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Crimson Dynamo

05-10-2023, 08:10 AM

I would have no issue if they were there on merit, like Kelly Dalglish, Hazel Irvine or the excellent Leanne Crichton in Scotland but like the shoehorning in of minorities on tv, they are not. Its just middle-class white TV people virtue-signalling for imagined likes.

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bots

05-10-2023, 08:22 AM

i don't care. Of all the things to worry about in the world, a lady commentator is way down the list. The majority of male commentators and pundits talk crap, so why not the ladies too?

arista

05-10-2023, 08:26 AM

i don't care. Of all the things to worry about in the world, a lady commentator is way down the list. The majority of male commentators and pundits talk crap, so why not the ladies too?

Some ladies are on TV
only because they are a Lady.

That's what the problem is.

bots

05-10-2023, 08:30 AM

Some ladies are on TV
only because they are a Lady.

That's what the problem is.

Some men are on tv, only because they are a man, indeed that is exactly what is being requested here

Crimson Dynamo

05-10-2023, 08:43 AM

Some men are on tv, only because they are a man, indeed that is exactly what is being requested here

who?

GiRTh

05-10-2023, 09:10 AM

who?Here we go again LT. Robbie Savage. No way should he be anywhere near a commentary booth. Also, Michael Owen. He talks drivel and he was the one who presented the show with Howard Webb on VAR analysis. Please list the qualifications you believe he has to fulfil such a role? He's not a journalist or trained interviewer but somehow he got the job :think:

Cherie

05-10-2023, 09:28 AM

Crimson Dynamo

05-10-2023, 09:29 AM

THis what he actually said:

"'The presenters we have now, some of the girls are so good, they are better than the
guys. It’s a great time for the ladies,' he said."

'There are some very, very good lady presenters and I’m working with one in two days’
time, Terry Yorath’s daughter, Gabby [Logan],' he said.

However, he claimed women pundits were not in a position to commentate on men's
football.

'If I see an England lady footballer saying about England against Scotland at Wembley
and she’s saying, "If I would have been in that position I would have done this", I don’t
think it’s quite the same,' he said.

'I don’t think it crosses over that much.'

Fair comment from King Kev

Livia

05-10-2023, 10:47 AM

Maybe women shouldn't be commenting on men's football. In the last couple of years the women have won the European cup and reached the final of the World Cup and all of them on a fraction of the salary the boys are making. This is something the lads haven't done for years and years. I don't see how they can possibly relate to an overpaid, overhyped, lackluster men's England side that always promises so much and delivers so little.

What irritates me about pundits and commentators is - and it's the males who are at fault for this - when they turn into a Fast Show sketch and talk absolute b******* for ninety minutes thinking they have to fill every unforgiving second with inane chatter. Comment on the game and keep your tedious anecdotes for your after dinner speaking work.
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Zizu

05-10-2023, 11:18 AM

i don't care. Of all the things to worry about in the world, a lady commentator is way down the list. The majority of male commentators and pundits talk crap, so why not the ladies too?

The guys are employed as they are well respected , well known ex players with loads of top level experience ..

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Zizu

05-10-2023, 11:18 AM

Some men are on tv, only because they are a man, indeed that is exactly what is being requested here

I disagree entirely

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Zizu

05-10-2023, 11:23 AM

Here we go again LT. Robbie Savage. No way should he be anywhere near a commentary booth. Also, Michael Owen. He talks drivel and he was the one who presented the show with Howard Webb on VAR analysis. Please list the qualifications you believe he has to fulfil such a role? He's not a journalist or trained interviewer but somehow he got the job :think:

Michael Owen wasn’t my fave player but he was the World Player and played at the very top with Liverpool, Real Madrid and England

Robbie Savage is a character who had a very long and successful career including time as international player .. footballing-wise he wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea as he was midfield grafter ( neither was Gary Neville who I love as a pundit ) .

At least we know they were good players and know what they’re talking about .

We have no idea if these women know the first thing about the game .

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Crimson Dynamo

05-10-2023, 11:25 AM

I rarely will watch a half time or pre-match after-match chat on tv

Better off on Talksport where its much more factual - team news, how will they line up and news from, other games

Zizu

05-10-2023, 11:28 AM

I didnt understand the reasoning for having an all female punditry line up at the Womens World Cup, I dont think that does anything for equality, there should have been one male pundit, I know wheeled Ian Wright onto the pitch at times but its not the same thing, if a female pundit is commentating at the mens WC then a male should commentate on the women

I’d prefer to have ex players we know to wirj the men’s games and have ex women players for women’s football ..

I hate it when we have two women and one guy discussing boxing and Rugby

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GiRTh

05-10-2023, 12:31 PM

Michael Owen wasn’t my fave player but he was the World Player and played at the very top with Liverpool, Real Madrid and England

Robbie Savage is a character who had a very long and successful career including time as international player .. footballing-wise he wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea as he was midfield grafter ( neither was Gary Neville who I love as a pundit ) .

At least we know they were good players and know what they’re talking about .

We have no idea if these women know the first thing about the game .

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProMost of the female pundits have over 100 caps. How many do Robbie and Owen have? The difference between those two jokers and Gary Neville is that Neville has won the biggest prizes and his analysis is that of someone who has won the biggest prizes. What has Savage ever won? To get such a job cuz he's a character is the problem. His playing career was long but a long way from illustrious.

This argument regarding female pundits will run for ever but as long as the likes of Savage, Owen, David Bentley, etc are on my TV screen then I cant even name any female pundits who are as bad.

bots

05-10-2023, 12:45 PM

i have a far bigger problem with commentator bias. That infuriates me so much, and its apparent on every game

Crimson Dynamo

05-10-2023, 12:56 PM

i have a far bigger problem with commentator bias. That infuriates me so much, and its apparent on every game

you wot bruv?

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Zizu

05-10-2023, 02:27 PM

Most of the female pundits have over 100 caps. How many do Robbie and Owen have? The difference between those two jokers and Gary Neville is that Neville has won the biggest prizes and his analysis is that of someone who has won the biggest prizes. What has Savage ever won? To get such a job cuz he's a character is the problem. His playing career was long but a long way from illustrious.

This argument regarding female pundits will run for ever but as long as the likes of Savage, Owen, David Bentley, etc are on my TV screen then I cant even name any female pundits who are as bad.

You can’t compare the experience / expertise of the women to the guys who played at a completely different level .

As regards Savage I feel he was underrated as a player as he kinda lived up to his name which is why he’s universally unpopular..

He was good enough to start his career at ManU but like many, many others was released due to the high level of competition there .. he did win a Cup of some kind maybe FA ?

He was a mainstay of a very decent Wales team for ten years .. and was captain and took free kicks as I recall .

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Crimson Dynamo

05-10-2023, 02:31 PM

A good league 2 under 16 team would beat the Lionesses 9/10

Niamh.

05-10-2023, 02:39 PM

A good league 2 under 16 team would beat the Lionesses 9/10

So what? that's like saying a feather weight ex boxer can't commentate on a Heavy weight fight. Of course they can.

AnnieK

05-10-2023, 02:43 PM

You can’t compare the experience / expertise of the women to the guys who played at a completely different level .

As regards Savage I feel he was underrated as a player as he kinda lived up to his name which is why he’s universally unpopular..

He was good enough to start his career at ManU but like many, many others was released due to the high level of competition there .. he did win a Cup of some kind maybe FA ?

He was a mainstay of a very decent Wales team for ten years .. and was captain and took free kicks as I recall .

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They play at the same level though really. They all play at the highest levels in their leagues and national teams against other players of equal level :shrug:

The rules are the same for both games - or are you saying a woman can't possibly understand the rules of the game?

Zizu

05-10-2023, 02:45 PM

So what? that's like saying a feather weight ex boxer can't commentate on a Heavy weight fight. Of course they can.

It’s a completely different game with completely different skill levels imho

It’s like having an amateur artist offering an appraisal on a Rembrandt ..

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Zizu

05-10-2023, 02:45 PM

They play at the same level though really. They all play at the highest levels in their leagues and national teams against other players of equal level :shrug:

The rules are the same for both games - or are you saying a woman can't possibly understand the rules of the game?

Sorry but it’s nothing close to being the same level .. it’s nothing to do with understanding the rules of the game

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Niamh.

05-10-2023, 02:51 PM

It’s a completely different game with completely different skill levels imho

It’s like having an amateur artist offering an appraisal on a Rembrandt ..

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Feather weight boxing is completely different to heavy weight too, same in MMA the heavy weight fights are completely different to the lighter divisions. You're just coming across as very sexist now again as you always do with women's sports Zizu

AnnieK

05-10-2023, 02:52 PM

Sorry but it’s nothing close to being the same level .. it’s nothing to do with understanding the rules of the game

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Well, that's not what you said earlier up the thread:
Michael Owen wasn’t my fave player but he was the World Player and played at the very top with Liverpool, Real Madrid and England

Robbie Savage is a character who had a very long and successful career including time as international player .. footballing-wise he wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea as he was midfield grafter ( neither was Gary Neville who I love as a pundit ) .

At least we know they were good players and know what they’re talking about .

We have no idea if these women know the first thing about the game .

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I think if they are playing top flight football in their respective leagues and for their respective clubs and countries, they will know what they are talking about.

We women are capable of understanding a game you know

Crimson Dynamo

05-10-2023, 02:53 PM

So what? that's like saying a feather weight ex boxer can't commentate on a Heavy weight fight. Of course they can.

They can commentate but it would be far better to get an actual heavyweight who has full knowledge of that weight division - the idea is to get the best people to commentate not shoehorn in the latest woke zeitgeist to get producer brownie points

Swan

05-10-2023, 02:54 PM

I can honestly say i hardly ever watch any punditry anymore, nearly all of it is a load of bollocks. The only panel i like is the US Paramount+ CL coverage. Thierry, Carra, Big Meeks and the perfect Kate Abdo. They're much less uptight and preachy like here in the UK, they have a laugh, but also talk sense.

The fact is most women just don't watch the woman's domestic game. It will never be equal, the female players will never get anywhere the same money as men, unless it's watched and supported. It's on free TV every weekend, unlike the mens. But it's still nowhere near watched, attended, or supported compared to men's game.

Niamh.

05-10-2023, 03:01 PM

They can commentate but it would be far better to get an actual heavyweight who has full knowledge of that weight division - the idea is to get the best people to commentate not shoehorn in the latest woke zeitgeist to get producer brownie points

But you never hear people coming online saying "Oh what's Barry Mcguigan doing coming on talking about Tyson Fury fighting, what does he know about heavy weight boxing he'd get beaten by the 100th ranked Heavyweight boxer blah blah blah"

Swan

05-10-2023, 03:19 PM

Also studies have found that it's men who watch more women's football than women. some studies have even found that men are twice as more likely to watch women's domestic football than women are. Up to 64% of men compared to as little as 18% of women will watch the female domestic game.

Women are also allocated more of the revenue gained/earned in major tournaments compared to the men's major tournaments. It was something like 20% to the women, and 8% to the men.

However, as far as attendance, and viewing amongst younger girls and teens, the female game has never been as popular as it is now. The next generation of girls are more likely to take up football than ever before.

Zizu

05-10-2023, 04:37 PM

Well, that's not what you said earlier up the thread:

I think if they are playing top flight football in their respective leagues and for their respective clubs and countries, they will know what they are talking about.

We women are capable of understanding a game you know

I wasn’t talking about the RULES !!

All the refs know the RULES yet they are all completely hoodwinked each and every game by the players diving / cheating/ grabbing / nipping / falling on the ball ..

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Zizu

05-10-2023, 04:42 PM

Feather weight boxing is completely different to heavy weight too, same in MMA the heavy weight fights are completely different to the lighter divisions. You're just coming across as very sexist now again as you always do with women's sports Zizu

I really don’t think it’s anything to do with sexism ..

I work in a female dominated workplace and the vast majority ( and my lovely wife ) feel exactly the same as I do .

I prefer being around women to men and believe that women are probably better at most things - that doesn’t sound like a sexist attitude to me to be fair ..

I’m the polar opposite to many beer swilling , foul mouthed blokes as well soooooo

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Alf

05-10-2023, 05:24 PM

Two time Ballon d'or winner. Only Englishman to win it twice. You have to respect the opinion of King Kevin.

Liverpool wouldn't be the club they are without Keegan. It wasn't Shankly that made them. It was Keegan.

bots

05-10-2023, 05:59 PM

Zizu

05-10-2023, 06:03 PM

Golf is a completely different game for men and women and yet there are loads of women commentators in the mens game that are highly respected. And, golf was one of the most sexist sports in the world up until a few short years ago.

I never give women golf commentators a second thought, its just natural to me

Maybe it’s more complex than we all think ..

I’d much sooner rather have someone like Nick Faldo explain the finer points of golf at a crucial moment than a woman I’ve never seen or heard of before

How on Earth is that sexist ?

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bots

05-10-2023, 06:14 PM

Maybe it’s more complex than we all think ..

I’d much sooner rather listen to Nick Faldo explain the finer points of golf at a crucial moment than a woman I’ve never seen or heard of before

How on Earth is that sexist ?

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Nick Faldo is now struggling with his words, and is a bit slow and confused, how you can say you prefer listening to him than a very competent woman is beyond me

Zizu

05-10-2023, 06:19 PM

Nick Faldo is now struggling with his words, and is a bit slow and confused, how you can say you prefer listening to him than a very competent woman is beyond me

Well Nick Faldo was simply the first name who came to mind … any WELL KNOWN male golfer is my point ..

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GiRTh

05-10-2023, 06:50 PM

Is it the same with Tennis? Are female Tennis pundits incapable of commentating on mens games. :shrug:

Zizu

05-10-2023, 06:56 PM

Is it the same with Tennis? Are female Tennis pundits incapable of commentating on mens games. :shrug:

If I know the player .. like Martina Navratilova or Chrissie Evert or similar then that’s great .. if it’s someone ( male or female) then I’m not interested

It’s nothing to do with being sexist that’s for certain

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Swan

05-10-2023, 07:01 PM

Is it the same with Tennis? Are female Tennis pundits incapable of commentating on mens games. :shrug:

Not that im really into Tennis, but Serena Williams has said many times that the men's and women's games are completely different.

Niamh.

05-10-2023, 07:03 PM

Not that im really into Tennis, but Serena Williams has said many times that the men's and women's games are completely different.Her opinion would still be valid on the men's game though as would a male tennis player on a women's match

bots

05-10-2023, 07:04 PM

If I know the player .. like Martina Navratilova or Chrissie Evert or similar then that’s great .. if it’s someone ( male or female) then I’m not interested

It’s nothing to do with being sexist that’s for certain

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So what you are saying is familiarity is the key element which will clear itself as an issue naturally as you get used to seeing them all the time

Swan

05-10-2023, 07:07 PM

Her opinion would still be valid on the men's game though as would a male tennis player on a women's match

All opinions are valid. It comes down to who has the best knowledge of the game though. Women will know their game better, just like men know theirs better.

Niamh.

05-10-2023, 07:14 PM

All opinions are valid. It comes down to who has the best knowledge of the game though. Women will know their game better, just like men know theirs better.They're still all playing the same sport competitively and different perspectives are good.

AnnieK

05-10-2023, 07:24 PM

Well Nick Faldo was simply the first name who came to mind … any WELL KNOWN male golfer is my point ..

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And if it was an unknown professional male golfer or an unknown professional female golfer,who would you listen to more?

Zizu

05-10-2023, 07:45 PM

So what you are saying is familiarity is the key element which will clear itself as an issue naturally as you get used to seeing them all the time

Not really .. it’s not familiarity per-se .. it’s knowing that the pundit in question is qualified to speak on the subject.. that comes from me watching them perform to the highest standard over many years ..

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Swan

05-10-2023, 07:46 PM

They're still all playing the same sport competitively and different perspectives are good.

Yeah i agree with that.
And if it was an unknown professional male golfer or an unknown professional female golfer,who would you listen to more?

In that circumstance it would all depend on who had watched the most, had the most knowledge of the sport. If both had watched the same the amount give or take, been into it for the same amount of years, then both opinions are equal. Gender wouldn't and shouldn't play a part.

Zizu

05-10-2023, 07:46 PM

I would add that I don’t watch women’s football .. I’ve tried it over the years- at the major competitions but it leaves me cold - so I don’t know any of the ex women players ..

One of my other gripes is that the ex female pundits/ players when talking about the current women always go way over the top in describing how good they are .. “ unbelievable technique “ or “ fabulous vision “ , “ absolutely amazing passer of ball” - when in reality they are nothing like as good as they describe .

Again that’s not being sexist it’s just my considered opinion

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Beso

05-10-2023, 08:10 PM

Hes allowed his own taste.

bots

08-10-2023, 04:30 AM

Isn't Kevin an alleged child molester that has evaded the law up until now. There have been a lot of rumours about him over the years

Gusto Brunt

08-10-2023, 06:24 AM

Men's football and women's football are very different.

That's why different pundits are needed, ie men for men's football and women for women's football.

It ain't rocket science. Kev is right. :D

Zizu

08-10-2023, 11:05 AM

Men's football and women's football are very different.

That's why different pundits are needed, ie men for men's football and women for women's football.

It ain't rocket science. Kev is right. :D

Hallelujah !

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rusticgal

08-10-2023, 11:07 AM

Men's football and women's football are very different.

That's why different pundits are needed, ie men for men's football and women for women's football.

It ain't rocket science. Kev is right. :D

I agree....for some reason it doesnt 'feel' right or natural.

Zizu

08-10-2023, 11:08 AM

Isn't Kevin an alleged child molester that has evaded the law up until now. There have been a lot of rumours about him over the years

I think not .. a guy claimed he was abused by somebody at Newcastle when Keegan was manager

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Zizu

08-10-2023, 11:10 AM

I agree....for some reason it doesnt 'feel' right or natural.

Even my wife doesn’t like hearing women commentating on men’s football and she doesn’t know the first thing about football .. she just says it sounds odd .

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The Slim Reaper

08-10-2023, 11:12 AM

Isn't Kevin an alleged child molester that has evaded the law up until now. There have been a lot of rumours about him over the years

You got some info on that as I've never even heard that as a whisper before?

Deirdre

08-10-2023, 03:38 PM

Izzy Christensen is the worst thing to happen to football on TV, hasn't a clue

Gusto Brunt

08-10-2023, 05:59 PM

I agree....for some reason it doesnt 'feel' right or natural.

:hee:

Hallelujah !

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:D

Zizu

08-10-2023, 06:55 PM

Izzy Christensen is the worst thing to happen to football on TV, hasn't a clue

Can’t be anywhere near as useless or irritating as Alex Scott

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Mystic Mock

08-10-2023, 08:18 PM

I have no issues really with women commentating on men's Football, I mean it's no different to female fans giving out their opinions on men's Football is it? Or to use another example, when Championship players commentating on Premier League matches.

The only thing I would fix to even it out better, is having men commentating on women's Football more regularly.

Mystic Mock

08-10-2023, 08:44 PM

Most of the female pundits have over 100 caps. How many do Robbie and Owen have? The difference between those two jokers and Gary Neville is that Neville has won the biggest prizes and his analysis is that of someone who has won the biggest prizes. What has Savage ever won? To get such a job cuz he's a character is the problem. His playing career was long but a long way from illustrious.

This argument regarding female pundits will run for ever but as long as the likes of Savage, Owen, David Bentley, etc are on my TV screen then I cant even name any female pundits who are as bad.

Robbie Savage had one of the better times at Blues imo.

We finished 10th in the Premier League in one of the seasons with him in the squad.

And I know that's not a trophy, but you've got to remember what club's ambitions were that season, and we overachieved thanks to players like Savage and Forssell.

Zizu

08-10-2023, 08:53 PM