PM Sunak Weakening Key Green Policies : Live 4:30PM 20/9/23

[arista]

[Rishi Sunak is considering weakening
some of the government's key
green commitments in a major policy shift.
It could include delaying a ban on the sales
of new petrol and diesel cars and phasing
out gas boilers,
multiple sources have told the BBC.

The PM is preparing to set out the changes
in a speech in the coming days.

There is no suggestion that Mr Sunak
is considering abandoning the legal
commitment to reach net zero carbon
emissions by 2050.
But he is expected to declare that other countries
need to bear more of the burden of
dealing with climate change.

If Mr Sunak presses ahead with
the plan it would represent a significant shift
in the Conservative Party's approach
to net zero policy, as well as establishing
a clear dividing line with the Labour Party.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66857551

Green Party is angry

[Crimson Dynamo]

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get this utter madness in the BIN

[Oliver_W]

Not surprised in the least.

Not that the current plans were particularly green anyway.

[The Slim Reaper]

First thing tories do when they're hurt, is look for a way to screw over future generations.

[Crimson Dynamo]

First thing tories do when they're hurt, is look for a way to screw over future generations.

more MSM Kool Aid patter

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[The Slim Reaper]

more MSM Kool Aid patter

The MSM is notoriously anti-tory :joker:

[joeysteele]

Not unexpected from Fishy Sunak but it's wrong in my view.

[bots]

i think its the right move. Getting rid of gas boilers is hugely expensive and electric cars aren't fit for purpose yet

[Oliver_W]

While Drax's method of tree-powered stations is held above cleaner and greener methods like nuclear, no-one has the right to call themselves or their methods green.

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[Livia]

Not Rishi accidentally meeting one out of five promises?

[arista]

Prime Minister is live at 4:30PM

today

[bots]

Someone is going to be in trouble for leaking this to the BBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris is opposing it

F off Boris and your sh1t DM sat column

[arista]

Live in Downing Street


Now


All 3 news Channels

[arista]

also Live
on Radio 5
LBC
Times Radio

[arista]

He claims we are not Powerless.

The needs of the moment.

Soon the Press will ask questions

[arista]

Someone is going to be in trouble for leaking this to the BBC


BBC claim "Multiple Sources"

[arista]

He States on Climate Change
he is fully aware,

[arista]

2035 For Cars


Like Germany and France.


That's a good move

[arista]

Also your boiler
will not be Forced


Good Sensible Move
as so many can not afford to change.

[arista]

This is Massive Changes


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No PMQ's tomorrow

[bots]

it's putting clear daylight between tories and labour. It will be interesting how labour will react

[arista]

it's putting clear daylight between tories and labour. It will be interesting how labour will react


Yes they may have a problem.

[arista]

BBC asks is this about the Election?

Rishi says no,
he has being thinking of this for a long time



ITV Peston
Claims the boilermakers
have had the rug pulled under them.

Sunak no


He told Peston to ask Kemi

[bots]

it just seems like common sense to me

[joeysteele]

Some if it I can see the sense of.

Just sick of his deceitful selective number crunching he does.

If I was Starmer, and thankfully I'm not.
I'd criticise the change of stance, however would in principle half-heartedly accept some of these changes, with the view of reviewing once and should he win the election.

I'm not bothered on the climate policy issues..
This PM and his hard-line heartless Ministers, should be out for alone the chaos they've helped create and the chaos they are still sustaining across the NHS.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If we get Rwanda sorted this could be better times for Rishi

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour don't have a problem. This has been done for tory newspapers and a galahad base. Most of the public are aware of the climate emergency and it's consequences (between 70-80%).

it's another tory created problem, which I'd say would backfire, but the party is in such a state they've already bled out.

[The Slim Reaper]

Some if it I can see the sense of.

Just sick of his deceitful selective number crunching he does.

If I was Starmer, and thankfully I'm not.
I'd criticise the change of stance, however would in principle half-heartedly accept some of these changes, with the view of reviewing once and should he win the election.

I'm not bothered on the climate policy issues..
This PM and his hard-line heartless Ministers, should be out for alone the chaos they've helped create and the chaos they are still sustaining across the NHS.

Starmer criticising anyone else for changing their stance? :laugh:

[arista]

Lets see all the Front Pages
later Slim.

[arista]

it just seems like common sense to me


Yes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Lets see all the Front Pages
later Slim.

I've no doubt you'll take up 3 pages to post them all, but of course the tory papers will support it. It doesn't matter because the tories are getting wiped out in a year or so, and there's nothing that's going to change that fact.

[arista]

The Sun asked about HS2,
to Manchester?

Sunak, did not give him a answer.

[bots]

i think Sunak comes across very well on the subject

[arista]

I've no doubt you'll take up 3 pages to post them all, but of course the tory papers will support it. It doesn't matter because the tories are getting wiped out in a year or so, and there's nothing that's going to change that fact.

For You
I will post the Daily Mirror, First.

[joeysteele]

Starmer criticising anyone else for changing their stance? :laugh:

I'm as annoyed with Starmer as anyone else

However he hasn't yet put a manifesto of policies to the Nation under his leadership, which he has changed once in government..
As this lot have.

If he does win and goes back on his presented manifesto pledges..
Then fair criticism would be in order to add to all the other criticism I have of him.
However policy is still being formed and I know of NO leader taking over from another in the main 2 Parties who kept all their predecessors policies

[arista]

i think Sunak comes across very well on the subject

Yes I think the press are Surprised

[The Slim Reaper]

For You
I will post the Daily Mirror, First.

For me, don't post any of them.

You should post socialist worker or morning star for me :laugh:

[arista]

Sunak gave us 45mins


He has Now Concluded

[arista]

For me, don't post any of them.

You should post socialist worker or morning star for me :laugh:


No Slim

You are Wrong
they become an Historical record.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm as annoyed with Starmer as anyone else

However he hasn't yet put a manifesto of policies to the Nation under his leadership, which he has changed once in government..
As this lot have.

If he does win and goes back on his presented manifesto pledges..
Then fair criticism would be in order to add to all the other criticism I have of him.
However policy is still being formed and I know of NO leader taking over from another in the main 2 Parties who kept all their predecessors policies

Joey, you've seen it all. I know you have. I understand people are clinging to this "let's wait till he's in office then we'll hold his feet to the fire." approach, but it's too late then. Labour is going to cruise to victory, but they have no ambition to do anything, and have already tied themselves to a growth model that brought us 13 years of austerity and trickle down.

[The Slim Reaper]

No Slim

You are Wrong
they become an Historical record.

Arsita; professor of historical records. TIBB college. London.

[Cherie]

I read yesterday that electric cars are 60% more expensive to insure

No one can afford heat pumps and alot of older homes do not have the insulation to make them effective

They want to phase out oil fired central heating in rural areas and replace with useless heatpumps

They also want to get rid of wood burning stoves.... super

I dont know why the UK needs to lead the world on this, let someone else lead on it :laugh:

[Zizu]

I read yesterday that electric cars are 60% more expensive to insure

No one can afford heat pumps and alot of older homes do not have the insulation to make them effective

They want to phase out oil fired central heating in rural areas and replace with useless heatpumps

They also want to get rid of wood burning stoves.... super

I dont know why the UK needs to lead the world on this, let someone else lead on it :laugh:


It’s crazy that we are going all out on this when we are a minuscule of the problem

Plus electric car owners are saying that the published figures on the stats are all exaggerated..


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[arista]

Labour will keep it at 2030

On BBCnewsHD


Sunak is 2035

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[bots]

Lets bankrupt the country when we contribute 1% to the climate problem .... that just makes a ton of sense

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets bankrupt the country when we contribute 1% to the climate problem .... that just makes a ton of sense

But Bots we have to lead the way....

Probably the most BS counter argument around:joker:

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[arista]

Sunak was Clever
waiting until the last day of Parliament
and by making it 4:30PM

Parliament would not have time to debate any of his plans

They are not back until Monday 16th of October


Conference recess 19 Sept 2023 - 16 Oct 2023

[joeysteele]

It's not really a drastic alteration to the plans anyhow.
It just adds to the possible belief here and abroad that the last batch of Con PMs and government cannot be trusted as to their word.

That however doesn't surprise me.

[bots]

all the car manufacturers can do one. The rest of the world isn't banning petrol cars until 2035, so they are spinning a tale when they say it badly affects them.

The world is a connected economy. All major economies should do the transitions at the same time

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[Campaigners are likely to bring legal
challenges to try to block changes
to the UK's net zero strategy,
according to the Guardian.
It comes after Mr Sunak announced delays and extensions
to a number of climate-related targets that
critics say will make it harder for the
government to meet a legally-binding commitment
to eliminate the UK's contribution to the
level of greenhouse gases in
the atmosphere by 2050.
The paper says that a number of campaign groups,
including Friends of the Earth
and the Good Law Project, are exploring legal action.]

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[joeysteele]

I doubt this will get the full response he hoped.
It's not a drastic change.
He hasn't presented it with full integrity and facts.

I don't honestly see where Labour particularly need to do more than criticise his small alterations as to dates.
Change them back if they wish to but I'd just go with the changes anyhow.
Not make a great meal of it.

The ultimate target remains, so it may really end up a non event in the end from him and his hopeless advisers .

[bots]

it's all designed to create a conflict point between tory and labour, and labour are falling for it

[arista]

I doubt this will get the full response he hoped.
It's not a drastic change.
He hasn't presented it with full integrity and facts.

I don't honestly see where Labour particularly need to do more than criticise his small alterations as to dates.
Change them back if they wish to but I'd just go with the changes anyhow.
Not make a great meal of it.

The ultimate target remains, so it may really end up a non event in the end from him and his hopeless advisers .



Yes Starmer should back the 2035 date
as many can not afford heat pumps.


And Starmer is setting up a New UK Energy Company
we can all join and save cash

[joeysteele]

No Starmer should back the 2035 date
as many can not afford heat pumps.


And Starmer is setting up a New UK Energy Company
we can all join and save cash

That's actually what I said in effect
That Labour should just go with the changes.

They're not worth making much of a fuss about in my view.

[arista]

Changed my No to Yes
at the start

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd already bought my 750 bins that was made up, and I was more than ready to pay my meat tax that also was never going to exist. I too like to make things up, then ban them. :blush:

[bots]

All Sunak did was say that some of the rumours weren't going to happen. Thing is, if you are going to do that, if you don't name them all, then that implies that some rumours are going to happen. For example he didn't deny the charge per car mile was going to happen

[The Slim Reaper]

If you're living in fantasy world, you can deny or ignore whatever you want. It's desperate stuff. He needs to just call an election, so the red Tories can continue on his party's great work.

Go and swim in his money like scrooge McDuck, because it's all over for them.

[arista]

I'd already bought my 750 bins that was made up, and I was more than ready to pay my meat tax that also was never going to exist. I too like to make things up, then ban them. :blush:


Sunak seemed to have Truss moment or two

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[bots]

corporations more worried about their profit than the vulnerable in the uk that can't afford the costs

[arista]

Some Good news for PM Sunak.

Scotland has approved the
New Rosebank Oil & Gas


https://news.sky.com/story/untapped-rosebank-oil-and-gas-field-north-of-scotland-approved-for-development-amid-row-over-climate-damage-12893255


https://www.equinor.com/energy/rosebank


[Untapped Rosebank oil and gas field
north of Scotland approved for development
amid row over climate damage]


All Media

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