Severance

[Oliver_W]

Recently finished watching this, it was pretty good!

Though I can't remember exactly what it was they wanted to expose?

[bots]

haha, there is a second series on the way. I suggest setting a reminder

[Cherie]

I thought you had been made redundant Oliver :laugh: you need to put the platform poster...

[Mystic Mock]

Severance is alright imo.

I didn't love it, but at least it wasn't one of Hollywood's many trainwrecks.:laugh:

[Barry.]

I thought this was the Danny Dyer movie there

[Jessica.]

Happy S2 day! Season 1 and so my favourite TV series of all time.

[Niamh.]

Happy S2 day! Season 1 and so my favourite TV series of all time.

Oh it's out today? Yay

[Jessica.]

Oh it's out today? Yay

Yesss

[Niamh.]

Yesss

woohoo, it's such a great show, very different

[Jessica.]

woohoo, it's such a great show, very different

I know, I was in a funk after I watched season 1 because I was comparing every other show to it and nothing was on the level of it. :joker: I'm defrosting pizza dough and keeping my fingers crossed that the baby sleeps tonight so I can eat and immerse myself. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

xEQP4VVuyrY

[Niamh.]

I know, I was in a funk after I watched season 1 because I was comparing every other show to it and nothing was on the level of it. :joker: I'm defrosting pizza dough and keeping my fingers crossed that the baby sleeps tonight so I can eat and immerse myself. :joker:

Fingers crossed for you

[Oliver_W]

I'll want to marathon S2, so I'm going to have to hide from spoilers for several weeks :laugh:

Though I'll surely crack before long and watch it sporadically anyway...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is it just apple?

[Niamh.]

Is it just apple?

I think so, I'll hopefully be able to stream it elsewhere :eyes: tomorrow

[Ammi]

…the finale of Silo/season 2 and the start of Severance 2nd season, we’re being spoilt today…:flutter:…

[bots]

On a complete tangent, i believe a new series of Better Call Saul is due this year, and it is moving to apple tv

[Ammi]

On a complete tangent, i believe a new series of Better Call Saul is due this year, and it is moving to apple tv

…oh that’ll be interesting…it felt as though the storyline had completed…

[bots]

…oh that’ll be interesting…it felt as though the storyline had completed…

Kim gets Saul out of jail i think

[Jessica.]

I think so, I'll hopefully be able to stream it elsewhere :eyes: tomorrow

I watched it on a streaming site, it came out at midnight so it was online early. I hope it's the same next week I hate that silo comes out in the evening.

[Ammi]

I watched it on a streaming site, it came out at midnight so it was online early. I hope it's the same next week I hate that silo comes out in the evening.

…I started to watch it late in the evening but was too sleepy to absorb it so I’ll rewatch from the beginning later today…

[Niamh.]

I watched it on a streaming site, it came out at midnight so it was online early. I hope it's the same next week I hate that silo comes out in the evening.Oh, It's an episode a week? I was hoping the whole thing would be released in one go. I was late watching season 1 si the whole thing was there when I started watching

[Jessica.]

Oh, It's an episode a week? I was hoping the whole thing would be released in one go. I was late watching season 1 si the whole thing was there when I started watching

Yeah, it's one a week. :bawling:

[Benjamin]

Just started season 1 and loving it so far.

[Ammi]

…I watched the first episode of season 2 so it’ll be interesting to see how the storyline develops…

[Jessica.]

Just started season 1 and loving it so far.

Wish I was able to forget it and watch it for the first time again

[Ammi]

…have you started to watch season 2 yet, Jess…?…

[Niamh.]

Watched Ep1 of S2 so what do we think the explanation about Miss Casey is going to be?

She can't really be dead in the outside world, do we think maybe her Outtie brain died and only her innie now remains which is why they kept her down there? Was she severed that we knew about or that Mark S knew about?

Is Helly ever going to admit what really happened and who she is when she went out?

[Jessica.]

…have you started to watch season 2 yet, Jess…?…

Yes, I really enjoyed the episode, I love how unpredictable Mark has become :joker:

[Benjamin]

Still catching up with season 1

miss Casey is his dead wife!!! :shocked:

[Benjamin]

I’m in love with this show. Just about to catch up to you all and watch season 2 ep 2.

[Ammi]

…season 2 is looking thoroughly excellent so far…:love:…

…I love the show too, I’m just not such a fan of real time watching…especially when it has so many threads to follow…and with real time, I often forget to watch…

[Ammi]

….episode 3 has definitely raised the intrigue and mystery up a level …parts of it got my goat a bit, though…


….why are they breeding goats at Luman and why did goat lady ask Mark and Helly if they were there to kill them…and do the goat people have pouches …hmmmm…

[Ammi]

…gosh at Episode 4…

…I’m an ocean of turmoil…and oh Lord, Irving has sacrificed himself to ‘bring back’ Helly….

[Niamh.]

…gosh at Episode 4…



…I’m an ocean of turmoil…and oh Lord, Irving has sacrificed himself to ‘bring back’ Helly….It was such a strange episode [emoji23]

[Benjamin]

…gosh at Episode 4…

…I’m an ocean of turmoil…and oh Lord, Irving has sacrificed himself to ‘bring back’ Helly….

Poor Irving :(

[Ammi]

It was such a strange episode [emoji23]

…yeah I did start off worrying that it might just be a filler episode but it so wasn’t, it was completely unexpected …

[Ammi]

Poor Irving :(

…I love that character and that he knew that he was sacrificing himself for Helly, I love him more….https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExODQ5cXZxbG8xbjRiZjU2N2I1MzhsZnR wcnlxZmdhMGZkZzVwcjNqNCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Ph8OWoJA2M3eM/giphy.gif

[Niamh.]

So I have a theory

I wonder is the "mission" for Mark S to find/remember Miss Casey? They've mentioned a couple of times now that Mark S is so close to completing his mission and it seems like he's the most important one in there. Also maybe why Outtie Helly took over to help keep him focused or to try and un focus him or something

[arista]

Recently finished watching this, it was pretty good!

Though I can't remember exactly what it was they wanted to expose?


Oliver
take the time to tell us what channel it is on?


I had do a search

[Niamh.]

…I love that character and that he knew that he was sacrificing himself for Helly, I love him more….https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExODQ5cXZxbG8xbjRiZjU2N2I1MzhsZnR wcnlxZmdhMGZkZzVwcjNqNCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Ph8OWoJA2M3eM/giphy.gif




Hopefully he'll be back

the scene when Helly and Mark S started laughing and taking the piss after Milkshake dude finished the story was so funny

[Ammi]

…episode 5….


…the funeral…..9 minutes of reflection and a watermelon carved in the image of Irving B….:laugh:…is this real life …..

[Ammi]

…in US series, they quite often don’t give a time for a social engagement or a date etc…come over tomorrow for ham and red wine, see you then….see you what time, though…?…. what if I just turn up at 9am, how would that be…?….

[Benjamin]

Another glorious episode :clap1:

[Niamh.]

I wonder is

is Miss Wong a clone of Miss Casey as a child or something [emoji23] her being there is so weird lol

[Benjamin]

I wonder is

is Miss Wong a clone of Miss Casey as a child or something [emoji23] her being there is so weird lol

I literally said this to my OH tonight haha

[Niamh.]

I literally said this to my OH tonight hahaGreat minds [emoji23]

The whole experiment or mission or whatever it is seems to revolve around Mark S anyway that's for sure, everyone else seems disposable

[Niamh.]

…in US series, they quite often don’t give a time for a social engagement or a date etc…come over tomorrow for ham and red wine, see you then….see you what time, though…?…. what if I just turn up at 9am, how would that be…?….Also

Does Outtie Irving even know where Bert lives?

[Benjamin]

Also

Does Outtie Irving even know where Bert lives?

He will have woken up there when the OT was switched off

[Ammi]

….I’m thinking that Helena might be pregnant and that it was all manipulated for that to happen…

[Ammi]

…and is Burt really Burt, he seemed a bit off/a bit sinister…

[Niamh.]

He will have woken up there when the OT was switched off Ah right of course

[Niamh.]

….I’m thinking that Helena might be pregnant and that it was all manipulated for that to happen…Hhmmmm why I wonder?

[Jessica.]

I really enjoyed that episode!

[Ammi]

Hhmmmm why I wonder?

….it just seems quite specific that he should make love to Helena and not Helly B when Helena invaded her body….but also when Miss Huang made that comment about thinking they were human or something/I can’t recall exactly but I was wondering if the innies were clones and the outties were humans but that Mark wasn’t a clone as an innie so able to reproduce…

[Ammi]

I really enjoyed that episode!

…it’s so intriguing, isn’t it…I think we’re around half way through this season and it’s just getting more and more mysterious…:laugh:…

[Niamh.]

….it just seems quite specific that he should make love to Helena and not Helly B when Helena invaded her body….but also when Miss Huang made that comment about thinking they were human or something/I can’t recall exactly but I was wondering if the innies were clones and the outties were humans but that Mark wasn’t a clone as an innie so able to reproduce… but they were able to be their outtie in the same way as Mark when they had that break out. That was an odd statement though, what exactly did she say? They'll think they're real people? Might need a rewatch actually.

[Ammi]

but they were able to be their outtie in the same way as Mark when they had that break out. That was an odd statement though, what exactly did she say? They'll think they're real people? Might need a rewatch actually.

…yeah I can’t recall exactly what she said which is really annoying because I feel as though it had a great significance…(…maybe…)…they may be clones or maybe they’re like spirits crossing over from one world to another…/it’s all very confusing and I’m running away with theories and possibilities…

[Niamh.]

…yeah I can’t recall exactly what she said which is really annoying because I feel as though it had a great significance…(…maybe…)…they may be clones or maybe they’re like spirits crossing over from one world to another…/it’s all very confusing and I’m running away with theories and possibilities…all the signs of a great show [emoji122]

[Ammi]

…actually, didn’t she say to Milchick that he shouldn’t give a funeral because he’s only making them feel like real people or something similar…?…. So it feels as though they’re kind of spirits or minds but not physical bodies…which could indicate clones/programs or spiritual beings who have passed over in the outtie world…

[Ammi]

…honestly clutching at straws tbh….

[Ammi]

all the signs of a great show [emoji122]

…yeah, I totally love when all we’re given is questions and no answers so we become obsessed…:laugh:…

[Niamh.]

…actually, didn’t she say to Milchick that he shouldn’t give a funeral because he’s only making them feel like real people or something similar…?…. So it feels as though they’re kind of spirits or minds but not physical bodies…which could indicate clones/programs or spiritual beings who have passed over in the outtie world…Well

I definitely think the trip to the woods was some sort of simulation. Remember Irving sleeping outside and he said "I should have froze to death" hhhhhmmm

[Ammi]

Well

I definitely think the trip to the woods was some sort of simulation. Remember Irving sleeping outside and he said "I should have froze to death" hhhhhmmm

…I keep thinking…

…of the title of that episode of Trojan Horse and what the meaning of that is both in physical terms and in computer programming terms of concealing a program and what the purpose of that is, hmmmmm……

[Niamh.]

I thought that was referring to

Helena infiltrating the group un Hellys "body"

[Ammi]

I thought that was referring to

Helena infiltrating the group un Hellys "body"

…that’s what I thought as well but that was last week’s episode when she infiltrated and obviously what led up to Irving B’s funeral etc of this week…when apparently the group may ‘get the illusion’ that they’re real people with funerals and such the like…

[bots]

i've started to catch up on this and i'm now on season 2 episode 3, it's a new level of weird over season 1 :laugh:

[Niamh.]

i've started to catch up on this and i'm now on season 2 episode 3, it's a new level of weird over season 1 [emoji23]Strap yourself in for Ep 4 [emoji23]

[Ammi]

i've started to catch up on this and i'm now on season 2 episode 3, it's a new level of weird over season 1 :laugh:

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[Benjamin]

Helena is playing a risky game meeting outie Mark at the restaurant.

[Ammi]

…yeah Helena was so determined to engage with him at the restaurant and also mentioning Gemma…the Milchick scene in the mirror was quite intense…I’m not sure what the grow connection with childhood folly was…

[Benjamin]

I don’t trust outie Burt either.

[Benjamin]

…yeah Helena was so determined to engage with him at the restaurant and also mentioning Gemma…the Milchick scene in the mirror was quite intense…I’m not sure what the grow connection with childhood folly was…

I just assumed he was trying to use smaller words after his review and was telling himself to grow

[Ammi]

…no I don’t trust outie Burt and Fields doesn’t trust innie Burt…I hope Irving’s ok….

[Benjamin]

We’re overdue an update on Mrs Cobel. I reckon she’ll be back in the next episode.

[Ammi]

…I hope Mark’s ok after his head crunch on the floor while he has a hole in his head…

[Ammi]

…was what Mark could smell, the water…?…the Lumon sign/logo has a liquid…(…water…?…)…drop in it, hasn’t it…

[Niamh.]

Ohhh can't wait to click those spoilers, I'll watch it this evening

[Benjamin]

Ohhh can't wait to click those spoilers, I'll watch it this evening

When you do watch it

:hehe:

[Jessica.]

Ahhh that episode was so good!

[Niamh.]

I bet I can guess what was in that last spoiler Ben :oh:

[Ammi]

…as Mark has made love with Helena and Hellie R…will one of them be pregnant/will both of them be pregnant…

[Benjamin]

I bet I can guess what was in that last spoiler Ben :oh:

As if you think so little of me. :oh:

[Niamh.]

As if you think so little of me. :oh::suspect:

[bots]

it took me a while to realise that the goat woman was Brie from GoT :laugh:

[Ammi]

it took me a while to realise that the goat woman was Brie from GoT :laugh:

…GOAT…?…

[Niamh.]

I don’t trust outie Burt either.


I thought he and Fields were going to serial kill Irving :worry:

[user104658]

We started this yesterday (Well, restarted, we actually watched ep 1 back when it first came out but for some reason didn't continue, for no particular reason, just got distracted by another show I think). I think I'll enjoy it, will avoid this thread as I imagine riddled with spoilers :joker:.

[Benjamin]

We started this yesterday (Well, restarted, we actually watched ep 1 back when it first came out but for some reason didn't continue, for no particular reason, just got distracted by another show I think). I think I'll enjoy it, will avoid this thread as I imagine riddled with spoilers :joker:.

We put any spoilers in tags so feel free to come in here :dazzler:

[Niamh.]

We started this yesterday (Well, restarted, we actually watched ep 1 back when it first came out but for some reason didn't continue, for no particular reason, just got distracted by another show I think). I think I'll enjoy it, will avoid this thread as I imagine riddled with spoilers :joker:.

It's so good, I think you'll love it :hee:

[Ammi]

We started this yesterday (Well, restarted, we actually watched ep 1 back when it first came out but for some reason didn't continue, for no particular reason, just got distracted by another show I think). I think I'll enjoy it, will avoid this thread as I imagine riddled with spoilers :joker:.

….ooooooo, do we have another innie…:love:…?…pretty soon you’ll have no knowledge at all of having any outie life…

[Niamh.]

….ooooooo, do we have another innie…:love:…?…pretty soon you’ll have no knowledge at all of having any outie life…

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[Ammi]

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…:laugh:…bots and Quantum, two new severed innie’s…?….

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[user104658]

….ooooooo, do we have another innie…:love:…?…pretty soon you’ll have no knowledge at all of having any outie life…

:joker:

I'd only been a 9-5 worker a couple of years I think when I first tried watching, I'm 6 years deep now and feel like I understand the initial themes better already.

Me & wife were talking about how genuinely weird it is that you can wake up feeling utterly crappy and sulky and then 5 minutes later be on a video call laughing & joking with your brightest face on. And it made me wonder, how often am I talking to people who seem happy/jolly but they've just had bad news that they don't want to share, or have literally come into the call off the back of an argument with family, but they're all smiles.

[Ammi]

:joker:

I'd only been a 9-5 worker a couple of years I think when I first tried watching, I'm 6 years deep now and feel like I understand the initial themes better already.

Me & wife were talking about how genuinely weird it is that you can wake up feeling utterly crappy and sulky and then 5 minutes later be on a video call laughing & joking with your brightest face on. And it made me wonder, how often am I talking to people who seem happy/jolly but they've just had bad news that they don't want to share, or have literally come into the call off the back of an argument with family, but they're all smiles.

…that makes me think of that saying, turn that frown upside down…I know that’s a ‘childish’ saying but it’s been applicable to my job as well…and I hadn’t really thought of it but you’re correct in that there are some associations to innie and outie world, aren’t there…I mean, not in the same way but we can relate in some small way…

[bots]

i like the show because i never have a blinking clue what will happen next :laugh:

[Ammi]

i like the show because i never have a blinking clue what will happen next :laugh:

…yeah this present season has not dulled at all, it’s getting more and more intriguing…especially because we’re beginning to understand the workings of Lumon a bit/while having no clue at all of their agendas…

[Niamh.]

…yeah this present season has not dulled at all, it’s getting more and more intriguing…especially because we’re beginning to understand the workings of Lumon a bit/while having no clue at all of their agendas…

Yeah wtf is their agenda??? :laugh:

[Ammi]

Yeah wtf is their agenda??? :laugh:

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[Niamh.]

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[Ammi]

….episode 7…

…the dentist guy is so, so creepy…and he’s in every room that Gemma visits as a different innie and does Gemma have multiple innies as well as she can’t ever recall anything that happens in the rooms…she’s being kept prisoner but she does recall her outtie life and Mark…?….that was a really sad episode with them being kept apart…:’( …..

[Jessica.]

That was the best episode of television I've ever watched! The cinematography was amazing. It was so sad but beautiful that they still long for each other. The baby loss and infertility storyline and how it affected their relationship was realistic to say the least, that was very well written and yeah, it sucks. I absolutely love that Gemma still has some fight in her! I still don't understand what the macrodata refinement actually is and why they have people watching them on camera?

[Ammi]

That was the best episode of television I've ever watched! The cinematography was amazing. It was so sad but beautiful that they still long for each other. The baby loss and infertility storyline and how it affected their relationship was realistic to say the least, that was very well written and yeah, it sucks. I absolutely love that Gemma still has some fight in her! I still don't understand what the macrodata refinement actually is and why they have people watching them on camera?

…I agree, it was an outstanding episode…I don’t think that I blinked or exhaled for the whole time…such a sad episode also but to have it all dedicated just to them and their love story was gorgeous…

[bots]

i didn't particularly like the latest episode, everyone is different i guess :laugh:

[Jessica.]

i didn't particularly like the latest episode, everyone is different i guess :laugh:

Why not?

[Niamh.]

i didn't particularly like the latest episode, everyone is different i guess [emoji23]Same. I missed the usual gang but I suppose we have to start to get the Gemma story as well (although it's made more questions than answers [emoji23] )

[Benjamin]

I really enjoyed that episode. I miss the gang but that episode is integral because it’s given us insight to Miss Casey and what she’s been going through. The fact she tried to escape and failed is interesting too.

[Niamh.]

I really enjoyed that episode. I miss the gang but that episode is integral because it’s given us insight to Miss Casey and what she’s been going through. The fact she tried to escape and failed is interesting too.

now its a case of how did they get a dead body and fool her family into thinking she was dead. Why did Gemma sign up for it originally and did she know Mark would be told she was dead? How did they know he'd apply for severence afterwards?

[Ammi]

…I do totally get that missing of the whole crowd but Mark is such a pivotal character and there has obviously been an attraction between him and Helly R but now we’ve seen Helena kind of ‘obsessed’ with him too…it felt important to show the back story of ‘the love of his life’, Gemma…and especially as Gemma seems to be being ‘kept prisoner’ and there’s and a determination to not have her see Mark again…

[bots]

…I do totally get that missing of the whole crowd but Mark is such a pivotal character and there has obviously been an attraction between him and Helly R but now we’ve seen Helena kind of ‘obsessed’ with him too…it felt important to show the back story of ‘the love of his life’, Gemma…and especially as Gemma seems to be being ‘kept prisoner’ and there’s and a determination to not have her see Mark again…


The Helly R outie is likey to be behind a lot of it too :laugh:

[Ammi]

now its a case of how did they get a dead body and fool her family into thinking she was dead. Why did Gemma sign up for it originally and did she know Mark would be told she was dead? How did they know he'd apply for severence afterwards?

…I guess that we don’t know for sure that it is Gemma or whether it’s a ‘clone Gemma’ who has been given her memory…and maybe she’s allowed ‘room steps’ until she’s perfected as a clone…in the goat room, they were cloning sheep so may also be attempting to clone humans and Gemma could be the ‘prototype’ so actually may be dead/explaining everything you say above…

[Ammi]

…honestly love this series because I have no clue but like to think of clues that I might have if I had one……

[Ammi]

The Helly R outie is likey to be behind a lot of it too :laugh:


…yeah, Mark is so important a focus for her as well over the others …which is also why his back story seems very relevant because Gemma is also a very important character to the ‘puzzle’, I think…maybe her death was the beginning of a cloning program…

[Niamh.]

…I guess that we don’t know for sure that it is Gemma or whether it’s a ‘clone Gemma’ who has been given her memory…and maybe she’s allowed ‘room steps’ until she’s perfected as a clone…in the goat room, they were cloning sheep so may also be attempting to clone humans and Gemma could be the ‘prototype’ so actually may be dead/explaining everything you say above…Ahhh yes I wonder also

Could Miss Haung be Gemma too then if that's the case?

[Ammi]

Ahhh yes I wonder also

Could Miss Haung be Gemma too then if that's the case?

…yes that’s exactly what I was thinking/that Miss Haung is Gemma taking her steps/going through her stages…at first when the pregnancy was shown, I thought…could she be their child…?…but I’m wondering what the connection with the goat room and the cloning and why she can only ‘advance’ so many steps each day and why they can’t allow her to leave and go into the outtie world because she isn’t complete yet…but also I’m not sure how an outtie of her would ever be allowed because as you say, Gemma is dead and confirmed dead…hmmmmm….

[Niamh.]

…yes that’s exactly what I was thinking/that Miss Haung is Gemma taking her steps/going through her stages…at first when the pregnancy was shown, I thought…could she be their child…?…but I’m wondering what the connection with the goat room and the cloning and why she can only ‘advance’ so many steps each day and why they can’t allow her to leave and go into the outtie world because she isn’t complete yet…but also I’m not sure how an outtie of her would ever be allowed because as you say, Gemma is dead and confirmed dead…hmmmmm….

yes I said that to Gav too about Miss Haung being her daughter but then two minutes later she miscarried.

What do we think as well about her being told that Mark was remarried and had a daughter? An outright lie (most likely) or could be true and this could be years later than we think and Helly or Helena is pregnant?

[Ammi]

yes I said that to Gav too about Miss Haung being her daughter but then two minutes later she miscarried.

What do we think as well about her being told that Mark was remarried and had a daughter? An outright lie (most likely) or could be true and this could be years later than we think and Helly or Helena is pregnant?

…yeah, it could be a lie to help to try to deter her from wanting to find Mark…I mean, maybe they haven’t transplanted the memory of Mark/Gemma’s life but are trying to erase it …but I also have felt that maybe Helena was pregnant and that, that was her intention…

[Jessica.]

Miss Huang is a different type of Asian than Gemma so I doubt it.

[Ammi]

…the title of episode 7 is Chikhai Bardo…



Chikhai Bardo is a Transitionary Phase Between Death and Rebirth…

The meaning of the title ‘Chikhai Bardo’ can only be explained by introducing the Buddhist transitional state of “bardo.” After the death of the Buddha, several scholars associated with Buddhism proposed the supposed existence of a liminal state between death and rebirth. Tibetan Buddhism followed this claim and divided life, death, and rebirth into six states, forming six bardos. While the first three concern varying states of living, the fourth one, Chikhai bardo, explains the apparent state that begins with the dying process and ends with the final external and internal breath. In other words, Chikhai bardo is a phrase used to describe the process of dying ahead of a rebirth.

[Ammi]

…still clueless, though…

[Niamh.]

Miss Huang is a different type of Asian than Gemma so I doubt it.

They're both mixed race with one white parent and one Asian parent (doesn't really say where Miss Huangs Asian parent is from, Gemma's mother is Tibetan) So while their Asian parents may not be from the same country I think it's probably ambiguous enough to get away with them playing the same character :shrug: It is acting after all

[bots]

Wasn't Gemma in dexter? :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Wasn't Gemma in dexter? :laugh:

Not that I recall? as who?

[bots]

Not that I recall? as who?

No, i made a mistake, it was agents of Shield she was in

[user104658]

Caught up last night! And yes I'd agree with the likely theories that Gemma is a clone (especially with the goats), the techniques they've used to create Severance are also being used experimentally to transfer consciousness entirely from one body to a new clone body - I would add to that, though, that if it's the case it seems likely that Gemma was somehow involved (e.g. had an implant) BEFORE her accident, or possibly, Lumon briefly had access to her after the accident but before she died. I don't know how they'd have "harvested" her memories otherwise.

Also possibly a good call with Ms Huang being a 2.0 clone.

They're also doing a lot of talking about souls/soulmates... and one clear thing they're indicating is that Helly R and Mark S, and both of their outies, seem to feel a "connection" to each other no matter which "version" they're in. Same with Irving and Burt, and Dylan and his wife. And yet Mark S (innie) and Ms Casey didn't seem to feel that connection or any recognition... potentially, because she is a "copy" of Gemma not any form of the original, thus will discover that their "innate" connection isn't there.

I'm also pretty sure they'll all end up being reintegrated which will be interesting to see. It's been shown that they basically ARE the same people - Mark S innie and outie are basically very similar in all ways. Irving seemed different but in the end, his "outie" personality started to come through in his "innie". Dylan is an interesting one because he's just a version of himself that "found something he's good at" and feels confident in himself because of that, whereas his "outie" is aimless and a bit depressed because he feels useless. Helly R will be the most interesting IMO because "innie" Helly firmly for obvious reasons wants to believe that they are nothing alike, but in all likelihood, "innie" Helly is what "outie" Helena would be like if she hadn't been raised in the family she was raised in; the person she's become as an "outie" is strongly corrupted by power/her relationship with her father... so when they reintegrate it may change "outie Helly" significantly (i.e. she'll end or change Lumon when it passes to her)

My theorising :D

[Niamh.]

Caught up last night! And yes I'd agree with the likely theories that Gemma is a clone (especially with the goats), the techniques they've used to create Severance are also being used experimentally to transfer consciousness entirely from one body to a new clone body - I would add to that, though, that if it's the case it seems likely that Gemma was somehow involved (e.g. had an implant) BEFORE her accident, or possibly, Lumon briefly had access to her after the accident but before she died. I don't know how they'd have "harvested" her memories otherwise.

Also possibly a good call with Ms Huang being a 2.0 clone.

They're also doing a lot of talking about souls/soulmates... and one clear thing they're indicating is that Helly R and Mark S, and both of their outies, seem to feel a "connection" to each other no matter which "version" they're in. Same with Irving and Burt, and Dylan and his wife. And yet Mark S (innie) and Ms Casey didn't seem to feel that connection or any recognition... potentially, because she is a "copy" of Gemma not any form of the original, thus will discover that their "innate" connection isn't there.

I'm also pretty sure they'll all end up being reintegrated which will be interesting to see. It's been shown that they basically ARE the same people - Mark S innie and outie are basically very similar in all ways. Irving seemed different but in the end, his "outie" personality started to come through in his "innie". Dylan is an interesting one because he's just a version of himself that "found something he's good at" and feels confident in himself because of that, whereas his "outie" is aimless and a bit depressed because he feels useless. Helly R will be the most interesting IMO because "innie" Helly firmly for obvious reasons wants to believe that they are nothing alike, but in all likelihood, "innie" Helly is what "outie" Helena would be like if she hadn't been raised in the family she was raised in; the person she's become as an "outie" is strongly corrupted by power/her relationship with her father... so when they reintegrate it may change "outie Helly" significantly (i.e. she'll end or change Lumon when it passes to her)

My theorising :D

You would have to wonder though even if we assume Gemma somehow consented to Luman having access to her brain or whatever, how could they be sure Mark S would choose to sign up for Severence afterwards so they could complete the mission?

[bots]

i think every time Gemma gets woken up its a new clone with memory retention somehow. So basically the longest time a clone was alive was her 8 hour day watching Helly

[Niamh.]

i think every time Gemma gets woken up its a new clone with memory retention somehow. So basically the longest time a clone was alive was her 8 hour day watching Helly


hhhmmmmm I don't know about that

[Niamh.]

Also

What do we think the "work" on the computers is that the Innies are doing? What's the relevance to it? Maybe specific dates that mean something or?

[bots]

Also

What do we think the "work" on the computers is that the Innies are doing? What's the relevance to it? Maybe specific dates that mean something or?


i think it's some form of emotional manipulation that they are training their AI on

[Niamh.]

i think it's some form of emotional manipulation that they are training their AI on


How do you mean?

[bots]

How do you mean?


they are teaching their computers to emotionally manipulate people

[Ammi]

…if I recall in the Goat Room, one of the goat people said ‘you can’t take them, they’re not ready yet, it isn’t time …’…and I feel as though Gemma has to take the room steps each day and repeat and repeat until she’s ready/perfectly cloned…the dreaded dentist room was interesting because maybe she had to keep repeating it until she didn’t dread or hate it, until she was fine with it and they’d severed her emotions…?…she’s obviously still holding on to her love for Mark so she can’t be ready yet for that reason either…in the Goat Room they were also asked if they were there to kill them…which might be the fate of a clone that for whatever reason is flawed or whatever…that they just can’t get right…maybe the numbers on the screens somehow align for a perfect clone match….and those that don’t connect and have to be discarded…with Quantum’s soulmate thing…?…that feels that it might be less soulmates and more fertility mates and creating the perfect children…like super babies or something…

[user104658]

…if I recall in the Goat Room, one of the goat people said ‘you can’t take them, they’re not ready yet, it isn’t time …’…and I feel as though Gemma has to take the room steps each day and repeat and repeat until she’s ready/perfectly cloned…the dreaded dentist room was interesting because maybe she had to keep repeating it until she didn’t dread or hate it, until she was fine with it and they’d severed her emotions…?…she’s obviously still holding on to her love for Mark so she can’t be ready yet for that reason either…in the Goat Room they were also asked if they were there to kill them…which might be the fate of a clone that for whatever reason is flawed or whatever…that they just can’t get right…maybe the numbers on the screens somehow align for a perfect clone match….and those that don’t connect and have to be discarded…with Quantum’s soulmate thing…?…that feels that it might be less soulmates and more fertility mates and creating the perfect children…like super babies or something…

I dunno, unless they have some REALLY advanced technology going on, I don't think Irving and Burt are going to be creating any superbabies :D. That would be a REAL twist...

[Niamh.]

I dunno, unless they have some REALLY advanced technology going on, I don't think Irving and Burt are going to be creating any superbabies :D. That would be a REAL twist...

Little serial killer babies :worry:

[user104658]

Sort of a spanner in a prominent theory...

Re: The theory that Ms Huang is a Gemma clone, that would mean she's just a younger Gemma, and while people CAN look quite different as kids (especially in TV land) ... ... what I am finding unrealistic...

No wait I just solved this myself but I'll post it anyway. I was going to say, Mark S would know what Gemma looked like as a kid, from pictures etc. because who hasn't seen their spouse as a kid.

But then I realised that Outie Mark has never seen Ms Huang, and innie Mark S doesn't know sh1t :joker:.

[Niamh.]

Sort of a spanner in a prominent theory...

Re: The theory that Ms Huang is a Gemma clone, that would mean she's just a younger Gemma, and while people CAN look quite different as kids (especially in TV land) ... ... what I am finding unrealistic...

No wait I just solved this myself but I'll post it anyway. I was going to say, Mark S would know what Gemma looked like as a kid, from pictures etc. because who hasn't seen their spouse as a kid.

But then I realised that Outie Mark has never seen Ms Huang, and innie Mark S doesn't know sh1t :joker:.

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[Jessica.]

The creators already said in an interview that the twist has nothing to do with cloning.

Also lumon was gathering information on Mark and Gemma for years, the blood drive, the fertility clinic, probably Mark's therapist etc.. They might have found a quality in Gemma or both of them that they wanted for something, that's my view anyway.

[user104658]

I like this theorising mystery-show thread by the way - you should all watch "From" so that we can have a "From theories" thread too - the internet theories and sleuthing for that show are hilarious :joker:. "Lost"-level conspiracy theories.

[edit] OK nothing will ever reach "Lost"-level, that's an exaggeration.

[Niamh.]

I like this theorising mystery-show thread by the way - you should all watch "From" so that we can have a "From theories" thread too - the internet theories and sleuthing for that show are hilarious :joker:. "Lost"-level conspiracy theories.

[edit] OK nothing will ever reach "Lost"-level, that's an exaggeration.

I think we all do watch From. BOTs and Ammi do anyway. Do you Jess?

[user104658]

I think we all do watch From. BOTs and Ammi do anyway. Do you Jess?

It's another I had to catch up on - we started it at the end of October and had already caught up before S3 finished airing in the US :joker:.

[Benjamin]

I think we all do watch From. BOTs and Ammi do anyway. Do you Jess?

Rude. Forgetting me. :oh:

[Niamh.]

It's another I had to catch up on - we started it at the end of October and had already caught up before S3 finished airing in the US :joker:.

It's very addictive

Rude. Forgetting me. :oh:

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[Jessica.]

I think we all do watch From. BOTs and Ammi do anyway. Do you Jess?

I doooo

[Niamh.]

I doooo

We love a good mystery :laugh:

[Jessica.]

We love a good mystery :laugh:

Yeah, I really enjoy a show that makes me ponder!

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I really enjoy a show that makes me ponder!

Yeah me too, I enjoy these threads too where we can throw around some theories

[Ammi]

Yeah me too, I enjoy these threads too where we can throw around some theories

…we all always have the best mystery theories here…I mean, they might not be the correct ones but they’re genius…

[Niamh.]

…we all always have the best mystery theories here…I mean, they might not be the correct ones but they’re genius…

The GOAT you might say :smug:

[Ammi]

The GOAT you might say :smug:

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[Niamh.]

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[bots]

Didn't Bri ask to see their stomachs in the goat field, that must surely be a big clue to the cloning

[Ammi]

Didn't Bri ask to see their stomachs in the goat field, that must surely be a big clue to the cloning


…was it specifically their belly buttons..?…they wanted to see if they were innies or outties…

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[Ammi]

…I mean, and totally disregarding the creators saying that cloning isn’t a part of the storyline because IT’s a CONSPIRACY and they don’t want us to fathom what’s going on…!!!!!….but clones would have been created and not born so they wouldn’t have an umbilical cord so wouldn't have a belly button..goat people were checking if they were human or clone …

[Ammi]

…actually no, thinking about it…they were checking to see if they had belly pouches so disregard the above…for now… we’ll come back to it later after we’ve done a pouch theory…

[Ammi]

…I mean, Milchick is definitely a clone…he’s so emotionless and robotic…

[bots]

…was it specifically their belly buttons..?…they wanted to see if they were innies or outties…

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i went back and checked, and they were looking to see if they had pouches :joker:

[Ammi]

i went back and checked, and they were looking to see if they had pouches :joker:

…yeah as above, I recalled that as well…pouches doesn’t really work with the innie/outtie joke though, does it…

[Ammi]

i went back and checked, and they were looking to see if they had pouches :joker:

…ahaaaa…https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbDh4Y2lkNWFlamV4MzRpbDNxenV3cHF tOGk0NjRreGNtNzN3MHdvbCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/xF9wXCbY163imeVxAf/giphy.gif…so they’re looking to nurture/grow foetus outside of the womb and body/in pouches…and they’re keeping Gemma to trial this on as she miscarried inside the room so the6 want her to be a test subject…or did Lumon cause her to miscarry…so not cloning as such but looking to ‘grow humans’ and then they have to develop their human feelings/emotions as well…maybe the work they’re doing on the screen is connected to ‘discarding’ some of the ‘reject feelings’ that aren’t human enough…?….

[Ammi]

…but that’s why Lumon’s interest in the fertility clinic…

[bots]

…but that’s why Lumon’s interest in the fertility clinic…

in the room right at the beginning of episode 1, Heli said something like .... did you grow me for food :laugh:

[Ammi]

in the room right at the beginning of episode 1, Heli said something like .... did you grow me for food :laugh:

….hmmm, so on the screens with the numbers…?…they’re looking at human DNA type stuff and deciding which humans will be ‘feeders’ and go on to the next stage/the next development room as it were and which are ‘rejects’ and will become food to the super being pouch people…

[Ammi]

…the screen task/process thing definitely has the vibe of a refining and rejecting that is either binned or passed over to the next stage…and if the creators have said that it is t about cloning then it could be developing pregnancy/humans outside of the womb…

[Niamh.]

…was it specifically their belly buttons..?…they wanted to see if they were innies or outties…



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:laugh2: well played ma'am

[Jessica.]

The Severance procedure is basically designed for people to do things they don't want to remember, all of the things Gemma is forced to do are things people wouldn't want to do or remember. At the end of S1 the Egan guy said that soon everyone would have a chip so it seems like they'll be marketing to a wider audience for more than just a desk job. Walk into your dentist appointment? Bam! Severed! Want a tattoo without the pain? Make your innie do it. Etc.. It seems that Gemma's role is just making sure that will work, even if people do it for multiple different things.

[Niamh.]

Sounds like the plot line to the movie Click.....which funnily enough Burt was also in as the one pushing it on Adam Sandlers character [emoji848]

[bots]

The tasks that the macro data people do all have names and I think, although i'm not certain, that the names on the doors that gemma passed on her dentist day included some of those task names, so i think the team are training clones, at least, that's my latest speculation :laugh: I think it's also known as the testing floor

[Ammi]

…so a perfected trauma healing program…?…as Niamh said, like Click and also tones of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind…the dentist room has two traumas…/the treatment and the creepy dentist….so with Mark, is his trauma to be healed, the grief of losing Gemma…?…

[bots]

…so a perfected trauma healing program…?…as Niamh said, like Click and also tones of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind…the dentist room has two traumas…/the treatment and the creepy dentist….so with Mark, is his trauma to be healed, the grief of losing Gemma…?…

the tasks could all be trauma inducing/inhibiting functions that Gemma is then subjected to :shocked:

[Niamh.]

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[user104658]

The Severance procedure is basically designed for people to do things they don't want to remember, all of the things Gemma is forced to do are things people wouldn't want to do or remember. At the end of S1 the Egan guy said that soon everyone would have a chip so it seems like they'll be marketing to a wider audience for more than just a desk job. Walk into your dentist appointment? Bam! Severed! Want a tattoo without the pain? Make your innie do it. Etc.. It seems that Gemma's role is just making sure that will work, even if people do it for multiple different things.

Yes and we already know it's being trialed in the real world for I guess what you'd call "VIPs" - people already linked with Lumon - i.e. the woman that Mark's sister met at the "birthing cabins" who had been severed while she had the baby (and potentially for the whole pregnancy or at least the final stages?)

[Jessica.]

Who would have known that HARMONY COBEL WAS THE GENIUS BEHIND SEVERANCE???

[Ammi]

Who would have known that HARMONY COBEL WAS THE GENIUS BEHIND SEVERANCE???

…OMG…!!!!!!!….I'm throwing out all my theories….time to regroup, I reckon…

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[Ammi]

…I love this series…!!!!!!….that was another first class episode…/…haunting, Harmony is such a great character…

[Benjamin]

a harmony episode yeeeees

She’s out for vengeance now!

[Ammi]

a harmony episode yeeeees

She’s out for vengeance now!

…his words…come and tame these tempers…

We’re perched and ready!!!!!!!!!!for Harmony V Helena…!!!!!….

[Jessica.]

…his words…come and tame these tempers…

We’re perched and ready!!!!!!!!!!for Harmony V Helena…!!!!!….

Yesssss

[bots]

it was another quite different episode, though i did enjoy it.


The bit where she put the tube in the machine and lay on the bed and put it in her mouth was a bit weird :laugh:

[Ammi]

it was another quite different episode, though i did enjoy it.


The bit where she put the tube in the machine and lay on the bed and put it in her mouth was a bit weird :laugh:


…I’m not sure 8 episodes in on second season whether we’d still recognise ‘a bit weird’ over any other bit weirdness…:laugh:…

[bots]

…I’m not sure 8 episodes in on second season whether we’d still recognise ‘a bit weird’ over any other bit weirdness…:laugh:…

there is weird ..... and then there is weeeeeird :laugh:

[Jessica.]

bots I think it was a reference to how she's childish and she's imitating her mother as a way of remembering her. She didn't have a childhood where she could learn healthy coping.

[bots]

bots I think it was a reference to how she's childish and she's imitating her mother as a way of remembering her. She didn't have a childhood where she could learn healthy coping.

i think it was indoctrination from birth

[Niamh.]

The plot thickens . . .

[bots]

will it be another 3 years till the next season? :fist:

[Niamh.]

I thought there was only going to be 2 seasons altogether, clearly not though

[user104658]

will it be another 3 years till the next season? :fist:

They've only just started writing for it so... I'd say at least 2 years...

[Ammi]

… devour feculence…!!!!!!!!!!!…..

…when Milchick said that to Mr Drummond….https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZjR1dW1qNGQ3c2dvZjRvbXB1Y3FoMW4 xbTVqczB3amdoaXh4dXp6cyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/o75ajIFH0QnQC3nCeD/giphy.gif.https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZjR1dW1qNGQ3c2dvZjRvbXB1Y3FoMW4 xbTVqczB3amdoaXh4dXp6cyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/o75ajIFH0QnQC3nCeD/giphy.gif

[Jessica.]

… devour feculence…!!!!!!!!!!!…..

…when Milchick said that to Mr Drummond….https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZjR1dW1qNGQ3c2dvZjRvbXB1Y3FoMW4 xbTVqczB3amdoaXh4dXp6cyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/o75ajIFH0QnQC3nCeD/giphy.gif.https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZjR1dW1qNGQ3c2dvZjRvbXB1Y3FoMW4 xbTVqczB3amdoaXh4dXp6cyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/o75ajIFH0QnQC3nCeD/giphy.gif

He's deconstructing!!!

[Benjamin]

I’m so excited for the finale next week.

[Mystic Mock]

I've been rewatching Season 1 to refresh myself for Season 2.

I enjoyed Season 1 more this time around, it has some clever twists and it always felt like the Show had a clear direction of where it wanted to go.

I have only seen the first two episodes of Season 2 so far, but I am concerned that it's a bit more aimless this season, and possibly recycling certain storylines from Season 1, but maybe I'm overthinking it too much tbf.

And without meaning to sound hateful towards a child, but why have we got a child working at Lumon? It's slightly annoying how so many stories these days try to shoehorn children into the plot, even if it's a bit unnatural for the story to have them beyond a bit part role at best.

I do still like the characters though, and the actors have got back into their roles well in my view.

[bots]

episode 9 was so good, all set for the season finale

[Benjamin]

I've been rewatching Season 1 to refresh myself for Season 2.

I enjoyed Season 1 more this time around, it has some clever twists and it always felt like the Show had a clear direction of where it wanted to go.

I have only seen the first two episodes of Season 2 so far, but I am concerned that it's a bit more aimless this season, and possibly recycling certain storylines from Season 1, but maybe I'm overthinking it too much tbf.

And without meaning to sound hateful towards a child, but why have we got a child working at Lumon? It's slightly annoying how so many stories these days try to shoehorn children into the plot, even if it's a bit unnatural for the story to have them beyond a bit part role at best.

I do still like the characters though, and the actors have got back into their roles well in my view.

The child does play an important role though, you’ll see the further you get in.

[Mystic Mock]

The child does play an important role though, you’ll see the further you get in.

Fair enough on that, I just wish that it was an adult portraying the character instead.

[bots]

the actress referred to as a child is 18 years old

[Benjamin]

Fair enough on that, I just wish that it was an adult portraying the character instead.

Oh no she’s perfect for this part. Once you watch further you’ll understand why.

[user104658]

the actress referred to as a child is 18 years old

That's most likely because of the extra red tape involved in hiring actual child actors; same reason that in shows like Dawson's Creek, The OC, One Tree Hill etc. most of the time the high school kids are actually full adults in their 20's. Cordelia in Buffy The Vampire Slayer was 29 when it started :joker:.

But yes she's 18 but hired because she looks young; I think the Miss Huang character is probably supposed to be around 14-15?

[Jessica.]

the actress referred to as a child is 18 years old

She was 16 when they started filming and it's been said in interviews and such that she's playing a child.

I quoted the wrong post but whatever

[Mystic Mock]

the actress referred to as a child is 18 years old

The character is clearly not 18 years old though.

[Mystic Mock]

Oh no she’s perfect for this part. Once you watch further you’ll understand why.

Fair enough, I am probably just being jaded because a lot of Anime do like to force child characters into major roles just for the sake of it. And a lot of Shows in America do feel like they're trying to replicate what Stranger Things was able to pull off in the streaming world.

But if her writing ends up being well written then fair enough I suppose.

[Ammi]

…I thought that the scene in last episode with Milchick and Miss Huang was very unsettling…

…when he ordered her to destroy her favourite toy/the hoop game and to keep on hitting it harder with the hammer…it really displayed the power and control over a young mind and is that a part of Lumon and their interest in the fertility clinic….that they choose minds/children from birth that they’re going to control to mould into their people…did Milchick order her to destroy it to just display that control or was it to symbolise an ending to her childhood, that she had no need for a ‘child toy’ anymore…


…the Finale episode is apparently extended to 76 minutes …that’s outtie minutes….

[user104658]

My memory is not amazing sometimes so remind me - do we know much about pre-Lumon Milchick i.e. his childhood and growing up... is it ever stated that Milchick also came up through the Wintertide programme? Is there dialogue that alludes to or outright states that that I've forgotten or do we assume it to be the case that it's the same "pathway" for all of them?

Also interesting that there's now ample evidence that it's a failed brainwashing; with Cobel, Miss Huang and then Milchick himself all showing signs of (what Lumon would see as) unprofessionalism/insubordination

[bots]

My memory is not amazing sometimes so remind me - do we know much about pre-Lumon Milchick i.e. his childhood and growing up... is it ever stated that Milchick also came up through the Wintertide programme? Is there dialogue that alludes to or outright states that that I've forgotten or do we assume it to be the case that it's the same "pathway" for all of them?

Also interesting that there's now ample evidence that it's a failed brainwashing; with Cobel, Miss Huang and then Milchick himself all showing signs of (what Lumon would see as) unprofessionalism/insubordination


my observation is that the more the subordinates rebel, the more the management levels lose their own indoctrination. What i'm confused about is why Gemma will die if they finish their current task

[Ammi]

My memory is not amazing sometimes so remind me - do we know much about pre-Lumon Milchick i.e. his childhood and growing up... is it ever stated that Milchick also came up through the Wintertide programme? Is there dialogue that alludes to or outright states that that I've forgotten or do we assume it to be the case that it's the same "pathway" for all of them?

Also interesting that there's now ample evidence that it's a failed brainwashing; with Cobel, Miss Huang and then Milchick himself all showing signs of (what Lumon would see as) unprofessionalism/insubordination

…he’s the guy that put rhythm into Lumon is who he is…no one’s got moves like Milchick moves…

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[Ammi]

…but though…

…maybe there is more than one Milchick, like with the goat room…the insubordinate Milchick is not ready yet/not refined yet…still in his process of some kind of pure indoctrination…

[Niamh.]

My memory is not amazing sometimes so remind me - do we know much about pre-Lumon Milchick i.e. his childhood and growing up... is it ever stated that Milchick also came up through the Wintertide programme? Is there dialogue that alludes to or outright states that that I've forgotten or do we assume it to be the case that it's the same "pathway" for all of them?

Also interesting that there's now ample evidence that it's a failed brainwashing; with Cobel, Miss Huang and then Milchick himself all showing signs of (what Lumon would see as) unprofessionalism/insubordination

I don't think there was much back story at all about Milchick. I think I'll probably rewatch the whole thing when this season is over

[Ammi]

…for anyone who wants to look into and read it, there is apparently a free Apple companion e-book written by the Severance creators and it covers more of the characters and their back stories…Milchick is featured in there…

https://severance.wiki/lexington_letter#:~:text=Severance%3A%20The%20Lexi ngton%20Letter%2C%20or,free%20download%20through%2 0Apple%20Books.

[Niamh.]

Oh thanks Ammi :love:

[user104658]

Is there anything else worth watching on Apple TV? I'm currently paying an £8.99/month sub just for Severance. Trying to be a responsible adult and not use the ... alternative sources ... for telly so I have like £50+ in TV subs at the moment :idc:. I guess if there's not I'll just cancel when the season ends until S3 :joker:.

[user104658]

For those interested that's Netflix, Prime, Paramount+, Disney, Apple, Crunchyroll (Anime sub, my eldest is a little weeb) and on-and-off I have to sub to Now TV (From, HOTD etc.) ... and NowTV is an awful platform, borderline unusable.

[Jessica.]

Is there anything else worth watching on Apple TV? I'm currently paying an £8.99/month sub just for Severance. Trying to be a responsible adult and not use the ... alternative sources ... for telly so I have like £50+ in TV subs at the moment :idc:. I guess if there's not I'll just cancel when the season ends until S3 :joker:.

Foundation and Silo are very good and I also like Ted Lasso

[bots]

Is there anything else worth watching on Apple TV? I'm currently paying an £8.99/month sub just for Severance. Trying to be a responsible adult and not use the ... alternative sources ... for telly so I have like £50+ in TV subs at the moment :idc:. I guess if there's not I'll just cancel when the season ends until S3 :joker:.

Slow horses is brilliant.

[Ammi]

Quantum Boy …yeah, I was just about to say Slow Horses as well, that’s an excellent series and Silo as well as Jess said…I haven’t watched Foundation…

…Bad Sisters is a good watch and H/Jack with Idris Elba…I really liked Lady in the Lake but I’m not sure if it’ll be your thang or no…The Crowded Room is an excellent watch and. Lack Bird is very gripping, that’s the first series I watched on Apple…Shining Girls is an excellent watch…and Servant is a bit different…:laugh:…

…with movies, The Gorge is a fun watch…/…I would recommend…

[Benjamin]

Is there anything else worth watching on Apple TV? I'm currently paying an £8.99/month sub just for Severance. Trying to be a responsible adult and not use the ... alternative sources ... for telly so I have like £50+ in TV subs at the moment :idc:. I guess if there's not I'll just cancel when the season ends until S3 :joker:.

Silo.

[Mystic Mock]

Is there anything else worth watching on Apple TV? I'm currently paying an £8.99/month sub just for Severance. Trying to be a responsible adult and not use the ... alternative sources ... for telly so I have like £50+ in TV subs at the moment :idc:. I guess if there's not I'll just cancel when the season ends until S3 :joker:.

Silo is really good.

[bots]

i honestly thought the second season of silo was boring as hell, i couldn't watch it more than a couple of episodes. Way too slow for my taste. Slow is sometimes fine if the story is riveting, but it just didn't do it for me

[Niamh.]

i honestly thought the second season of silo was boring as hell, i couldn't watch it more than a couple of episodes. Way too slow for my taste. Slow is sometimes fine if the story is riveting, but it just didn't do it for meMe too, I stopped watching it

[Jessica.]

Two more sleeps until the best episode of television of the year.

[Niamh.]

Two more sleeps until the best episode of television of the year.

Can't wait! My stream doesn't seem to appear till a day or 2 after though :worry:

[Benjamin]

i honestly thought the second season of silo was boring as hell, i couldn't watch it more than a couple of episodes. Way too slow for my taste. Slow is sometimes fine if the story is riveting, but it just didn't do it for me

Me too, I stopped watching it

Ohh it was good. It was slow to start I’ll give you that but it picked up.

[Jessica.]

Can't wait! My stream doesn't seem to appear till a day or 2 after though :worry:

Oh no, it comes out at 3am Friday morning so I always watch it t really early!!

[Niamh.]

Oh no, it comes out at 3am Friday morning so I always watch it t really early!!

I have to avoid this thread like the plague :laugh:

[Benjamin]

I have to avoid this thread like the plague :laugh:

I’m going to post spoilers on your wall :hehe:

[Niamh.]

I’m going to post spoilers on your wall :hehe::oh:

[Mystic Mock]

Episode 7 was really good I thought, easily the best episode of the Season imo.

Irving and Burt's stuff was interesting in episode 6 as well imo, definitely will be good to see how that develops going forward.

Episode 8 happened, hopefully 9 & 10 will be a lot better.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

i honestly thought the second season of silo was boring as hell, i couldn't watch it more than a couple of episodes. Way too slow for my taste. Slow is sometimes fine if the story is riveting, but it just didn't do it for me

Tbh I have yet to watch Season 2.

I did really enjoy Season 1 though.

[Benjamin]

Episode 7 was really good I thought, easily the best episode of the Season imo.

Irving and Burt's stuff was interesting in episode 6 as well imo, definitely will be good to see how that develops going forward.

Episode 8 happened, hopefully 9 & 10 will be a lot better.:laugh:

Episode 8 was great. Giving the back story to Harmony and why she is now so angry.

[Ammi]

i honestly thought the second season of silo was boring as hell, i couldn't watch it more than a couple of episodes. Way too slow for my taste. Slow is sometimes fine if the story is riveting, but it just didn't do it for me

Me too, I stopped watching it

…at one point I thought that Silo was going to let us down with the second season as well…but it really came through with its momentum of the storyline/past and present and laid the foundation for season 3…I might have even preferred it to the first season in the end…I would say that it equalled it, anyway…

[Mystic Mock]

Episode 8 was great. Giving the back story to Harmony and why she is now so angry.

It just felt like the whole thing could've been a B-plot to one of the other episodes imo.

[bots]

It just felt like the whole thing could've been a B-plot to one of the other episodes imo.



Harmony was the brains behind the entire severance program, so she is hardly a sub plot :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Harmony was the brains behind the entire severance program, so she is hardly a sub plot :laugh:


I'm talking about the information could've been given in say episode 5 or 6.

I honestly don't think that we needed an entire episode on Harmony hanging around random characters for most of the episode just to get one important piece of information.

That's just my personal opinion anyway.

[bots]

I'm talking about the information could've been given in say episode 5 or 6.

I honestly don't think that we needed an entire episode on Harmony hanging around random characters for most of the episode just to get one important piece of information.

That's just my personal opinion anyway.


they showed where harmony came from, They showed how the last generation of lumon workers were all addicted to ether. They showed how lumon uses the resources of a town and then moves on and forgets it. They showed how ether, the all purpose health remedy was the precursor to the whole severance project. It was about a lot more than Harmony

[Mystic Mock]

they showed where harmony came from, They showed how the last generation of lumon workers were all addicted to ether. They showed how lumon uses the resources of a town and then moves on and forgets it. They showed how ether, the all purpose health remedy was the precursor to the whole severance project. It was about a lot more than Harmony


And I still think that all of that could've been condensed into a B-plot of another episode.

I honestly don't think that the material was strong enough on it's own to be it's own episode, with no B-plot from any other character in the Show.

I get that you see it differently to me, and I understand some of the points that you're making, but I still think that the quality of the episode was impacted by the material being very dragged out rather than condensed into a 10-15 minute segment.

Or make the episode longer than 37 minutes so that another (hopefully more interesting storyline) could play alongside Harmony's story.

I personally can understand why it is the lowest ranked episode of the Show's run on IMDB.

[bots]

Mock, i think you just want to criticise the series for whatever reason you have. Maybe you don't view it the same way as others, nothing wrong with that, but trashing an episode for not being important, when i have just spent several posts explaining why it's important, is bordering on the insulting.

I'm enjoying the series, you obviously are not. Lets leave it at that

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, i think you just want to criticise the series for whatever reason you have. Maybe you don't view it the same way as others, nothing wrong with that, but trashing an episode for not being important, when i have just spent several posts explaining why it's important, is bordering on the insulting.

I'm enjoying the series, you obviously are not. Lets leave it at that

I don't dislike the Show, I do think that the second Season is weaker than the first Season, but I do still think that the Show is better than a lot of stuff out there.

It's not an agenda on my part, I do believe that the execution of the episode (which I have mentioned my opinion of the quality of the episode) could've been better.

And just because something in a story is important doesn't make it good or warranting an entire episode dedicated to it imo.

And I don't get how having a difference of opinion on the importance of an episode is insulting? With all due respect I think that you have gone and overreacted slightly to a Forum disagreement over a storyline in a TV Show.

The episode has been divisive, which ironically represents both sides of the debate that we've both been having on here.

But people disagreeing over a TV Show episode is natural, especially on a Forum where we tend to explain our POV more than we probably would irl as obviously we all don't know each other that personally.

But me having some negative opinions on Severance is not me "not enjoying the Show" it's me just having personal flaws with a Show that I do like.

I even have flaws with Battlestar Galactica's Reimagining series, and that Show is one of my favourite Shows of all time.

Basically we'll just have to agree to disagree on the quality of episode 8 of Severance.

[user104658]

Have to say I don't disagree with you Mock, while enjoying the episode and understanding that it was an important one, the pacing of it was off for a weekly-release series. I believe the run-time was also shorter than most episodes, and the lore/exposition while important wasn't enough to carry a full episode. I think it was a half-episode's worth or writing. However the issue is that in tone it would have felt jarring to have the focus shift mid-episode, or switch settings throughout, I understand why they didn't take that route also.

I actually think the issue here is it being weekly release - the episode would have been absolutely fine in a full-season drop show, or even as a "double release" or bonus episode alongside another full episode - buuut I also understand that this is a lore/discussion show and part of the appeal for many will be the wait and pondering between episodes.

(On a personal level that's less important for me, because when we "binge" shows, me and my wife tend to watch just one episode per day and thus have a full day, and a person at the same point in the show, for pondering and discussing theories for a day before the next ep)

Anyway that was a lot of text to say, I can see where you're both coming from. I think it was a good episode - but I think it was paced oddly and spread slightly thin for a weekly release schedule.

[user104658]

Interestingly Mock my criticism of Battlestar is similar - I love it start to finish, it's easily a top-tier space/sci-fi series on a level that most shows never reach, BUT there are a few points where it has serious "pacing" issues.

[bots]

One thing is certain, everything is setup for a massive season finale, so that's likely to disappoint a lot of people :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Interestingly Mock my criticism of Battlestar is similar - I love it start to finish, it's easily a top-tier space/sci-fi series on a level that most shows never reach, BUT there are a few points where it has serious "pacing" issues.

Season 4 in particular had a fair few issues starting to crop up on the programme imo.

I actually did enjoy the last ever episode controversially.:laugh:

I always wonder if Galactica would've benefited from a 5th Season? To pace some of their storylines endings out better.

I understand where you're coming from with your first post as well, I just wanted to add that as I didn't really want to be ignorant to your points that you were making in the post.

[Mystic Mock]

One thing is certain, everything is setup for a massive season finale, so that's likely to disappoint a lot of people :laugh:

Fair point.:laugh:

[user104658]

One thing is certain, everything is setup for a massive season finale, so that's likely to disappoint a lot of people :laugh:

Braced for an untimely "cliffhanger" and a 3-year wait for S3? :worry:

[Ammi]

…a little season finale trailer snippet for anyone who wishes to watch it…

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[Niamh.]

https://media.tenor.com/UXT0aoQb4D0AAAAM/heavenly-joy-jerkins-i-am-so-excited.gif

[bots]

Does anyone here think Gemma and Mark are going to have a happy ending? :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Does anyone here think Gemma and Mark are going to have a happy ending? :laugh:

nah, Imark is more likely to have a happy ending with Helly R :laugh:

[Ammi]

nah, Imark is more likely to have a happy ending with Helly R :laugh:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/3pD70yvY0XUAAAAd/kim-woodburn.gif

[Niamh.]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/3pD70yvY0XUAAAAd/kim-woodburn.gif

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[bots]

i think the acting in series 2 has been quite superb

[Niamh.]

i think the acting in series 2 has been quite superb

Yeah it really has

[Jessica.]

One thing is certain, everything is setup for a massive season finale, so that's likely to disappoint a lot of people :laugh:

All of the reviews from people who got to view it early say it's brilliant!

[Niamh.]

All of the reviews from people who got to view it early say it's brilliant!

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