The Farida/Hallie trans conversation

[Benjamin]

How you did view it? Did you find Farida’s questions offensive or actually curios to learn? How did you view Hallie’s reaction?

[Lostie!]

Farida was just trying to learn more and people asking questions is how minds are opened. I don't think she deserved the backbiting she got from a few of the others afterwards.

I definitely see why being presented with that offensive misconception bothered Hallie but it seemed like the conversation ended with Farida understanding more about it.

[Saph]

I think she was genuinely curious, I’m guessing not many middle aged women have met a trans person so naturally they’re gonna wanna ask a few questions.

Could she have worded things a little more delicately… sure, but I don’t think it was malicious

[thesheriff443]

An older muslim woman trying to understand the dynamics of a trans relationship
Hallie said she was an open book and welcomed questions but tried throwing farida under the bus

[fitz2k2]

Hallie needs to go. Then wheb confronted about the covo hallie energy changed, but was guns blazing telling the rest ��

[Niamh.]

What I'm more surprised about is how ITV are letting these conversations happen, I think a few years ago on C5 she would have been warned or kicked out for transphobia. It's good, conversation seems to be allowed again

[joe199998293]

I can see why Hallie might be offended, but I hope she wasn’t actually. I think Farida just genuinely was curious and didn’t know much about trans relationships.

Love Hallie but it seemed a bit two faced when she quickly changed her tune about the convo when Farida came over…

[Babayaro.]

I do think Farida was asking out of genuine curiosity but come on, have a little bit of tact! I totally understand why Hallie felt a little taken a back by it as I’m sure that kind of question is incredibly exhausting and disheartening to be asked, but it did seem like Farida meant no harm by it and instead of going to other housemates about it she should’ve just brought it up with Farida first. I think it’s looking likely Farida will be one of the nominees as first she was involved in the whole salmon thing and now this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hallie (never had a single relationship) was spouting stuff she has read on social media and scoffing at Farida for not towing a certain line

Maybe Hallie should get some actual experience in the real world before scoffing at her elders and betters for questioning some of her "beliefs"

[Scarlett.]

I think Farida poorly worded the question, but I don't think she meant any offence by it, I think Hallie realised that later in the garden

[Kate!]

I think Farida poorly worded the question, but I don't think she meant any offence by it, I think Hallie realised that later in the garden

Agreed

[Babayaro.]

So far I quite like Hallie but bit by bit we are starting to see her age and immaturity around certain things show, which obviously she can’t help as she is only 18 after all, but yeah, I can see her ending up on the wrong side of arguments throughout her stay

[Jordan.]

I'm not finding Farida to be sincere at all and this was no exception.

[Oliver_W]

She's only eighteen and has probably never been bluntly questioned like that. Saying you're an open book is one thing, but most people wouldn't ask the questions Farida did, or at least in the same way.

I might delicately suggest fewer straight men are open to the idea of dating a transwoman than she seems to think, but whatever, maybe I'm wrong about that.

[bots]

I think being open to questions and then getting highly personal questions thrown at you on tv is quite a different thing. She probably heard the cameras zooming in

[Scarlett.]

I think being open to questions and then getting highly personal questions thrown at you on tv is quite a different thing. She probably heard the cameras zooming in

I think its also that she asked it in such a public setting too, on the bed where none of them could have any privacy, it would have been smarter for Farida to maybe ask Hallie in a more private setting (well, as private as you can get on BB). I can imagine Hallie felt a little cornered

[Liam-]

I think she was just asking out of curiosity as someone who’s probably never encountered a trans person before, however the wording of the question was a bit tactless and probably something Hallie has had thrown at her before, which would probably be quite jarring

[OnTheRight]

I'm sure when H made the announcement part of what was said was, "I'm open to questions" Which is all that happened.

[Babayaro.]

I'm sure when H made the announcement part of what was said was, "I'm open to questions" Which is all that happened.

As a grown adult (compared to an 18 year old) Farida should know better than to be so blunt around her wording though, and like a few posts up mentioned, she could easily have waited to ask this when not everyone was around AND during a task where Hallie couldn’t even take herself elsewhere :laugh:

[Abra]

I think the questions Farida asked about relationships and sexuality were fine and just her being curious and taking the opportunity to learn, but I thought she got too personal asking her about her genitalia. I don't understand why people think it's appropriate to ask trans people about that because it's really not anyone's business and you wouldn't normally bring that up in a conversation with anybody else, especially someone you have only known for two days.

[joeysteele]

I think Farida poorly worded the question, but I don't think she meant any offence by it, I think Hallie realised that later in the garden

This for me too.

It was a very interesting segment of the highlights tonight for me.

[Zizu]

I think the questions Farida asked about relationships and sexuality were fine and just her being curious and taking the opportunity to learn, but I thought she got too personal asking her about her genitalia. I don't understand why people think it's appropriate to ask trans people about that because it's really not anyone's business and you wouldn't normally bring that up in a conversation with anybody else, especially someone you have only known for two days.


I haven’t watched this yet .. went straight to Live feed .

But apparently Halle made it apparent that she was open to questions so she should have laid out the parameters at that moment if she didn’t want to discuss certain aspects


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[Redrose]

Don't like hallie after this.

[rusticgal]

I think it was genuine niavity and curiosity….think Hallie could have just embraced it tbh.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

She was genuinely curious and asked reasonable questions I think. Not everyone is educated on this topic. Farida's response in the garden was perfect.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I think the questions Farida asked about relationships and sexuality were fine and just her being curious and taking the opportunity to learn, but I thought she got too personal asking her about her genitalia. I don't understand why people think it's appropriate to ask trans people about that because it's really not anyone's business and you wouldn't normally bring that up in a conversation with anybody else, especially someone you have only known for two days.

But isn't the topic of genitalia something she was talking about openly anyway?

[Lewis.]

I think it's a case of generational difference in terms of understanding what is 'acceptable' to probe into. Farida is 50+ years old and will probably not be well versed in the language you can and cant use, and questions you can and can't ask. I don't think there was any malice at all behind it. I found it quite refreshing, and Hallie handled it perfectly.

[Zizu]

She was genuinely curious and asked reasonable questions I think. Not everyone is educated on this topic. Farida's response in the garden was perfect.


Agreed


Halle was bitching to anyone and everyone about Farida’a questioning but when Farida approached her Halle suddenly changed her tune

Disliking Halle more and more as time goes on


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[Zizu]

I think it's a case of generational difference in terms of understanding what is 'acceptable' to probe into. Farida is 50+ years old and will probably not be well versed in the language you can and cant use, and questions you can and can't ask. I don't think there was any malice at all behind it. I found it quite refreshing, and Hallie handled it perfectly.


Have you seen Halle bitching to the others about Farida’a questions?


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[Lewis.]

Have you seen Halle bitching to the others about Farida’a questions?


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Agree, she handled the actual conversation with Farida perfectly - the bitching about it after not so much.

[Zizu]

Agree, she handled the actual conversation with Farida perfectly - the bitching about it after not so much.


This ^^


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[GoldHeart]

Agree, she handled the actual conversation with Farida perfectly - the bitching about it after not so much.

Hallie is reminding me of India Willoughby even down to the fact she mentioned 'designer vagina' . Anyone would thing Farida hurled abuse at her. Hallie will always be a ' biological man technically'. But she is a trans woman, and Farida respects her and has always seen her as a woman still. Nobody has misgendered her or anything .

There was nothing wrong with what Farida asked her, Hallie is too young to remember ... but if she thinks that's offensive, then maybe she should rewatch BB7 when she gets a chance :whistle: .

At the end of the day most of them are tiptoeing around Hallie and there's some hypocrisy at play , even the ones jumping to her defence... they themselves probably are confused and have questions but they're staying quiet , plus everyone has a dating preference.

And we all know some of them wouldn't date a trans woman especially a pre op one , especially Paul who has been saying allsorts on social media apparently.

It just annoys me how everyone likes to take this moral high ground of "oh how dare she " , like they're perfect themselves . Seriously they need to stop the BS .

[thom_bombadil]

If Hallie can’t be asked genuine questions without getting her back up, she is not a good representative of the trans community. She’s also two-faced. Haven’t liked her since day dot when she was blowing kisses to the camera. Phoney. Out, out, out.

[GoldHeart]

If Hallie can’t be asked genuine questions without getting her back up, she is not a good representative of the trans community. She’s also two-faced. Haven’t liked her since day dot when she was blowing kisses to the camera. Phoney. Out, out, out.

Exactly

I hate how both her & Olivia run to other housemates to slag Farida off behind her back, if they have a problem... why don't they discuss it like adults.

2 faced for sure.

[Nick_Trainer]

I think Farida should have really asked that kind of question in a more private situation - rather than when they were all stuck in one place & Hallie could not retreat away if she had needed to. I think Hallie showed a real maturity for an 18 year old. I'm not sure I could have handled that question that well at that age!

[Zizu]

If Hallie can’t be asked genuine questions without getting her back up, she is not a good representative of the trans community. She’s also two-faced. Haven’t liked her since day dot when she was blowing kisses to the camera. Phoney. Out, out, out.


Sad but true ( Metallica)


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[Zizu]

Hallie is reminding me of India Willoughby even down to the fact she mentioned 'designer vagina' . Anyone would thing Farida hurled abuse at her. Hallie will always be a ' biological man technically'. But she is a trans woman, and Farida respects her and has always seen her as a woman still. Nobody has misgendered her or anything .

There was nothing wrong with what Farida asked her, Hallie is too young to remember ... but if she thinks that's offensive, then maybe she should rewatch BB7 when she gets a chance :whistle: .

At the end of the day most of them are tiptoeing around Hallie and there's some hypocrisy at play , even the ones jumping to her defence... they themselves probably are confused and have questions but they're staying quiet , plus everyone has a dating preference.

And we all know some of them wouldn't date a trans woman especially a pre op one , especially Paul who has been saying allsorts on social media apparently.

It just annoys me how everyone likes to take this moral high ground of "oh how dare she " , like they're perfect themselves . Seriously they need to stop the BS .


Agree totally

I’m also unsure about this subject

Was Halle correct in saying “ I am a woman “


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[GoldHeart]

Agree totally

I’m also unsure about this subject

Was Halle correct in saying “ I am a woman “


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This is why it should be ' trans women are trans women'

The whole debate on this gets messy in society. But it's silly to say a biological woman and a trans woman is the same , when anyone with common sense ... knows this is false. But because people are scared they'll offend, they just go along with the narrative of not knowing what an actual woman is :rolleyes:.

[Ammi]

I think the questions Farida asked about relationships and sexuality were fine and just her being curious and taking the opportunity to learn, but I thought she got too personal asking her about her genitalia. I don't understand why people think it's appropriate to ask trans people about that because it's really not anyone's business and you wouldn't normally bring that up in a conversation with anybody else, especially someone you have only known for two days.

…yeah, I think pretty much this for me also…Hallie is a trans woman, yes…but she’s also a young lady of 18 years old and being asked some very personal questions about her genitalia and trying to respond, which I think she also did very well….as much as it was natural for Farida to ask questions, it was also natural for Hallie to feel a bit upset or disappointed etc that to ask some of those questions, she was being considered as male…is I think how she was feeling…but herself being open about that with other housemates seemed to dissolve any upset very quickly….all in all a bit of a clumsy start and opening to a delicate subject….but all well intentioned from Farida and well responded to by Hallie….

[GoldHeart]

…yeah, I think pretty much this for me also…Hallie is a trans woman, yes…but she’s also a young lady of 18 years old and being asked some very personal questions about her genitalia and trying to respond, which I think she also did very well….as much as it was natural for Farida to ask questions, it was also natural for Hallie to feel a bit upset or disappointed etc that to ask some of those questions, she was being considered as male…is I think how she was feeling…but herself being open about that with other housemates seemed to dissolve any upset very quickly….all in all a bit of a clumsy start and opening to a delicate subject….but all well intentioned from Farida and well responded to by Hallie….

Farida only asked her what was already discussed the other day , it was Hallie who first mentioned private bits and how she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

Remember when Kerry bluntly asked her "how much will it cost" , funny how Hallie wasn't offended by that question... after saying she wants a 'designer one' .

[Ammi]

Farida only asked her what was already discussed the other day , it was Hallie who first mentioned private bits and how she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

Remember when Kerry bluntly asked her "how much will it cost" , funny how Hallie wasn't offended by that question... after saying she wants a 'designer one' .

…I think that it’s not a one size fits all thing, though…asking the cost of something, even something so intimate may have been quite blunt as you say, GH…but with Farida’s conversation, it was also that Hallie felt that she was being thought of as a male…

[GoldHeart]

…I think that it’s not a one size fits all thing, though…asking the cost of something, even something so intimate may have been quite blunt as you say, GH…but with Farida’s conversation, it was also that Hallie felt that she was being thought of as a male…

Kerry was like "how much for a new fanny " :facepalm: , not exactly delicate in how she said it.

As for Farida, well technically Hallie is a 'biological male', she might not like that but there's no getting away from that, and truth of the matter is ... there will be straight blokes out there that will not feel comfortable dating a trans woman :shrug:.

But Farida never actually called her a man, and she respects her pronouns . It was more about the biological side of it and the fact she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

I just think people get too hyper sensitive these days, especially around this topic. I think the only reason Farida felt that confortable with approaching Hallie that way in front of everyone was because Hallie had already talked about it, and said she's an 'open book'.

Sure Farida could have had this conversion as a 1 to 1 in private, but i think Hallie would have still been offended. And I think Hallie is a bit passive aggressive with how she dropped Farida in it.

Farida's personality is strong and i think people are intimidated by it, but i don't think she ever means to offend. It's like with the whole salmon situation and the whole kitchen and announcing the meeting thing . I think she's just misunderstood.

[BBDodge]

Kerry was like "how much for a new fanny " :facepalm: , not exactly delicate in how she said it.



For an NHS manager from Essex that seems about right. No beating about the bush...

[*mazedsalv**]

She was genuinely curious. Hallie stated she was open, but didn't like the fact she was asked? As much as people don't want to believe it, a lot of people would be wanting to know the same things. Not everyone is "up to date" on all these things. You also need to remember older people and people from other cultures will not have been introduced to things like this.

I know it's not the same thing, as it was about drag, but remember how Courtney was completely willing to have hard hitting truthful conversations with her HMs when asked questions about things that others may not have been exposed to.

[Ammi]

Kerry was like "how much for a new fanny " :facepalm: , not exactly delicate in how she said it.

As for Farida, well technically Hallie is a 'biological male', she might not like that but there's no getting away from that, and truth of the matter is ... there will be straight blokes out there that will not feel comfortable dating a trans woman :shrug:.

But Farida never actually called her a man, and she respects her pronouns . It was more about the biological side of it and the fact she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

I just think people get too hyper sensitive these days, especially around this topic. I think the only reason Farida felt that confortable with approaching Hallie that way in front of everyone was because Hallie had already talked about it, and said she's an 'open book'.

Sure Farida could have had this conversion as a 1 to 1 in private, but i think Hallie would have still been offended. And I think Hallie is a bit passive aggressive with how she dropped Farida in it.

Farida's personality is strong and i think people are intimidated by it, but i don't think she ever means to offend. It's like with the whole salmon situation and the whole kitchen and announcing the meeting thing . I think she's just misunderstood.

….there’s also I think, been a huge wave of negativity toward the trans community so I can understand some frustration at being thought of as male when she is in fact a trans female…and yes, she did say that she was open to questions, when she revealed it to the group, she said …if anyone has any questions, or something similar…it doesn’t mean though that she wasn’t unprepared though for the questions when they were posed with Farida…Hallie is only 18years old and beginning her adult life…and she’s obviously opening herself up to some very close public scrutiny….I didn’t find her passive aggressive at all, she may have been taken aback a bit …but she responded very well indeed…

[Ammi]

She was genuinely curious. Hallie stated she was open, but didn't like the fact she was asked? As much as people don't want to believe it, a lot of people would be wanting to know the same things. Not everyone is "up to date" on all these things. You also need to remember older people and people from other cultures will not have been introduced to things like this.

I know it's not the same thing, as it was about drag, but remember how Courtney was completely willing to have hard hitting truthful conversations with her HMs when asked questions about things that others may not have been exposed to.

…yeah, I thought that Courtney was (is…)…a wonderful spokesperson in BB and there were aspects of Drag that she opened for me also, that I hadn’t thought of before…but it also has to be said that she’s been a spokesperson for around 20 years so very much used to many questions and posed in many situations as well…Hallie doesn’t have that experience (..yet…)…but that was all part of her journey and I think she did brilliantly in her responses ….

[Ammi]

…I mean, I think that people can be genuinely curious and people can feel genuinely upset that they’ve gone through so much in their life but may still being thought of as someone they aren’t …those two things can happen in parallel…there isn’t any in the right or in the wrong….it’s all a learning curve for both….

[GoldHeart]

….there’s also I think, been a huge wave of negativity toward the trans community so I can understand some frustration at being thought of as male when she is in fact a trans female…and yes, she did say that she was open to questions, when she revealed it to the group, she said …if anyone has any questions, or something similar…it doesn’t mean though that she wasn’t unprepared though for the questions when they were posed with Farida…Hallie is only 18years old and beginning her adult life…and she’s obviously opening herself up to some very close public scrutiny….I didn’t find her passive aggressive at all, she may have been taken aback a bit …but she responded very well indeed…

Yeah I will agree Hallie's age plays a big part , like I said in the other thread ....it will be interesting to see what Hallie is like in 10 years or so , when she's had more experiences etc . After all She's still young ,and hasn't had many encounters under her belt .

I just wish things were less egg shelly, people have to realise Farida is from a different culture and background and entirely different age group. Even today's generation gets confused by stuff.

Farida has probably experienced all-sorts of prejudice when she was growing up, I think she just gets straight to the point. And you know something...if a housemate questioned her about her faith or background,I don't think she'd mind .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it's a case of generational difference in terms of understanding what is 'acceptable' to probe into. Farida is 50+ years old and will probably not be well versed in the language you can and cant use, and questions you can and can't ask. I don't think there was any malice at all behind it. I found it quite refreshing, and Hallie handled it perfectly.

"well versed in the language you can and cant use"

says who?

you seem to abe alluding to some book of guidelines or a website or something?

can you elaborate what you actually mean?

[Ammi]

Yeah I will agree Hallie's age plays a big part , like I said in the other thread ....it will be interesting to see what Hallie is like in 10 years or so , when she's had more experiences etc . After all She's still young ,and hasn't had many encounters under her belt .

I just wish things were less egg shelly, people have to realise Farida is from a different culture and background and entirely different age group. Even today's generation gets confused by stuff.

Farida has probably experienced all-sorts of prejudice when she was growing up, I think she just gets straight to the point. And you know something...if a housemate questioned her about her faith or background,I don't think she'd mind .

….yeah, Farida has said that she hasn’t in any way felt suppressed or restricted in her life by her faith/culture …which is also often the labels placed on Muslim females…isn’t it so bad that we’ve all become labels in society to a large extent…but it would be interesting to know the 18yr old Farida’s thoughts on many things and prejudices and obstacles etc she may have faced…in comparison to the Farida of now, eh….?…this is just the beginning for Hallie of a huge life path …atm she seems on a good and open course though to try to help understanding and dismiss prejudice and ignorance etc….

…anyway, must go…have a great day, GH…🩷

[joeysteele]

I think Farida should have really asked that kind of question in a more private situation - rather than when they were all stuck in one place & Hallie could not retreat away if she had needed to. I think Hallie showed a real maturity for an 18 year old. I'm not sure I could have handled that question that well at that age!

I agree with you here.

Absolutely raising the question when they were at a time alone would have been more appropriate.

It was for me a strong and very interesting part of the show last night.

[Lewis.]

"well versed in the language you can and cant use"

says who?

you seem to abe alluding to some book of guidelines or a website or something?

can you elaborate what you actually mean?

I mean it in the sense that there is language for all sorts of demographical topics, be it gender, race, religion etc that is culturally either accepted or denied as appropriate language to use when discussing said topic. This language changes over time.

There is language related to race that is completely unacceptable to use today (be it as a general cultural disapproval, or even language that would genuinely land you in legal trouble) that - 50/100 years ago - would have been widely used and not considered offensive as an overall society. As discussion has developed over time, as have expectations and cultural rules about what is and isn't considered offensive to say.

This is the same for sexuality - although that development has come in the past 25/50 years. There are things and words that my gran would say about sexuality that, as a culture in general, we would probably consider inappropriate. None of it is meant in a malicious way, but her shaping of the world happened pre this development, and her ideas as to what is and isn't considered to be appropriate is stuck in the 90s as she hasn't really been exposed to the development of the topic in the cultural 'sphere' of wrong and right.

In this particular case - with trans being the topic - this cultural development is still in a very early and very 'live' stage, and most of it is happening over social media amongst 16-30 year olds. I don't imagine that Farida will herself have been given the opportunity to discuss, learn about or partake in the development of the topic as a whole.

That's the point that I am making - there are already general ideas forming as to what language could be considered offensive to say in relation to trans men and women. It isn't a rule book, in the same way that there isn't a rule book that tells you what you can and can't say or what language you can or can't use in a public forum about race or sexuality - it's a cultural understanding of what is considered offensive or non-offensive that shifts over time within society.

That's the beauty of Big Brother and why a mixture of ages and demographics is so much more interesting to watch, because you get to see this mixture of people come together who wouldn't normally have interacted on the outside world, and watch them learn from each other through their day-to-day discussions.

[smudgie]

Farida could do with a few lessons in tact.
Ignorance is no excuse for lack of manners.
Her age has sod all to do with it.

[Gusto Brunt]

Farida is a bit ignorant of current lifestyles. That's about it.

[MTVN]

It was an ignorant question but there was no ill intent

I expect Hallie would be similarly ignorant of Farida's faith if she cared to ask about it

[Scarlett.]

I feel like a bigger deal is being made of this outside the house than inside xD

That said, its cool to see the show generating conversations such as this

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was an ignorant question but there was no ill intent

I expect Hallie would be similarly ignorant of Farida's faith if she cared to ask about it

Hallie wont, too consumed with self (like most 18 year olds :laugh:)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just think it was way too inappropriate a question for someone so young from a 50 year old lady and like a day after the reveal it was beyond impolite and intrusive.

[caprimint]

Farida has no clue what's going on lol. But Hallie was bitching about her in the garden to Jenkin/Jordan/Henry/Paul(?) then the second time she was about to bitch about the situation to Zak but Farida came outside and she twisted it completely into "just talking about it".

[Zizu]

It was an ignorant question but there was no ill intent

I expect Hallie would be similarly ignorant of Farida's faith if she cared to ask about it


Now I’d pay to listen in on that conversation !!


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[Zizu]

I just think it was way too inappropriate a question for someone so young from a 50 year old lady and like a day after the reveal it was beyond impolite and intrusive.


Halle doesn’t immediately present as a young teenager though


I would have guessed Halle was 30 ish

I can’t imagine that they stop to wonder how old each person is before they start up a conversation


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[Zizu]

Farida has no clue what's going on lol. But Hallie was bitching about her in the garden to Jenkin/Jordan/Henry/Paul(?) then the second time she was about to bitch about the situation to Zak but Farida came outside and she twisted it completely into "just talking about it".


Yes and we are only shown a snapshot of proceedings so I’d suggest that Halle has that very same conversation with EVERY other housemate .. if only to get their sympathy and as much screen time as possible


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[user104658]

Controversial stance I'm sure but gender and sexuality are complex these days;

There are zero straight men who would date a trans woman.

There are of course plenty of men who would date a trans woman, and even plenty of men who are exclusively attracted to female secondary sex characteristics and who exclusively date female-presenting people who would date trans women.

They're not straight, they are on the "Q spectrum" so to speak. Straight is straight, biological primary sex characteristics (which can't be factually changed).

All "thats not how I personally identify" etc etcs out of the way.


This isn't a judgement of any kind either, people are attracted to who they're attracted to and date who they date, but defining it as a straight relationship - while probably more comfortable for some men - just isn't accurate.

[Abra]

I might delicately suggest fewer straight men are open to the idea of dating a transwoman than she seems to think, but whatever, maybe I'm wrong about that.

I don't think she was suggesting that all straight men are open to the idea of dating a trans women (But I would also delicately suggest that there are probably more than you would think though, especially behind closed doors). I think she was more saying that the men who do openly date trans women usually identify themselves as straight and not gay, because gay men wouldn't typically be attracted to a woman.

[Babayaro.]

Halle doesn’t immediately present as a young teenager though


I would have guessed Halle was 30 ish

I can’t imagine that they stop to wonder how old each person is before they start up a conversation


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Farida knew Hallie was 18 on launch night

[bots]

Hallie may look older than 18, but she has not shown any indicators that she is experienced in life in anything that she has done in the house. You need to know who you are speaking to before tackling any topic and Farida certainly didn't take account of that

[MTVN]

Controversial stance I'm sure but gender and sexuality are complex these days;

There are zero straight men who would date a trans woman.

There are of course plenty of men who would date a trans woman, and even plenty of men who are exclusively attracted to female secondary sex characteristics and who exclusively date female-presenting people who would date trans women.

They're not straight, they are on the "Q spectrum" so to speak. Straight is straight, biological primary sex characteristics (which can't be factually changed).

All "thats not how I personally identify" etc etcs out of the way.


This isn't a judgement of any kind either, people are attracted to who they're attracted to and date who they date, but defining it as a straight relationship - while probably more comfortable for some men - just isn't accurate.

Really? :think: I actually don't think that's true at all, although I'm sure it'd be a minority of straight men. I certainly don't think it makes them non-straight

On the other hand I think it's very unlikely to find a man who would exclusively date transwomen, that seems bizarre

[Lewis.]

I genuinely think Farida was just interested, but seems to have zero filter (in this conversation or any others she has had so far).

[Liam-]

Controversial stance I'm sure but gender and sexuality are complex these days;

There are zero straight men who would date a trans woman.

There are of course plenty of men who would date a trans woman, and even plenty of men who are exclusively attracted to female secondary sex characteristics and who exclusively date female-presenting people who would date trans women.

They're not straight, they are on the "Q spectrum" so to speak. Straight is straight, biological primary sex characteristics (which can't be factually changed).

All "thats not how I personally identify" etc etcs out of the way.


This isn't a judgement of any kind either, people are attracted to who they're attracted to and date who they date, but defining it as a straight relationship - while probably more comfortable for some men - just isn't accurate.

What a load of nonsense

[Ammi]

I feel like a bigger deal is being made of this outside the house than inside xD

That said, its cool to see the show generating conversations such as this

…indeed, I think probably it is because it’s such an going debate and you could kind of feel it from the beginning when it was speculated that Hallie was a transgender housemate…but it’s so refreshing to see a conversation that actually takes place without the social media and media stuff, isn’t it…because I thought that it reflected a lot more with conversations that many do have and what is more familiar to many…this is a great group of housemate, I think….

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hallie getting caught gossiping about it later by Farida was rather excruciating

[bots]

After the food task the daggers will be drawn, and it will all start going off come Saturday :laugh:

[Zizu]

Farida knew Hallie was 18 on launch night


Yes I’m sure they all did but given their strange pressurised situation I don’t think Halle’s age would even register when they are conversing as she presents as a 30+ year old rather than an 18yr old


Tom on the other hand presents as a 16 yr old …


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[Zizu]

I genuinely think Farida was just interested, but seems to have zero filter (in this conversation or any others she has had so far).


This ^^^


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[Zizu]

Hallie getting caught gossiping about it later by Farida was rather excruciating


Wasn’t it just :)

Serves them right


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[Beso]

Farida should try the same questions out on TIBB someday to get the proper reaction to her question.

[Josy]

I think she was genuinely curious, I also think Hallie tried it to make into an issue with the way she explained it to other housemates, which I thought was quite unfair as she did say she was happy to answer anyone's questions etc

[Zizu]

I think she was genuinely curious, I also think Hallie tried it to make into an issue with the way she explained it to other housemates, which I thought was quite unfair as she did say she was happy to answer anyone's questions etc


Halle was basically attention seeking , trying to get sympathy from all the others by playing victim .. she knows that screen time is paramount in this situation. Probably hoping the others won’t nominate her if they think she’s had a rough few days


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[vesavius]

How you did view it? Did you find Farida’s questions offensive or actually curios to learn? How did you view Hallie’s reaction?

100% curious from someone that wished to learn. We need to be careful... If we insist on seeing darker motivations behind every question we will stop people from trying to learn.

TBH, the whole thing is subjective anyhow.

It's a good conversation to have.