BB Investigating Kerry using slur

[AnnieK]

Its just flashed up on my news feed that Kerry used a homophobic slur the other night

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/24439211/big-brother-homophobia-slur-itv-investigation/

Can't bring myself to click the Sun link but it was during the glamping task I believe.

[Vanessa]

She really needs to go. Absolutely awful human being.

[Niamh.]

Its just flashed up on my news feed that Kerry used a homophobic slur the other night

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/24439211/big-brother-homophobia-slur-itv-investigation/

Can't bring myself to click the Sun link but it was during the glamping task I believe.

It doesn't say what she said but they say it was an outdated expression? can't think of what it could be

[MTVN]

Olivia and Jenkin hid her luxury mattress and lied that viewers had voted for the housemate they most wanted to lose it

:joker: that's pretty funny

[MTVN]

It doesn't say what she said but they say it was an outdated expression? can't think of what it could be

I was wondering that :think:

[AnnieK]

:joker: that's pretty funny

They showed a bit of it on Late and Loud on Monday - she was not a happy bunny :laugh:

[Ammi]

…it’s being reported that she said ‘gay’ …but in a way of saying someone/something was stupid, in a put down/critical type of way…

[Ammi]

…so not the word itself but the using of it as a criticism…/…negative…

[thesheriff443]

So the housemates had respect and inclusion training before going into the house

[Redrose]

They're giving Zak the villain edit but censoring Kerry and Paul's offensive behaviour in the main show.

[thesheriff443]

I think the investigation would of been focused on how the comment was aired and not covered by bird song

[Redrose]

Being sly with their editing. Planting the seed with Zak in the kitchen so it would look bad when he was play fighting with Noky in the living room.

[Redrose]

…it’s being reported that she said ‘gay’ …but in a way of saying someone/something was stupid, in a put down/critical type of way…

How childish to do that at her age. It all makes sense why Hallie is so close to her. If someone commented on her being trans it would be a different story.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sadly they have tried racist row twice now and now this

Its the only way the PR team can get PR by dressing up something as clickbait

next it will be Trans row

[Niamh.]

How childish to do that at her age. It all makes sense why Hallie is so close to her. If someone commented on her being trans it would be a different story.

Yeah I was going to say, I don't think I've heard anyone other than a stroppy teenager use that phrase

[Ammi]

Earlier this week, Kerry had secured a spot in Big Brother's 'VIP' campsite during the shopping task. However, things took a much less glamorous turn when Kerry's pals hatched a plan to hide her luxury mattress, telling her that viewers had voted for the housemate that they wanted to lose it.

The NHS worker came under fire for using the word after her co-stars Olivia Young and Jenkin Edwards decided to pull the prank.

Earlier this week, Kerry had secured a spot in Big Brother's 'VIP' campsite during the shopping task. However, things took a much less glamorous turn when Kerry's pals hatched a plan to hide her luxury mattress, telling her that viewers had voted for the housemate that they wanted to lose it.

Kerry voiced her frustrations after the incident, resorting to using the word 'gay' in a problematic manner, saying: "Well, this is gay."

Olivia and Jenkin had to eventually come clean and reveal the prank as Kerry was adamant to take the issue to the Big Brother bosses to retrieve her precious mattress.

Living in the most scrutinised house in the UK, her slip of the tongue didn't go unnoticed.

The 40-year-old has faced backlash on social media over her behaviour in the house, with viewers taking to Twitter (recently rebranded to X) to express their outrage and calling on producers to axe her.

"There is nothing wrong with the word gay itself but the problem is the context in which Kerry used it.," one viewer posted on X after the incident.

"Oh, of course #Kerry uses gay as a derogatory word," another viewer noted.



…full article…

https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/tv/big-brother-kerry-gay-slur-mattress-915849-20231018

[Ammi]

…of course it’s using it as a criticism and negative …but I can’t see that expressing outrage and calling for Kerry to be axed is an appropriate response either…so a response to inappropriate is looking at an inappropriate response ….

[vesavius]

Not a fan of her but hardly the crime of the century.

Hardly 'homophobic'

[GoldHeart]

They're giving Zak the villain edit but censoring Kerry and Paul's offensive behaviour in the main show.

Me thinks BB has their favourites again this year :idc: , just when I was praising ITV hosting aswell :bored: .

[Niamh.]

Me thinks BB has their favourites again this year :idc: , just when I was praising ITV hosting aswell :bored: .

Would take a miracle to save her from eviction this week though

[caprimint]

Can't stand her but this is so ridiculous. We need to stop being offended by words.

[GoldHeart]

Can't stand her but this is so ridiculous. We need to stop being offended by words.

It's the principal of it , if Kerry & Paul's conversations are getting edited out ....then it's not really fair.

[Northern Monkey]

Oh God. X formerly known as Twitter would explode if anyone used a real slur. Imagine a Ken Morley incident now? People would be asking for his head. I don’t think anyone controversial like Jim Davidson would even get in CBB these days.

[MTVN]

Oh God. X formerly known as Twitter would explode if anyone used a real slur. Imagine a Ken Morley incident now? People would be asking for his head. I don’t think anyone controversial like Jim Davidson would even get in CBB these days.

Oh I'd forgotten all about Ken, when he kept going on about how much he enjoyed looking at the women's 'arses' :skull:

[Zizu]

:joker: that's pretty funny


Given the time she spends with Jenkin


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[Zizu]

They're giving Zak the villain edit but censoring Kerry and Paul's offensive behaviour in the main show.


That’s what it looks like


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[Zizu]

Can't stand her but this is so ridiculous. We need to stop being offended by words.


I don’t like mint .. there I said it .


:)


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[Zizu]

Oh God. X formerly known as Twitter would explode if anyone used a real slur. Imagine a Ken Morley incident now? People would be asking for his head. I don’t think anyone controversial like Jim Davidson would even get in CBB these days.


We shall soon see when the Celeb Big Brother hits our screens sometime after Christmas..


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[OnTheRight]

EXCLUSIVE: Big Brother's Kerry has issued an apology after she came under fire for the use of the word gay when referring to something negatively, she has since been warned of the consequences

[GoldHeart]

I don’t like mint .. there I said it .


:)


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Talking of overused words .....

Remember in BB7 when everyone kept saying " babe," especially
Aisleyne & Imogen .

[OnTheRight]

Can't stand her but this is so ridiculous. We need to stop being offended by words.

Agreed. I use the word she said, for the same reason, quite a lot.

[Glenn.]

I love to see heteros downplay homophobia.

Whether you care to admit it, it IS homophobic.

[Ammi]

I love to see heteros downplay homophobia.

Whether you care to admit it, it IS homophobic.

…of course, it is derogatory and a homophobic slur and something that for me would definitely merit a warning from BB and I hope that Kerry has realised how offensive her words are…but I don’t think that ‘outrage’ from social media and calls for Kerry being axed are appropriate to the incident, either….

[GoldHeart]

Interesting ....I wonder if it would be edited out if Zak said it :whistle: . I want to give BB the benefit of the doubt ,but so far it feels like Kerry & Paul are being protected.

Like I said it's the principal of it ,and fair should be fair.

[Adamw92]

They're giving Zak the villain edit but censoring Kerry and Paul's offensive behaviour in the main show.

Strange isn’t it? wonder why they would do that…

[Vanessa]

I don't think she said anything that deserves her getting thrown out.
But I still wanted her to go on Friday.
Give the chance for others to shine.

[Benjamin]

We all know how much I dislike Kerry but that is far from offensive. I find her moaning more offensive.

[Abra]

Not a fan of her but hardly the crime of the century.

Hardly 'homophobic'

Using the word "gay" in the place of saying something is bad or negative is definitely homophobic, lmao. It's just that it's been normalised and some people simply don't care. Try that with any other minority group and see what the reaction would be.

I'm not saying she's a deliberately homophobic person, but it definitely feels like a bit of a Freudian slip, and it's honestly such an outdated phrase that she's literally made herself look like a 14 year old boy in the year 2008. More than anything, she's just a ****ing dumbass for saying that in the Big Brother house of all places, AND in front of a gay housemate.

[Benjamin]

Using the word "gay" in the place of saying something is bad or negative is definitely homophobic, lmao. It's just that it's been normalised and some people simply don't care. Try that with any other minority group and see what the reaction would be.

I'm not saying she's a deliberately homophobic person, but it definitely feels like a bit of a Freudian slip, and it's honestly such an outdated phrase that she's literally made herself look like a 14 year old boy in the year 2008. More than anything, she's just a ****ing dumbass for saying that in the Big Brother house of all places, AND in front of a gay housemate.


I can’t speak for all gay guys, but it really doesn’t offend me.

[GoldHeart]

We all know how much I dislike Kerry but that is far from offensive. I find her moaning more offensive.

True
But I just wish BB would be fair with editing ,and not censor what they think is ' offensive' . So far it seems like Kerry & Paul are teacher's pet.

[Benjamin]

True
But I just wish BB would be fair with editing ,and not censor what they think is ' offensive' . So far it seems like Kerry & Paul are teacher's pet.

That I agree with. Can’t believe they never showed Paul’s convo.

[Beso]

True
But I just wish BB would be fair with editing ,and not censor what they think is ' offensive' . So far it seems like Kerry & Paul are teacher's pet.

There have been many convoys on live feed that we ain't seen on the hl show..its not just kerry and paul.

Tom for instance, was describing how he would enjoy battering evil 5 year olds with baseball bats.

[Benjamin]

There have been many convoys on live feed that we ain't seen on the hl show..its not just kerry and paul.

Tom for instance, was describing how he would enjoy battering evil 5 year olds with baseball bats.

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So if I am correct the boys stole Kerry's mattress (or pretended to) and she said that this act was gay

Or indeed they were both gay for stealing a mattress?

Is stealing a mattress some sort of euphemism,?

I'm confused

[Abra]

I can’t speak for all gay guys, but it really doesn’t offend me.

That's not really the point though. It doesn't offend me because I don't value her opinion and I'm too secure to be offended by something like that.

BUT, you can still call out the fact of her words being homophobic without being personally offended. She still used the word "gay" as a pejorative, and given the fact she's a forty year old woman, it says a lot about her character. And alas, we've already got people jumping on the bandwagon to say that using "gay" as a negative slur isn't homophobic, which is laughable and only helps to further weaponise gay people as "snowflakes" for caring about homophobic language and stoke the rampant culture wars we are seeing at the moment, thanks to a supposed harmless comment from her.

It's fine for someone to say that it doesn't offend them, or that they simply don't care, that's their prerogative, but the mental gymnastics to pretend like it's not homophobic are ridiculous. Is it equal to an egregious act of homophobia or a hate crime? No. But it's still homophobic and language matters.

[Abra]

So if I am correct the boys stole Kerry's mattress (or pretended to) and she said that this act was gay

Or indeed they were both gay for stealing a mattress?

Is stealing a mattress some sort of euphemism,?

I'm confused

She wasn't saying they are literally gay, she was using "gay" in the place of saying "that's bad" or "I don't like that", it's a phrase that was commonly used by teenagers in the 2000's and became a sort of accepted and normalised homophobic remark under the guise of it being "harmless".

[Beso]

You gays should use the proper words for being gay to stop the confusion.

[thesheriff443]

This was only a problem because it was aired on tv And not covered by bird song
Bb then had to take action by calling Kerry to the diary room and warning her it was inappropriate and against the rules
She then apologised and it’s over and done with

[GoldHeart]

It's funny how BB left in her trying to get sympathy with " oh pick on the disabled woman" :rolleyes:, why not show the full conversation.

[Alf]

So the LGBTQXYZ Nazi Police are coming after people's basic freedoms yet again.

The LGBTQ movement is such an authoritarian movement. That's undeniable, it's plain to see right here if this is true. No wonder the older homosexuals don't want anything to do with it.

[Abra]

So the LGBTQXYZ Nazi Police are coming after people's basic freedoms yet again.

The LGBTQ movement is such an authoritarian movement. That's undeniable, it's plain to see right here if this is true. No wonder the older homosexuals don't want anything to do with it.

https://i.ibb.co/bFrYjn0/ezgif-5-30e1f4b5ba.webp

[Alf]

https://i.ibb.co/bFrYjn0/ezgif-5-30e1f4b5ba.webpAnd they're ageist.

[Abra]

And they're ageist.

https://i.ibb.co/SvW5V86/297.jpg

[Northern Monkey]

I do agree about the edit though, deffo not something that should be hidden. Definite bias, and Kerry is doing my tits in now ,so if she did get kicked :shrug:

[Jordan.]

She shouldn't be kicked out the back door. She deserves to know she is disliked and evicted by the public.

[Beso]

I'm loving kelly and hallies dynamics together to be honest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.ibb.co/SvW5V86/297.jpg

At least he knows its a cloud, the gen z's would not have a scooby doo as they never look up from their iphone 13's

:joker:

[Beso]

At least he knows its a cloud, the gen z's would not have a scooby doo as they never look up from their iphone 13's

:joker:

That's where they look at the cloud.

[letmein]

At least he knows its a cloud, the gen z's would not have a scooby doo as they never look up from their iphone 13's

:joker:

A what?

[vesavius]

Using the word "gay" in the place of saying something is bad or negative is definitely homophobic, lmao.

That's your opinion. I tend to not be so trigger hair upset by the use of words. Context and intent matter to me. :shrug:

I'm not saying she's a deliberately homophobic person, but it definitely feels like a bit of a Freudian slip

To you. Not to me.

There has been nothing that she has said or done that suggests that she has any dislike or hate toward gay people.

Calling people homophobes based on the use of a single unapproved word just feels so 2016 Tumblr. I thought that we had moved past that cringe.

[Glenn.]

She’s just a very stupid unintelligent woman and if you don’t agree that what she’s said is problematic then you’re just as unintelligent as she is imo

[vesavius]

She’s just a very stupid unintelligent woman and if you don’t agree that what she’s said is problematic then you’re just as unintelligent as she is imo

I'm not gonna get into personal attacks over a TV show. :shrug:

[Abra]

That's your opinion. I tend to not be so trigger hair upset by the use of words. Context and intent matter to me. :shrug:



To you. Not to me.

There has been nothing that she has said or done that suggests that she has any dislike or hate toward gay people.

Calling people homophobes based on the use of a single unapproved word just feels so 2016 Tumblr. I thought that we had moved past that cringe.

Sorry but no amount of mental gymnastics will stop "gay" being used as a negative term being homophobic. Whether that bothers you or not is entirely up to you, that doesn't change the fact it's homophobic. You don't have to be a pick me to feel like you're above "2016 Tumblr".

[Glenn.]

I wasn’t being personal with anyone on here.

[vesavius]

Sorry but no amount of mental gymnastics will stop "gay" being used as a negative term being homophobic. Whether that bothers you or not is entirely up to you, that doesn't change the fact it's homophobic. You don't have to be a pick me to feel like you're above "2016 Tumblr".

It's not 'mental gymnastics' lol, it's just me saying that context and intent matter and that words on their own are not 'problematic' to me.

it isn't a fact on your part, btw, it's a subjective opinion.

I don't understand what you mean by a 'pick me' in this context. Please explain?

[Glenn.]

It's not 'mental gymnastics' lol, it's just me saying that context and intent matter and that words on their own are not 'problematic' to me.

it isn't a fact on your part, btw, it's a subjective opinion.

I don't understand what you mean by a 'pick me' in this context. Please explain?

Her intent was to describe people in a negative way and chose to use the word gay to do that. That’s your context. Using the term gay in a negative way to insult people is homophobic no matter how you want to wrap it up.

[vesavius]

Her intent was to describe people in a negative way and chose to use the word gay to do that. That’s your context. Using the term gay in a negative way to insult people is homophobic no matter how you want to wrap it up.

There is no way to say that... You don't know what's inside her head or her intent.

Was her intent to harm or hurt or show hate or dislike towards gay people? I see no evidence of that. In fact, it would feel directly against the attitudes she has shown up to now.

I have seen no evidence of her disliking or hating gays and a single word used like that is not enough to condemn her. And I say all this not even liking her.

Those types of labels are weaponised and used far too easily, IMO, often with full knowledge of the damage they can do. It's just a game that I do not play.

[Abra]

It's not 'mental gymnastics' lol, it's just me saying that context and intent matter and that words on their own are not 'problematic' to me.

it isn't a fact on your part, btw, it's a subjective opinion.

I don't understand what you mean by a 'pick me' in this context. Please explain?

Yeah... and the context was that Kerry used the word "gay" as an adjective to describe something negative that she didn't like. Homophobia doesn't have to be directed towards a specific person or a specific group of people, or be coming from a particular place of bigotry to be homophobia. By your own logic, someone using "black" or a racial term to describe something negative wouldn't be racism. Even with the context of the situation being taken into consideration, it was homophobic. It's not subjective at all. The only thing that is subjective is whether it bothers you or not, which like I said, is entirely up to you.

"Pick me" is a term that basically means somebody who acts as a contrarian.

[vesavius]

Yeah... and the context was that Kerry used the word "gay" as an adjective to describe something negative that she didn't like. Homophobia doesn't have to be directed towards a specific person or a specific group of people, or be coming from a particular place of bigotry to be homophobia. By your own logic, someone using "black" or a racial term to describe something negative wouldn't be racism. Even with the context of the situation being taken into consideration, it was homophobic. It's not subjective at all. The only thing that is subjective is whether it bothers you or not, which like I said, is entirely up to you.

"Pick me" is a term that basically means somebody who acts as a contrarian.

I am not a contrarian just because I disagree with you on this. We all have our own opinions, that's the point of the forum. :shrug:

Black is used all the time to describe bad things... Black magic, black sheep, etc... Using those terms would not be racist.

I am sorry, but yes, it is subjective. No one gets to set the law of the universe on these matters. No one's world view is the cosmic truth.

What homophobia DOES need to do though is to show a hatred or dislike of gay people. That's it's literal definition. I see none of that from Kerry. As I say, she has actually shown the complete opposite attitude.

Honestly, the term 'homophobe' is not well served by being so over used for tiny issues like this. It cheapens it and robs it of it's power.

[Beso]

Sorry but no amount of mental gymnastics will stop "gay" being used as a negative term being homophobic. Whether that bothers you or not is entirely up to you, that doesn't change the fact it's homophobic. You don't have to be a pick me to feel like you're above "2016 Tumblr".

How on earth do you know that gay has always been used negatively.in every single conversation and scenario across the UK.

The word dont belong to anyone, and if commonly used enough to describe something then it should be accepted., just like when gay meant being joyfully and merry, before it was stolen by the biggest grinches on the planet to mean something else, that nobody apart from the grinches could talk about.


Get over yourself darling.


Kerry's convo was a convo with friends, one where calling a friends idea gay is actually a gentle way of
shutting a stupid idea down by using a term of endearment to do so.

[Abra]

I am not a contrarian just because I disagree with you on this. We all have our own opinions, that's the point of the forum. :shrug:

Black is used all the time to describe bad things... Black magic, black sheep, etc... Using those terms would not be racist.

I am sorry, but yes, it is subjective. No one gets to set the law of the universe on these matters. No one's world view is the cosmic truth.

What homophobia DOES need to do though is to show a hatred or dislike of gay people. That's it's literal definition. I see none of that from Kerry. As I say, she has actually shown the complete opposite attitude.

Honestly, the term 'homophobe' is not well served by being so over used for tiny issues like this. It cheapens it and robs it of it's power.

I was obviously referring to black as in race, not the colour black, and I'm pretty sure you knew that, so I'm not sure why you're resorting to acting obtuse and pretending like you weren't aware of that or that it went over your head.

Your interpretation of what homophobia is or isn't is very "I have a black friend so I can't be racist", you're either incredibly naive or incredibly contrarian.

If homophobia needs to show a dislike of gay people, I would say using "gay" as an adjective to describe something you don't like is a pretty good start. Your argument simply doesn't stack up the way you think it does.

[Abra]

How on earth do you know that gay has always been used negatively.in every single conversation and scenario across the UK.

The word dont belong to anyone, and if commonly used enough to describe something then it should be accepted., just like when gay meant being joyfully and merry, before it was stolen by the biggest grinches on the planet to mean something else, that nobody apart from the grinches could talk about.


Get over yourself darling.


Kerry's convo was a convo with friends, one where calling a friends idea gay is actually a gentle way of
shutting a stupid idea down by using a term of endearment to do so.
Where did I say that "gay has always been used negatively in every single conversation and scenario across the UK"? It would be easier to debate with you if you weren't just making things up and we were actually debating on the same intellectual level. If you really want to act like there's a chance that Kerry's use of the word had no connotations to the internationally recognised modern definition of the word gay you're completely delusional.

"A term of endearment" :joker:

Nothing more out of touch than a straight person trying to educate a gay person on what is or isn't homophobic, when you're actually just imposing your own ignorance. Your masked slipped a bit with that "grinches" comment though, no wonder you're so eager to defend homophobia. Birds of a feather and all :whistle:

[vesavius]

I was obviously referring to black as in race, not the colour black, and I'm pretty sure you knew that, so I'm not sure why you're resorting to acting obtuse and pretending like you weren't aware of that or that it went over your head.

Your interpretation of what homophobia is or isn't is very "I have a black friend so I can't be racist", you're either incredibly naive or incredibly contrarian.


OK, I see that you are going to fall into personal attacks so I will bow out here. It's clear that I disagree with your views I guess and there is nothing really more to say past what I have said.

Have fun.

[Abra]

OK, I see that you are going to fall into personal attacks so I will bow out here. It's clear that I disagree with your views I guess and there is nothing really more to say past what I have said.

Have fun.

There was no personal attacks in that post :conf: You were acting obtuse and I pointed that out, I'm sorry that it bothered you. Your argument fell apart so now you're just saying anything.

[vesavius]

There was no personal attacks in that post :conf: You were acting obtuse and I pointed that out, I'm sorry that it bothered you. Your argument fell apart so now you're just saying anything.

OK

[Beso]

Where did I say that "gay has always been used negatively in every single conversation and scenario across the UK"? It would be easier to debate with you if you weren't just making things up and we were actually debating on the same intellectual level. If you really want to act like there's a chance that Kerry's use of the word had no connotations to the internationally recognised modern definition of the word gay you're completely delusional.

"A term of endearment" :joker:

Nothing more out of touch than a straight person trying to educate a gay person on what is or isn't homophobic, when you're actually just imposing your own ignorance. Your masked slipped a bit with that "grinches" comment though, no wonder you're so eager to defend homophobia. Birds of a feather and all :whistle:



Yes, we can do without personal abuse thank you very much.

[Abra]

Yes, we can do without personal abuse thank you very much.

Then you should probably refrain from referring to gay people as "grinches", unless you are comfortable with being a hypocrite.

[Cherie]

I feel like I know you Abra? have you posted under a different name previously?

[Beso]

Then you should probably refrain from referring to gay people as "grinches", unless you are comfortable with being a hypocrite.

Ok grinchy. Whatever you and your snowflakes say.

[Benjamin]

Her intent was to describe people in a negative way and chose to use the word gay to do that. That’s your context. Using the term gay in a negative way to insult people is homophobic no matter how you want to wrap it up.

That’s your opinion though. I don’t find it homophobic as it wasn’t being used in that context.

[Abra]

I feel like I know you Abra? have you posted under a different name previously?

Not that I recall - who do I remind you of? :laugh2:

[Abra]

Ok grinchy. Whatever you and your snowflakes say.

Sure, I'm the snowflake, not the one crying about the fact that the word gay means something different than it did 100 years ago. Put down the Daily Mail and turn off GB News, Karen

[Beso]

Sure, I'm the snowflake, not the one crying about the fact that the word gay means something different than it did 100 years ago. Put down the Daily Mail and turn off GB News, Karen

Oh, I wasnt crying...

You could never make me do that. I was merely telling a gay person that they stole the word then got all teary because it can get used to describe negative things endearingly... boohoo, poor gay man thinks words belongs to him

[Beso]

And dont presume I'm straight either abra you've been here 5 minutes and know nothing about me.

[Abra]

Oh, I wasnt crying...

You could never make me do that. I was merely telling a gay person that they stole the word then got all teary because it can get used to describe negative things endearingly... boohoo, poor gay man thinks words belongs to him

Keep going love, get out all that rage you have for the gays :hee: Hopefully you'll feel better

[Babayaro.]

It’s a strange one. Would I say Kerry is a homophobe after saying that? No, probably not. Is she incredibly ignorant? Yes. She should know better than to so casually blurt out something like that.

[Beso]

Keep going love, get out all that rage you have for the gays :hee: Hopefully you'll feel better

I'd rather just put you on ignore tbh...are you a lesbian by any chance?

[Redrose]

I love to see heteros downplay homophobia.

Whether you care to admit it, it IS homophobic.

They never do and try to gaslight by claiming it's you that's the problem.

[Garfie]

‘…it's honestly such an outdated phrase that she's literally made herself look like a 14 year old boy in the year 2008. More than anything, she's just a ****ing dumbass for saying that in the Big Brother house of all places, AND in front of a gay housemate.

Can’t agree with this more. It’s strange and immature expression to come out of the mouth of a 40 year old woman, who’s a middle manager for the NHS.

[Garfie]

So the LGBTQXYZ Nazi Police are coming after people's basic freedoms yet again.

The LGBTQ movement is such an authoritarian movement. That's undeniable, it's plain to see right here if this is true. No wonder the older homosexuals don't want anything to do with it.

I don’t think this is about LGBTQ+ as such, but about using language appropriate to the 2020s.

As such, the same sort of arguments would exist, no matter what minority or suppressed group was being insulted.

That’s why there were debates about whether Zak comments were sexist, and why the racist use of the ‘n*****’ word or ‘P***’ word would be offensive today, even though they were freely used on TV in the 1970s.

The reality of the times is that the use of the word ‘gay’ as a way of insulting people is publicly acknowledged as homophobic language, even if the person using it doesn’t recognise or mean it as such, and even if some people watching don’t take offence to it. The fact is, if the word wasn’t perceived as homophobic, BB wouldn’t have felt the need to reprimand Kerry and demand that she issue an apology.

[Garfie]

Oh, I wasnt crying...

You could never make me do that. I was merely telling a gay person that they stole the word then got all teary because it can get used to describe negative things endearingly... boohoo, poor gay man thinks words belongs to him

If you had an understanding of the etymology of language you would know that words are not ‘stolen’, that thousands of words change their meanings over time, and that this is just one of many. An example would be the word ‘pretty’ which was originally used to describe a man, and meant ‘clever’. And the truth is, few people born after 1970 would ever use the word ‘gay’ as a way of saying happy, and it’s use in that way has been practically obsolete for decades.

Your comments towards Abra are now coming across as goading and aimed at insulting or upsetting, rather than making valid points. That doesn’t make for a strong argument on your part. Come on, Parmi - I know from the past you are so much better than that.

[Ammi]

…great posts, Garfie…:love:…also just to add that there would probably be derogatory terms/expressions for those with a limited mobility/medical condition and disease etc that Kerry would find offensive…

…words/expressions do change over time especially when they’ve become and been used and attached negatively…how we refer to travellers for instance is another term that’s changed over time …Kerry’s use with the word was rightfully addressed, I feel…

[vesavius]

Your comments towards Abra are now coming across as goading and aimed at insulting or upsetting, rather than making valid points.

Interesting that you only point out one of the posters here doing that and not the other.

I don’t think this is about LGBTQ+ as such, but about using language appropriate to the 2020s.

Yes, the conversation here is partly about who gets to control the language and decide if it is 'appropriate' or not. I just don't recognise your or others' right to do that.

It is also about context and intent.

And it is also about the use of dangerous and very serious words like 'homophobic' incorrectly in an attempt to damage others in a very real way in their real lives.

Those kinds of terms can result in a person getting publically harassed or assaulted by nutjobs or losing their job, just because they used an outdated term in a way that you don't like. That, to me, is not right.


The reality of the times is that the use of the word ‘gay’ as a way of insulting people is publicly acknowledged as homophobic language. The fact is, if the word wasn’t perceived as transphobic, BB wouldn’t have felt the need to reprimand Kerry and demand that she issue an apology.

The public is not a monolith, we don't all perceive this in the same way and so we do not all publically acknowledge that, no.

'Homophobe' to a lot out here is (rightly in my view) seen as something far more serious than the one off use of an outdated word. It means the active dislike or hatred of gay people, neither of which Kerry has shown.

I am not saying anyone has to like the way that she used the word. All I am saying that going right to the nuclear option of calling her a 'homophobe' (and now, somehow, a 'transphobe') for it is not the way.

How on earth has she shown herself to be 'transphobic'? It's getting nuts.

In my view, the 'phobe' terms are used way too easily and too casually considering their destructive power. It often comes across as a spiteful and malicious attempt to destroy the life of the other person, something often far worse often than the original 'crime'.

Look, if BB thought it was that serious Kelly would have been removed right away, like Emily was when she said the N word. The fact that she wasn't tells us that BB didn't think it was that bad and that an apology would do (even though we know an apology is NEVER enough in these situations for those who choose to be offended).

If BB actually agreed with you that it was actually 'homophobic' she would be gone instead of being warned and forced to apologise simply to appease a loud minority.

[Niamh.]

I don’t think this is about LGBTQ+ as such, but about using language appropriate to the 2020s.

As such, the same sort of arguments would exist, no matter what minority or suppressed group was being insulted.

That’s why there were debates about whether Zak comments were sexist, and why the racist use of the ‘n*****’ word or ‘P***’ word would be offensive today, even though they were freely used on TV in the 1970s.

The reality of the times is that the use of the word ‘gay’ as a way of insulting people is publicly acknowledged as homophobic language, even if the person using it doesn’t recognise or mean it as such, and even if some people watching don’t take offence to it. The fact is, if the word wasn’t perceived as transphobic, BB wouldn’t have felt the need to reprimand Kerry and demand that she issue an apology.

tbf though I do think there's a difference here, it wasn't the words Zak was using that was sexist, it was the ideas he was expressing (in jest or not) that women are second class citizens to men (ie. people don't listen to you because you're a woman, come over here and do what you're told like a good girl etc) Was he joking or does he really think that, I don't know but I can guarantee if you "joked" that white people are more important than black people nobody would be saying "ah but it's just a joke"

[vesavius]

...I can guarantee if you "joked" that white people are more important than black people nobody would be saying "ah but it's just a joke"

I would if it was clearly just a joke. :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I would if it was clearly just a joke. :shrug:

Most people then..

[Garfie]

All I am saying that going right to the nuclear option of calling her a 'homophobe' (and now, somehow, a 'transphobe') for it is not the way.

How on earth has she shown herself to be 'transphobic'? It's getting nuts.
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Apologies for the mistake on my part - I meant to write ‘homophobic’ language, rather than ‘transphobic’ language in my post. I’ve gone back and corrected this.

Please note I have not referred to Kerry as either a homophobe or transphobe - she clearly is not - my point was that this is about the use of language not about the person.

[Redrose]

That's your opinion. I tend to not be so triggered hair upset by the use of words. Context and intent matter to me. :shrug:



To you. Not to me.

There has been nothing that she has said or done that suggests that she has any dislike or hate toward gay people.

Calling people homophobes based on the use of a single unapproved word just feels so 2016 Tumblr. I thought that we had moved past that cringe.

All straight people are the same. I've never met a decent one. Even stopped you from entering my home. Love to make the context argument. You even do it with the f-word because meatballs have the same name.