, I hope that you've been having a great day.

[rusticgal]

Both Meghan and her father have used the media for their own gain…Meghans father has used them as a way of connecting with Meghan which she clearly has no want of doing.
Meghan on the other hand has used the Media to annihilate her husbands family…but was happy to be there in the public spotlight at the Queens deathbed and her funeral playing ‘happy families’….
She has nothing negative to say regarding her own father but clearly refuses to have anything to do with him :shrug:
On record before her marriage she had nothing but good things to say about him..why don’t we hear about what he has done that bought her to this because she clearly had no restraint exposing the appalling behaviour of Harry’s family but still seemed happy to be in the mix on highly momentous Royal occasions….

[jet]

Both Meghan and her father have used the media for their own gain…Meghans father has used them as a way of connecting with Meghan which she clearly has no want of doing.
Meghan on the other hand has used the Media to annihilate her husbands family…but was happy to be there in the public spotlight at the Queens deathbed and her funeral playing ‘happy families’….
She has nothing negative to say regarding her own father but clearly refuses to have anything to do with him :shrug:
On record before her marriage she had nothing but good things to say about him..why don’t we hear about what he has done that bought her to this because she clearly had no restraint exposing the appalling behaviour of Harry’s family but still seemed happy to be in the mix on highly momentous Royal occasions….

:clap1:

[jet]

There's two things I want to say on this.

1. Going to the Media isn't going to heal his relationship with his Daughter.

2. We don't really know what their relationship was like before all of the Media fallout, maybe it's always been a strained relationship? We'll never know.


1. I agree and I already acknowledged that.

2. I’m sure their life together wasn’t always perfection, especially when Doria left Meghan with her father to bring up alone as a young teenager, which he did for 7 years.
There isn’t a shred of evidence that maybe they always had a strained relationship so that is an unfair assumption to make.
On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that he was a very good father. There are other TIG blogs by Meghan, apart from the one I posted upthread, that sings his praises. He was her inspiration, her support, her rock, he taught her so much - all her own words.

Not one friend or family member from either Thomas or Doria’s side has ever indicated he was anything but a doting father. Not one.
So, from what we know thus far, the ‘maybe’s are nothing but wishful thinking to make excuses for Meghan dumping him like a piece of old garbage.
.

[jet]

It's a fair point with Harry as it's his family.
The same can be said for William too when he got one of his servants to spread negative gossip about H&M.


How do you know this? What was the gossip William is supposed to have spread...

In comparsion, we know what Harry has said because it came from his own mouth or is in his book.

[Mystic Mock]

Both Meghan and her father have used the media for their own gain…Meghans father has used them as a way of connecting with Meghan which she clearly has no want of doing.
Meghan on the other hand has used the Media to annihilate her husbands family…but was happy to be there in the public spotlight at the Queens deathbed and her funeral playing ‘happy families’….
She has nothing negative to say regarding her own father but clearly refuses to have anything to do with him :shrug:
On record before her marriage she had nothing but good things to say about him..why don’t we hear about what he has done that bought her to this because she clearly had no restraint exposing the appalling behaviour of Harry’s family but still seemed happy to be in the mix on highly momentous Royal occasions….

Meghan publicly being negative about the Royal Family isn't the same as a family member publicly slagging off another family member imo.

That's more of a Harry & William thing to do.

I get that Meghan does like the limelight (after all she is in Showbiz) but I think from what info that I'm getting in this debacle with her Father makes him look terrible, and I can't help but feel that if he was doing this to someone other than Meghan that we wouldn't even be having people seriously debating his scummy behaviour towards his own Daughter.

[Mystic Mock]

1. I agree and I already acknowledged that.

2. I’m sure their life together wasn’t always perfection, especially when Doria left Meghan with her father to bring up alone as a young teenager, which he did for 7 years.
There isn’t a shred of evidence that maybe they always had a strained relationship so that is an unfair assumption to make.
On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that he was a very good father. There are other TIG blogs by Meghan, apart from the one I posted upthread, that sings his praises. He was her inspiration, her support, her rock, he taught her so much - all her own words.

Not one friend or family member from either Thomas or Doria’s side has ever indicated he was anything but a doting father. Not one.
So, from what we know thus far, the ‘maybe’s are nothing but wishful thinking to make excuses for Meghan dumping him like a piece of old garbage.
.

Oh because she could just be being a bitch tbf, I'm just offering the other side that isn't really being looked at by some people, which is that Meghan could have always had a dodgy relationship with her Dad.

[Mystic Mock]

How do you know this? What was the gossip William is supposed to have spread...

In comparsion, we know what Harry has said because it came from his own mouth or is in his book.

Weren't there a court case where it turned out that one of the Servants who was spreading negative gossip about H&M to the Newspapers was William's servant? Obviously it doesn't 100% prove that William sent his servant to spread these negative stories, but it's no coincidence imo given the fact that we all know how the two Brothers feel about each other, they don't exactly know what subtlety is between the pair of them after all.

[Oliver_W]

Both Meghan and her father have used the media for their own gain…Meghans father has used them as a way of connecting with Meghan which she clearly has no want of doing.
Meghan on the other hand has used the Media to annihilate her husbands family…but was happy to be there in the public spotlight at the Queens deathbed and her funeral playing ‘happy families’….
She has nothing negative to say regarding her own father but clearly refuses to have anything to do with him :shrug:
On record before her marriage she had nothing but good things to say about him..why don’t we hear about what he has done that bought her to this because she clearly had no restraint exposing the appalling behaviour of Harry’s family but still seemed happy to be in the mix on highly momentous Royal occasions….

Well it's clear from where she gets her behaviour.

The worst I wish on either of them is that they do reconnect :joker:

[Cherie]

What did the Father do?

He sold a few photos before the wedding...of him in his suit if I recall correctly

[thesheriff443]

I believe harry and Meghan are truly dead to the royal family after comparing their near catastrophic taxi ride to the death of Diana

Harry told the world how he left the uk to protect his family

[Glenn.]

He sold a few photos before the wedding...of him in his suit if I recall correctly

Then faked a heart attack and told her he wasn’t going to the wedding

[Nicky91]

Thomas Markle absolute icon :lovedup:

[user104658]

I believe harry and Meghan are truly dead to the royal family after comparing their near catastrophic taxi ride to the death of Diana


Why would that be the straw that broke the camel's back? Not one member of the Royal Family (besides Harry and William) gave a speck of a sh*t about Diana or what happened to her. So I imagine William wasn't very happy with the comparison, but the rest of them? Why would they care?

[joeysteele]

I've simply lost patience with the Royals and the whole Rroyal set up as it is.
It's worsened since the late Queen passed away.
I still would want to keep a Monarchy but there's few to look up to in the current lot.

However if the Duchess of Sussex has cut herself and her own family off from her Father for whatever reasons .
That's her right.
Him trying to use the media will not improve things.
In fact if I was to cut myself from a family member,friend or acquaintances and they went on media about it and myself..
Then that would reinforce to me to definitely not open the door EVER again to them.
Thinking they'd run off to the media with anything else about me.

The Sussexes have done that themselves too and are now in effect ostracised from the Royal family.
Parent and Siblings and their children

What a mess of a family
We have a current King now, who even while on a summer break at Balmoral cannot talk to or see his youngest son on an occasion when he is in the country
What an example.

However that's the cost of talking about family negatively publicly ratter than dealing with issues in private.
Harry and Meghan chose to do so and so his own Father doesn't make any reaching out to him and her, just as they don't to the King's family.
So Markle shouldn't be surprised that he'll get nowhere still going on the media.
Sniping while saying he wants to reconcile kind of.
It's not going to happen.
He cannot either really condemn or moan at Meghan and Harry because he's doing just about the same as they did to the Royal family.

As a family the Royals are a shocking example really.
Harry and Meghan chose to come across negative and confrontational
Markle is really just the same using the media at times.
So maybe we're seeing a bit of where she got her nonsense from.

If he really sincerely wants to reconcile then keep off the media.
That's all he can do.
However if the Sussexes don't want him in their lives or their children's then that is their right and choice.
That is sadly the price that can come from distrust, hurt and publicly exposing family affairs and issues.
Just as the current King has his youngest Son and daughter in law has done for their public critical nonsense.

The Royals and some who become part of that robotic institution, seem to come from another planet, so far away they seem to be detached from true reality of family.

[Jordan.]

The reason he has given interviews is to plead with her to get in touch and let him see his grandchildren because she has refused to take any of his calls or answer his texts or letters.

Is he refusing payment for these interviews? I can't see why he'd want money when reconciliation is his only motive.

[Oliver_W]

Why would that be the straw that broke the camel's back? Not one member of the Royal Family (besides Harry and William) gave a speck of a sh*t about Diana or what happened to her. So I imagine William wasn't very happy with the comparison, but the rest of them? Why would they care?

I bet a fair few of their eyes still haven't un-rolled from the ludicrosity and audacity of the comparison, but yeah I agree it's unlikely to be a final straw for anyone.

[rusticgal]

Meghan publicly being negative about the Royal Family isn't the same as a family member publicly slagging off another family member imo.

That's more of a Harry & William thing to do.

I get that Meghan does like the limelight (after all she is in Showbiz) but I think from what info that I'm getting in this debacle with her Father makes him look terrible, and I can't help but feel that if he was doing this to someone other than Meghan that we wouldn't even be having people seriously debating his scummy behaviour towards his own Daughter.


Meghan accused the Royals of being Racist...she and Harry accused them of refusing to help her with her mental health and financially... Despite all this they both continued to turn up at the 'big' family functions.

Maybe Meghan should have outed her fathers wrong doings on the Oprah show...because they were clearly so bad she no longer communicates with him....

...but then again it just wouldn't have had the impact would it :smug: She is quite happy to expose Harry's families 'poor' behaviour (albeit lies) but she refrains from exposing her own...

[rusticgal]

Then faked a heart attack and told her he wasn’t going to the wedding


How do you know he faked it.....

Its more likely Meghan didn't want him walking her down the aisle....she didnt want any of her family there not even her favorite niece. Doria was the only one who could pull off the image she wanted to portray to the world of her family...and have the future King walk her down the aisle.

The transparency is unreal...

[jet]

I've simply lost patience with the Royals and the whole Rroyal set up as it is.
It's worsened since the late Queen passed away.
I still would want to keep a Monarchy but there's few to look up to in the current lot.

However if the Duchess of Sussex has cut herself and her own family off from her Father for whatever reasons .
That's her right.
Him trying to use the media will not improve things.
In fact if I was to cut myself from a family member,friend or acquaintances and they went on media about it and myself..
Then that would reinforce to me to definitely not open the door EVER again to them.
Thinking they'd run off to the media with anything else about me.

The Sussexes have done that themselves too and are now in effect ostracised from the Royal family.
Parent and Siblings and their children

What a mess of a family
We have a current King now, who even while on a summer break at Balmoral cannot talk to or see his youngest son on an occasion when he is in the country
What an example.

However that's the cost of talking about family negatively publicly ratter than dealing with issues in private.
Harry and Meghan chose to do so and so his own Father doesn't make any reaching out to him and her, just as they don't to the King's family.
So Markle shouldn't be surprised that he'll get nowhere still going on the media.
Sniping while saying he wants to reconcile kind of.
It's not going to happen.
He cannot either really condemn or moan at Meghan and Harry because he's doing just about the same as they did to the Royal family.

As a family the Royals are a shocking example really.
Harry and Meghan chose to come across negative and confrontational
Markle is really just the same using the media at times.
So maybe we're seeing a bit of where she got her nonsense from.

If he really sincerely wants to reconcile then keep off the media.
That's all he can do.
However if the Sussexes don't want him in their lives or their children's then that is their right and choice.
That is sadly the price that can come from distrust, hurt and publicly exposing family affairs and issues.
Just as the current King has his youngest Son and daughter in law has done for their public critical nonsense.

The Royals and some who become part of that robotic institution, seem to come from another planet, so far away they seem to be detached from true reality of family.

It’s not the same thing though, because after all Harry and Meghan did, the Royal family continued to invite them to all the big Royal occasions. They didn’t cut them off completely from the word go like Meghan did to her father….and still H&M continued with their badmouthing.
Both the Queen and Charles invited H&M to join them at Balmoral several times to talk things through and they declined. The Queen asked Harry to come and see her the week before she died (they knew the end was near) and he once again declined.

After the Netflix series and Spare, which were cruelly timed to be released while the Queen was still alive and very ill (it’s a blessing she died just before they came out) I think the Royals have had it with them completely now.

[jet]

How do you know he faked it.....

Its more likely Meghan didn't want him walking her down the aisle....she didnt want any of her family there not even her favorite niece. Doria was the only one who could pull off the image she wanted to portray to the world of her family...and have the future King walk her down the aisle.

The transparency is unreal...

Yes, not one friend from her former 'ordinary' life, not even one member of Doria's extended family. But there were a bunch of A list celebs who had never even met her before. Says it all really.

[Glenn.]

How do you know he faked it.....

Its more likely Meghan didn't want him walking her down the aisle....she didnt want any of her family there not even her favorite niece. Doria was the only one who could pull off the image she wanted to portray to the world of her family...and have the future King walk her down the aisle.

The transparency is unreal...

He ghosted his own daughter days before the wedding. Wouldn’t pick up his phone.

Somebody else got hold of her using his phone pretending to be him.

[jet]

He ghosted his own daughter days before the wedding. Wouldn’t pick up his phone.

Somebody else got hold of her using his phone pretending to be him.

Meghan up to her 'catastrophic car chase' tricks again. She said she knew it wasn't him - not because it wasn't his voice - but because he didn't use his pet name for her. :laugh:
Mr. Markle stated it WAS him.
The phone records showed he HAD called her, you see, so she had to pretend it wasn't him, someone else sneaked his phone away and called her. She's nuts.

[Glenn.]

:joker: