Are Trish, Henry, Jordan etc a bit snobbish?

[MTVN]

These three in particular definitely think they're intellectually superior to the other housemates and are able to have conversations at a 'higher level'. Trish is always nominating Paul because he's not intelligent enough for her and Jordan sneers at him as well.

Thing is not everyone is conventionally intelligent or naturally engaged in politics and other topics but there's other things that they will know a lot about. Paul seems to have worked hard to turn his life around after a difficult youth and is now succeeding in a competitive sport - maybe Trish could ask him about that. It's ironic for me that she is a real left wing firebrand yet gravitates to the more affluent housemates and is a bit condescending towards people who are non-political. Jordan also mocks Paul and the 'good interaction' they had in the morning but it's not like he's making any effort to mingle with people outside of his comfort zone. Even Yinrun had a bit of a condescending attitude towards Noky imo saying she spends too much time talking about being Miss Universe and the fact she is proud of that.

Whole point of BB is you're forced to live with people from vastly different backgrounds yet some of these people would rather exclusively spend time with the same type of people they'd hang around with all the time in the outside world

[Conzors]

I don’t think it’s snobbish but I guess people are fuelled by conversation and the fact he’s always walking around with his top off, eating like a ‘disgruntled pelican’ and only seems to talk about what it’s like to live in Liverpool I guess that’s just not enough for someone. For me conversation is everything and if I saw Paul every now and again I would be able to have a convo with him but all day everyday living with him? No. I can understand their frustrations.

[fruit_cake]

I can see where you're coming from but when the alternative is Paul and his lewd comments or Olivia's singing, I'd feel much more comfortable with Trish Henry and Jordan personally

[Cherie]

There is definately a snobbish streak running through the show, was quite taken aback by the State School trash or words to that effect covno between Noky and Jordan

[Ammi]

I don’t think it’s snobbish but I guess people are fuelled by conversation and the fact he’s always walking around with his top off, eating like a ‘disgruntled pelican’ and only seems to talk about what it’s like to live in Liverpool I guess that’s just not enough for someone. For me conversation is everything and if I saw Paul every now and again I would be able to have a convo with him but all day everyday living with him? No. I can understand their frustrations.

…yeah, I think that they may be just struggling to find common ground…I don’t think it’s a snobbery thing but … one of a …’we don’t have so much in common…/type thing…btw, I can’t recall who Paul nominated or his reasons…

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have yet to hear anything from Trish that would indicate she has any real depth or knowledge

As for Jordan and Sandi Toksvig they are coming across as a Hinge and Bracket tribute act

[Redrose]

Yinrun is the only one I would save out of those 4. I find the rest of them snobbish and arrogant.

[fruit_cake]

I have yet to hear anything from Trish that would indicate she has any real depth or knowledge

As for Jordan and Sandi Toksvig they are coming across as a Hinge and Bracket tribute act

well you could quite easily say the same for all the rest of the housemates too though

[joeysteele]

I expected worse from some of them as to snobbery but really it isn't at the forefront from what I've observed.
Nothing wrong with snobbery as long as there's compassion and caring attached to it.

I like the connection of Jordan and Henry but I'm pleased to see them both reaching out to others in the house too and mixing more with them.
I'm surprised with myself that if I was in there, Jordan, Henry and Trish would be more the ones If want to be closer to.

The only one ones really I'm not keen on at all.
Are Noky for some reason and Kerry who I feel I'd want to give a really wide berth to.



I'm not sure at all what I think of Paul.
However while he'd annoy me with the content of his conversation.
He hasn't been too offensive.

I still can't form a strong opinion on a few others.
Haven't seen or heard enough from them.

[BBDodge]

Absolutely. No surprise they migrated to the mezzanine where they could be isolated and look down on the rest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well you could quite easily say the same for all the rest of the housemates too though

excuse me?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/kerry-02.png?w=620

Kerry had a well rounded conversation bemoaning the tax system in the UK

[Niamh.]

Nah, I took it to mean they thought he was shallow, and tbh he seems to be so.......

[GoldHeart]

Trish isn't snobby

[Zizu]

These three in particular definitely think they're intellectually superior to the other housemates and are able to have conversations at a 'higher level'. Trish is always nominating Paul because he's not intelligent enough for her and Jordan sneers at him as well.

Thing is not everyone is conventionally intelligent or naturally engaged in politics and other topics but there's other things that they will know a lot about. Paul seems to have worked hard to turn his life around after a difficult youth and is now succeeding in a competitive sport - maybe Trish could ask him about that. It's ironic for me that she is a real left wing firebrand yet gravitates to the more affluent housemates and is a bit condescending towards people who are non-political. Jordan also mocks Paul and the 'good interaction' they had in the morning but it's not like he's making any effort to mingle with people outside of his comfort zone. Even Yinrun had a bit of a condescending attitude towards Noky imo saying she spends too much time talking about being Miss Universe and the fact she is proud of that.

Whole point of BB is you're forced to live with people from vastly different backgrounds yet some of these people would rather exclusively spend time with the same type of people they'd hang around with all the time in the outside world


When you listen to the conversations of the three you mention … and Yinrun and more recently Matty they are at a different level ..

I can’t abide it on the live stream when it focuses on the more rowdy, immature, vulgar people


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[Zizu]

I can see where you're coming from but when the alternative is Paul and his lewd comments or Olivia's singing, I'd feel much more comfortable with Trish Henry and Jordan personally


Exactly


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[Zizu]

Trish isn't snobby


Agreed … the whole idea is preposterous


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Trish isn't snobby

no her nomination of Paul was all perfectly normal

[GoldHeart]

no her nomination of Paul was all perfectly normal

Yes it was :shrug:, the guy is thick as 2 planks.....and can't hold a decent conversation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i mean Henry and Jordan were nominated essentially for being a pair of lazy snobs looking down on people (quite literally at times) so

go figure

[MTVN]

Jordan also made a comment last night which was something like 'they haven't formed the connections and had the conversations that we have'. Well who are you to say that other people's friendships don't hold as much value as the ones that you've formed or that your conversations are somehow more 'meaningful'. It's very patronising to other people

[rusticgal]

I would say Noky is the snobbiest one in there.

[GoldHeart]

I would say Noky is the snobbiest one in there.

I think she's just more middle class , she talked about her upbringing being different I think.

I'm glad she calmed down over the non dairy upset shopping list , she overreacted too quickly. Dylan was there chilling...and he found her non dairy for her lol . But TBF if I had an allergy like her ... I'd be worried aswell. But she should realise BB wouldn't let her go without when it comes to essential food.

[caprimint]

I think they're more so referring to deeper/more personal conversations rather than perhaps small talk, where even if you talk to someone you just don't really seem to be able to get to know them that well. From what we've seen of Paul he just seems really chill and we haven't seen him open up much aside from with the guys on that party night they had. It's possible he's not really interested in talking to them either because he's nominated people from their side as well, so to me it looks like it goes both ways

[Garfie]

I’m working class but haven’t perceived this as a class issue. The difference I see is in the quality and depth of conversations, and in the strength in connections that have developed, as a result.

[LemonJam]

100% agree. From what I remember Jordan has especially made comments about "those people" when speaking to Henry from the beginning of the series.

[Zizu]

I’m working class but haven’t perceived this as a class issue. The difference I see is in the quality and depth of conversations, and in the strength in connections that have developed, as a result.


Exactly !!


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[Zizu]

100% agree. From what I remember Jordan has especially made comments about "those people" when speaking to Henry from the beginning of the series.


Meaning - those horrible people …


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[Garfie]

100% agree. From what I remember Jordan has especially made comments about "those people" when speaking to Henry from the beginning of the series.

Wasn’t that done in jest as part of his Downton persona?
That’s what I thought as he has already revealed that he is the product of a single parent family and he went to a pretty rough comprehensive school.

[Ammi]

…I thought I recalled a comment from another housemate about some group chats being centred around sexual stuff etc…/…quite one dimensional and crude, type thing…it’s a natural thing to gravitate toward conversations and groups who it’s felt more comfortable to take part in…a more expansive conversation….it’s snobbery, it’s something that many of us do…like when we open a thread and don’t have anything to add so we move in elsewhere and something we feel more engaged in….

[Kazanne]

Wasn’t that done in jest as part of his Downton persona?
That’s what I thought as he has already revealed that he is the product of a single parent family and he went to a pretty rough comprehensive school.

Yes,I think it was said in jest,you just have to get his humour,he seems a nice caring person from what I have seen.

[HettyTheHarelip]

These three in particular definitely think they're intellectually superior to the other housemates and are able to have conversations at a 'higher level'. Trish is always nominating Paul because he's not intelligent enough for her and Jordan sneers at him as well.

Thing is not everyone is conventionally intelligent or naturally engaged in politics and other topics but there's other things that they will know a lot about. Paul seems to have worked hard to turn his life around after a difficult youth and is now succeeding in a competitive sport - maybe Trish could ask him about that. It's ironic for me that she is a real left wing firebrand yet gravitates to the more affluent housemates and is a bit condescending towards people who are non-political. Jordan also mocks Paul and the 'good interaction' they had in the morning but it's not like he's making any effort to mingle with people outside of his comfort zone. Even Yinrun had a bit of a condescending attitude towards Noky imo saying she spends too much time talking about being Miss Universe and the fact she is proud of that.

Whole point of BB is you're forced to live with people from vastly difns on my tongue" contests?ferent backgrounds yet some of these people would rather exclusively spend time with the same type of people they'd hang around with all the time in the outside world

What is the alternative to what you decry as Trish and two others displaying their 'superior intellect' gratuitously to the detriment of .other housemates?
Are you suggesting that, in order to conform to the stunted abilities of the others, they should patronize and belittle them by pretending they are confined to the same intellectual and cultural milieu in which several of the house's other residents fester?
Should they seek popularity and acceptance by agreeing to discuss the art of lighting farts with Paul or engage in conversations that, clearly, provide insuffiient stimulus. There is nothing wrong with being bright, and the law of averages suggests that for every bright spark there is a dying flame,, as so ably demonstrated by this BB community.
It is far more honest and conducive to a healthy atmosphere to behave exactly like the person you are, rather than to adopt the guise of an intellectual -also-ran in order to fit in. It is patronizing and dishonest and it demands that you compromise your values and your integrity .

P.S. You provide a fine example of toxic anti-intellectualism

[MTVN]

What is the alternative to what you decry as Trish and two others displaying their 'superior intellect' gratuitously to the detriment of .other housemates?
Are you suggesting that, in order to conform to the stunted abilities of the others, they should patronize and belittle them by pretending they are confined to the same intellectual and cultural milieu in which several of the house's other residents fester?
Should they seek popularity and acceptance by agreeing to discuss the art of lighting farts with Paul or engage in conversations that, clearly, provide insuffiient stimulus. There is nothing wrong with being bright, and the law of averages suggests that for every bright spark there is a dying flame,, as so ably demonstrated by this BB community.
It is far more honest and conducive to a healthy atmosphere to behave exactly like the person you are, rather than to adopt the guise of an intellectual -also-ran in order to fit in. It is patronizing and dishonest and it demands that you compromise your values and your integrity .

P.S. You provide a fine example of toxic anti-intellectualism

Thank you for the compliment :hee:

Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB. If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that rather than just sneering at them for being 'confined' to a lower 'intellectual and cultural milieu'. People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.

[Lostie!]

I'm a council estate boy and I'd be snobbish about Paul.

[Ammi]

What is the alternative to what you decry as Trish and two others displaying their 'superior intellect' gratuitously to the detriment of .other housemates?
Are you suggesting that, in order to conform to the stunted abilities of the others, they should patronize and belittle them by pretending they are confined to the same intellectual and cultural milieu in which several of the house's other residents fester?
Should they seek popularity and acceptance by agreeing to discuss the art of lighting farts with Paul or engage in conversations that, clearly, provide insuffiient stimulus. There is nothing wrong with being bright, and the law of averages suggests that for every bright spark there is a dying flame,, as so ably demonstrated by this BB community.
It is far more honest and conducive to a healthy atmosphere to behave exactly like the person you are, rather than to adopt the guise of an intellectual -also-ran in order to fit in. It is patronizing and dishonest and it demands that you compromise your values and your integrity .

P.S. You provide a fine example of toxic anti-intellectualism

Thank you for the compliment :hee:

Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB. If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that rather than just sneering at them for being 'confined' to a lower 'intellectual and cultural milieu'. People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.

…filling the quota for TiBB staff toxic anti-intellectualism minorities ….tick….

[MTVN]

…filling the quota for TiBB staff toxic anti-intellectualism minorities ….tick….

The only reason James keeps me around tbh

[Babayaro.]

They are coming across that way a wee bit tbf yeah

[Benjamin]

I'm a council estate boy and I'd be snobbish about Paul.

Trish was correct about Paul. Okay to look at but no substance to him.

[Zizu]

Trish was correct about Paul. Okay to look at but no substance to him.


Half right … definitely no substance


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[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Trish likes to give advice but does she take it?

[GoldHeart]

Trish likes to give advice but does she take it?

I think she would from her friends, she's not going to take advice from Kerry .

[Benjamin]

I think she would from her friends, she's not going to take advice from Kerry .

Would any sane person?

[Crimson Dynamo]

trish likes to give advice but does she take it?

she is a very unattractive person

a bully and delusions of grandeur

and someone tell her that greasy red wig is disgusting

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

she is a very unattractive person

a bully and delusions of grandeur

and someone tell her that greasy red wig is disgusting

No need to attack looks. You haven't changed one bit in 84 years, LT.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Would any sane person?

Nope...except those that are paid to.

[GoldHeart]

Would any sane person?

Yeah I think a chocolate teapot would give better advice :laugh: .

[HettyTheHarelip]

Thank you for the compliment :hee:

Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB. If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that rather than just sneering at them for being 'confined' to a lower 'intellectual and cultural milieu'. People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.

""Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB"". Are you for real?? BB thrives on confrontation, encourages it, arranges it. Read the messages and listen to the audience in the in the show that follows BB. It is a key component for attracting the key BB demographic.

""If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that.......""
Good grief, is THAT what you think BB wants and what attracts the key BB audience to the show? Love and peace, man!! Spliffs on the house. The show would fold in the second week;
Look how devious, dishonest, dissembling so many of the housemates are and how much attention is lavished on the miscreants. They were selected as housemates BECAUSE they are unpricipled and none-too-bright creatures of the night.
I am not sneering at them, I am merely telling it as it is.
Mind you, if I felt like sneering - and looking at Paul, Hallie, Olivia and the rotten Kerrie - I would not feel morally compromised in doing so.

""People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.""
What, pray tell, does Paul have to offer. A repertoire of fart-centric anecdotes
and space for rent in his cerebellum? What does Hallie have to offer apart from infantile histrionics and a self-serving approach to inter-personal relationships - she's a user of people and grows a cancer where her social conscience should be.

Your .suggestion that "people are rarely the two-dimensional characters they are made out to be". tells me nothing.. If you wish to make a point, you have to support it. Equally banal is the claim that "" everyone has something different to offer"", as it is made to look undernourished when the answer is "yes, and in the case of Hallie the something else that's on offer is malice, perhaps delusion, certainly an inexplicably massive ego". But then you declined to define the norm against which the "something else" you refer to is to be measured. A substantial omission.

Your post is undermined by a lack of clarity and consequently by a failure to support your contentions.

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[MTVN]

""Being able to mix with a diverse set of people is a fine trait to have and the whole point of BB"". Are you for real?? BB thrives on confrontation, encourages it, arranges it. Read the messages and listen to the audience in the in the show that follows BB. It is a key component for attracting the key BB demographic.

""If you find yourself unable to have a conversation with someone then it's always worth considering how you can change that.......""
Good grief, is THAT what you think BB wants and what attracts the key BB audience to the show? Love and peace, man!! Spliffs on the house. The show would fold in the second week;
Look how devious, dishonest, dissembling so many of the housemates are and how much attention is lavished on the miscreants. They were selected as housemates BECAUSE they are unpricipled and none-too-bright creatures of the night.
I am not sneering at them, I am merely telling it as it is.
Mind you, if I felt like sneering - and looking at Paul, Hallie, Olivia and the rotten Kerrie - I would not feel morally compromised in doing so.

""People are rarely the two dimensional characters that they are made out to be and everyone has something different to offer.""
What, pray tell, does Paul have to offer. A repertoire of fart-centric anecdotes
and space for rent in his cerebellum? What does Hallie have to offer apart from infantile histrionics and a self-serving approach to inter-personal relationships - she's a user of people and grows a cancer where her social conscience should be.

Your .suggestion that "people are rarely the two-dimensional characters they are made out to be". tells me nothing.. If you wish to make a point, you have to support it. Equally banal is the claim that "" everyone has something different to offer"", as it is made to look undernourished when the answer is "yes, and in the case of Hallie the something else that's on offer is malice, perhaps delusion, certainly an inexplicably massive ego". But then you declined to define the norm against which the "something else" you refer to is to be measured. A substantial omission.

Your post is undermined by a lack of clarity and consequently by a failure to support your contentions.

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I disagree, conflict and confrontation should be only part of the show. There is very little confrontation currently anyway.

Spliffs on the house is the main part of your post which made sense to me and certainly seems like a good idea.

Both Hallie and Paul have lived vastly different lives to Jordan and Henry - that is what they have to offer

Your final paragraph reads just like the teacher's comments on my A-level history essay :sad: