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arista
19-10-2023, 06:07 PM
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Naughty Hallie
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Naughty Olivia
Tonight
9PM -10PM ITV2 Big Brother
then 10PM -11:05PM Late & Live show.
Benjamin
19-10-2023, 06:08 PM
You’ll have to do without my wit and charm tonight. I’m at a Ludovico Einaudi concert.
You’ll have to do without my wit and charm tonight. I’m at a Ludovico Einaudi concert.
Enjoy !!!!!!
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Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 07:17 PM
You’ll have to do without my wit and charm tonight. I’m at a Ludovico Einaudi concert.
trust you to spend Thursday night with a big foreign pianist
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 07:18 PM
Poor Olivia was set up by ...hallie
Benjamin
19-10-2023, 07:19 PM
trust you to spend Thursday night with a big foreign pianist
:laugh:
trust you to spend Thursday night with a big foreign pianist
Is Jenkin going ?
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Tonight's meal is. Onion bhaji's. Saag aloo. Chicken bhuna with chips. And a few poppadoms.
My toilet will take the full weight in the morning.
I only ever get an Indian when I'm not at work the next day. Nothing like sitting on your own throne.
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:00 PM
Good evening! :wavey:
…things are getting serious…/…evening all…:love:..
Good evening! :wavey:
…yo, yo Vanessa…:love:..
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:02 PM
He only got 4. Hardly the most hated housemate.
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:02 PM
Hallie and Olivia in jail then.
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:03 PM
Hallie and Olivia in jail then.
Do they have a jail there?:laugh:
Hallie and Olivia in jail then.
…I was thinking a few days ago that we might get the jail back…I’d love to see tree of temptation as well…
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:04 PM
Do they have a jail there?:laugh:
That’s what it looked like, someone sat behind bars in the rain.
Mind you I could be wrong.
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:05 PM
…I was thinking a few days ago that we might get the jail back…I’d love to see tree of temptation as well…
Now you are talking, brilliant idea Ammi. X
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:05 PM
the 3 freaks cant even converse with Zac
…I like that Zak is thinking if he is at fault in some way and not considering others enough…/…I like that self reflection…
arista
19-10-2023, 08:06 PM
Get Henry Out
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:07 PM
Get Henry Out
Get voting honey.
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:07 PM
…I like that Zak is thinking if he is at fault in some way and not considering others enough…/…I like that self reflection…
He’s not who they make him out to be and I hate that he’s gonna go cause of them :(
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:07 PM
Good work out Paul, more exercise less bitching
unlike ..oh look its Henry and Jordan..
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:08 PM
Henry can’t go a day without bitching about Zak, shut up
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:08 PM
Trish again pretends she is some type of intellectual.
she cant even pronounce either
"evar"
AnnieK
19-10-2023, 08:09 PM
Evening....:douf:
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 08:10 PM
Hello, I’m watching but I’m a bit behind at the moment I’ve just got home but I should be able to catch up
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:11 PM
:xyxwave:Evening....:douf:
He’s not who they make him out to be and I hate that he’s gonna go cause of them :(
…Ben made a point today that I hadn’t thought of…that Olivia and Hallie saying that Zak was a game player might stop people from voting him …so he still might stay, Adam…plus he has lots of followers on Instagram…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:11 PM
Hello, I’m watching but I’m a bit behind at the moment I’ve just got home but I should be able to catch up
You haven't missed much. They're just chatting.
Evening....:douf:
…good evening ma’am…:love:…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:13 PM
Give them a proper punishment. Nothing too easy.
Hello, I’m watching but I’m a bit behind at the moment I’ve just got home but I should be able to catch up
…we’ve slowed it all down for you to catch up and your dinner’s in the oven dear…
…Dylan and Yinrun…:love:…
AnnieK
19-10-2023, 08:14 PM
:xyxwave:
…good evening ma’am…:love:…
:love:
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:15 PM
…Ben made a point today that I hadn’t thought of…that Olivia and Hallie saying that Zak was a game player might stop people from voting him …so he still might stay, Adam…plus he has lots of followers on Instagram…
I hope so, starting to lose hope seeing so many people saying they’re saving Henry because of Jordan or Yinrun, like those two are my faves but they’ll be fine if he goes, Zak shouldn’t be sent home to please Kezza and her demon spawn.
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:17 PM
I hope so, starting to lose hope seeing so many people saying they’re saving Henry because of Jordan or Yinrun, like those two are my faves but they’ll be fine if he goes, Zak shouldn’t be sent home to please Kezza and her demon spawn.
I just don't like Zac.
I'm sure he's a decent guy, but I really like Henry.
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:17 PM
dont mean to be mean to Yinrun but luv you are a bit boring so maybe that is why?
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 08:17 PM
You haven't missed much. They're just chatting.
Oh I hope they don’t scam me again like they did yesterday :laugh:
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 08:17 PM
…we’ve slowed it all down for you to catch up and your dinner’s in the oven dear…
:laugh:
arista
19-10-2023, 08:17 PM
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Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:17 PM
Aw don't worry Yinrun. Just be yourself :love:
I hope so, starting to lose hope seeing so many people saying they’re saving Henry because of Jordan or Yinrun, like those two are my faves but they’ll be fine if he goes, Zak shouldn’t be sent home to please Kezza and her demon spawn.
…it’ll be interesting to see how they both edit in the next few days, I think that’s a key as well…
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:18 PM
I would want to talk to you Yinrun :love:
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:19 PM
Aw don't worry Yinrun. Just be yourself :love:
there is not a lot going on there ness
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:19 PM
It's the language barrier. But it will get easier.
…Yinrun, poor thing is just inconsolable atm…:sad:…
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:19 PM
Trish is not your friend luv
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:20 PM
neither are the ghastly henry or Jordan
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:20 PM
I felt a similar way when my English was not that good.
But it's good now.
I would want to talk to you Yinrun :love:
…that’s if we could stop hugging her enough to be able to talk…
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:21 PM
Let’s hope Yinrun likes the royals otherwise Henry will tell her to leave the country…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:22 PM
Really liking Matty today. He's talking a lot of sense.
…Matty’s a pretty sweet guy…:love:…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:23 PM
…Matty’s a pretty sweet guy…:love:…
It's good to see more of him.
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:24 PM
Kerry taking it so seriously. She's sweating :laugh:
..oh, Kerry was involved as well…
It's good to see more of him.
..yeah, I’m sure there’s a lot more of him in live feed but I don’t see that..
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:25 PM
Jail! Yes! It's back! :cheer2::dance:
Jordan.
19-10-2023, 08:25 PM
the public shaming :hehe:
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:25 PM
Jail in the garden? That’s it?!
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:26 PM
Prison uniforms :joker:
…oh and they laughed at being sent to Jail…fun punishment being given…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:26 PM
Harry and Trish laughing :joker:
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:27 PM
Not enough of a punishment.
They don't seem to really care.
Jordan.
19-10-2023, 08:27 PM
Crap punishment, just gives them more airtime. Discussion of nominations should result in a ban from the next round.
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:27 PM
Clock her Zak :clap1:
Jail in the garden? That’s it?!
…and they’re thinking it’s fun…especially as they’re together as well…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:27 PM
This is going to kick off. You watch :shocked:
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:28 PM
Could they please also be told they should keep quiet too while in jail.
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:28 PM
Poor Olivia, she does not deserve this
Northern Monkey
19-10-2023, 08:29 PM
Fair play BB though, not for jail, that’s a crap punishment. But, fair play for doing it in front of the other hm’s. The dynamic could change now.
Crap punishment, just gives them more airtime. Discussion of nominations should result in a ban from the next round.
…yeah, the whole full attention of airtime given …that’ll show ‘em, they’ll think on next time…
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:29 PM
dont drop the soap
Northern Monkey
19-10-2023, 08:30 PM
This is going to kick off. You watch :shocked: :fc:
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:31 PM
The rain will soon sort them out.
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 08:31 PM
I think it’s a crap punishment they should’ve been put up for eviction as well. I do feel like BB is dropping the ball with a lot of things this series.
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:32 PM
No! Stop the singing :bored:
Kazanne
19-10-2023, 08:33 PM
They should have put them both up for eviction next week
…17 minutes in jail and it’s not going well…
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:34 PM
They should have put them both up for eviction next week
Dead right Kazanne
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:35 PM
They should have put them both up for eviction next week
Yep, that would be a bonus for us.
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:35 PM
Shut up Hallie, it’s very calculated and you know exactly what you’re doing
They should have put them both up for eviction next week
…I think the housemates will put them up so it feels like a sealed fate…and I think the ladies know that…
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:36 PM
…I think the housemates will put them up so it feels like a sealed fate…and I think the ladies know that…
I hope they do Ammi.
Kate!
19-10-2023, 08:37 PM
Hallie wants to leave
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:37 PM
No one sympathises with you hun
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:37 PM
Hallie wants to leave
We can only hope.
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:37 PM
Jesus christ grow up, they should have been in Cork yesterday
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:37 PM
Oooooh, now the games begin.
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:38 PM
Hallie wants to leave
Good, don’t let the door hit you on the way out :wavey:
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:38 PM
let Olivia out - that is fair
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:39 PM
Send the twits home.
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:39 PM
matty is a spiteful pig
Why would you drama lovers want rid of a great sh1t-stirer like Zak over a bore like Henry?
Do you want to see Zak sh1t-stiring the pot or Henry laying down
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:39 PM
Omg Tom's hair :shocked:
Kate!
19-10-2023, 08:40 PM
matty is a spiteful pig
Not liking him at all
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:40 PM
Why would you drama lovers want rid of a great ****-stirer like Zak over a bore like Henry?
Do you want to see Zak ****-stiring the pot or Henry laying down
Exactly but he’s friends with Jordan so obviously the POC has to go :bored:
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:40 PM
Oh quiet down Kerry..
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:40 PM
Kerry distancing herself :laugh:
…oh, Kerry turning on Hallie very quickly…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:41 PM
You don't want to sleep next to her? Wtf
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:41 PM
Kerry hanging Hallie out to dry :joker:
Kate!
19-10-2023, 08:41 PM
Kerry distancing herself :laugh:
She's milking it. So she won't be up next week. Very calculated.
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 08:41 PM
Kerry trying her best to bail them out. Don’t buy it Zak.
Kerry distancing herself :laugh:
…very, very quickly…:laugh:..
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:42 PM
Poor Olivia, she seems to be really struggling.
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:42 PM
…oh, Kerry turning on Hallie very quickly…
False she's being
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:42 PM
Kerry showing her true colours.
Two faced twit
Kerry trying her best to bail them out. Don’t buy it Zak.
…I think that he did buy it, though…
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:42 PM
kerry
thrown
has
hallie
bus
a
under
can you make a sentence?
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:43 PM
That was light, they got a bit wet? Boo hoo
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:43 PM
Poor Olivia, she seems to be really struggling.
Shouldn’t break the rules then, should she?
False she's being
…disassociating herself from someone that might not be popular with the public…?…
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:43 PM
I can’t believe that tears are falling, over s8tting in the garden.
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:44 PM
Shouldn’t break the rules then, should she?
Exactly right.
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:44 PM
And no it’s not a valid punishment, that would be putting you up for eviction in Henry and Zak’s place.
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:45 PM
Hallie is pathetic.
That was light, they got a bit wet? Boo hoo
…that’ll be part 1, I think…part 2 will come from the other housemates when they’re both nominated next week and up for eviction…
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:45 PM
Hallie doesn't seem sorry at all!
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:45 PM
Olivia actually didn't do anything, it was Hallie writing the messages
Kate!
19-10-2023, 08:45 PM
Kerry the two faced cow, hugging them.
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:45 PM
Olivia could catch her death
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:45 PM
…that’ll be part 1, I think…part 2 will come from the other housemates when they’re both nominated next week and up for eviction…
I hope so
Kate!
19-10-2023, 08:46 PM
At least Olivia said sorry. Hallie didn't.
Jemal
19-10-2023, 08:46 PM
Hallie is a nasty piece of work
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:46 PM
What? There’s a BB game for mobile now? :joker:
neither are the ghastly henry or Jordan
Guess you don’t watch the live feed
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Classic bb..
This is classic. Matty needs to shut up though. Boring old fart
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:47 PM
What? There’s a BB game for mobile now? :joker:
Yes. I've downloaded it
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:48 PM
Yes. I've downloaded it
Is it any good?
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:48 PM
Is it any good?
Haven't played it yet :laugh:
I'm predicting a COVID outbreak in the BB house.
They'll be masked up by the show is over.
Northern Monkey
19-10-2023, 08:48 PM
Kerry’s got more faces than Big Ben and i wonder if Paul will begin distancing from them.
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:49 PM
Hallie is a nasty piece of work
+1
Kazanne
19-10-2023, 08:49 PM
Spoilt brats,both acting up for camera time, and Kerry is so false .
…and they’re thinking it’s fun…especially as they’re together as well…
Now is the time to tell them that their real punishment is that they’re up for eviction TOMORROW
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Olivia actually didn't do anything, it was Hallie writing the messages
…yeah, that’s true actually and she did seem genuinely sorry…
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 08:50 PM
Spoilt brats,both acting up for camera time, and Kerry is so false .
I totally agree again Kazanne.
That's exactly how they came across.
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:51 PM
Didn't Kerry say she didn't notice him eating loads though?
Oliver_W
19-10-2023, 08:51 PM
Second rule break? What was the first?
Fair play BB though, not for jail, that’s a crap punishment. But, fair play for doing it in front of the other hm’s. The dynamic could change now.
Really ??
It’s just given them the extra screen time they both crave above all else
“ look at meeeeee “
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Now is the time to tell them that their real punishment is that they’re up for eviction TOMORROW
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…sadly they won’t, 2023 BB just isn’t as evil as we’ve grown to love…but hopefully, in time…
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:52 PM
Didn't Kerry say she didn't notice him eating loads though?
No she said he did eat a lot, they showed the clip before and Zak was the one who said he didn’t notice it.
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:52 PM
I like Chanelles jumper
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:52 PM
Loving Matty at the minute.
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
Loving Matty at the minute.
Same.
Jordan.
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
Matty asking about food straight after that conversation :laugh:
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
:joker:Matty asking about food straight after that conversation :laugh:
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
No one’s buying it Hallie
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
Matty asking about food straight after that conversation :laugh:
Yh I noticed that too :laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
I like Chanelles jumper
yes!
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
No she said he did eat a lot, they showed the clip before and Zak was the one who said he didn’t notice it.I thought she said i didn't notice either after Zak said that [emoji23]
Loving Matty at the minute.
…yeah, me too…he seems like a very sweet guy…
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:53 PM
You did originate it though? You and Kerry
Matty asking about food straight after that conversation :laugh:
…:laugh:…
Kate!
19-10-2023, 08:54 PM
I like Chanelles jumper
She wears some lovely things. :lovedup:
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:55 PM
Zac Hallie aint no role model :facepalm:
have a real conversation ffs
stop lying to people
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:55 PM
I reckon Henry is toast tomorrow
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:55 PM
I do believe that she didn't say anything about Noky
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:56 PM
noky is so entitled and superior, nasty nasty nasty
I like Chanelles jumper
…isn’t it annoying when someone says that, as you have…and then the jumper isnt shown again so I can’t see it…
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 08:57 PM
I reckon Henry is toast tomorrow
get the toaster ready
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:57 PM
Oh look Tom is coming to life
..Yinrun and Roger…:laugh:…
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 08:57 PM
…isn’t it annoying when someone says that, as you have…and then the jumper isnt shown again so I can’t see it…Sorry [emoji20]
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 08:58 PM
Yinrun’s face when Jordan said that the rat “could’ve run over you” whilst she was sleeping :laugh:
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 08:58 PM
Zac is in the doghouse :laugh:
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 08:58 PM
You’re one to call someone bitchy, Kerry.
Sorry [emoji20]
…awww no it’s not you…it’s that BB didn’t show me…it was just all a tease…
smudgie
19-10-2023, 08:59 PM
Tough kak Kerry.
Jemal
19-10-2023, 09:00 PM
Kerry might be one of the worst housemates I’ve ever seen
Dogeatdog
19-10-2023, 09:00 PM
I think Matty has come across as quite decent this episode.
…oh this is all leading up to Kerry being seen as well…next nominations are going to be ….EXPLOSIVE…
Niamh.
19-10-2023, 09:01 PM
Oh it's all spiced up now
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 09:01 PM
I think Matty has come across as quite decent this episode.
said noone, ever
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 09:01 PM
Matty clocking Kerry! Mean girls!:clap1:
Kazanne
19-10-2023, 09:02 PM
I'm liking Matty, good for him confronting Kerry
Crimson Dynamo
19-10-2023, 09:03 PM
matty - a little click
OMFG its cleeeeeeeekk
you poodle face moron
:oh:
Zak is a far better Big Brother housemate than Henry.
Do the right thing voters. Don't leave yourself with regrets.
I do like Yinrun but she needs some instruction on brushing teeth ..
Why is she so messy ??
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joeysteele
19-10-2023, 09:04 PM
Good one Matty.
the 3 freaks cant even converse with Zac
Halle , Kerry and Paul ?
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Wtf is Matty wearing !?
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Kate!
19-10-2023, 09:09 PM
matty - a little click
OMFG its cleeeeeeeekk
you poodle face moron
:oh:
Great description
Completely out of condition, pigeon chested Paul acting like a pro fitness trainer
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Kate!
19-10-2023, 09:14 PM
Completely out of condition, pigeon chested Paul acting like a pro fitness trainer
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He gives me the creeps
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 09:18 PM
Hailie punished again. I just can't! :joker::joker:
Jemal
19-10-2023, 09:18 PM
Another awful punishment
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 09:20 PM
Another awful punishment
Disappointment after disappointment
joeysteele
19-10-2023, 09:20 PM
Really weak punishment in my view.
For 2 rule breaks in only days.
Jemal
19-10-2023, 09:22 PM
Disappointment after disappointment
2 rule breaks in 24 hours should put you up for eviction. Disappointed but not surprised
fitz2k2
19-10-2023, 09:29 PM
What was the second rule break?
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 09:29 PM
What was the second rule break?
Talking about nominations.
She hasn't learnt her lesson :joker:
thesheriff443
19-10-2023, 09:31 PM
What was the second rule break?
Just Halle’s conversation with Zak and noky, her reaping she thought Matty nominated her which is against the rules
Liam-
19-10-2023, 09:39 PM
Kind of living for Zak doing some stirring because he was pissed off
Why are the producers letting Halle verbally abuse them AGAIN !!
Incidentally this is how many teenagers ( especially girls) talk to teachers these days ..
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Liam-
19-10-2023, 09:46 PM
Might actually have to vote for Henry to go, Zak is serving this episode
rusticgal
19-10-2023, 09:47 PM
Might actually have to vote for Henry to go, Zak is serving this episode
I like Henry…but I think NOW Zak adds more value.
Adamw92
19-10-2023, 09:48 PM
Might actually have to vote for Henry to go, Zak is serving this episode
Do it :clap1: Zak is the far more interesting housemate
Vanessa
19-10-2023, 09:50 PM
They put toothpaste on the toast. :joker:
Liam-
19-10-2023, 09:50 PM
Kerry being utterly bemused at people actually standing up to her is so irritating
rusticgal
19-10-2023, 09:53 PM
Kerry being utterly bemused at people actually standing up to her is so irritating
Kerry pissed off that Zak was bitching to Matty…but then admits she was bitching about Matty to Zak.
You couldn’t make it up…:laugh:
Liam-
19-10-2023, 09:55 PM
Kerry pissed off that Zak was bitching to Matty…but then admits she was bitching about Matty to Zak.
You couldn’t make it up…:laugh:
She’s foul! The way she dismissed Marty’s feelings when he was trying to put across the possible sensitivities of peoples histories with food, evil woman
Oliver_W
19-10-2023, 10:03 PM
Might actually have to vote for Henry to go, Zak is serving this episode
I like Henry…but I think NOW Zak adds more value.
I was thinking the same!
I like the unit of which Henry is a member, especially compared to Kerry and her flying monkeys, but Zac was really showing his value this episode.
GoldHeart
20-10-2023, 01:00 AM
Ok I've not watched back tonight's hl yet ,I'm reading what's happened. Sounds like Zak has been good tonight,so I've voted for Henry ,hope Zak doesn't act a tool again.
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